Lotus Evora GT vs Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 - Head to Head Review!

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  • čas přidán 24. 06. 2023
  • The Lotus Evora GT and Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 are virtually identical in power, weight, drivetrain layout, seating position, and purity of purpose. Both are now discontinued. Both feature 6 speed manuals. So how should you spend your $100K+ on the perfect driver's car?
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Komentáře • 163

  • @FreshYoungDude
    @FreshYoungDude Před rokem +118

    Really tough to choose between these two with my imaginary money.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +20

      You and me both

    • @thetruthspeaker1978
      @thetruthspeaker1978 Před rokem +4

      Dude , my dream "ex-"wife left me for my best imaginary friend 😢😢.....I'm sorry to put that on you brother, I've just been pretending to go through some rough shit lately and your comment almost triggered me 😂

    • @Bncxx1275
      @Bncxx1275 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Zygrene you forget Alpine

  • @geraldupright7713
    @geraldupright7713 Před rokem +35

    Honestly too many other CZcams car reviewers never speak about “steering feel” vs “steering precision”…imo steering feel is the #1 priority in a sports car and then precision. I applaud you for always bringing this up with every car you review.

    • @rightminddrive
      @rightminddrive Před rokem +2

      SAME! Nail on the head with this comment.

    • @samueldowney2806
      @samueldowney2806 Před rokem +3

      That's really because true steering feel, that which gives detailed sensations of the loss of grip at the front wheels when pushing too hard in corner has been almost entirely absent from cars for the last 20+ years, so the poor reviewers would have to go through every review saying "nope, no real steering feel" so eventually they just stopped doing it. These are two of the most driver focused sports cars from the two manufacturers whose cars traditionally always had the best steering feel of all (more recently apparently you can add McLaren to that list) and one has great feel, and the other, adequate or ok. It's always worth mentioning in any review and I like how Zygrene does it, and you know you can trust his opinions because he is visibly pushing the cars hard enough for it to be relevant, but the reality is that cars with decent steering feel are very very rare.

  • @augustortiz
    @augustortiz Před rokem +10

    Gotta disagree on the sound bit when it comes to the Evora, that V6 sounds amazing.. especially with the whine from the S/C.

  • @Promit
    @Promit Před rokem +30

    I bought an Evora GT just a week ago in fact. For better or worse 718 GT4 prices have stayed very high, and I was able to get into the Lotus for considerably less money than a used GT4. Maybe more than $30k cheaper, depending on where you look. Of course the monster lurking in the background is the C8 Corvette, but it's a very different car to drive.

    • @FATmenDRIVEtrucks
      @FATmenDRIVEtrucks Před rokem

      when you can get a C8Z for sticker?

    • @aconfusedazn
      @aconfusedazn Před rokem

      Great honest review. As a GT4 owner the engine sold me. That said, with a numeric shift and cables, you’ll get that mechanical feel that the Evora has.

  • @Rfk1966
    @Rfk1966 Před rokem +15

    The Lotus seems like today’s version of the NSX

    • @Lifeof728
      @Lifeof728 Před rokem +1

      This

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +5

      It has many of the same characteristics!

  • @IIVVX
    @IIVVX Před rokem +3

    Having owned a GT4 I’d agree that clinical is an apt description. The car was simply not exciting in any way and I didn’t keep it long. If you’re considering one do yourself a favor and drive it before you buy.

  • @aggrontube2345
    @aggrontube2345 Před rokem +6

    how does this guy make the exact videos I want every time. Thats crazy

  • @martinriedel1911
    @martinriedel1911 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Think you where in touring-mode for your test-drive of the Evora.
    That gives you 6.800 limit and much less exhaust sound under 3.000 rpm.
    Here in Europe we dont have the 3rd! Cat wich gives much more engine sound. A normal thing to remove in the us I think.

  • @Datsun510zen
    @Datsun510zen Před rokem +19

    This is my favorite part of Sundays, thanks Fenton. I love that Lotus assumes their customers know how to drive a real sports car, and makes far less effort to electronically compensate for driver error. Obviously a Porsche GT4 with these advantages is faster on a track, but there's an intrinsic authenticity with Lotus providing the driver with the right amount of tactile analog feedback necessary for pushing their cars to the limit instead of synthetically rounding off the edges to go faster. Personally, for a mid engine 2 seater track purposed sports car, I gravitate toward a spartan race oriented interior. Even though it would likely get more street time than track, comfort and luxury appointments are kind of like gilding the lily IMO. It's very gratifying to hear that in the pursuit of performance, Lotus hasn't abandoned what makes their cars so special.

  • @vincentgao8839
    @vincentgao8839 Před rokem

    The best handling explanation I have even listened. It makes me feel I actually drive both two cars.

  • @HLinHD
    @HLinHD Před rokem +10

    As a gt4 owner, it can't be overstated how much of a difference the muffler and over axle pipes makes... the stock sound is pretty lethargic. I think OAP is enough to make the engine sound great and I'd probably say the GT4 sounds worse than the Evora stock. I think lwbs makes a big difference as well. Great video I was hoping to see my car on your channel at some point!

    • @tonymcflattie2450
      @tonymcflattie2450 Před rokem

      I will take them both! I have 981 gt4

    • @JStuartofficial
      @JStuartofficial Před rokem +1

      I have a 2023 718 GT4 and the over axle pipes are night and day difference. Its actually pretty crazy how muted the gt4 is with the particulate filters.

    • @joe718gt4
      @joe718gt4 Před rokem

      Went JCR Superlight for mine

    • @DC5Brandon
      @DC5Brandon Před rokem

      I'm not surprised the new Caymans are very similar to the 987 in sound. Porsche builds their exhaust to be very compliant. I didn't think the sport exhaust option was "rowdy" enough. I got sport headers and exhaust from Fabspeed on my 987 and it now sounds like a sports car should, but isn't too loud.

    • @jcelliott7377
      @jcelliott7377 Před 6 měsíci

      Lol was gonna say! That Evora stock has 3 mufflers, mine has a Larini valved exhaust that sounds like a supercar when it's opened up!

  • @gary7moore
    @gary7moore Před rokem +1

    Another great video, thanks!! I own a Lotus GT & yes in MANY ways it is the inferior car with the lack of tech, engine, interior quality/radio/etc….. For me many of those were actually positives with the Lotus. Another positive for me is they are rare, I believe the Evora’s entire production run was just over 6,000 vehicles world wide, i would think the porsche would be many times more? Yes the engine is as many state out of a Camry when one could also state Lexus! The blipping of the throttle after 16k miles I still can’t do it consistently, quite frustrating but not a deal breaker for me. With the aftermarket exh on the GT4 you tested hopefully you get to hear a evora someday with just a 3rd cat delete, really wakes the sound up! To me two areas Lotus messed up was we didn’t get the gt430 front end + rear wing & also they didn’t allow us to get Ohlins suspension on the cars over here. I believe base price was around $10k more for the GT4 over the GT & you can spend significantly more on Porsche options. Personally, zero interest in the C8’s, they are everywhere! It would be nice to get your opinion on how both of these cars compare to the new Supra, like the one in the video!

    • @DiZdain
      @DiZdain Před rokem +1

      As a recent owner of an Evora GT (6 months and 2.5k miles) your thoughts are also my own. I was cross-shopping with a 981 GT4 and R35 GTR, but there's just something about the Evora that captures pure driving excitement unlike any car i've experienced before. The people that I've met that also own a Lotus are a great bunch of folks that are passionate about driving, which is also a big positive in my book. Only around 450 Evora GTs were made with a manual, so I think you're absolutely right it's much more rare. It's just a great car with some comical quirks that I love (you mentioned some of them). The GT4 both 981 and 982's are fantastic and I would never fault someone from buying one, but my money is on the Lotus.

  • @kineticU
    @kineticU Před rokem +1

    Nice comparison. For us regular Joes who don’t track, either car would probably be just perfect for the street. Wish I could own both!

  • @CubanDre
    @CubanDre Před rokem +5

    Hell yeah. Finally a GT4 video! Been waiting for this for years! Hope the GT4 shows up a few more times. Maybe a LWBS version. Loved hearing your comments. Exactly why I would lean Porsche. Still think your boxster/spider video had you more impressed. Hopefully you will get to experience one at the track. Having said that. Evora vents looks like they came from a salvaged 370z. I first came to your channel from your old Elise! And now your channel is huge! Keep up the great content

    • @CubanDre
      @CubanDre Před rokem +1

      @patrickbai4708 light weight bucket seats. The carbon bucket seats

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +3

      I just reviewed a PDK 718 GT4 with OEM buckets today! Video will be out in a few weeks.

    • @CubanDre
      @CubanDre Před rokem +1

      @@Zygrene damn. Weeks! I would love a ZCT on the process involved in doing the live takes to the editing then release. Would be cool to hear from the ZCT regulars as well!

  • @jamiea8318
    @jamiea8318 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Believe it or not I was cross shopping a 991.2 GT3 before resale prices went nuts. Drove the Evora the same week and was sold on it. It's not as straight line fast stock but for now half the price and not much work, these are track beasts. More than enough for twisty roads.

  • @samueldowney2806
    @samueldowney2806 Před rokem

    Great review and video. Regarding the two cars, it sounds like it's the same as it ever was with Lotus and Porsche. Both great, and likely comes down to personal preference of what you prefer in a sports car. Lovely cars.
    But imagine a manual Boxster Spyder with a Lotus steering and chassis....ooooh.

    • @clu4u
      @clu4u Před rokem +1

      987 Spyder have the hydraulic assist steering, my 981 Spyder is very good with the steering rack from the 911Turbo but not as lively as my old 987 S.

  • @matteoscuratti8829
    @matteoscuratti8829 Před rokem +1

    Mate do you prefer GTS 4.0 or GT4??? Great videos like usually bro ☺️

  • @27Ctrojans
    @27Ctrojans Před rokem +5

    Choosing between these 2, you’re definitely doing it right. Both are amazing cars. Personally, Id take home the lotus as thats where my emotions are and that spec is amazing. Great review, you deserve more subs

    • @clu4u
      @clu4u Před rokem

      My favorite growing up was the Lotus Elan, a virtual go cart!

  • @Ncyachtklub
    @Ncyachtklub Před rokem +2

    GOO MUIZ!!!!! Muiz’s GT4 is one helluva car

  • @BTC_Cassidy
    @BTC_Cassidy Před rokem +1

    My boy Muiz!

  • @Unicornpirate
    @Unicornpirate Před rokem +5

    These two are like the modern day NSX. Mid engined, 6 cylinder, RWD, 6MT, LSD equipped sport cars.
    Also I think that 6700rpm rev limit you experienced in the Evora GT echoes reviews of what I've seen of the Emira. Some say the lower redline is a letdown on an excellent sports car and that has the same engine/powertrain as the Evora GT. That has a redline of 6700rpm.

    • @IS300Spartan
      @IS300Spartan Před rokem +1

      The 2GR in these is going through a tuning “renaissance” right now, and people are pushing them to 9500 RPMs and 400+ whp in NA form. The Evora/Emira should have a very bright future ahead in the engine department.

    • @Unicornpirate
      @Unicornpirate Před rokem +1

      @@IS300Spartan Source on a 2GR Toyota engine doing 400whp NA revving to 9500rpm?

    • @grad0n
      @grad0n Před rokem +1

      Frankenstein Motorworks has been tuning the 2GR in the mr2.

    • @indianapwn3s
      @indianapwn3s Před rokem +2

      Rev limit in the Evora GT is 6800rpm in normal mode and 7000 rpm in all other modes. Never drive in normal mode.

    • @LawrenceTimme
      @LawrenceTimme Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@IS300Spartanyeah let's make the lotus even more unreliable by over revving the shit out of it. 😂😂😂 iq200 move.

  • @d.nakamura9579
    @d.nakamura9579 Před rokem +2

    Matt Farah over at the smoking tire said the same thing about how rev matching/throttle blipping is really tricky with the Evora.

    • @OVER5TEER
      @OVER5TEER Před rokem

      Yep in a 20 min track session I couldn't get a single blip right. Very annoying. But I hear you get used to it.

    • @GTC4cam
      @GTC4cam Před rokem

      I own a GT. The trick is to roll onto the pedal. It’s not ideal, ideally you’d just kick the pedal like in most cars, but you do get used to it.

  • @sunnyvalentino
    @sunnyvalentino Před rokem +4

    I have had the pleasure of driving the Evora GT for a whole day in the canyons and city. It was by far the best drivers car Ive ever driven. The communication as Zygrene mentions was a different level. The opposite of clinical.
    I'd love to pick up an Emira one day as it's made with Geely cash (bigger budget), fixes the interior, Volvo reliable switch gear and improved robot (vs handmade) build quality.
    C8 would be sooo close and honestly would be my choice even without a manual but the steering is precise but lifeless. Chevy has exceeded most of these manufacturers with the C8 but its just missing those final two things (steering feel and manual).

    • @Sideways_Singh
      @Sideways_Singh Před rokem +3

      The c8 is a completely different car it doesnt compete with the gt4 or emira, it weighs over 800lb more and is alot bigger aswell, its more of a cheaper alternative to a aventador, or other big supercars.

    • @indianapwn3s
      @indianapwn3s Před rokem +1

      There aren't many more robots building the Emira than the Evora. Biggest change is AGVs move the cars around the assembly line rather than being pushed by people. Emira is still very hand made.

    • @clu4u
      @clu4u Před rokem

      Also the C8 is just a lil too big, even the 911 is big.

    • @Sideways_Singh
      @Sideways_Singh Před rokem

      @@clu4u the 911 isnt really big, its slightly bigger then a cayman, but it has a smaller wheelbase so it feels small still plus the rear wheel steer makes it feel even smaller.

  • @EverydayEmira
    @EverydayEmira Před 3 měsíci

    Really happy with my Emira, but still more than a bit jealous of the carbon decklid on the Evora GT.

  • @hasonlavajunk9774
    @hasonlavajunk9774 Před rokem +3

    Tell the owner to GET OUT!
    Or put a passenger in the Lotus also.
    Makes a difference.

  • @SonoCars
    @SonoCars Před rokem

    Hope you get your hands on the Emira and can compare it between the gt4/Evora.

  • @simonlo7595
    @simonlo7595 Před měsícem

    Need to do a Lotus Emira V6 vs Porsche 718 GT4 manual now! Similar power and weight. Emira gets more points on looks though

  • @Clue4488_
    @Clue4488_ Před rokem

    Keep up the good reviews @Zygrene

  • @Dave-bx5fo
    @Dave-bx5fo Před rokem

    Agree with your opinions, and of course it's easy to rev match with auto blip in the GT4. You can't left foot brake and accelerate at the same time in the Lotus, if you do it will bump out of race/sport mode and go back to default Tour mode, in Tour the rev limit is 6800rpm in race its 7200 rpm.

    • @jcelliott7377
      @jcelliott7377 Před 6 měsíci

      Ah was wondering why he said the rev limiter was so low, I was like WTF is he talking about 😂

    • @jcelliott7377
      @jcelliott7377 Před 6 měsíci

      GRP has an auto-blip add on for the Lotus for about $500

  • @guitarnut5754
    @guitarnut5754 Před 3 měsíci

    I own the 2021 Lotus and love it BUT, having had a number of Porsches I can say that this reviewer is on target regarding the steering precision. So much road feedback. Really fun. But, at around 100-110 the front end lifts a bit which can be a little unnerving whereas I have never had that issue with Porsches. The prices on these has crashed - now commonly available at around $70K At that price it is a steal. Fun car for sure. But the sound he likes in the Porsche is aftermarket so...

  • @VK6AB-
    @VK6AB- Před rokem +5

    The issue Lotus face at the end of the day for both the EVORA and EMIRA (largely the same car with different interior and body shell) is they have a Camry engine and very ordinary gear box that are carry overs from the Exige. Moreover, put them round a track and you will find the GT4 blows the doors off both and will still be going in 20 years time.

    • @indianapwn3s
      @indianapwn3s Před rokem +1

      Emira is an evolution of the Evora, it is not simply a rebody. What the Lotus has going for it is it uses a Toyota engine and gearbox... that is not a minus. The 2GR is a robust engine that costs less to maintain than a Porsche flat 6 and if you blow it up, there were literally millions of this engine made. It will be easy to keep it running. Porsche GT4 may be faster on the track, but it's not going to drive circles around an Evora. GT4 is more focused on track driving than the Evora, so it's not surprising. Also the Evora was the first lotus to use the 2GR, the V6 Exiges came out a few years later.

    • @VK6AB-
      @VK6AB- Před rokem

      @@indianapwn3s If I'm paying 100k for a car (1) it has to have a quality engine (2) and it has to have a quality gearbox - these are two items that are missing from every Lotus for the last 20 years. The reality is is not even close between a GT4 or an Emira, the 4.0L GTS is better than both as a pure road going sports car. Its virtually impossible to get your hands on a new NA Porsche, again for good reason e.g. quality, precision and performance. "An evolution of the Evora" - same engine, same gear box, same wheel base, and a Geely "quality" interior. No thanks.

    • @indianapwn3s
      @indianapwn3s Před rokem

      @VK6AB- there have been chassis and suspension geometry changes on the Emira from the Evora. The supercharged 2GR is quality. It might not have the same charisma as the Porsche flat 6, but it's going to also be less problematic than a Porsche flat 6. Porsche has battled engine fire issues on the 991 GT3, they had IMS bearing issues for way too long before Porsche fixed it. That does not scream quality. The gearbox in the Evora/Emira is fine, it's about the best you will get from a longitudinal cable actuated box. It isn't as easy as a Porsche box but it's not sloppy, and has tons of positive engagement. It's nothing like the Lotus shifters pre 2015. Porsche was a struggling sports car maker that almost went bankrupt before building SUVs to save the company. They are now a status/lifestyle brand. Of course they are going to have more demand than a niche low volume sports car maker.

    • @VK6AB-
      @VK6AB- Před rokem

      @@indianapwn3s Its not quality, it was a cost saving measure and is a cheap repurposed blown Camry engine (they couldn't turbo charge the Camry unit because of space and heat), for a sports car that is a horrible combination, and then there is the gear box - its genuinely bad. Drive one hard round a track - its a mess and easy to miss changes (and they - specifically the linkages - just get worse with age). The Porsche engines you are talking about are both long gone, the problems were addressed and they built one of the best motorsports derived engines (widely acknowledged) which has been in the 991.2 and 992 generation GT cars for about 7 years (and Cup Car, R and RSR), the IMS bearing issue was dealt with for the 997.2 generation (and 981) so about 4 generations of car ago. In terms of the gear box, the Porsche unit was developed for Le mans in the 90s and derivatives of it are found in all modern Porsche sports cars - all gear boxes are PDK, the manual being the same gear box with stick and manually actuated clutch - the PDK gear box again is widely acknowledged as the best dual clutch transmission in wide production use. Porsche are a status lifestyle brand ok that sounds like you have an issue with marketing - so I can't really answer that (1) it was the Boxster/Cayman that saved Porsche before the Cayenne. (2) having done 5 seasons of Carrera Cup and owning a Cayman GTS, 991.2 GT3 RS, 720S with incoming 296 GTB I can tell you through ownership, competition and touring they build fabulous customer race cars and exceptional sports cars - they are probably the gold standard - Lotus aren't even close, they are barely a niche Sports Car manufacturer who keep getting bailed out because their product doesn't sell, mainly because they aren't that good (The Evora wasn't a good seller). Brits buy them because they're cheap - virtually no one else buys them because they are vastly over priced relative to performance, engineering, reliability and fit and finish. In terms of Porsche sports cars, close to 70% that have been built, are still on the road today. Moreover if you buy a GT division car you can drive it for as long as you like and then sell it for more than you bought it for (in a lot of cases). PS never hit a wall in a Lotus or anything for that matter. If you do and survive you will find you will have difficulty repairing the car - unless there are local sources for the clam shells (the moulds for the body parts) - this may not be the case for the Emira but its certainly the case for Exige and Elise. If you want to see an honest review of the EMIRA look up Jethro Bovingdons review (he was a writer for EVO magazine and is a pretty decent pedaler to).

    • @indianapwn3s
      @indianapwn3s Před rokem

      @VK6AB- just because Lotus deciding to use the Toyota 2GR instead of developing their own engine or using a different engine doesn't mean the 2GR isn't a quality engine. It is a worry free, well engineered, low maintenance engine. The original supercharged engine in the Evora S was supercharged by Toyota for use in Toyota cars in Australia. It was not turbo charged because it was a Toyota developed engine. The newer Evoras with the Edelbrock superchargers don't really use much more boost than what Toyota developed, just with added benefit of denser and cooler inlet air temperatures thanks to the charge cooler. People have turbocharged Evoras, heat is an issue, but it can be done. But using an OEM supercharger setup from Toyota is simpler than developing a turbo charger. I own an Evora 400. I've driven Porsches. The revised gear linkage is fine. You just need to be deliberate with your shifts, it's a very old school feel.

  • @gt3rs587
    @gt3rs587 Před rokem

    Hey Zygrene,
    Great content as allways.
    What do u think about a comparison video between the gt4 and your brz? I understand that they r different cars in the matter of engine power, price etc but it is very interesting to compare them as track cars by steering, handling etc
    Thank's

  • @tonymcflattie2450
    @tonymcflattie2450 Před rokem

    I like the auto blipper on the gt4, but the hydraulic steering of evora

  • @Docinaplane
    @Docinaplane Před 9 měsíci

    Are you in California? If not, do a third Cat delete and the sound will be better. Add a cold air intake and you will hear a better supercharger whine. I have an Evora GT. I also did a dyno tune. Mine is 504bph and a torque increase to match. 0-60 3.5.

  • @tanmantacomama8851
    @tanmantacomama8851 Před rokem

    Is the model you tested the sports or touring suspension package?

  • @giovannig4369
    @giovannig4369 Před rokem

    @Zygrene what about the Evora vs a Cayman GTS 4.0, they are closely matched in price and maybe the 4.0 has a more playful character than the gt4. Thanks!

  • @mdev8846
    @mdev8846 Před rokem +1

    Good test. You are right Lotus power steering is amazing !. It is very difficult to found them in modern cars. Bravo Lotus !.

  • @DC5Brandon
    @DC5Brandon Před rokem

    I'm curious why you thought the Evora wasn't as confident on track as you hoped. I just took my Cayman to an autocross, but it was skipping/hopping in the tight corners. While I couldn't check the coilover compression, I did notice the rebound was not right. Fixed that and it mostly fixed the hopping issue and helped me drop nearly 2 sec off my time. All that to say: wonder how the alignment was that day, or the condition/PSI of the tires?

  • @racsowang
    @racsowang Před rokem

    While most modern Porsche products are easy to get use to, there is a learning curve with Evora GT. Both are great cars.

  • @Miguel-Migs
    @Miguel-Migs Před rokem +1

    The rev match issue (constancy) with the Evora is fixed by replacing the paper air filter with a high flow air filter. 😉

    • @jamesey76
      @jamesey76 Před rokem

      Does it take 5 hours to replace it? I almost bought one, but I was smart enough to watch a CZcams video to see the install. Never thought an air filter change would be so time consuming 😂

    • @indianapwn3s
      @indianapwn3s Před rokem

      ​@jamesey76 it's tricky to get the airbox out but it's only an hour job.

    • @jamesey76
      @jamesey76 Před rokem +1

      @@indianapwn3s Did you have to remove the wheel? Stand inside the trunk?

    • @indianapwn3s
      @indianapwn3s Před rokem

      ​@jamesey76 you have to at least jack the car up to get to the access panel. I did not stand in the trunk.

  • @stephenhester7354
    @stephenhester7354 Před 3 měsíci

    Anyone know of a fix/mitigant to the throttle response issue he mentioned? He isn’t the only one. Great brake abs steering feel without predictable throttle response is tough. I may still buy one, but just curious. GT4 suspension is way too busy for me. Prefer the Caymen R I use as a track car.

  • @kekethetoad
    @kekethetoad Před rokem

    Have you compared Evora GT to your NSX?

  • @OVER5TEER
    @OVER5TEER Před rokem

    FYI race mode in Evora does not defeat ESC. It's still very intrusive IMO.

    • @martinriedel1911
      @martinriedel1911 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Hit the race button once more, and ESC is all off 🎉

  • @tbone8839
    @tbone8839 Před 7 měsíci

    I'd rather have the Evora GT. I'm about aesthetics. And when it comes to two cars pretty equally matched everywhere else, gonna choose the one more pleasing to my eyes.

  • @gentianmedia3814
    @gentianmedia3814 Před rokem

    Thanks for shooting my car man!

  • @victoryang9115
    @victoryang9115 Před rokem +1

    How about an elise V.S. the Gt4? Which one is better to drive?

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +1

      They're very different experiences. Elise is far more raw, visceral, and unforgiving. The GT4 gives me a sense of satisfaction that's in part due to the cockpit design and build quality.

  • @borinvlogs
    @borinvlogs Před rokem +1

    GT4 RS is on another planet in terms of sound. "regular" GT4 sounds so muted.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem

      Yeah, even 991.2 GT3 engine makes the 718 GT4 engine sound a bit muted. I need to review a 4RS ASAP.

  • @Desolaire
    @Desolaire Před 6 měsíci

    to blip Evora GT it needs to have the 3rd cat deleted like the euro spec.

  • @1Solace
    @1Solace Před rokem

    My dream cars ❤

  • @jrms60r
    @jrms60r Před rokem

    You could have compared it with the 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 I believe it’s closer in price to the Lotus.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +1

      That would have been fun too, but 718 GT4 vs Evora GT is the one I wanted to cross off the list first.

  • @moneyshift8190
    @moneyshift8190 Před rokem +1

    What did you think about the C8 compared to these two? If you had to rank them based on performance.

    • @JC-lk3oy
      @JC-lk3oy Před rokem +3

      Really depends on what you want. The Vette is a much heavier and bigger car but has more power. It also has adjustable suspension that can make it super comfy to daily. That said, the Evora wins for steering feel hands down. If you want something that is all about the drive and nothing else it's hard to beat. The downside of the Evora is the inconsistent build quality and general cheap feel compared to the others. The GT4 is easily the best build quality. I love the new Vette, but porsche is still the precision build master. The interior is fantastic, and the steering feel is somewhere between the lotus and the Vette. All three are fantastic though. You really need to test drive all three to figure out what speaks to you.

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +8

      Hard to say without a back to back comparison, but the C8 might be easier to drive fast in the canyons due to its immense torque and DCT. GT4 and Evora GT feel more precise, and they make you work for the performance. They're all damn good cars.

    • @Datsun510zen
      @Datsun510zen Před rokem +6

      In terms of GT performance, the C8 Z06 is fastest around the Nurburgring of all 3 by 18 sec. Not to mention it's MSRP new is $106K. That said, it's really a matter of personal taste. It may not be the fastest, but I prefer the flavor of the Lotus more than the others

    • @joeracer302
      @joeracer302 Před rokem

      @@Datsun510zen try to find a C8 Z06 at MSRP and not marked up $50k, goood luck! Completely pointless to mention MSRP without specifying ADM these days. Sure, you’ll next say, “there are dealers that sell at MSRP,” and sure, they do, and they’re happy to take your deposit $, along with literally hundreds of other people, put that $ in a bank, and let you wait a few years while they deliver a couple of cars a month. Right now, today, you can guy buy an Evora for cash, and the only other car cost comparison is what you would pay today if you go pay cash. Again, good luck going to buy anything halfway desirable at a dealership and not pay ADM on top of MSRP.

  • @sportsdesigner
    @sportsdesigner Před rokem

    Fenton showing off the guns today eh

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +1

      I'm a shell of my former self

  • @Moneyversac
    @Moneyversac Před 3 měsíci

    Funny I took the lotus Evora 400 instead of the GT4 because I like the Design more, the sound (EU version no 3d cat) the GT4 sounded like absolute shit and I was really baffled how shit it sounds compared to the evora. And also overal I got much more for my money since the 400 was much cheaper. Carbon tailgate I sourced afterwards as well as some other weight saving options. But yeah the GT4 overal felt more precise and "clinical" as you said it's a very good description 😂
    In the end the evora just made me feel like a little kid again and I love to drive it as much as I can. The heel toe is really not an issue anymore but you are right in the first few weeks I had to get used to it since you really do have that little delay in the response but it's like muscle memory at some point and you won't even notice it anymore.
    Gotta say I would take the evora again for sure, really an amazing car.
    Great review and keep going 🔥

  • @WasiTechie
    @WasiTechie Před rokem

    Is this mines road in Livermore?!

  • @michaelharrison1093
    @michaelharrison1093 Před rokem

    So how much better are these two cars than the GR86/BRZ?

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +1

      Lol where do I even start... The only pros for the GR86/BRZ are their approachable limits, how eager they are to go sideways, and interior space.

  • @bobjones2660
    @bobjones2660 Před 7 měsíci

    Not sure it's fair to compare the engine sound when the Porsche has an aftermarket exhaust and the lotus still has the 3rd cat installed.

  • @RastegarNariman
    @RastegarNariman Před rokem

    Do you think is it worth it to buy an evora 2013 for 40k?

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +1

      It's been a while since I've driven an earlier model year Evora. I believe the interior ergonomics and quality are even more compromised, but at 40k I wouldn't mind if the core driving dynamics are the same as the GT.

  • @LawrenceTimme
    @LawrenceTimme Před 10 měsíci

    I'd take the Evora every single time.

  • @joeracer302
    @joeracer302 Před rokem +1

    Matt Farah once said the Evora GT was the modern NSX: mid engine, N/A V6, lightweight, hydraulic rack, manual transmission, mechanical experience. As an NSX owner, thoughts?

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem +3

      Yup, it's about as close as any modern car has gotten to capturing the feel of the original NSX.

  • @TheCarlosguerra1976
    @TheCarlosguerra1976 Před rokem +1

    Dont know if you pressed the sport button on the evora!!!

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem

      Forgot if I did during the video, but I've tried it with Sport on vs off and the throttle response is inconsistent in both.

  • @unexplainedwearenotalone3537

    hey man i like exige 360 cup top car light faster with automatic speed is very fast of that evora and plus exige 360 cup u can tuned can be beast vs any supercars beat them anytime check one from greece killer machine everything move executed on the road. by toxic tuned garage from greece most faster lotus.

  • @robg112
    @robg112 Před rokem

    I feel availability and how many dealers will actually service the Lotus. I feel you might be force to DIY the lotus more where as the Porsche has quite a few qualified mechanics and service options and locations.

  • @MadelnMachines
    @MadelnMachines Před rokem

    I'm all about the emotion. Clinical is boring. I'm not sure why you'd pay more for an Evora than an Emira though.

    • @LawrenceTimme
      @LawrenceTimme Před 10 měsíci

      The emira has stupid screens everywhere not real gauges.

  • @pfan12000
    @pfan12000 Před rokem

    So what you are saying Objectively the GT4 wins but subjectively you prefer the Evora.

  • @andrewlangley9507
    @andrewlangley9507 Před 4 měsíci

    The Evora federal cars need a decat. A third cat was added to appease California. It ruined the sound. Once removed, this car sounds just as good as any 6 figure car on the road.
    Can confirm heal toe is an issue. Near as I can tell, the engine has a highly varied response depending on RPM. At the bottom of the rev range, the throttle is too sluggish and requires a very elongated blip. At the top, a slight touch of the pedal will send the rpms zinging.
    This has no effect on the overall track experience once you are used to it.
    The bigger problem for this car is snap oversteer. If you’re going to drive this car fast, you’re going to have to deal with this.
    I’ve had two instructors drive my car. I pre-warned both of them and both had the ass end come around.
    To drive the Lotus fast on track requires that you rethink your approach to corners. This car will not push but any brake application or release of the throttle while cornering can catch you out.
    At this point, I won’t track the car in race mode. Sport is what you need if you want to be driving it home. Nanny’s are not intrusive and it will keep you out of trouble.

  • @coldvaper
    @coldvaper Před rokem

    Man you barely had to shift the gt4, not sure thats a good thing...

  • @MW-uy3np
    @MW-uy3np Před 5 měsíci

    If the lotus was / is reliable I would take that over the gt4 due to the poor gearing

  • @RedBatRacing
    @RedBatRacing Před rokem

    That's a lot of carbon fibre if it weighs a ton!

  • @MrSchn3ll
    @MrSchn3ll Před rokem +1

    Lots
    Of
    Trouble
    Usually
    Serious
    GT4, no question.

  • @SSRstudio
    @SSRstudio Před rokem

    owning Evora 400 what GT essentially is with some mods and more strict exhaust (400 sound more epic) after owning lot of different Porsches and others sportscars - it the most emotional mechanic car you can still buy new in Emira form - Engine in 400 especiall sound just epic - GT4 sounds or new GT3 is very dry sound engine and when it idle any P 6cyl sound brocken
    BUT most importantly EVORA beats any car in term of comfort and confidence over any bad road - there is literally zero analog possible from stock car
    plus Evora is way better than any cayman or 911 for road trips because of normal car sound insulation - not this stupid P thing where you will not here yourself on a highway in Europe ))))
    despite reliability - its also night and day - and ownership costs are incomparable
    so in result - P is better for boring track work - its true - Evora is way better for trips and mountains
    and emotinally - all seen on the video )))

    • @SSRstudio
      @SSRstudio Před rokem

      and yes Evora is a bit oldschool feeling - own now the new Alpine A110 which is way more modern feeling in all aspects

  • @matthewmiller4806
    @matthewmiller4806 Před rokem

    Cars to buy with that money.... Superformance MKIII hands down

  • @mrporsche4236
    @mrporsche4236 Před rokem

    Driven most porsches and the lotus. Sorry porsche not even close. The lotus is a trillion times more fun. And much more reliable

  • @PT-hv8mn
    @PT-hv8mn Před 4 měsíci

    The engine is not a highlight of the Evora 😅

  • @burteddy
    @burteddy Před rokem +1

    Of course the Porsche felt like something you had driven before… a Porsche

  • @streef88
    @streef88 Před 7 měsíci

    Lotus vs ANY Porsche will always win if only on looks.... The 911 is the most boring design, flogged for so many years....

  • @rfactorgo39
    @rfactorgo39 Před rokem +5

    Porsche is better car overall, engine is amazing. Besides steering feel, Evora has nothing on Porsche.

    • @rcDoom
      @rcDoom Před rokem +7

      Steering feel is essential and a Toyota engine is reliable

    • @johnmitchell2269
      @johnmitchell2269 Před rokem +10

      Evora GT has more torque, double wishbone front suspension, normal length gears and imo sounds better.

    • @TheCarlosguerra1976
      @TheCarlosguerra1976 Před rokem +2

      Looks, steering, and sound for some...

    • @clu4u
      @clu4u Před rokem +6

      @@rcDoomWould you choose a Toyota engine over a Porsche engine? Gawd no, 981 Spyder here 😂

    • @Razyre
      @Razyre Před rokem +6

      ​@@clu4u If I wanted it to last, yeah. Seems like basically every Porsche designed engine has some critical flaw that's going to cost you a bomb down the road if you long term their cars. The GT3 RS 4.0 engine is awesome but certainly the 991.1 cars have had a lot of issues with their engines and there are rumblings that even the .2 isn't safe from the same issues.
      The Toyota engine isn't the most characterful thing in the world, but I'll bet it keeps going, and going, and going.

  • @jamesey76
    @jamesey76 Před rokem

    To summarize, The Evora is more thrilling to drive, but difficult to perfect heel-toe and the Cayman will win at the track.
    When Elon programs auto-pilot for the track, most Porsche owners will trade in for Teslas 😂

  • @philsalley3278
    @philsalley3278 Před rokem

    Buy a loaded C8.

  • @videogazer801
    @videogazer801 Před rokem

    The new BMW M2 is the far better value with less hype. It just looks like an unfinished Lego, that is all

    • @Zygrene
      @Zygrene  Před rokem

      "Unfinished Lego" is so accurate lol

    • @grad0n
      @grad0n Před rokem

      Just get the previous m2cs

    • @LawrenceTimme
      @LawrenceTimme Před 10 měsíci

      The M2 is so fat and heavy it's slower than a honda civic type R.

    • @videogazer801
      @videogazer801 Před 10 měsíci

      @@LawrenceTimme
      The M2 is still the much better car. It’s not an economic daily with a lot of horsepower like a Civic

  • @reonbarrett5546
    @reonbarrett5546 Před rokem

    Come on gt4 engine \sorry stop being a nob
    dont think your can drive
    but thankyou for the review
    stay with your Lotus \ but gt4 will last for days
    he cant drive lol

  • @BigTwat
    @BigTwat Před 4 měsíci

    The Evora needs a better exhaust.. My stock Exige 390 Final edition (with retro fitted exhaust valve bypass switch) sounds absolutely incredible by comparison. I used to own a 718 Spyder with an aftermarket exhaust bypass switch and it was nowhere near the sound of my exige. Not even close... Both are excellent. Great and very balanced review!

  • @Cichlid_Visuals
    @Cichlid_Visuals Před rokem +2

    camry powered supercar lmao