Industrial decor wiring - Installing Steel Conduit & Trunking in a house
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 13. 09. 2024
- Steampunk Electrics - Installing Steel Conduit & Trunking
Join me as I do some industrial style electrics in a domestic setting for that "Steampunk" effect.
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Those downlighter junction boxes are obviously another "Whatever was in the back of the van" job.
Better than bare connectors, they made an effort
Anthony charles yeah đ
Dont understand the capping on a finished brick wall, but the galv conduit and trunking looks nice.
Great job once again Jorden. I do like the industrial look.
Nice work, I would like to see some more industrial eclectic conduits work done on new house designs, please share if you have done
I spent 50 years working with ladderrack,heavyweight galvanised tray ,large to small trunking,steel basket and conduit,in fact on a refuge recycling plant in Kent I installed 125 bundles of 25mm galvanised conduit to wire fire alarm cables through and you looked overwhelmed with 1 length of small trunking and about6 metres of conduit,I'm staggered
The two boxes out of level would drive me nuts.
Chris B what are you talking about they are level i used my laser on them
Artisan Electrics they look miles out at 13:09, maybe an optical illusion.
The brickwork is off
I had that problem in a customers kitchen, they said the sockets don't line up, and slated me for it. I also used a laser, when it was plastered it looked perfect lol...humble pie was eaten yum!. But on exposed brickwork like this, yes I can see it's an optical illusion.Sometimes the "real" perspective defies the real level...odd.
Nice work ! Nothing better than doing metal conduit and trunking work
It is rewarding, but it's just straight drops
Anthony charles yea fair enough this was a very simple example but still.....
@@Cablesmith but your right in certain areas metal conduit looks good
I'm having a heck of a time finding examples of surface trunking in my area (or even in the US as a whole) other than the kind of terrible old hack job stuff that I'm all too familiar with in many buildings around me. I want to see the artisan stuff. The modern stuff. The future-proofing stuff.
Nice job. Conduit work is rewarding I find... if time consuming. The outcome was a joy to behold... bet the client's pleased
nice job, should have installed the socket & switches at the same height tho. cheers
Yes and i would have preferred 50x50 instead of the two metal pipes to match the conduit by the door.
@@davidseed2939 matter of taste
The switch and socket may actually be at the same height it could be the brick work that's out??
@@davidseed2939 really, looks neat enough
According to my laser they are the same height
Good video, mateđ
I hate working with old walls like that, trying to get decent fixings is deffo a challenge, especially when they need need to match others horizontally đ±
Metal trunking is an art form to do well. US electricians work with it all the time as EMT conduit, done well on a bare wall it looks great. Nice job though. I need to teach to you how to patch ceilings level 5 finish. Haha, job would have taken twice as long though.
It is an art form especially in the UK, as the manufactured bends we buy are crap and to fit them and make them look good is a skill on its own.
Steel is nice. Good for Fire protection. I like it.
At least they bothered to sleeve the cables.đ§
Great job but why is the trunking lid short on the 50x50 up at the ceiling ?
To get the cable in mate
Lewis Miller yeah thatâs right Lewis
Damn FINE!
Australian living in Thailand, you and EVERYONE would be HORRIFIED with the electrical standards here!
1mm cable for a 5KW shower heater - NO WAY!
Completely rewired our (brand new), home before anything was turned on!
No RCD's, now 5, and they have paid for themselves - brilliant!
Terrific videos, keep up your wonderful work!
Kind regards - Mr Mark in Phuket.
Down lights are always a surprising pain đ those copper ones need a surround to hide the bad fit. X-ray glasses are a must in future. đđ»
Thanks
We make an art out of conduit bending and fitting across the pond in the states. We use in mostly commercial, industrial applications. I was the only guy looking up when I took my family to Disneyland. Looking at the conduit lol.
Some people have weird tastes. How the hell do you leave bare brickwork in that state? Considering how bad the wall is you have done a pretty decent job Jordan. I originally thought they were ripping out the kitchen and applying some new look modern far out thing but to have a normal kitchen and have that going on... not for me!! Lol the old ceiling rose stuffed in the ceiling đđđ Billy bodge it strikes again!
Lovely work Jordan and if I can mangle a well known phrase, "You have made a silk purse out of a sowâs ear " here.
Jordan , please please please mate I've seen it numerous times in the comments from umpteen people it's WAGO (WAY GO) or in Germany (VAY GO) it's not vargo or wargo or any other bleeding go lol đđ» ... Love the videos tho taught me so much cheers mucker .
Bear bacon Grills đ€Ł
He's from Cambridge just his accent
@@steverobinson8170 I'm from Peterborough Cambridgeshire about 45 mins down the road so would assume we would have similar accents đđ»
@@artisanelectrics I know right đ€Ł it's a play on words , in the army we used to eat bacon grills and egg banjos (egg sandwiches) and Bear Grylls being ex military I just used the 2 as a play on words (Bear as in many or lots) bacon grills cos they're amazing . It's mostly only ex military who understand
@@Lineandsinker87 I'm from Birmingham from one side of the city to the other accents are different , i have a proper Brummie accent although it has mellowed somewhat over the years
That wall is jacked up.
The twin red used for the loops between lights is because the apprentice picked up the wrong coil of cable . Had it once where the whole circuit was wired in twin red . Lots of belling out
Looks very smart indeed.
Thanks!
Nice job mate,....
Shame they didn't just plaster that wall đ
wow! nicely done! đ
Geoff Upton thank you
Jordan the job is verry good but the socket looks 30m up and the switch 30mm down if you use the long level 120cm level or 1 meter level between socket and switch top they are not in level
Really neat job , mate đ
I like the upbeat demeanour btw , breath of fresh air compared to others !
hear hear!
I know it's permitted, but I am not s fan of seeing conductors joined inside trunking, I would have put another metal clad box at high level for any cable connections. Looks better than when you started.
I was thinking exactly the same
Great work!
Neat workmanship .
Thank you for doing what you do!
Looking to re-school myself to become an electrician.
Cheers!
Could you of ran the trunking along the top of the wall and had conduit drops? Obviously with trunking end caps?
Shayne Macdonald yeah I would have thought it would look better, then it would have saved patching the ceiling
This seemed to be the majority consensus in his previous video, shame he dsnt go with this option, still done good though
That was my suggestion on the original videos..
@@roydowling2542 yes it was , you were right
There were so many cables that I would have needed about 7 conduit drops to do it that way which would have looked a mess
I hear Mike Holmes "Take it all down!" Looking at that bodged up wiring job.
Like you I'm wondering what else is hiding in the ceiling!
Great looking result đ
Stocks and dies in pristine condition.
Lol and the Hilmor bender.
two 2.5mm Twin & E size is more than 40% of 20mm steel conduit. OD of 20mm is 20mm, wall thickness is 2.3mm, 2.5mm twin & earth size is 9.9-10.6mm width and 5.6-6mm thick, not apply bs 7671. also install method B 23A, group factor 0.8 applied, each conductor Iz equal 18.4A
Nice job. Could you have just used 1 drop on the right hand side with the 1.5 mm cable going through the socket?
Hi Jadan, Another cracking good job nice and neat. I really like the quality of your videos make viewing so much easier. If I may just ask one thing, I presume the cooker cable was 6mm but on the video looked like 10mm what method of joining did you use. crimp or Wago connections? keep up the splended work I look forward to them now.
Hi! Thanks for your comment! The cable was 6mm so I used the large Wago connectors
You did 2 straight lengths of conduit with no bends or sets and said it was fiddly đđ
The only thing I might have asked for differently as a customer is not white switch gear, perhaps black inserts with stainless steel again.
I've seen this done before in "Boutique" style accommodation, it can be used to good effect, it makes the service itself a feature.....but I agree, shame about the brickwork.
Please tell me that the double socket and light switch are level? The video makes them look un-even, same with the conduit brackets.
Not for me but you did a nice job mate and if the customers happy thats all that matters
Do you use your laser level on a tripod of some sort or are you sitting it on the floor?
And I am always interested to know how long you were on site for?
Great vid though as always :D
Switched On I usually sit it on the floor or my step ladder but I do have the tripod which I use when Iâm gonna be using it for extended periods of time. I was on site for 6 hours on this one.
Whenever I'm replacing spotlights, regardless of supplying them or if the customer is, I'll always remove one and measure the opening before anything is purchased so I know there won't be any issues with fitment
Some great work Jordan! During my time on site we used flanged couplers with lead washers to couple boxes and conduit, the lead washer and the larger CSA of the flange improves the earth continuity between the separate pieces of the containment system! I'm not sure if you use them in England?
I believe the brass bushes we use are meant to achieve the same effect. But I'd imagine lead washers would also help with watertightness outdoors?
We do have flange couplers with the lead washers in England. They seem to be a dying trend though. Theyâre slightly more expensive, so I guess people donât like using them anymore? Not sure of the exact reason for not using them all the time.
Network rail spec flanged couplers on all of there works in there buildings.
I use them all the time they look so much better than standard and don't leave the gaps you sometimes get with standard couplers.
Hi like Iâve said on previous videos , never underestimate the things so called sparks will do . I personally would have done the repairs to the ceiling , but thatâs me . I fully understand you my not wish to do so . Conduit work was a major part of our work . School boiler houses , office blocks police stations etc . So one developed a skill in its use 20mm and 25mm plus trunking . Was the norm . One of my last jobs before retirement involved working with an architect working in a bar . All exposed galvanised conduit . Spent hours achieving the look he wonted . Bless him . Had to put my foot down when he said . Why canât I have 3 right angle bends with no through box đ€Ł . Best wishes and kind regards Mike in the U.K. ps so glad Iâm retired đ
Very helpful
it doesnt really matter if the gloves are cut proof if the fingers are exposed, does it?
That redundant cable coming down the wall -- why not remove it entirely, or blank the ends and stuff it up in the ceiling? Seems unnecessary to carry it down in the trunking.
Lovely job looks bang on đ
Thanks đ
Nice Job
don1estelle thanks!
Domestic is a headache
Ive seen somewhere sockets that match the trunking like a galvanized look but of course they more expensive they would of worked well here. looks Good as is tho
realy nice job
andrew berry thanks!
Cracking video, very interesting. The end result is very stunning, compared to what it was like before.
Look at me, watched it already
james garnett awesome!
@@artisanelectrics nice install jordan
Did you hire the cutting/bending table?
They're quite pricey.
I did something similar in a log cabin the client had as a arcade with steel conduitđ
what if the cables shorted out and touched the metal cover strip, would it not then become live and could give someone a good boot??
The metal conduit/trunking is earthed through it's connection to the metal boxes. So a fault should trip the breaker.
how did you get the two 25mm cables into the 20mm steel conduit? iâm wanting to do the same in my man cave but iâm worried iâm gonna buy it and i wonât be able to get two cables inside them.
The trunking and steel conduit are exposed conductive parts. Not extraneous.
Canât remember whether old colours is like new colours twin brown T&E , if you look at the end of the cable one core has a white ring under the brown Sheath and the other core is solid brown all the way through the sheath đ€Ș
Cool thanks
That will be some thick plaster on that wall to cover that conduit....
So there is no need to put steel conduit and trunking to capping or conceal the cables. that is to say no need to update from capping to conduit or trunking, just timber frame and plaster board. painting with the same colour with adjacent wall.
I saw a pink fridge, i did
Yep!
Nice, just one note @11:53 don't see grommet in the cut out in the back of the box .... Don't know .. Might be talking b...x
I wondered about that... but if the hole in the wall is smaller and the hole is deburred... with a proper cast box, there's little chance of damage. The thick wall requires a special grommet. I'd be tempted to use intumescent mastic to seal the hole.
Just after other electricians thoughts on this, I have a client that wants me to quote for a rather large new build electrical install. They won't it to be automated with Niko home control system..
Would you guys tackle this? the installer guide is 194 pages and it seems a little specialist, I have an idea but not 100% confident I would know what I'm doing, without some prior experience..I get the impression as an electrian the client expects this is something I should know how to do
Suggest to the customer they look into Loxone system instead
Looks like the kitchen fitters wired the lights in anything goes with them guys
Yep đ€Šââïž
Yeah probably picked up a roll of red/red without realizing it. But they must be high class kitchen fitters to have bothered to tape the neutrals blue LOL
We used to use twin red, and it's easily done picking up the wrong drum no matter how careful you are, and of course it's too late when you realise, on second fix.
@@acelectricalsecurity True... it'd be fine by regs to oversleeve... never thought of it that way. But the install's still shocking (heh)
Another great video but how did you join the cables in the trunking? Latest regs suggests maintenance free, in an enclosure, in the trunking? Or am I wrong? How do others feel about extending singles in trunking? Ideally a connection box connected to the trunking but not aways practical as in this video. Thoughts?
Its accessible for maintenance, so however you like
The trunking serves as an enclosure so I just used wago connectors inside the trucking
I am with you, I hate opening trunking to find singles or other cables jointed, but as far as I am aware it's permitted, I would have put another box high level and done the connections in that.
The gloves might be cut proof but your exposed fingertips are not. :) Awesome video as always dude. Many thanks.
Haha thanks!
Must admit, they don't make sense to me, as you have exposed fingers
I use very similar ones on the railway... The rules say we must wear cut level 5 rated gloves.... But then we have to do fiddly cable terminations. These work well for that
These gloves are not cut proof they provide cut protection đ Our gloves are colour coded to show the level of cut protection, red - low cut protection, amber - medium cut protection, and green - high cut protection. The exposed fingertips allow for more dexterity when you are working on tasks which require more detail and agility, allowing you to still carry out your job effectively. View our full range here: shop.traffiglove.com/
I'm wondering if you've ever used the Greenbrook 'backless' metal saddles? I was unsure at first use, but they have since become my saddle of choice. Cons are each saddle point has two fixing holes to drill but the pros are you can make up whole sections offer up and level all in one process and there is little or no gap behind the pipe to gain purchase on.
Marcus Shipley no never tried them donât like the idea to be honest
@@artisanelectrics yeah I was exactly the same; I had to use them the first time as a client stipulation, but I soon found them to be amazing especially where complex bends and double sets were required in close proximity. They also negated the need for running couplers where there'd have been quite a few and are a much sturdier fix all around!!
btw it really makes me mad that in the UK you guys bury down the cables into the masonry without flex conduits, it makes me go nuts, if you need new wires you will have to break the wall, you cant pull more of it, you cant change anything. i can't wrap my head around that.
More money for us sparks that wayđ
I don't like to knit pick but wouldn't the downlights lose their fire rating capability if the holes were to big for them?
steve quinsee maybe...
Fire rating the ceiling doesn't apply if upstairs is the same dwelling.
downlighters should be delegalized by far the most bodged electrical item in the UK
Nice electrical work, Jordan but that brickwork is đ€ź
Mark Rowland yeah đ€·ââïž
The brickwork underneath was garbage, the customer should have kept the plastered wall.
Bricks aint bad. They should have replaced broken bricks and repointed first and it would have looked nice
Great videos, but be mindful not to confuse guys 7 are yet to take assessments.
12mins 13 seconds you referred to the containment as extraneous parts. Obviously you meant exposed parts.
There's also trunking available which permits to put in outlets, switches, network outlets, phone outlets and such stuff. The trunking has a C-rail inside which carries the devices. For example Hager Tehalit.
www.hager.de/neuheiten/tehalit.br65/flexibler-geraeteeinbau/923046.htm
There's almost everything available, even Commando sockets...
In homes they're uncommon here. But in offices and in the industry they're quite common here in Germany because it's a very flexible system.
There are plenty of such trunking systems available in the UK too, but much more common in offices. The would not really suit the industrial look of that bare brick wall where metal-clad and galvanised works well (although black, rather than white insulated inserts on the sockets would have looked better in my view).
@@TheEulerID I don't know if you got such stuff in the UK, but here you can get new production of old bakelite outlets, switches and such stuff. Even modern connectors like RJ-45 and TAE phone connectors.
I love the old surface mounted rotary switches, the sound when you operate them...but the prices are pretty steep!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAE_connector
Those gloves arenât cut proof. They are traffi gloves. Green are the cut proof ones but you loose dexterity using them. We use them on our jobs, red, orange and green all have different levels of cut protection and you can see from a distance if the lads have the correct gloves on for the task
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Brilliant video as always. I'd love to be your trainee as I've just completed my level 3.
I've never been able to work out the answer to this, but when earthing containment do you need to size the conductor based on the largest circuit or not, as eg the trunking carrying the 6mm (presumably 32A) cooker circuit only has a 1/1.5mm CPC earthing it through the lightswitch?
The exposed conductive part should be earthed in such a way as to achieve ads with the most onerous circuit enclosed within đ your correct i believe.
tomorichard Thompson if it goes under the floor screed do you need to treat it as extraneous and put 10 mm bonding to it I wonder. Never really thought about that.
Interesting this, I'm thinking that the metal work Jordan put in is not really going to have much earth potential as it doesn't go into the ground at all, only into the wall a bit which is not likely to offer much so it's not actually an extraneous part at all. Or have I got that all wrong. You could test this I suppose.
You never run separate bonding wires to earth containment, it's not required, it you use tray or basket your cables are double insulated so it's not required, with conduit and trunking it's earthed through the accessories. In 6mm it's a 2.5mm cpc.
@@jamesdyas542 extraneous means external of origin, so you wouldn't be importing a potential, that only happens when you fetch metallic objects or services in from outside which are earthy as they could be at a different potential to your main earth, hence why they are connected together, and we did this for years when our services were plastic, and have now seen the light.
You jointed the cooker cable đ„Ž
No difference with jointing any cable if done properly, looks like he had no choice
Lewis Templeman ...there is always a choice...if it were me the 6/10mm joints would never be hidden in trunking, they would be in accessible boxes. Next sparks doesnât know there are multiple joints in the trunking. And as for the size of earthing to lighting box...nah...not your your best work Jordan. If you came across that you would not pass the installation...be honest. Might is not right.
@@robinmyman Robinmyman...If the faceplate of the 50mm trunking is removed, and tools will be necessary to do that, the jointed cables will be visible to any spark. All looks good to me.
Tony Ellender How many joints in a 10mm T&E would you be comfortable with? And the earthing?
@@robinmyman That trunking is fully accessible.
The switch height and socket height looks off đ
Utting 6 I laser leveled so should be correct
Ha, those twin reds are no different to the swa cable you use. Bit of tap on the ends thatâll do!
Mowl 63 yeah but because they are both red how do you know which wire is which at the other end?
@@artisanelectrics It used to be in 16th edition the colour had to be the same along the whole length of the cable, relax the regs and thats what happens. Only top blokes used twin red for switch wires. Guess they had some left over!
Those Dow lights are truly horrible!
Steve Bloxham yep
easy to criticise but your conduit saddle spacing is pants..
Did you put a bush in the hole in the hole you drilled in the terminal box?
Thomas Haugh yes đ
Rewire. Stick in on the bill
Barry Britcher yep
Wouldnât a 100 x 50 trunking have made things easier and the
Given more room for the cables?
Gd video, but those gloves, cut proof but pointless when u cut your finger off with the grinder.
Grant Patterson đ
Grant Patterson
Not many gloves are grinder blade proof, so......just make sure you donât try to cut your fingers off when using a grinder đ€Šââïž
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Surprised not to see brand new Makita chop saw
Ideally needs rewiring
Bit misleading title 'steampunk Electrics ' where are the gages clocks etc....its simply metal conduit nothing close to steampunk style ..... good video otherwise.
Your work is fine, but that looks bloody awful. No accounting for taste with some people's house designing.
Anglo Fire đ€·ââïž
I thought that looked excellent against the brickwork.
Everyone's tastes are different. I for one, when I get a house will rewire the whole house with surface mount steel conduit, exposed water pipes, etc... I just love the industrial look. And all steampunk style fittings with gauges and fake valves on the wall.
you you tube electricians make the simplest job sound such a ball ache!!!
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Steam punk electronics is an oxymoron. Electricity has no place in steam punk..."STEAM" is the clue !
borin pal