@@sapphirex6156 Humans are just incredibly advanced animals. Our "desires" are, in reality, just more advanced expressions of evolutionary instinct. Not to mention, many animals have expressed things like emotions and desires. If humans have souls, so would every other animal on planet Earth. As for the Geth, Legion has shown itself capable of feeling emotions (why it repaired itself with the N7 armor) and desires. If feeling emotions and desires is a requirement for a soul, Legion at the very least would have one
A Dextro race with next to no immune system, who don't have a homeworld anymore, who send their people on pilgrimage when they come of age to bring something useful back to the Flotilla. Sounds pretty interesting to me.
What’s interesting is that legion has more software than most Geth and basicaly achieved what they sought, an individual unit gaining sentience, and didn’t notice
He wasn't really. It's not after he gets the reaper code that he realizes he gained true consciousness. At this point he's one step below achieving true consciousness, he is self aware but his control and data access is limited, so he exists in the "now" but needs further assistance from the rest of the geth consensus to reach decisions and obtain old information.
A single Geth mobile platform already has a hundred inside of it. Do you know how many you kill just in Mass effect 1 alone, if you're extra thorough and visit every planet and do every mission? XD
Radicaldanny That is incorrect, you do not kill the geth, only their platforms. Geth intelligences are in platforms remotely but are actually stationed and stored in data hubs. Any platforms that you destroy are only material losses for the geth. Once the platform is destroyed the geth intelligences will be transferred back to the data hub or into a nearby platform. You only really kill geth by destroying the data hubs/servers.
No they are in the mobile platforms, they merely transfer upon death of the platform If Legion dies in the suicide mission, they say they are looking for a carrier yet no carrier is found to upload to. If you kill all the Geth in the area, there are no more places to upload to. Thus the Geth programs die.
Radicaldanny Legion is a separated mobile platform, the only thing he transmits to the geth consensus is data. He dies at the collector base because he is a personality created by his platform and combination of programs. His personality is the only thing that dies, not the programs. His platform is the only one able to contain his personality. The other ones will be transmitted back to the closest server if there are no other mobile platforms nearby.
2:36 - 2:38 In that brief pause, one can see on his face how he is downloading information from the consensus. Just look him closely... Brilliant work, devs.
I realize this is obvious but i still wanna state it, it still messes with me the fact i didnt notice this the first time. When legion is talking its not a single voice but multiple at the same time.
He’s the first Geth with conscience independent of the grand network and his sacrifice at the end of ME3 to give all the other Geth intelligence is beautifully poetic
I know im 9 years late but i Guess each geth programm is like a 'neuron'. Yes alone they are cells and do stuff, but Only when you have them connected you get a brain. and the more neurons the more possible synapsis
What all these sci-fi stories have taught me is that if a true Sci-fi AI ever asks me if it has a soul, the absolute wrong answer is "no." ...idk what the *right* answer is. But I aint saying 'no.'
Only thing I don't get is the Geth are considered sentient, but at no point is a Quantum Blue Box mentioned, which is considered necessary for AI in the Mass Effect Universe.
.....Wait I just realized. Legion is the only platform made for communication with organics. How does the older Geth model communicate with the Quarian?
The older geth units had benn made by organics for organics, so of course they were able to communicate with them. Modern units on the other hand were made by geth themselves and aren't supposed to talk to organics at all, so geth just didn't bother with making them speak
The geth communitcate far faster so there was no need for then to ‘talk.’ Back then thy had to communicate with the quarans so they needed to talk. I assume the ability to talk was thrown out because of inefficiency.
Legion sounds more alive than Shepard does. Mark Meer, if you're reading this... Dude, I know you worked hard but, seriously, let's have some more emotion in the next one, assuming they're bringing you back for it.
Apparently Mark Meer was just a placeholder for a different voice actor in ME1, but he ended up being the final voice anyway. I like his performance, Shepard sounds like a matter-of-fact military man, and it makes his threats sound all the more threatening.
Legion said "we're all geth". Then he said "Hubs contain millions of geth". Those two sentences logically contradict. Legion changes the meaning of the word geth from nonheretic geth to heretics.
Legion: *replays audio recording that sparked war between organics and machines*
Shepard: THAT'S INTERESTING BUT I GOT SHIT TO DO.
Man has like 8 endorsements to do on the citadel that day, leave him alone, it’s stressful
@@Glassandcandy and 3 reporters to punch
That part always gets me. That opened up such a possibility for continued conversation.
wow shepherd, passing off the arguably most important event in the geth-quarian history
When that Geth asked if it had a soul and that Quarian shutting it down like that... That made me kind of sad.
"That's interesting, but I must get back to my duties"
Sergeant Dornan You heartless Bosh'tet.
No one has a soul so no difference
@@sapphirex6156 Humans are just incredibly advanced animals.
Our "desires" are, in reality, just more advanced expressions of evolutionary instinct.
Not to mention, many animals have expressed things like emotions and desires.
If humans have souls, so would every other animal on planet Earth.
As for the Geth, Legion has shown itself capable of feeling emotions (why it repaired itself with the N7 armor) and desires. If feeling emotions and desires is a requirement for a soul, Legion at the very least would have one
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim Living beings have souls, machines don't. We are natural creations; they aren't.
Edi's lines are very interesting. If you can process thought and communicate at light speed, then a few minutes of silence might feel terribly lonely.
Legion is by far, along with Tali, Mordin and EDI the most interesting characters in Mass Effect.
Paulo Brasil How is Tali interesting?
A Dextro race with next to no immune system, who don't have a homeworld anymore, who send their people on pilgrimage when they come of age to bring something useful back to the Flotilla. Sounds pretty interesting to me.
That is the quarians as a race, it has nothing to do with Tali in particular.
Tali is interesting. She seems interested in other races while being very loyal to her own.
Paulo Brasil if not the best
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Geth: *asks if it has a soul
Quarian: *nervous sweating*
What’s interesting is that legion has more software than most Geth and basicaly achieved what they sought, an individual unit gaining sentience, and didn’t notice
Throughout Legion began showing signs of emotion as well...and didn't notice.
Wendillon he didn’t even know why he chose Shepard’s n7 armor time patch his hole..multiple gets inside one unit made a working brain..
If you think of each program as a neuron then it is likely Legion gained a subconscious by accident.
He wasn't really. It's not after he gets the reaper code that he realizes he gained true consciousness. At this point he's one step below achieving true consciousness, he is self aware but his control and data access is limited, so he exists in the "now" but needs further assistance from the rest of the geth consensus to reach decisions and obtain old information.
"It was the first time they were fightened when we asked"
"Thats cool and all but i must go"
Shepard at the end was like: "Wow, that's crazy, man. I should get back to it"
Legion: ..the number of geth heretics you killed was likely much higher than you imagined.
Shepard: Hell yeah, raising the kill count!
A single Geth mobile platform already has a hundred inside of it.
Do you know how many you kill just in Mass effect 1 alone, if you're extra thorough and visit every planet and do every mission? XD
Radicaldanny That is incorrect, you do not kill the geth, only their platforms. Geth intelligences are in platforms remotely but are actually stationed and stored in data hubs. Any platforms that you destroy are only material losses for the geth. Once the platform is destroyed the geth intelligences will be transferred back to the data hub or into a nearby platform. You only really kill geth by destroying the data hubs/servers.
No they are in the mobile platforms, they merely transfer upon death of the platform
If Legion dies in the suicide mission, they say they are looking for a carrier yet no carrier is found to upload to.
If you kill all the Geth in the area, there are no more places to upload to. Thus the Geth programs die.
Radicaldanny Legion is a separated mobile platform, the only thing he transmits to the geth consensus is data. He dies at the collector base because he is a personality created by his platform and combination of programs. His personality is the only thing that dies, not the programs. His platform is the only one able to contain his personality. The other ones will be transmitted back to the closest server if there are no other mobile platforms nearby.
2:36 - 2:38 In that brief pause, one can see on his face how he is downloading information from the consensus. Just look him closely...
Brilliant work, devs.
I'd like a whole movie about Quarian-Geth, from just a few days before the "Geth" asked. Done well, which is hard, it would be great.
great videos on legion dialogs man, legion is one of the best character in video game history.
Shepard after hearing a recording of one of the most important moments in galactic history: "Neat"
There's a lot to learn about ourselves listening to Legion and EDI.
This>the whole story of Andromeda
Perhaps, but this is in the second game in the trilogy. I sure would like to know more about the Scourge and the Jardaan.
@@Milamberinx Me too.
I realize this is obvious but i still wanna state it, it still messes with me the fact i didnt notice this the first time. When legion is talking its not a single voice but multiple at the same time.
His voice is awesome
02:30 EDI is Windows Vista
facts
He’s the first Geth with conscience independent of the grand network and his sacrifice at the end of ME3 to give all the other Geth intelligence is beautifully poetic
You know that scene in ghostbusters when they ask if they were gods
Should of told them yes might’ve save there lives
I'm afraid I won't need to replay the remastered trilogy... Because I watched like, every little bit of ME on CZcams by now
I know im 9 years late but i Guess each geth programm is like a 'neuron'. Yes alone they are cells and do stuff, but Only when you have them connected you get a brain. and the more neurons the more possible synapsis
What all these sci-fi stories have taught me is that if a true Sci-fi AI ever asks me if it has a soul, the absolute wrong answer is "no."
...idk what the *right* answer is. But I aint saying 'no.'
I wonder what would happen of you upload that Sheppard VI to legion
I remember having horrid flashbacks to the ExoGeni VI when he mentioned them.
Imagine Stupid Machine × 1000, krogans couldn't fight that.
Only thing I don't get is the Geth are considered sentient, but at no point is a Quantum Blue Box mentioned, which is considered necessary for AI in the Mass Effect Universe.
It's a bunch of non-sapient programs that work together to make a working sapient mind.
.....Wait I just realized. Legion is the only platform made for communication with organics. How does the older Geth model communicate with the Quarian?
Those were agricultural units. Legion and other Geth you meet are combat units.
The older geth units had benn made by organics for organics, so of course they were able to communicate with them. Modern units on the other hand were made by geth themselves and aren't supposed to talk to organics at all, so geth just didn't bother with making them speak
The geth communitcate far faster so there was no need for then to ‘talk.’ Back then thy had to communicate with the quarans so they needed to talk. I assume the ability to talk was thrown out because of inefficiency.
You know the geth in Mass effect reminds me of the vex in Destiny
DAMN BRO! I knew I wasn`t the only one
Yeah with a bit of Israel/Palestine conflict😬but interesting fiction nevertheless🙂
Uhhhh Unit 431. Dark stuff there.
Drom 0:34 That's to real, modern AI software does this.
2020 cant be worse
Legion sounds more alive than Shepard does. Mark Meer, if you're reading this... Dude, I know you worked hard but, seriously, let's have some more emotion in the next one, assuming they're bringing you back for it.
Kinda explains why so many people prefer Femshep. Jennifer Hale did a great job.
Apparently Mark Meer was just a placeholder for a different voice actor in ME1, but he ended up being the final voice anyway. I like his performance, Shepard sounds like a matter-of-fact military man, and it makes his threats sound all the more threatening.
Legion said "we're all geth". Then he said "Hubs contain millions of geth". Those two sentences logically contradict. Legion changes the meaning of the word geth from nonheretic geth to heretics.
Not really.