Can you CARRY as Lifeweaver?
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Could you carry your games on Lifeweaver is the wrong question to ask in the first place. The question that you should be asking yourself is - Will grinding Lifeweaver teach me about the fundamentals of the game?
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bro that's not awkward, that's confidence
Nah bro, Awkward turned into Straightforward ☠☠
💀😭
straightforward?
lmfaooooooooooooooooo😭😭😭
@@check9094awkward ≠ straightforward
Evil Awkward be like: “Healing, healing, healing! They go back I don’t go forward! They go forward I don’t go back! I’m not off-angling, I’m not using cover!”
"I lost that fight? That was unironically my team's fault guys"
Uneducational Gm to Unranked (20% win rate)
You're describing bronze rank very very well.
"They are countering me. There's nothing I can do"
hiding and healing
hiding and healing
Awkward went from saving a team fight to killing his own teammates as LW.
tbh I think whether you like LW depends on your preference. If you enjoy playing passive, he can be very fun, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I'm not too good at aiming and stuff but with LW i can at least keep healing those who can actually carry, it's pretty fun and not nearly as stressful as any other hero except Mercy
Maybe its only me, but LW can apply decent pressure. Its not uncommon for me to go for a 1v1 on high ground. If theres an ash, soldier, or widow on high ground alone, im going in. Im plat support and LW is my go to. Dude is honestly so good overall
@@ItzSpritz I agree, I get a lot of value just from spamming chokes and big targets, and he does well in close quarters
I like how he says "it doesn't teach you cooldown uses" but everytime he died to Winston was because he didn't manage his cooldown on his dash/petal lol
case in point
What he should have said was
“It doesn’t let you spam cooldown uses”
He preaches in his videos on other characters to pretty much use your abilities on cooldown. Petal is not one, nor is grip. Therefore he doesn’t mesh well.
My younger brother plays life weaver, I think he’s in masters or high diamond, but he does damage and takes one vs ones, uses petal to escape the fight. The character has really high health and decent damage at close range
@Fultonian-ve1ib1.5 seconds is a lifetime in this game, not impressive
He's not saying it's the greatest damage dealer, just that it can deal damages@@KlayGoods123
Would love to see unranked to GM with Lucio- wanna see how awkward plays him- edit: bro finally made the GM to unranked with Lucio!!!!
Same
He doesn't. He said on stream it's the only hero he isn't confident in. Might make for interesting content though as we could watch the process of learning.
@@Fesititiwe can only hope for a learning stream 😢😢😢
I need this
YES PLEASE!
As a lifeweaver main, your performance was poor. And some people who say lifeweaver is trash has never properly played him or seen a really good lifeweaver. If he were to have a lot more damage potential, people would just complain he’s a DPS character like most support heroes. He is amazing with the right team comp of course, especially on escort mode on defense I find him most useful. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t have potential or is automatically a throw pick because the purpose of his kit is to save people and cancel ults. Heal botting is not a bad thing for him. If he were to have faster healing done his team combined with more damage output, he would be unkillable, especially how his ult can already sustain a team fight. And even now people are saying he’s a slippery hero. He would be definitely a lot more broken if he were to do a lot more damage like any other over tuned support.
well every other support is overturned, i don’t see why lifeweaver shouldn’t be able to do damage either especially since his kit doesn’t have any offensive properties. simple fix:make his weapon swap as fluid as moira
Played lifeweaver on illios and i swear i saved my team from boops around 20 times with the grip. That was peak lifeweaver play for me hearing my teammate cheer from being saved from the infamous hole
If you in anything above silver, players know not to get close to the hole
@@KlayGoods123why be negative ? he made good plays good on him
@KlayGoods123 nah bs, they die to boobs and pushes in all ranks. Just a question of timing and position.
My Peak LW (I main him btw) was Countering 3 Orisa Ults by using petal to make her go up (Btw U can also use petal to remove mines , to counter rein shatter while the animation is happening , Move Zaryas Black hole up , Put Petal in the middle of doom ult , U can sorta Move Mauga ult up but there doesn’t seem to be a use for that atm , If Dvas ult is close to u And u have no where either use petal to move up or Petal the dva ult itself for it to be countered) , U can counter most ults with Pull aswell , So I personally think hes a cc hero sorta , Also I love tree especially when U use it to block their easy and shorter spawns so they take longer or the spot they go to for exiting during overtime
Most players can't interpret a scoreboard intelligently. They see high heal totals on a support like LW, and think they are doing well. They don't realize the high heal totals are because 1 less player doing damage on your team allows the enemy to have a comparatively higher damage output, boosting your team's healing stats. It's meaningless healing that just prolongs an inevitable defeat the majority of the time.
If you heal your dps while they are 1v1 or in a team fight you enable them even more . Supports job is to help the dps win and do their job , not primarily to kill and frag
@@patricklodge1576 if you are healing a DPS in a 1v1, it is a 2v1, not 1v1. Having a support that could heal while simultaneously assisting in damage is even better in this scenario.
Y'definitely don't win by saving your own life, y'win by stopping the red team with damage.
@@patricklodge1576okay but why not play Kiri/bap/zen/ana/Moira/brig where you can do both at the same time? Surely that's even better than just healing
@@Bioboy590 In that specific 2v1 scenario, yes, I'd agree a Bap or Illari would give a slight edge, but the big picture isn't so black and white. Lifeweaver is balanced around low damage pressure and high heals and utility. His utility is arguably the strongest of the support category when used properly; Samito just completed an UR2GM on him and agrees he's actually broken, and you're essentially a puppetmaster for the entire battlefield. No other support can deny the enemy's ults as consistently as LW is able to. High DPS supports are valuable in their own right, but when the enemy makes a smart coordinated play with ults, even with consistent damage usually that's where things get really rocky. LW is best equipped of all the supports to stabilize these sorts of scenarios, even with a "heal"/"utility"-focused kit.
"im distracting them" i love this lol, i feel like mercy has a hidden ability to bait enemies into wasting their time looking at her. like in valk, jiggle cover behind the enemy team and see if anyone is dumb enough to 180 and commit to looking at me while my team is aoe boosted shooting at them. Gotta tease them a bit to trick them into looking at me instead of a more vulnerable teammate
very true especially when you go any hitscan
Mercy is the ultimate bait at times. This is one of the reasons I like playing her. It's like playing a different game 😂
I too look for flying skirts
It’s insanely easy to bait as mercy because she flys across the map like a jet while soaking up all the damage and completely outhealing it by doing nothing
Samito has been playing lifeweaver in gm and completely dominating. He heal bots, get's tree ridiculously quick, uses it strategically, and says life grip is a low key VERY impactful ability. He agrees the design is stupid and not all that fun. But he says it has hard carry capability.
Kinda hard to compare him to the average player though. Samito is a guy that knows the ins and outs of this game. Has thousands upon thousands of hours of experience. Has played so many games that he can literally narrate what's about to happen in the team fight in a calm and cohesive manner while in the middle of the fight himself. He is in the top 01% of the playerbase that can do this.
@@DaLoserisYou your point being?
@@ThePaintedHope Awkward's motto is that the anyone can become gm by playing the game right, but not just anyone can play like Samito does.
4 Step LW plan:
1. Engage
2. Keep the Distance
3. Off Angle
4. Disengage with Petal Platform
Why do I have so much fun playing as Lifeweaver? It's so weird but I just love his kit. And saving a teammate from certain death is just awesome! Especially when they tell you that they appreciate it. BTW: If they just speed up his projectiles he would be insane.
Hardstuck bronze
@@Mulindak gm3 sup here - i also enjoy weaver's kit. is it really bad in ranked in comparison to ana? yeah, but it has its strengths and can carry games - you just need to think about using his kit instead of turning your brain off and just shoot at the enemy
@@Mulindak someone is proud he peaked silver calling others bronze now xD
They did
Lifeweaver is the epitome of "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink."
"You can heal, save and provide high ground for your team, but you can't make them get picks and do damage."
Because if you were playing an actual support you could also damage and get picks too.
Healbotting never wins games
Yeah because they’re playing 4v5 lol
this is a great analogy
Was this something like: "
Uneducational Grandmaster to unranked on Life weaver"
Great video awkward! You obviously know the game better than me but I do enjoy playing Lifeweaver as he is the only hero that can build an entire forest.
I guess the point of LW is to see how quickly you can plant trees. 🤯
They made 2 charaters:
1) Lifeweawer - complitely disgusting no damage, no healing, sometimes ruin the game. Bottom tier.
2) Illary - comlitely Need-Nerfed-Widow-With-Healing-Power-Crazy-Move-Speed-Sniper-With-Ultimate-Like-Junk-Plus-Escape... Yeah... developers knew what they do it...
Lifeweaver is a fun hero to play in duo Q or generally in games with a lot of communication. flower can give a free high ground, put characters in places inaccessible to them naturally, pulls allows for quick repositionning/high ground and allows your mate to play extra agressive because they have a free escape plan if it goes wrong, ult is almost a "you can't die anymore" ability.
I feel like if they made him do a little bit less heals but his heals charged while you were dealing damage he would feel a lot better
They do now 🗿
I don't play shooters much..but i really got into Overwatch cause it reminded me of TF2. Lifeweaver is my favorite hero: To me seeing the "Players Saved" number is more fun/satisfying than seeing a kill counter go up. But thats just me
the only stat you can see that shows you made a diff is "players saved" 10+ players saved your making an impact. really though you must be shutting down enemy ults and pulling people to off angles and there is no stat that shows for that
i would like to add that first season of him i threw on an alt all weaver from masters 1 down to diamond 3. blizzard only buffs on win rates so i did my part to help with the giga buffs he got. still though he needs more dmg to be good though and those thorns aint it.
Awkward: If you play fundamentally well you'll be able to carry your games
Lifeweaver: We don't do that here
Meanwhile, Samito just finished an UR2GM on him this week with crazy stats, and considers Lifeweaver broken. His kit is centered around being a puppetmaster for the entire battlefield, and he is best equipped of all the supports to deny enemy coordinated plays and ults. "Playing fundamentally well" can vary wildly depending on the hero, and a distraction-focused mentality with a character that is best equipped to avoid enemy attention at all costs is *not* playing fundamentally well.
@@Aurora12488ana nd kiri better equipped
Where? His twitch is inactive@@Aurora12488
@@Aurora12488other supports are just better
@@Terrasse16better at offense? Maybe (not Mercy, tho).
But he’s the best defensive hero to deny plays.
Nanoed Genji dashed with an ult? Jump on the petal and yoink your teammate he’s after and watch him running pant down with no reset. To do that on Ana you’ll have to land a skillshot, which is way harder. Kiriko does not guarantee that Genji will not finish you off after suzu invulnerability.
He’s also great at denying value for most of the tank’s abilities and ults. Capable of saving booped or stickers teammates (with cass nade, tracer ult or echo stickies)
And the list goes on.
He’s not great for everything, but he’s very much playable, you just have to adapt the mentality
For the first time, i completely disagree with Awkward. With everytning he said about lifeweaver. Other support like ana, zen, moira etc their utility comes from damage. Life weavers utility comes from big heals, decent survivibility, good mobility, and insane life saving potential. Awkward is genuinely playing LW terribly bad here, simply because of his narrow "Damage" mindset.
-A T500 across all roles, notably specifically LW
I completely agree with you he’s just playing lw wrong then complaining when it doesn’t work.
It’s like not scoping In with widow then complaining she can kill anything.
damage damage damage is a good mindset on a lot of supports but not mercy or lifeweaver
Ye
@@destiny_5540 tbh I wouldn't say Mercy only because on Mercy you are damage boosting like 80% of the game
Healing is only really done on downtime due to her slow healing
Lifeweaver is genuinely just kinda playing by his own fundamentals
within a month your vids have brought me from low plat to almost gm support (i hope i get it next placement). im happy you do these educational vids, thanks
Your pull on the junkrat got interrupted when you broke LOS with his original position. So it dropped him on the last point on his trajectory that you had LOS from - which dropped him behind that wall, into Orisa ult.
Lifeweaver one of those characters I enjoy playing when I just wanna chill and not sweat in some QP
Yeah same, he’s great when playing qp with a group of friends and you just wanna turn your brain off a bit and hang out. I’d never play him in comp though, if you are playing seriously he is kinda boring.
If I wanna chill in QP, Mercy already existed.
@@Zathren lifeweaver has nothing to juggle. Mercy has 20 things to constantly do
Idk some games feel really sweaty for me, especially when paired with a low-heal support such as zen/lucio
You just try to keep everyone alive
@@CFDuffLumiwhat rank are you? Bronze?
Seeing Awkward on an actual healer is hilarious. I understand his pain.
LW wasnt designed to carry with big consistent dmg like bap, zen or kiri, hes an enabler that can put your dps in strong positions that would be unorthodox, or help them reposition very quickly, 2 completely different playstyles and roles. Its like comparing an Orisa's survivability to a Doom who cant land any abilities lol
Just look at the difference towards the end of the video when I play Kiriko. Night and day.
I think the problem with Lifeweaver is the design of the hero makes you FEEL that you have a great impact on the game. Heal a lot, saving people's lives, escaping from danger... "it's all my team's fault!"
Without fail Weaver mains are the smuggest and dumbest people in every lobby I get into. I had one idiot today do the sit emote while we walked back from a team wipe. He thought he was the only blameless one when he was literally spectating lol
But he does have an impact on the game.
The amount of times I’ve stopped an Orisa ult, saved my team from shatter, freeze, hanzo ult, rein charge, is uncountable.
Freeze and shatter are team wiping ults. And LW can save multiple teammates from them.
And he’s the only hero who can save their teammates from the inevitable death of falling or being booped off the map.
His damage isn’t terrible for a support either. It’s not bap or Ana but I’ll 1v1 an ash or widow on high ground in a heartbeat.
They had the audacity to nerf him also lmao.
There are many ways to play him, either you go support offense and take off angles pulling a dps with you and pocket them. Or you do the offense yourself as usual and take close/mid range machinegun fights in frontline angles while you heal tank, petal out while you call all targets low for team to finish.
I find lifeweaver really fun... he might be meh, but he's really good at countering enemy abilities and ultimates with his abilities - which is satisfying. I'll admit the primary fire spam is pretty boring though, thats why you mix in some dps'ing.
“People who try to have fun in death match disgust me.” - Awkward -
It’s funny I feel like him being bad makes him think the character is bad
9:00 had me dead "what is going on. i teach those stuff, what is she doing?"
Lifeweaver has cool abilities and a cool heal ability, but like literally no damage because its so slow to switch from healing to damage
The way that pull served the junk rat up on a platter for the orisa ult 😂
“Don’t play life weaver. Don’t be a part of the problem.” *2 seconds later* “alright we’re gonna go life weaver and we’re gonna hide”
I've been having a lot of fun on LW. And have been climbing. With Zarya and Orisa being so prominent he pretty much shuts down their ults.
And if you can avoid shatters you can save teammates from that too.
I've been climbing on Lucio, kiri, and mercy too.
I haven't started playing illari yet
"I might have killed our junkrat....I know I killed our junkrat". I appreciate good lifeweavers. Ive been saved and killed by them; they can change your fate in an instant. I've mixed feelings about this character. RIFT had a character who could do this, and they ended up implementing a setting in the options where you could opt in or out of pulls. It was well received.
I feel like the base concept of lifeweaver is good, something that enables and allows new angles for everyone but i feel like he himself is lacking, you cant do anything playing him, you can only let others do stuff.
A damage buff may work, or some increased utility on his abilitys, let people choose to get pulled to platform when they want to, or let him do something extra
nah that prank at the start though got me for a sec you bastard
Love the soundtrack behind this entire vid! Lifeweaver is trash design. Leaving yourself to the mercy of your team and the flow of the game, with the only ability to alter is reactionary with your cooldowns. The only proactive thing he can realistically do is pull/petal people to high ground ( and just look at those bronzes struggle with that lmao) or tree early fight for the overhealth, which is an absolute shit mechanic in itself. (theres a reason brigs armor got reworked)
“Did not enjoy a single time” I’m dead 😂😂😂😂
Omfg that guy at the beginning almost had me 😂😂 I was like there's NO way a haircut changes his look that much... Right?!
Nah I get the criticism but honestly lw isn't about carrying the team with kills and distractions, it's literally about puppeting your team to play better. If you see highground that would be better for a cass, you petal them up, if you want a rein to shatter the team but can't seem to do it? Pull him to an off angle and do it. A teammate is over-extending? Pull him back. It's like being a dad taking care of your 4 kids lmao.
Can you do an unranked to gm on lucio? Would love to see how you play him
damage damage damage vs healing healing healing
*awkward dies*
"but hey i was distracting!"
LOL
I unironically love lifeweaver 💓 a main support with crazy utility and survivability. Games where you constantly save your tank, heal the whole team, kill divers and counter ultimates is peak gameplay. But yeah, compared to most every other support, a good player can get more value on another hero. Wouldn’t recommend it in gm.
Obviously you know way more about the game than me and are way better, but it’s kinda crazy to me to be complaining about damage output when playing a passive reactive support hero like mercy. I get you don’t like that design philosophy but there is a place in the game for characters like that. Not in the highest ranks, but there still is.
Also there are a lot of scenarios where you can flank and pull your teammate into an off angle or behind the enemy team, and just generally be a lot more creative with his kit. I like your content a lot but I’m going to keep playing him :-)
That beginning tripped me up so bad LMAO
i feel that ramatra, i hate when we go double healbot, like okay we have heals but we have no support advantages, it's even worse when enemy goes ana, brig, or junker queen
Life works well with dive heros. Pulling them from being overwhelmed and long range sustain.
I wouldn't say well, that would be ana kiriko brig etc. They enable the divers which is better in the long run. What lw provides to dive is a far cry from what an anti nade alone provides for example. Just because you can pull people out from a fight doesn't mean you are helping especially for dive. There's nothing I hate more than when a lw pulls me because my health is low when I'm perfectly fine as tracer. Then because I got pulled, I lost all the pressure I made just because of someone who thinks they're helping.
Dive heroes need to be pulled the least. They already have the ability to escape. He works best with brawl tanks like JQ and Rein. Petal for high ground and Pull can let them go crazy in the enemy backline with little risk
Sometimes I just like to have my “I have no enemies” arc in qp and deny any pick the enemy team is close to getting
totally agree it feels like was designed by different team
lifeweaver is who i pick if i'm playing with friends and they complain "not enough heals", but i have no fun playing him at all
tree feels most impact and even then it's just like a brig rally, use and forget
“Smurf? Like the blue guys?” LMAOAOAO
Honestly, just making it so the Ammo could *Regen* instead of reload when weaving would make him a lot nicer. You could send a few shots, swap back, and theoretically have a fluid toggle to do damage whilst also avoiding the dreadfully stupid reload.
The reason Awkward isn’t having fun and sometimes carrying with Weaver is that he’s not using his petal optimally: It is the perfect option to save teammates/hard counter Orisa ult, Zarya ult, Rein ult, Mei ult, junk trapped teammates, slept teammates, etc. and it’s super satisfying to use it that way. I agree, you can’t carry with him nearly as often as some of the other supports, but if you use his platform right, he’s much more fun and extremely powerful with his skill expression. Also, using the tree to block a small doorway that the enemy team is coming through when the timer is about to hit zero is divine.
Petal platform might just be the most dynamic ability in the game. Lifeweaver is great💗
I love how as he progressively got fed up playing LW he started to do more DMG instead of heals lol
In low ranks you can kind of set up your team for success. Low ranks nobody takes off angles or high ground so I used to go up there and pull people to better angles lol.
Low ranks and my fucking teammates are just scared of the petal, like bitch take my petal and take high ground you dumb fucks. I even boost them up and bam they jump off and I’m just like 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
i was thinking "wait a second awkward what happened to your hair" haha
I fell asleep 4 times while watching this.
I really wanna see you do a genji u2gm it would be intresting to see what tips you would give with him
I have a friend who hard locks Mercy/Lifeweaver every game they play. Let that sink in after watching this video.
That's not a friend that's an enemy
That was actually a crazy good impression
17:34 yes if we rank down we feel that way. When you get that many losses but you still need to finish your card you just need that final win but its bittersweet to get the win iust to derank.
What about the unranked to gm ball? The vod is on twitch. Will you upload here?
Seeing one of the best support players struggle with lifeweaver just goes to show u how amazing dafran is for pulling off unranked to top 500 with him. Only one capable of doing the unranked to top 500 with all heroes.
The kirby music background gives me nostalgic throwbacks so hard
i love the paper mario soundtrack in the background
When you gripped the bastion from the tree I was like "Wow so mlg."
YEEEEEEEAA new awkward
I’ve been wanting to see you do a Mercy or LW game so bad to see how the “damagedamagedamage” philosophy carries over yes!
he did unranked to gm on mercy in ow1 and it's really funny. he's not having fun.
@@moonyeast whaaaat I never knew watching this rn lol thanks
love a new awkward video
BRO WHAT THE F HAPPENED TO AWKWARD
nvm that was someone else bro
Bro makes kiriko look so much fun
I played 2 games as LW in Diamond, nothing. Couldn't carry. Hated it. Had tons of healing though.
5 games as Brig, all wins. It's stupid. This video was so accurate, like all of your content.
Trying to carry with heals is like asking your team to carry and trusting and hoping that they are better at the game then you. The sad truth is your whole team could never die and still lose if you don't have damage. Nothing gets done if you don't make opportunities.
Love the content, can you do a widowmaker video (unranked to gm/tips/other)?
Can u pls make an unranked to gm with sigma ? Will love it
I think lifeweaver's greatest advantage is the utility he provides with ult cancel and evasion through his petal, and saving peoples asses with his bubble pull or whatever its called. A lot times if my tank is too aggro and solo pushes a lot, I'll switch to LW to pull them back. If they just swapped some of the healing output for damage output, it would be so much better.
Ult cancelling his own teammates
THIS BOY FRESH
Yeah, but this is the one of only times I ever seen you have fun
Woahhhh that haircut fresh af !!!!!
LW against a zar, goes absolutely crazy. Petal out of grav, pull out of grav.
Bro transformed. You look good my dude, I do think it suits you a little worse than previous, but you still adorable in different way
I like that you are uploading more
12:04 !! Wtf did u do lol 😭😭
Bro the haircut looks rly good 👍
Haircut my mom made me get before I could choose. Haha it’s fresh!
Lifeweaver is very good in low ranks. You don't need to have good aim and can correct teammates positioning when they push forward too hard. Yoink those psycho reinhardt players 👍
Also he is very good if you want to stay in low ranks and never learn much...
@@tehehe5929 i dont think you understand how the game works... Like on a fundamental level.
Babe wake up, Awkward dropped a new vid
bro thats not awkward thats outgoing 💀
I think live weaver is decent if ur team puts out high damage quick. He’s not meant to carry I feel like it’s an enabler for other characters like zen, ana, pharah, bastion
11:59 I'm dying 😂
Healing is the result of feeding. Click heads. It saves wasted damage.
would this hero be fixed if he could damage and heal at the same time
finally, someone who actually does damage on LW, i thought it was just me
thought he shape shifted for a second
I feel like i dont hide and heal tho. I usually stay behind my peeps and mostly thorn and heal when needed like i said. But use his double jump to stay dynamic