Another element of Miley’s endurance as a public figure despite a drop in commercial success is most definitely how funny she is. She took over for both Fallon and Ellen while they were out and co-hosted New Year’s Eve with Pete Davidson. Being on the good side of comedians has only been of help to her as she’s reintroduced herself to the world as an adult. While I agree that Selena is the most “successful” of the 00s Disney queen trio, what I find most interesting is that she seems to chart because of herself, not the song. Whether it’s her on and off again relationship with Beiber or her health battles, people seem drawn to check out her music because it’s Selena singing, not because of the music itself (at least in my opinion). That’s why, despite having more charting songs, I feel like the general public only bring back two from her non-Disney days (Come and Get It and Lose You To Love Me). I’d be curious to hear from you, in a future Selena video, why you think we as a public are so invested in her journey while other stars with similar or worse strife in their lives fall to the wayside. As far as another video idea, I’d love to see you tackle the failed musical career of Vanessa Hudgens. After her phone was hacked and her nudes were leaked as a teen, Disney did her DIRTY and her musical career, as well as her film career, have never been restored to what it once was thanks to Disney’s tyrannical puritanical rule.
Vanessa was done so dirty, you’re totally right! And I definitely can’t wait to do a Selena video, because her discography is actually so interesting. I think I’ll probably touch on that in my review of her doc! Thanks for your comment :)
@@jimbob2427 I checked before commenting, Rare has more streams, more sales and higher score on metacritic, it went #1 and has a #1 single. It wasn't promoted properly because of covid, but i agree plastic hearts didn't receive proper promotion either, they both deserve so much more and i love both records, i think it's their best work yet :)
Miley is the blueprint of teen popstar…Selena and Demi just followed suit but took advantage when public tear down making Miley as the bad girl and Selena as the good girl. Miley stayed authentic throughout everything she went through.
plastic hearts is most definitely my favorite miley album, and i saw her in concert last year which was fantastic because she did play a lot from the breakout/hannah days. in interviews she’s said it’s difficult for her to make an album because she could write a song and by the next day it won’t resonate with her anymore, which i think shows how having two identities as a child has made her need to constantly search for who she wants to be as an artist. i also think that’s why her albums are confused and come off as inauthentic. by the time the album comes out, she doesn’t relate to the music anymore so that’s why she wrote off she is coming and younger now so quickly. i think it’s promising that she hasn’t said those things about plastic hearts as far as i know. maybe she’s found the place she wants to be for a little bit. she got to work with billy idol, stevie nicks, and joan jett on this record. as seen by all of her covers, miley is a huge fan of…everyone in music. she even wrote in her memoir at age 15 (lol) about how stoked she was to learn some guitar stuff from the guitarist from lynyrd skynyrd and covered smells like teen spirit on the hannah montana tour. perhaps her collaborations with artists who occupy a space she’s seemingly always wanted to occupy will lead to her finding authentic artistry in her next project. i’ll support most any music she makes anyway because she is a giant part of my childhood, but i would really like to see her embody her full potential as well. Thank you for the awesome video you are killin it
Plastic Hearts is a masterpiece. its def her most cohesive work to date. I used to feel the same way the creator did about mileys career until I watched hours and hours of interviews. She explains a lot of the messages behind her songs that are deeper than what you would expect if you took them for face value. Miley is a genius, & I don't just mean creatively. I would def suggest watching her Zane Lowe interviews. Also Bangerz still hits. I MEEEEAN SMS(bangerz), My Darlin', Drive, Someone Else.... I agree some of the singles may not have aged well, but the album tracks are gold.
i need to tell you that i’ve been obsessed with your videos in the last few months, but videos like this one are truly where you shine. i hope you continue to do these deep dive (essay-like) videos because this was BRILLIANT
thank you SO MUCH geneva!! these videos definitely don't do numbers like the others, but comments like these remind me that it's not all about the ~views~
agreed. miley cyrus is THE pop star disney wanted, going all the way back to when they tried to make hillary duff as successful as britney and christina. demi lovato has the vocal range but she was never able to separate her personal life from her professional life like miley achieved.
I honestly LOVED plastic hearts, I really appreciated her attention to detail in creating a classic rock style album using modern techniques. I thought it was definitely the most “her” since some of her first albums. It felt like a mix of the bangerz edginess with the musicality and rock inspiration from earlier records but much more mature. I think it tanked due to the promo for sure but it’s probably my favourite Miley album. High, hate me, and bad karma are an awesome little run of songs, didn’t care for the singles as much!
Would love to see you do an update on this with some of her more recent moves in the last year. Buy myself flowers, used to be young, etc I think really brought her some mew audiences
miley is the most successful teen pop star that came from disney. she literally sold more than any other act. has more hits and the hits are more memorable. lmfao
@@theswiftologist the hits of which pop artist of the disney generation is bigger, more recognizable and memorable than party in the usa, the climb, we cant stop and wrecking ball? everybody knows these songs. if we ask GP one song that they know from miley, everybody has at least one. we cant do the same with selena or demi.
@COZZYVIBEZ a hit album dont define you as the biggest baby… when olivia surprass miley in sales, point and tour… we talk… the only thing this girl have is a grammy, but we both know why miley never won one
I don't think Miley cares about commercial success.. she has reached heights most have never.. I think if she did.. she can easily make another Bangerz type album.. she seems to be content in making music she wants to make. Miley Cyrus in 2022 is a much more respected musician than Demi or Selena.
Would love an update video considering the amazing 2023 that Miley had. What’s particularly gratifying now is seeing her unabashed self-acceptance and perspective on her past. And fewer artists can do a cover better. Metallica’s Nothing Else Matters is incredible.
Great video, but in no universe is Demi a bigger star than Miley! 😂❤ And Selena while becoming the bigger influencer/business women of the three- has not had as successful a music career as Miley. Loved the video though, they are three queens in their own right!
23:52- AS THE PARENT THAT I AM, if my son grows up to be as analytical on my parenting,AND expressive,and eloquent as you are, I’d be so, so scared. But also so proud 😳. Great video, never stop.
Miley the least successful of them three??!!!! R u serious demi is a flop her videos cant reach 10millions views. Selena sold 7 million albums while miley sold 55 million albums
i agree with many points that you make but as long time fan of miley (she is to me what taylor is to you) i disagree with the thought that she may not know who she is or that she needs to focus or stick to something. cause as long time fan i know she just changes with the time and that’s one of the thing that makes her unique as an artist. in the zane lowe interview she says that by the time she drop the midnight sky remix she had already moved on from the song, she no longer felt like that (i bet that this happens to many artists but they simply don’t say it), she also expresses that she feels like she goes to bed like one person and wakes up as another, and even though it probably has something to do with the hole hannah thing i don’t think that is something she is gonna be able to change, she to me is constantly evolving due to what ever is happening in her life. to me the problem comes with the fact that the changes are to fast or inspected and if you are not a long time fan knowing where she is coming from and what is going on it feels fake and out of pocket. As a long time fan i’m just hoping that she stop caring about charts success or what people are gonna think and she does another dead pets where she just experimentes with whatever she is feeling. (also younger now was a mess cause the label didn’t expect Malibu to be a hit or have any relevancy and when it did they pressured her to make a record, she has said in passing that when she drop Malibu in May she had 4 or 3 songs more and the record came out in September, she would also talk about the record and how she was planning it to be to came out contradicting those plans)
@@theswiftologist haahahahahahah yeah but what i was trying to says is that i like her better without focus unlike what i think i understood from the closing of the video where you said she needs a team to help her put all together, but i just said too much and the message got lost in it 😂
selena the most successful? no offense but i think you’re basing this through streams… cus miley ends selena in chart, sales, & overall impact. streams dont pay that much (anyone can get streams these days). miley cyrus is the most successful & i think you are underestimating her. selena couldnt even survive 3 weeks in the top 3 on the charts as compared to miley who spent 32 whole weeks.
Miley has like 20mm monthly’s monthly listeners. Half Miley streams are from features from dance tracks when Spotify first got popular. 70% of Miley streams are from solo performances vs 40% for Selena
“miley cyrus the least successful musically of demi lovato and selena gómez” ?? you clearly didn’t look at the streaming numbers before you spat that out lmfao miley is ahead of demi and selena with the most listeners on spotify, has a diamond single and a huge legacy, idk why you’re downplaying her musical success from the get go.
in my opinion, she is the least successful musically. not by charts but by artistry. and again that's my opinion. that I shared. on my channel! you don't have to agree :) x
This was such an interesting video! I watched a lot of Hannah Montana when I was younger, but I never really followed Miley's career after the show, and I'm really only aware of her hits. I do feel really bad for her, because I feel like being on disney, and constantly being in the eye of the public really damaged her childhood, as it's happened to so many other child stars. Plus, being on a channel with such high purity standards is even worse.
As someone who grew up in an extremely conservative Evangelical house in Texas, this brings back so many memories. Because of how Disney forced all their stars to pretend to be religious and wear Worth the Wait rings, my mom was okay with me watching their shows until the scandals started really gaining traction. I really hope that Miley wasn't having to deal with deconstructing oppressive religious beliefs on top of everything else she went through.
I just came from a 3 part deep dive on Miley and the last part of this is what I was missing. I was always a fan of Miley. We need a full on documentary of her! ❤
You just deepened what I thought to be an already pretty extensive knowledge about Miley. This added perspectives that are changing how I see my childhood (in a good way, mostly) and omg! I knew I had nostalgic rose colored glasses for some of her work but couldn't quite figure out to what extent but she really was the center of attention for a while. She's an iconic legend and I think she'll have plenty more time in the industry with sufficient success, I hope
Miley has kind of a Demi curse where she can’t find exactly who she is. HOWEVER, I loved plastic hearts, I believe it has no skips !! also, I love the videos analyzing other pop figures
I saw you make a comment that these types of videos don't do as well as your other content and that's really unfortunate because this is my favorite kind of content to watch/listen to Especially with what feels like "niche" content I hope as long as you keep enjoying it, you'll keep making these types of videos 💖
You got so much wrong in this video lmao .. like i totally understand the point you’re trying to make that her artistry isn’t always that cohesive but you basically say she fell off after Bangerz which is simply untrue.. maybe it’s an american centric attitude you have - but in Europe, Nothing Breaks Like a Heart, Midnight Sky and Prisoner were all giant hits, you’re pulling up info from billboard and your own taste in music and representing it as data.. Plastic Hearts topped the rock charts for 6 weeks and is regarded as her best work and was adored by critics, you’ve creating a false narrative in a lot of your comments.. Saying she’s gained no fans since Hannah Montana when under all of her covers there are 40+ year olds saying they’ve discovered and love her music isn’t realistic. Also claiming she chases features for relevancy is insane , because she is not a feature artist .. and you will find Ariana, Nicki and basically everyone else in the industry do that WAY more. I’m not sure you really have your facts straight, it feels like you have an opinion on Miley that you’re wanting everyone else to agree on but there’s very little to actually back up any of your claims.
this is my channel where I share my opinions lol and this is my opinion, I really don't care if you agree or not...and I certainly don't care enough to convince you otherwise! enjoy x
Update: finished your video! Great job in giving all the highlights for someone who knew of but wasn’t a fan. Very uncomfortable hearing how much Disney really pushed out certain expectations and ideas while trying to aim towards the tween market. I don’t know how someone in Miley position was able to get through being a Peter Pan of sorts for every child of America. Although now I think of it, this explains a lot of how Mary Kate and Ashley must’ve felt like in their heyday and opted immediately out after their last film.
The fact that you think miley is the least successful? She has almost 4 diamond songs in us. She has 1 number 1 hits and iconic songs like pitusa, wrecing ball, we cant stop, the climb. The fact that she CHOSE the path not to sell was her choice.slena and demi do not have such big songs. Besides cool for the summer and lose tou to love me. If miley hadnt released dead petz she would've been up there with ariana but she did release it because shes miley and she does what she wants. Thats why her fans love her
This deep dive was so well done and all-encompassing. Thank you for taking the time. I would be interested in seeing one for Katy Perry's career, whom you have often cast in a victim's light in relation to our girl Tay.
Fantastic video! I've followed Miley all throughout her career and was shocked that i got all the references. It was worth the behind the scenes hell to finally get this!
I was literally watching this while working yesterday and couldn't comment earlier, but I'd just like to say that was so insightful! I'm usually lurking, but really thank you for creating such high quality content, your videos and the podcast became a part of my routine and I can't get enough of them hahah Wish u the best, zack!
Such a great video, thanks❤❤ I've been loving the Plastic Hearts album, Miley is such a talented artist and I hope one day she'll be able to find AND express her real self with the success she deserves. If I can have a suggestion, maybe please start showing more pictures in the video, I sometimes feel like I should stop it and Google the images. Anyway, thanks!😍
I think it would be interesting for you to do a Madonna deep dive! Though, it would take quite a bit of time because she has had a 40+ year career but it would definitely be interesting to see! Also, fun fact, Taylor Swift performed with Madonna at the iHeart music awards in 2015 during the 1989 era. Interestingly enough, Taylor said that Madonna's Like a Prayer album helped influence 1989 because of the way Madonna took musical risks and re-invented herself everytime like Taylor did on 1989. It's no coincidence that Like a Prayer was released in 1989. Haha sorry for rambling. Taylor and Madonna are my two Queens. I love how honest you are in your videos and you seem very intelligent so It would be interesting to see you do a Madonna deep dive
At first when you were talking about her music career post Disney not being that successful I thought you were kind of underestimating her but after watching the whole video I realized I'm only familiar with her hits. My sister and I were huge Hannah Montana fans and I'm so familiar with all her music from the Disney days that she's possibly even a bigger music star in my head because of that. Also, it's very interesting to me to see how she was perceived by the media and the people in the us cause I live in Greece (and was like 5 to 9 years old at the time lol) and I wasn't aware of how criticized she was. Side note, not to bring everything back to Taylor but one of my first memories of her is crazier and when she was mentioned in an episode. You've been a swiftie for so long, was Taylor being a part of the Hannah Montana universe a big deal to you at the time?
This video is excellent, EXCELLENT I tell you. I'm from Sweden and not very plugged into what goes down in the American media, this deep dive was so informative. The depressing saga of what was done to Miley and how it ties into purity culture is fascinating insight. This is the commentary I am here for.
There’s a very interesting Miley interview that I think complements this video very well. During the Plastic Hearts era she was interviewed by Zane Lowe from Apple Music, and shares a lot, which is not common for her. The interview is full of highs and lows, just like her career. I love her to pieces, unfortunately I’ve never seen her live before, despite her coming to Brasil 3 times. And just a small correction that does not interfere the least with the excellence of the video, I believe the performance you were referring to towards the end was Lollapalooza 2022 in São Paulo, not Rock in Rio. Loved the video, congrats!
Great video as always. One thing I don't agree with. I don't think that selena is the best artist to come out of Disney. Miley's songs were always better than selena's and her voice is also a lot stronger. Plastic hearts itself proves that miley was the best Disney talent. Selena might be more famous but that has to do more with the justin bieber couple goals drama than the actual music . Please let the next video be about katy Perry's witness. Her downfall has always surprised me because it was so sudden. And so you think Taylor Swift had anything to do with witness not being received well by the public?? We all know about the spotify sabotage Taylor did. Love the content. Keep producing it. ❤
Breakout, can't be tamed, younger now and endless summer vacation are my favourite eras of hers. They feel deeply authentic, they talk about her and she gets vulnerable. Its weird to me cuz I had the same phases as her (we are the same age) so I could always relate to her music and where she was mentally.
omg she's so funny I HIGHLY doubt she was doing method acting at 14 years old for Hannah Montana, and besides she didn't really need to act.....Miley Stewart was basically her 👀
I'd be super interested in your thoughts on Miley's Endless Summer "documentaries." I enjoyed the first one on Disney+ but I was really confused by the Hulu one.
Miley Cyrus is least successful out of these three women? Maybe judging from most mainstream current hits, Selena is above her but taking into account her musical and creative development and all her backyard sessions and rock covers which gained her incredible reach and respect from multiple generations, it's definitely Miley. My initial pick would be: 1. Miley 2. Selena 3. Demi
@@theswiftologistthat’s not the same. Because predictable and consistent isn’t Miley but if you talk about successes in music, Miley>>>> But because she constantly changes and is unpredictable, it’s impossible for her to build brand and fan loyalty. However the kind of artist she is would be considered icon and legends as time passes. Because no one is like her who is carefree and fearless
I have never been a huge Hannah Montana or Miles Cyrus fan although I did like the show as a kid and I really like some of her song like Slide Away and Midnight Sky. However, I do think that she just has that natural star power as you said. I don't why but for some reason I have always been rooting for her even during all the hate that she received for wrecking ball for example. I think she is an interesting person and artist that is very likeable and obviously very talented! I hope she will lean more into rock without having to cosplay it and I hope that she will find inner peace within herself as well as with her past. Anyways, thank you so much for the video! You video essays are my favourite videos of yours and I would love an analysis on Selena Gomez and why she is so loved not only by her fans but also by such a wide audience. I also like Selena but I find it interesting sometimes how she was able to become such a well liked person where liking and rooting for her is almost a consensus.
Bf and I recently listened to miley's whole discography and dead petz and plastic hearts are by far the best. She needs to either make weed albums or go full Rockstar imho.
I think it would be better if you linked the sources mentioned in your video essay. Keep up the good work, though. Really love hearing your evaluations of the effects of cultural artifacts on society's perception of phenomena of sorts. :)
Great video, this uncovered a lot of history I did not know about Miley! Unfortunately I disagree with a lots of your opinions on her career success. I dont know if its because Im not from the US, so I cant speak to that, but if you asked me to name 5 Selena and Demi songs or be shot I would be dead 😅 Im not particularly impassioned by either of the 3 but I personally feel Miley has far more cultural relevence. This is only cemented now with her new album. I realise this was made a year ago, but I do believe Plastic Hearts was a moment too. I never watched Disney channel as a kid either, so I guess she has in fact gained new audience.
Honestly, I believe that Miley’s time at the spotlight will come again - she has such a natural charisma that translates to her music and singing, and it seems to grow as she ages. A lot of people hate Dead Petz but I love that album. It’s quirky, weird but also so childishly unapologetically truthful and real, eventually so “Miley like” (highlight of that album is Space Bootz for me). Every other attempt for success is held but by a degree of careful marketing calculation. SHE IS COMING has highlights and potential but is ruined by the same thing (DREAM and party up the street are great). For me Plastic hearts was a disappointment in a way. I love some of the songs that scream MILEY to me (Never be me, Golden G string, Angels like you is a carefully crafted hit). But eventually it’s still her holding back, taking risks but only halfway, carefully calculated album that brings nothing new to the table. But as you stressed - it’s cohesive. And that’s a major step up and, in a way, a hope for her future albums. No matter what she decides to put out, I am excited to listen to it. After all - she is Miley f*ucking Cyrus.
yes cohesion is certainly a good thing for her. someone else wrote it here, but it's promising that she hasn't written plastic hearts off yet or swung to a new genre altogether. hoping for a smash soon 🤞
Miley did not create plastic hearts the album because of heart of glass and how people liked the cover and saw the success of it. If you were a true Miley fan you would know that Some the songs for plastic hearts were going to be in she is Miley Cyrus EP trilogy. Miley songs in plastic hearts like bad karma, Golden g string, hate me, and more were made in 2018-2019. The album was more than finished before heart of glass came out.Miley just decided to do a more rock influenced album which was great because her trilogy of eps we’re gonna have a shit tone of rock either way. Plastic hearts was planned
To further your point, Miley has said in interviews that she changes her mind creatively within months (in BB Talk she also says "I heard I change my mind way too often"), and I imagine that is VERY frustrating to producers and her co-writers who are wondering if the material they worked hard on (and gave their 💲valuable💲 time to) will never see the light of day. If I'm a songwriter/producer, I'd rather work with someone who is more likely to stick with their original vision and consequently put what we worked on on the record. As you said, Miley's impulsivity and the fact she changes as a person every 2 minutes speaks to both childstar trauma and also weak creative vision that hinders her career.
Plastic Hearts is definitely her best album in a long time. But I agree, it does feel like some type of alter ego intertwined with her authentic feelings. But it doesn’t feel like the real true Miley. This video was very well done!
I'm actually gonna have to defend plastic hearts I heard tons of songs about being bummed and empty but none have ever felt so true? It's hard to describe but it's one of those moments where you are suddenly given the exact vocabulary to explain what you feel
Full offense taken here I fuckin love Younger Now. Malibu was such an interesting different sounding song that I got addicted to immediately…. The vibes on that album were my exact aesthetic. 😢
If i can give you a “video review” (now that you are diversifying your content) I would recommend you to include some/more humor and more of your personality in the videos because I think that’s what sets you apart from other content creators! Or maybe I just in you enjoy your sense of humor, honesty and spontaneity so much. Besides that I found the video very interesting, informative and with a unique perspective!!
ugh i just liiiive for your vids. this is an old one, but the youtube algorithm showed me the right vid for once. i honestly only discovered you about 2 weeks ago from people on r/SwiftlyNeutral saying things like “i cant stand this guyyy” under a clip of you but the only reason they disliked you is because you call joe alwyn the heirloom turkey? LMAOO. I enjoy your content greatly even if we don’t see eye to eye on absolutely everything … because i’m 22 & know i don’t have to hate someone just because i disagree with them? i absolutely love pop culture analysis & your takes are always so refreshing. another miley vid would be saur kewl, not totally sure what it’d be about, she’s on top of her game rn it seems like?
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Another element of Miley’s endurance as a public figure despite a drop in commercial success is most definitely how funny she is. She took over for both Fallon and Ellen while they were out and co-hosted New Year’s Eve with Pete Davidson. Being on the good side of comedians has only been of help to her as she’s reintroduced herself to the world as an adult.
While I agree that Selena is the most “successful” of the 00s Disney queen trio, what I find most interesting is that she seems to chart because of herself, not the song. Whether it’s her on and off again relationship with Beiber or her health battles, people seem drawn to check out her music because it’s Selena singing, not because of the music itself (at least in my opinion). That’s why, despite having more charting songs, I feel like the general public only bring back two from her non-Disney days (Come and Get It and Lose You To Love Me). I’d be curious to hear from you, in a future Selena video, why you think we as a public are so invested in her journey while other stars with similar or worse strife in their lives fall to the wayside.
As far as another video idea, I’d love to see you tackle the failed musical career of Vanessa Hudgens. After her phone was hacked and her nudes were leaked as a teen, Disney did her DIRTY and her musical career, as well as her film career, have never been restored to what it once was thanks to Disney’s tyrannical puritanical rule.
Vanessa was done so dirty, you’re totally right! And I definitely can’t wait to do a Selena video, because her discography is actually so interesting. I think I’ll probably touch on that in my review of her doc! Thanks for your comment :)
@@jimbob2427 the revival era is unbeatable
@@jimbob2427 Rare outsold and outstreamed Plastic hearts, and it went #1
@@jimbob2427 I checked before commenting, Rare has more streams, more sales and higher score on metacritic, it went #1 and has a #1 single. It wasn't promoted properly because of covid, but i agree plastic hearts didn't receive proper promotion either, they both deserve so much more and i love both records, i think it's their best work yet :)
Miley is the blueprint of teen popstar…Selena and Demi just followed suit but took advantage when public tear down making Miley as the bad girl and Selena as the good girl. Miley stayed authentic throughout everything she went through.
Binge watching Swiftologist videos has definitely been my safe space recently
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plastic hearts is most definitely my favorite miley album, and i saw her in concert last year which was fantastic because she did play a lot from the breakout/hannah days. in interviews she’s said it’s difficult for her to make an album because she could write a song and by the next day it won’t resonate with her anymore, which i think shows how having two identities as a child has made her need to constantly search for who she wants to be as an artist. i also think that’s why her albums are confused and come off as inauthentic. by the time the album comes out, she doesn’t relate to the music anymore so that’s why she wrote off she is coming and younger now so quickly. i think it’s promising that she hasn’t said those things about plastic hearts as far as i know. maybe she’s found the place she wants to be for a little bit. she got to work with billy idol, stevie nicks, and joan jett on this record. as seen by all of her covers, miley is a huge fan of…everyone in music. she even wrote in her memoir at age 15 (lol) about how stoked she was to learn some guitar stuff from the guitarist from lynyrd skynyrd and covered smells like teen spirit on the hannah montana tour. perhaps her collaborations with artists who occupy a space she’s seemingly always wanted to occupy will lead to her finding authentic artistry in her next project.
i’ll support most any music she makes anyway because she is a giant part of my childhood, but i would really like to see her embody her full potential as well.
Thank you for the awesome video you are killin it
totally agree that she's an incredibly talented artist! I'd love to see her in concert 🖤 thank you for watching!
Plastic Hearts is a masterpiece. its def her most cohesive work to date. I used to feel the same way the creator did about mileys career until I watched hours and hours of interviews. She explains a lot of the messages behind her songs that are deeper than what you would expect if you took them for face value. Miley is a genius, & I don't just mean creatively. I would def suggest watching her Zane Lowe interviews. Also Bangerz still hits. I MEEEEAN SMS(bangerz), My Darlin', Drive, Someone Else.... I agree some of the singles may not have aged well, but the album tracks are gold.
@@bluntasiaalize1688 i loooove her zane lowe interviews! she’s a genius for sure. bangerz is my #2 album only behind plastic hearts!
i need to tell you that i’ve been obsessed with your videos in the last few months, but videos like this one are truly where you shine. i hope you continue to do these deep dive (essay-like) videos because this was BRILLIANT
thank you SO MUCH geneva!! these videos definitely don't do numbers like the others, but comments like these remind me that it's not all about the ~views~
@@theswiftologist slay mama
in what world is Demi Lovato more influential, successful or popular than Miley Cyrus?
Yes I didn’t agree with that
i don’t think it’s fair to compare them imo, they each are influential and talented in their own way
Did you miss when Demi showed a wild card when she was able to sing to people in the afterlife?
agreed. miley cyrus is THE pop star disney wanted, going all the way back to when they tried to make hillary duff as successful as britney and christina. demi lovato has the vocal range but she was never able to separate her personal life from her professional life like miley achieved.
I would pick a demi song over a Miley song any day so I agree with it
I honestly LOVED plastic hearts, I really appreciated her attention to detail in creating a classic rock style album using modern techniques. I thought it was definitely the most “her” since some of her first albums. It felt like a mix of the bangerz edginess with the musicality and rock inspiration from earlier records but much more mature. I think it tanked due to the promo for sure but it’s probably my favourite Miley album. High, hate me, and bad karma are an awesome little run of songs, didn’t care for the singles as much!
ooh I like hate me a lot! yeah the singles did not do the album justice at all
oh my God the level of commitment. Your content creations are just always top tier.
thank you!!
Would love to see you do an update on this with some of her more recent moves in the last year. Buy myself flowers, used to be young, etc I think really brought her some mew audiences
miley is the most successful teen pop star that came from disney. she literally sold more than any other act. has more hits and the hits are more memorable. lmfao
See, I don’t agree. In my opinion her hits are not more memorable. She lacks personality sonically.
@@theswiftologist the hits of which pop artist of the disney generation is bigger, more recognizable and memorable than party in the usa, the climb, we cant stop and wrecking ball? everybody knows these songs. if we ask GP one song that they know from miley, everybody has at least one. we cant do the same with selena or demi.
@COZZYVIBEZ be serious for once
@COZZYVIBEZ a hit album dont define you as the biggest baby… when olivia surprass miley in sales, point and tour… we talk… the only thing this girl have is a grammy, but we both know why miley never won one
@@theswiftologist”Miley’s hits aren’t more memorable”
Demi, Selena, Ariana etc don’t have anything close to Party In the USA.
Try again.
I don't think Miley cares about commercial success.. she has reached heights most have never.. I think if she did.. she can easily make another Bangerz type album.. she seems to be content in making music she wants to make. Miley Cyrus in 2022 is a much more respected musician than Demi or Selena.
I find it so interesting seeing this a year later considering Flowers. She smashed it and made her best album yet. Good for her 😊
Would love an update video considering the amazing 2023 that Miley had. What’s particularly gratifying now is seeing her unabashed self-acceptance and perspective on her past. And fewer artists can do a cover better. Metallica’s Nothing Else Matters is incredible.
Great video, but in no universe is Demi a bigger star than Miley! 😂❤
And Selena while becoming the bigger influencer/business women of the three- has not had as successful a music career as Miley.
Loved the video though, they are three queens in their own right!
23:52- AS THE PARENT THAT I AM, if my son grows up to be as analytical on my parenting,AND expressive,and eloquent as you are, I’d be so, so scared.
But also so proud 😳. Great video, never stop.
Just had a huge health scare, and swiftologist videos have been helping me cope with the stress so much - thank you for everything you do ❤❤
miley cyrus might only be the most famous yet so underrated at the same time.
LMAO after multiple attempts, fate has finally allowed this Miley video to be out in this world 🤣😭🙏
finally....FINALLY!
@@theswiftologist thanks for reading my suggestion 😉💪
@@GabrielFerreira-ue8hs thank you for giving it!!
I know it’s a tear later. But I just wanted to say that I have never seen such a big RockStar existing on Earth without any rock music.
Miley the least successful of them three??!!!! R u serious demi is a flop her videos cant reach 10millions views.
Selena sold 7 million albums while miley sold 55 million albums
Plastic hearts supremacyyyy!!!
Miley performing during the Plastic Hearts era is outstanding. She’s a true rockstar!!
her vocals have been TOP notch!
i agree with many points that you make but as long time fan of miley (she is to me what taylor is to you) i disagree with the thought that she may not know who she is or that she needs to focus or stick to something. cause as long time fan i know she just changes with the time and that’s one of the thing that makes her unique as an artist. in the zane lowe interview she says that by the time she drop the midnight sky remix she had already moved on from the song, she no longer felt like that (i bet that this happens to many artists but they simply don’t say it), she also expresses that she feels like she goes to bed like one person and wakes up as another, and even though it probably has something to do with the hole hannah thing i don’t think that is something she is gonna be able to change, she to me is constantly evolving due to what ever is happening in her life. to me the problem comes with the fact that the changes are to fast or inspected and if you are not a long time fan knowing where she is coming from and what is going on it feels fake and out of pocket. As a long time fan i’m just hoping that she stop caring about charts success or what people are gonna think and she does another dead pets where she just experimentes with whatever she is feeling.
(also younger now was a mess cause the label didn’t expect Malibu to be a hit or have any relevancy and when it did they pressured her to make a record, she has said in passing that when she drop Malibu in May she had 4 or 3 songs more and the record came out in September, she would also talk about the record and how she was planning it to be to came out contradicting those plans)
I think we actually agree here....she doesn't have a clear focus haha
@@theswiftologist haahahahahahah yeah but what i was trying to says is that i like her better without focus unlike what i think i understood from the closing of the video where you said she needs a team to help her put all together, but i just said too much and the message got lost in it 😂
your honest analysis is always so interesting, i love the amount of thought you put into every video!
thank you sm abby
selena the most successful? no offense but i think you’re basing this through streams… cus miley ends selena in chart, sales, & overall impact. streams dont pay that much (anyone can get streams these days). miley cyrus is the most successful & i think you are underestimating her. selena couldnt even survive 3 weeks in the top 3 on the charts as compared to miley who spent 32 whole weeks.
Miley has like 20mm monthly’s monthly listeners. Half Miley streams are from features from dance tracks when Spotify first got popular. 70% of Miley streams are from solo performances vs 40% for Selena
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“miley cyrus the least successful musically of demi lovato and selena gómez” ?? you clearly didn’t look at the streaming numbers before you spat that out lmfao miley is ahead of demi and selena with the most listeners on spotify, has a diamond single and a huge legacy, idk why you’re downplaying her musical success from the get go.
in my opinion, she is the least successful musically. not by charts but by artistry. and again that's my opinion. that I shared. on my channel! you don't have to agree :) x
@@theswiftologist u stan artists who can't even sing well
@@adrianoa4305 couldn’t agree more
This was such an interesting video! I watched a lot of Hannah Montana when I was younger, but I never really followed Miley's career after the show, and I'm really only aware of her hits. I do feel really bad for her, because I feel like being on disney, and constantly being in the eye of the public really damaged her childhood, as it's happened to so many other child stars. Plus, being on a channel with such high purity standards is even worse.
so true bestie, Disney is a damaging experience
As someone who grew up in an extremely conservative Evangelical house in Texas, this brings back so many memories. Because of how Disney forced all their stars to pretend to be religious and wear Worth the Wait rings, my mom was okay with me watching their shows until the scandals started really gaining traction. I really hope that Miley wasn't having to deal with deconstructing oppressive religious beliefs on top of everything else she went through.
I just came from a 3 part deep dive on Miley and the last part of this is what I was missing. I was always a fan of Miley. We need a full on documentary of her! ❤
You just deepened what I thought to be an already pretty extensive knowledge about Miley. This added perspectives that are changing how I see my childhood (in a good way, mostly) and omg! I knew I had nostalgic rose colored glasses for some of her work but couldn't quite figure out to what extent but she really was the center of attention for a while. She's an iconic legend and I think she'll have plenty more time in the industry with sufficient success, I hope
it was A MOMENT!!!
Miley is most definitely not the least successful musically speaking.. if we were to actually look at the numbers, that would be demi
Miley Cyrus is the most successful Disney ex-act besides Britney Spears and Selena,Hilary,Demi etc never come close to them.....
I need an update about Flowers. 👏
Miley has kind of a Demi curse where she can’t find exactly who she is. HOWEVER, I loved plastic hearts, I believe it has no skips !!
also, I love the videos analyzing other pop figures
thanks for watching abby!!
I saw you make a comment that these types of videos don't do as well as your other content and that's really unfortunate because this is my favorite kind of content to watch/listen to
Especially with what feels like "niche" content
I hope as long as you keep enjoying it, you'll keep making these types of videos 💖
You got so much wrong in this video lmao .. like i totally understand the point you’re trying to make that her artistry isn’t always that cohesive but you basically say she fell off after Bangerz which is simply untrue.. maybe it’s an american centric attitude you have - but in Europe, Nothing Breaks Like a Heart, Midnight Sky and Prisoner were all giant hits, you’re pulling up info from billboard and your own taste in music and representing it as data.. Plastic Hearts topped the rock charts for 6 weeks and is regarded as her best work and was adored by critics, you’ve creating a false narrative in a lot of your comments.. Saying she’s gained no fans since Hannah Montana when under all of her covers there are 40+ year olds saying they’ve discovered and love her music isn’t realistic. Also claiming she chases features for relevancy is insane , because she is not a feature artist .. and you will find Ariana, Nicki and basically everyone else in the industry do that WAY more. I’m not sure you really have your facts straight, it feels like you have an opinion on Miley that you’re wanting everyone else to agree on but there’s very little to actually back up any of your claims.
this is my channel where I share my opinions lol and this is my opinion, I really don't care if you agree or not...and I certainly don't care enough to convince you otherwise! enjoy x
As a massive Miley fan I need a post ESV update 😂
Update: finished your video! Great job in giving all the highlights for someone who knew of but wasn’t a fan. Very uncomfortable hearing how much Disney really pushed out certain expectations and ideas while trying to aim towards the tween market. I don’t know how someone in Miley position was able to get through being a Peter Pan of sorts for every child of America. Although now I think of it, this explains a lot of how Mary Kate and Ashley must’ve felt like in their heyday and opted immediately out after their last film.
The fact that you think miley is the least successful? She has almost 4 diamond songs in us. She has 1 number 1 hits and iconic songs like pitusa, wrecing ball, we cant stop, the climb. The fact that she CHOSE the path not to sell was her choice.slena and demi do not have such big songs. Besides cool for the summer and lose tou to love me. If miley hadnt released dead petz she would've been up there with ariana but she did release it because shes miley and she does what she wants. Thats why her fans love her
This deep dive was so well done and all-encompassing. Thank you for taking the time. I would be interested in seeing one for Katy Perry's career, whom you have often cast in a victim's light in relation to our girl Tay.
Omg I would LOVE a Katy Perry video, especially because of how horrifically underrated Smile is
Wow! This analysis was impressive. I was captivated and actually learnt a lot about stuff I’ve missed over the years.
thanks for watching taylah :)
Fantastic video! I've followed Miley all throughout her career and was shocked that i got all the references. It was worth the behind the scenes hell to finally get this!
thanks for watching!! I made it for the nostalgic kings and queens...
She's such a legend honestly
I was literally watching this while working yesterday and couldn't comment earlier, but I'd just like to say that was so insightful! I'm usually lurking, but really thank you for creating such high quality content, your videos and the podcast became a part of my routine and I can't get enough of them hahah
Wish u the best, zack!
Feel like Miley could have been such a star and she was but she wasn’t allowed to be normal, she wasn’t allowed to be Miley- only Hannah
not me almost fainting at uni today and watching this in my bed to make myself feel better❤
Omg take care maria
Such a great video, thanks❤❤ I've been loving the Plastic Hearts album, Miley is such a talented artist and I hope one day she'll be able to find AND express her real self with the success she deserves.
If I can have a suggestion, maybe please start showing more pictures in the video, I sometimes feel like I should stop it and Google the images. Anyway, thanks!😍
I think it would be interesting for you to do a Madonna deep dive! Though, it would take quite a bit of time because she has had a 40+ year career but it would definitely be interesting to see! Also, fun fact, Taylor Swift performed with Madonna at the iHeart music awards in 2015 during the 1989 era. Interestingly enough, Taylor said that Madonna's Like a Prayer album helped influence 1989 because of the way Madonna took musical risks and re-invented herself everytime like Taylor did on 1989. It's no coincidence that Like a Prayer was released in 1989. Haha sorry for rambling. Taylor and Madonna are my two Queens. I love how honest you are in your videos and you seem very intelligent so It would be interesting to see you do a Madonna deep dive
Thank you so much for bringing all of this into the light of day ❤😢😢❤
So interesting! Would love to see videos on each the Disney stars, it's fascinating the way you've layed this all out
At first when you were talking about her music career post Disney not being that successful I thought you were kind of underestimating her but after watching the whole video I realized I'm only familiar with her hits. My sister and I were huge Hannah Montana fans and I'm so familiar with all her music from the Disney days that she's possibly even a bigger music star in my head because of that. Also, it's very interesting to me to see how she was perceived by the media and the people in the us cause I live in Greece (and was like 5 to 9 years old at the time lol) and I wasn't aware of how criticized she was.
Side note, not to bring everything back to Taylor but one of my first memories of her is crazier and when she was mentioned in an episode. You've been a swiftie for so long, was Taylor being a part of the Hannah Montana universe a big deal to you at the time?
Aw thanks for watching! Yes I freaked about that lol :)
This video is excellent, EXCELLENT I tell you. I'm from Sweden and not very plugged into what goes down in the American media, this deep dive was so informative. The depressing saga of what was done to Miley and how it ties into purity culture is fascinating insight. This is the commentary I am here for.
There’s a very interesting Miley interview that I think complements this video very well. During the Plastic Hearts era she was interviewed by Zane Lowe from Apple Music, and shares a lot, which is not common for her. The interview is full of highs and lows, just like her career. I love her to pieces, unfortunately I’ve never seen her live before, despite her coming to Brasil 3 times. And just a small correction that does not interfere the least with the excellence of the video, I believe the performance you were referring to towards the end was Lollapalooza 2022 in São Paulo, not Rock in Rio.
Loved the video, congrats!
Great video as always. One thing I don't agree with. I don't think that selena is the best artist to come out of Disney. Miley's songs were always better than selena's and her voice is also a lot stronger. Plastic hearts itself proves that miley was the best Disney talent. Selena might be more famous but that has to do more with the justin bieber couple goals drama than the actual music
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Please let the next video be about katy Perry's witness. Her downfall has always surprised me because it was so sudden. And so you think Taylor Swift had anything to do with witness not being received well by the public?? We all know about the spotify sabotage Taylor did. Love the content. Keep producing it. ❤
So true Kashish thanks for your comment! Yeah I’ll for sure make that Witness video soon :)
Breakout, can't be tamed, younger now and endless summer vacation are my favourite eras of hers. They feel deeply authentic, they talk about her and she gets vulnerable. Its weird to me cuz I had the same phases as her (we are the same age) so I could always relate to her music and where she was mentally.
we need an update to this video in 2024!!!!
She said in "Miles to Go" that she tried doing method acting while in HM, so probably that brought such a major effect on her.
omg she's so funny I HIGHLY doubt she was doing method acting at 14 years old for Hannah Montana, and besides she didn't really need to act.....Miley Stewart was basically her 👀
Very good analysis
Love Miley
Hoping she continues to blossom as an artist
are you going to do a video that dives into Demi and Selena's careers too? this video was so interesting x
yes for sure!! I think I'll do the Selena video next when her documentary comes out
I'd be super interested in your thoughts on Miley's Endless Summer "documentaries." I enjoyed the first one on Disney+ but I was really confused by the Hulu one.
Miley Cyrus is least successful out of these three women? Maybe judging from most mainstream current hits, Selena is above her but taking into account her musical and creative development and all her backyard sessions and rock covers which gained her incredible reach and respect from multiple generations, it's definitely Miley.
My initial pick would be:
1. Miley
2. Selena
3. Demi
Well researched and delivered! Here for the POV and nicely placed “Ray of Light” reference.
thanks for watching!!
I think Miley would do great as a band vocalist
the used to be young single has now made a moment tho idk, i couldn't get thru a listen of the whole album, tho i should probably give it another try
miley less successful musically than demi??
I think Demi is a more consistent artist!
@@theswiftologist true i think she definitely has more of an identity than miley
@@theswiftologist should have worded it differently then. Because that just doesn’t make her „more successful“
@@LaXja-eh3dt I can care less how you want me to word anything. move along
@@theswiftologistthat’s not the same. Because predictable and consistent isn’t Miley but if you talk about successes in music, Miley>>>>
But because she constantly changes and is unpredictable, it’s impossible for her to build brand and fan loyalty. However the kind of artist she is would be considered icon and legends as time passes. Because no one is like her who is carefree and fearless
Thank you this is GOLD. This was amazingly worded and very insightful and I agree on everything except on plastic hearts.
I have never been a huge Hannah Montana or Miles Cyrus fan although I did like the show as a kid and I really like some of her song like Slide Away and Midnight Sky. However, I do think that she just has that natural star power as you said. I don't why but for some reason I have always been rooting for her even during all the hate that she received for wrecking ball for example. I think she is an interesting person and artist that is very likeable and obviously very talented! I hope she will lean more into rock without having to cosplay it and I hope that she will find inner peace within herself as well as with her past. Anyways, thank you so much for the video! You video essays are my favourite videos of yours and I would love an analysis on Selena Gomez and why she is so loved not only by her fans but also by such a wide audience. I also like Selena but I find it interesting sometimes how she was able to become such a well liked person where liking and rooting for her is almost a consensus.
I don't watch these channels anymore, but you would make a fantastic commentator on celebrities and their lives on VH1 and E!
Great job! I really enjoyed this thorough, thoughtful video essay about Miley and this particular time in pop culture. I leaarned a lot.
thanks for watching mary!! I really appreciate it
would love to see this revisited after endless summer vacation
Album flopped, its doing 1M daily streams despite having one of the biggest hits of the decade.
Another great video! 🎉 Would be great to see something similar looking at Selena and Demi.
coming soon for sure!
least successful? the only one with a diamond single and with the most sales
I’m not talking about sales lol.
how else would you measure success?
@@julescitras9071 by the quality of the work…which is what my whole video is about
@@theswiftologist that's not... success, that's your preference
@@julescitras9071 yeah in my opinion, in my video, on my channel. like what were you expecting here? make your own video lol
This was amazing!! You need more followers ❤
Me and my mom love listening to the plastic hearts album ❤😂 love your insights as always 🔥🔥🔥
Bf and I recently listened to miley's whole discography and dead petz and plastic hearts are by far the best. She needs to either make weed albums or go full Rockstar imho.
I think it would be better if you linked the sources mentioned in your video essay.
Keep up the good work, though. Really love hearing your evaluations of the effects of cultural artifacts on society's perception of phenomena of sorts. :)
will ad em in later!!
permanent december is literally one of her best songs ever
Great video, this uncovered a lot of history I did not know about Miley! Unfortunately I disagree with a lots of your opinions on her career success. I dont know if its because Im not from the US, so I cant speak to that, but if you asked me to name 5 Selena and Demi songs or be shot I would be dead 😅 Im not particularly impassioned by either of the 3 but I personally feel Miley has far more cultural relevence. This is only cemented now with her new album. I realise this was made a year ago, but I do believe Plastic Hearts was a moment too. I never watched Disney channel as a kid either, so I guess she has in fact gained new audience.
i never watched Hannah Montana, but i love plastic hearts and seeing Miley in better place
Honestly, I believe that Miley’s time at the spotlight will come again - she has such a natural charisma that translates to her music and singing, and it seems to grow as she ages. A lot of people hate Dead Petz but I love that album. It’s quirky, weird but also so childishly unapologetically truthful and real, eventually so “Miley like” (highlight of that album is Space Bootz for me). Every other attempt for success is held but by a degree of careful marketing calculation. SHE IS COMING has highlights and potential but is ruined by the same thing (DREAM and party up the street are great).
For me Plastic hearts was a disappointment in a way. I love some of the songs that scream MILEY to me (Never be me, Golden G string, Angels like you is a carefully crafted hit).
But eventually it’s still her holding back, taking risks but only halfway, carefully calculated album that brings nothing new to the table. But as you stressed - it’s cohesive. And that’s a major step up and, in a way, a hope for her future albums. No matter what she decides to put out, I am excited to listen to it. After all - she is Miley f*ucking Cyrus.
yes cohesion is certainly a good thing for her. someone else wrote it here, but it's promising that she hasn't written plastic hearts off yet or swung to a new genre altogether. hoping for a smash soon 🤞
I still think lighter is one of her best songs
Dead Petz was ahead of its time
Greetings from Sept 2023! She’s definitely having a moment lately 👏
Omg please update this post Flowers and Endless Summer Vacation release!!!
loving the way the title and cover of this video has changed like three times today lmao
Would love to hear you talk abt Olivia Rodrigo in depth
Miley did not create plastic hearts the album because of heart of glass and how people liked the cover and saw the success of it. If you were a true Miley fan you would know that Some the songs for plastic hearts were going to be in she is Miley Cyrus EP trilogy. Miley songs in plastic hearts like bad karma, Golden g string, hate me, and more were made in 2018-2019. The album was more than finished before heart of glass came out.Miley just decided to do a more rock influenced album which was great because her trilogy of eps we’re gonna have a shit tone of rock either way. Plastic hearts was planned
To further your point, Miley has said in interviews that she changes her mind creatively within months (in BB Talk she also says "I heard I change my mind way too often"), and I imagine that is VERY frustrating to producers and her co-writers who are wondering if the material they worked hard on (and gave their 💲valuable💲 time to) will never see the light of day. If I'm a songwriter/producer, I'd rather work with someone who is more likely to stick with their original vision and consequently put what we worked on on the record. As you said, Miley's impulsivity and the fact she changes as a person every 2 minutes speaks to both childstar trauma and also weak creative vision that hinders her career.
ooooh, good point. yeah there's so much unreleased stuff in that vault of hers and I bet some of it is pretty good....
But I don’t understand how she derailed when he dad was there on the show with her every day. Or did he allow this to happen
Plastic Hearts is definitely her best album in a long time. But I agree, it does feel like some type of alter ego intertwined with her authentic feelings. But it doesn’t feel like the real true Miley. This video was very well done!
thanks for watching!
I'm actually gonna have to defend plastic hearts
I heard tons of songs about being bummed and empty but none have ever felt so true? It's hard to describe but it's one of those moments where you are suddenly given the exact vocabulary to explain what you feel
Full offense taken here I fuckin love Younger Now. Malibu was such an interesting different sounding song that I got addicted to immediately…. The vibes on that album were my exact aesthetic. 😢
Love this video!! Thanks so much for this :)) ❤️
thanks for watching!!
The very first video essay? From MY favorite journalist by day swiftie by choice? It's more likely than you think
it is MORE likely than you think....
Loved this, would love to her your take on her recent music as well!
Younger Now is my fave album of hers 😭
loved this video!!!
Loved this❤
If i can give you a “video review” (now that you are diversifying your content) I would recommend you to include some/more humor and more of your personality in the videos because I think that’s what sets you apart from other content creators!
Or maybe I just in you enjoy your sense of humor, honesty and spontaneity so much. Besides that I found the video very interesting, informative and with a unique perspective!!
thank you Paula!! definitely noted
ugh i just liiiive for your vids. this is an old one, but the youtube algorithm showed me the right vid for once. i honestly only discovered you about 2 weeks ago from people on r/SwiftlyNeutral saying things like “i cant stand this guyyy” under a clip of you but the only reason they disliked you is because you call joe alwyn the heirloom turkey? LMAOO. I enjoy your content greatly even if we don’t see eye to eye on absolutely everything … because i’m 22 & know i don’t have to hate someone just because i disagree with them?
i absolutely love pop culture analysis & your takes are always so refreshing.
another miley vid would be saur kewl, not totally sure what it’d be about, she’s on top of her game rn it seems like?
Loved this! I’m very curious to hear what you think of Endless summer vacation, would you do a video on it?
Have you done any review or chat about Endless Summer Vacation? Would love to hear your take!