Jesus answered, "...'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS' " John
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- The 2 options for Jesus quoting Psalm 82:6 against the Jews accusing Him of blasphemy are this:
1) Jesus is justifying calling Himself the Son of God (and saying "I and the Father are one" John 10:30), by saying there are many "gods", therefore watering down the meaning of "the Son of God" and trying to sneak His way out of their accusation of blasphemy.
2) Jesus is deliberately quoting a verse about false judges against His accusers, therefore telling them they are false judges for accusing Him of blasphemy and He is also telling them they will die like men and fall away like any of the princes, as Ps 82:7 says.
The 1st option is just self-justification (not Christ's style) and He would be quoting a verse where Yahweh is being sarcastic against false judges who would die like men and fall like any of the princes... which wouldn't be a very valid point at all. The 2nd option, Jesus, in the face of death, fearlessly tells the Jews (who have stones in their hands) they are false judges, will die and will be judged by the true Judge. One option has Jesus using a bad excuse and the other option has Jesus being Himself: fearless, never backing down, even in the face of death. Hehe :-)
Always read the context. Read all of Psalm 82. It is short. Psalm 82 is being addressed to the unrighteous judges of Israel. Jesus was indeed claiming to be God in John 10:28 and John 10:30, as the Jews figured out in John 10:33. But Jesus was not committing blasphemy, because He is God and God cannot blaspheme. So therefore these Jewish opponents of Jesus were false judges. In John 10:34, He then quotes a Scripture about false judges against them: He quotes Psalm 82:6, but take note of verse 7:
[6] I said, "You are gods,
And all of you are sons of the Most High.
[7] "Nevertheless you will DIE LIKE MEN
And FALL like any one of the princes." (Psalm 82:6-7, NASB, emphasis added)
Verse 7 proves Yahweh is being sarcastic against these unjust judges in verse 6. Of course Jesus knew all of this.
The 1st option would be a silly response by Jesus because He would be trying to make a point while missing the context of Psalm 82, whereas the 2nd option would be an ingenious, thought-provoking response.
If Jesus was just a man or an angel, He would indeed be blaspheming in John 10:28-30. But thankfully Jesus is indeed God, therefore He cannot blaspheme. Jesus, as God, had every right to say what He said in John 10:28-30, but if Jesus is a creature, the Jews had every right to stone Him for blasphemy.
John 10:28 compared with Deuteronomy 32:39:
" and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. " (John 10:28, NASB)
" 'See now that I, I am He,
And there is no god besides Me;
It is I who put to death and give life.
I have wounded and it is I who heal,
And there is no one who can deliver from My hand. " (Deu 32:39, NASB)
Jesus says "I give eternal life", Yahweh says "I give life". Jesus says, "no one will snatch them out of My hand" and Yahweh says "there is no one who can deliver from My hand". Pure coincidence? Or did Jesus know exactly what Deuteronomy 32:39 said? And was therefore claiming to be Yahweh?
After verse 36, Jesus continues to claim to be God and the Jews still wanted to arrest/kill Him:
[37] If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; [38] but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." [39] Therefore they were seeking again to seize Him, and He eluded their grasp.
Jesus does the very works of the Father, which proves His claim that "the Father is in Me, and I in the Father". Again, claiming equality with God.
John 10:28-36 also proves that the Lord Jesus Christ's claim to be "the Son of God" means a claim to deity. Jesus equally has the same nature as His Father. That's what it means to be a son. A being always begets the same being. God CANNOT beget an angel. That would be an abomination. Man begets man, and God begets God:
" No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. " (John 1:18, NASB)
My video about John 10:30:
• Does John 10:30 prove ...
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" Christians that have not been brainwashed by false doctrine will tell you 325 was the dial nail in the coffin"
Give me ONE quote from the early church fathers stating that they believed Jesus was a created being. I can give you heaps stating He is GOD, eternal and Creator.
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Once again a clear separation between. GOD, and his servant Jesus.
That’s what happens when people like you misinterpret the scripture!
Psalms 82.6 doesn't have anything to do with what jesus said. How convenient you left out psalms 82.1 saying that God is was in the midst of the Divine Council with the other gods telling them how they really messed up leading up to verse 7 that because of their actions they will die like men. Doesn't make any sense you saying that a man will die like a man and men cannot be in the spiritual realm in the Divine Council.
william lay please explain
Actually John 5:41 says, "I do not RECEIVE GLORY from men". Why? Because Jesus receives glory from God the Father. Jesus also says, "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son" (v22). What does this mean? The Father never judges? Nope. Just as Jesus can do "nothing of Himself", the Father also can do nothing of Himself. The Father CAN'T judge without the Son. All v19 is talking about is that the Son is in perfect union with the Father: NOT independent.
We are all infinite we are all sons of God and we are all gods and creators
You are right that we are gods, but we are not creators. We are nothing but mudd that filled with God's breath, it is what made us alive for eternity. Gbu
Jesus received the authority; those considered worthy; will also sit on the throne of GOD.
Revelation 3:21 Those who are victorious will sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne.
Revelation 2
26‘He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS; 27AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, as I also have received authority from My Father;
my question is whether God is not beyond our (human) understanding? How can we even try to imagine God, the infinite...except to say that we must be part of God if God is omnipresent...thus nothing can exist outside of God ? Therefore we are all of God, and we are sons of God....yes we will die (your reference to Verse 7) because we live in physical bodies, but we know we have an eternal life outside and beyond our physical bodies. Surely...
Neil N Dr we can imagine God, because He has spoken. He has revealed Himself in scripture and through the Holy Spirit. We can't fully comprehend Him, but we can comprehend that which He has revealed to us. Just because God is omnipresent, that doesn't mean everything and/or everyone is God. It simply means God the Father is spaceless and timeless. Hs isn't confined to physical space/time the way we are. There is a God, and you're not Him.
@JoeyStewart1990 Actually there is no definite or indefinite article in front of "Son of God" in John 10:36 in the Greek text.
this is very profound and meaningful to me and for those of us who are trying to be like Christ and walk in his footsteps its very encouraging too.
thank you for this video! it really cleared these verses up for me.
@JoeyStewart1990 Okay. Let's apply that principle to a few verses in John chapter 1:
-John 1:6 would have to read "There was a man sent from a god"
-And in John 1:12-13, it would be saying those who receive Christ become children of a god.
-John 1:18 would have to read "No one has seen a god at any time"
Silly isn't it? All of those instances refer to God the Father NOT "a god". Jesus is not just a son of God. He's THE Son of God. Which means equality. Read John 5:18.
Thank You very much for explaining this in context.
Acts 7:55But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
There is a clear separation between, Jesus and our father GOD.
Acts 2:36"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
GOD has made JESUS Lord and Messiah. Again GOD is separate.
Also in Acts 7 Stephen prays to the Lord Jesus which proves Stephen believed Jesus is God (Acts 7:59).
I am a god
Golfwang714 God said you shall have no other gods before Him, you sir are no god. Psalm 82:7 says But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
no he is a god, did you just watch the video at all?
Golfwang714 nope
wtf arguing with Lucifer 🤣 Lucifer is leading you to Jesus the way the truth and the life! xDDD He's even quoting King James! * I died * wat is goin on Luci?
Here's a quote from Ignatius of Antioch, the disciple of John and also ordained by Simon Peter:
" There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first passible and then impassible, even Jesus Christ our Lord. " -Ignatius of Antioch (110 AD)
Jesus never says it's a parable. He quotes Abraham talking to a rich man in Hell, in torment, after the rich man dies. And begs for resurrection. How blind can one be?
@miss3v3lyn Scripture is clear that there is only one true God, YHWH. But to all who receive Christ are adopted into the family of God as His children and heirs (John 1:12-13).
It doesn't mean Son is equal to God. Ps. 8. 5; "For thou hast made him but LITTLE LOWER than GOD, And crownest him with glory and honor". We don't know what was status of Son of God as a Perfect Man before the world was created. We don't know about status of Adam and Eve before they have sinned. We don't even know about our status in the future as Christians. The Logos indeed was God, became Flesh, but never stopped to be a God - that's the secret, but Son is a Man. JESUS is both: God and Man.
@CristoYcruz John 5:19 is a very strong verse in support of Christ's true deity. He has the ability to do everything the Father does? If the Father is Almighty, what does that make the Son?
@CristoYcruz Yahweh's name is defined in scripture most notably in Yahuwchanan 1: 3"All things through Him were caused to exist, and separately of Him, not even one thing that has come into existence did come into existence." Yahweh is the 3rd person singular male imperfect tense hophal conjugation of the verb HaYaH (to be) which is a weak verb ending in H, and follows the pattern for such verbs textbook perfectly, and it means "He causes to exist/become". Other versions don't have this meaning.
The Verse use to read "Is it not written in your book, yea say yea are gods? Jesus Ask Them I was copying & pasting the verse when it changed on my Bible. I noticed the hidden books the pope says we can't read, not canon or what ever, they did not change.
Thank you sir! Peace!
Jesus said "before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58) And the Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God in the next verse.
Jesus said "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30) And the Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God in verse 33.
Jesus said "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." (Rev 22:13). GOD says this in Rev 1:8, Is 44:6 and 48:12.
Also read John 5:17-18. Jesus claimed to be equal with God. And God is not a "Trinity of beings".
Very, very, very well said thank you for this informative point of view.
(...cont) And why are you calling the Greek manuscripts forged? The New Testament is the most accurate and textually pure ancient document in the history of mankind. Scholars have it as 99.7% textually pure. That is super, super accurate for an ancient document.
@CristoYcruz The human flesh of Jesus died, not His divine nature. That's how Paul can say the Lord of glory was crucified. ("Lord of glory" obviously affirms Jesus is Yahweh.)
His divine nature is eternal. No beginning and no end. There are plenty of verses which prove Jesus has no beginning. Of course John 1:1-3, Col 1:15-17, Rev 22:13 stand out.
In Col 1:17, it says in Jesus all things hold together. Do all things hold together in an angel or a created being? Of course not.
@CristoYcruz Easy. His name's meaning is what Yahuwchanan 1:3 says. That means Yahweh is the true rendition because His name means this and it's confirmed there. Likewise, Yahuwshua is also defined in scripture in Romans 10:12 For about this, there is not a difference between a Yâhuwthíy or a Greek, for the same Yâ´hu, the Sovereign of all of them, is Shúa` (riches, deliverance) for all of those who invoke Him, since: everyone who shall have called on the name of Yâ-hwéh, he shall be rescued!
In the book "Conversations with God" the writer a (freemason) has this all wrong and has written a few books stemming from here that- one is their own God!
Everyone who OBEYS GOD is ONE with GOD.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE in us: that
the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Luke 3:38 the son of Adam, the son of God.
JESUS/ADAM are called Son of GOD, and also MAN.
Isaiah 45:5 Besides Me there is no God
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man that he lie, neither the son of man
1 Cor 8:6 for us is ONE God, the Father, from all things came; and is one Lord, Jesus Christ
@JoeyStewart1990 We are NOT just as important as Jesus. Jesus created the universe (Heb 1:2, Col 1:16). Yes all Christians are children of God, but Jesus is THE Son of God. Which was a claim worthy of death to the Jews:
† The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God.” † (John 19:7, NASB)
He called Himself the Son of God in a very special way, not in a general way. Jesus is the only way to the Father (John 14:6).
clear as an ice...I and the father are one..simple words..you don't understand?
What do you mean go "back" to Christ? Go back to YOUR Christ? A created angelic being thing? And since when did I ever belong to that Christ or believe in that Christ? How can I go back to something I've always regarded as fiction? I'm not going to put my faith in an angelic creature for my eternal life. I'm NOT going to serve or love an creature as you do. My Lord and Savior who died on the cross for me is my Creator and God in the flesh.
Hey, Brothers! Here's an interesting truth to consider. Not trying to be all prideful, arrogant, egotistical or self-righteous as are some of the family members previously. I have a motto that works wonders for this kind of stuff. "No need to hate over debate" Debate is good, look at things from a different perspective and allow others to do the same, encourage one another. Let's not become so legalistic as to share no grace. We don't really need another denomination, those are just keeping folks distracted from joy and peace. We truly only operate with in 2 spirits, either love or fear, (every other "label" falls under one of those ), My views have changed dramatically over the years, being a true seeker, somewhat like Thomas I suppose.But here's a simple fact, there's no such name as "Jesus" in the language that he spoke. Non-debatable, the same language is still spoken today and you just CAN NOT have a name like Jesus. I would tell why but I think you need to go there yourself. Since the non-existence of the name "Jesus" is easily proven then you could move on to the heavier stuff, Like why they took out certain scripts. added a lot to what already existed during what we know as the reformation. The "Christian men removed them when breaking away from the Catholics, I had the privilege of attending a leading Bible College, (languages, Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic etc... were a great study and eye opener)Why not start there, and then go to one of the other books, that men removed from the scriptures, Like maybe Enoch. Mind blowing stuff in there. So much so, that even after 2 decades as a Pastor, worship leader, Missions around the world, kind of man, I had this awesome vision/dream while in my quiet morning time with the only true God, challenging every thing I THOUGHT I knew, I was sold out on Christianity, like I said, Lead worship around the world, preached to thousands upon thousands. Not brgging just qualifying myself. hehe. Then when God finally allowed me to see the truth I was completely baffeled but the Holy SPirit gave me peace about it, confirmation even and I have spent the past 7 years or so in an exilerating transformation. The books that they took out all those years ago? Well, no wonder they removed them, there in lies the powers from God that I used to teach of as if they were of the devil himself! lol. There's much more to this subject but I encourage you to look deeper and stop acting foolish with each other, you give him a bad rep. acting as such, I mean if "Jesus" were to come back ( the 3rd time!) he would bitch slap you boys for acting like pricks of decension.
"The Great I Am"
Jesus = I am
Je Suis (French) I am
Coincidence?
He means you were bought at a price and you therefore are gods(gods property,you belong to god) in no way is god suggestings your gods.
If you were a god then the one true living god would make light work of throwing you into the lake of fire.
What about what the Lord Jesus, the Son of God said here:
" And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. " (John 17:5, ESV)
Didn't the Son just say that He was WITH (in the presence, beside) the Father before the world existed?
You should quote ALL of 1Cor 8:6 which declares Jesus as the Creator of all things:
† But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. † (1Cor 8:6, NASB)
Jesus is the one Lord? Isn't YHWH the one Lord in the famous Jewish Shema found in Deu 6:4?
† Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: † (Deu 6:4, KJV)
There are many places in the Scripture where we can find that Jesus = YHWH. I don't need "Trinity" to believe this. I don't need any second or third person of God. God is One person. The secret of Christian faith is a secret of unity (of human and God), not threefold of God, which is a clear polytheism.
Parable or not; a dead man, was in torment after his death and had a conversation with Abraham; to send back a poor man to resurrect; and warn his brothers who are alive, to not come to a place of torment.
it shows us there is reward after death. If you accept that Lazarus went to heaven, then why don't you accept after death, there's a reward for rich men in Torment after death = torment after death. in heaven after death = in heaven after death.
Stop following myths
First of all the word god in that verse the "G" is lower case.. it really reads I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. NOT. " Ye are Gods. Meanining Jesus is not taking aways his deity but to show we will be like GOD THE FATHER or have the birthright to do so. All of God's childern are eternal if that makes sense but childern of the most High. "HIGH" meaning GOD and childern meanin he created all men don't take the words in the text and take it out of context
The word God/Elohim is a title and is not exclusively use for The Father, why do you think we say Almighty God? because their is only One Almighty their are many gods 1 Corinthians 8:5, God's name is Jehovah their is only one Jehovah and that's the Father
John 10.34 is not actually a proof of Jesus deity. The line of defense against Jews was to show them that Elohim called mortal people Elohim. Why did He called them like that? John explains; "He called them Elohim, unto whom the word of God came,and the scripture cannot be broken". >>So if God called these people Elohim why do you Jews want to stone me for saying I am the Son of God?
@miss3v3lyn Did you watch all of my video?
I love the circular reasoning present in the description. JUST one example:
"If Jesus was just a man or an angel, He would indeed be blaspheming in John 10:28-30. But thankfully Jesus is indeed God, therefore He cannot blaspheme."
Also, the appeal to a false black-or-white approach as to how this passage can be understood. There is indeed another way to read it.
Two logical fallacies in the matter of a few lines... Given the poor reasoning already seen, I won't even bother to watch the video.
The argument you call circular is more in "inhouse" argument for christians and unitarians who have different belief.
If arguing with someone who doesn't believe that Jesus can not blaspheme the argument and debate would be different.
also, please can somebody clarify for me if the Bible says that “The kingdom of the heavens is within you”...?
This means that once you accept Christ as savior then the kingdom of God is within you because christ's light illuminates the soul which is then made holy through him.
"his is purely Catholic thought invented in 325 A.D"
First off, the Roman Catholic church didn't exist in 325 AD. The Nicene creed was formulated in 325 but that wasn't done by the Roman Catholics. Secondly, there is plenty of evidence and quotes from early church father WAY before 325 stating without a doubt that Jesus is GOD. For example, check out the writings of Ignatius of Antioch (110 AD) and Melito of Sardis. (180 AD)
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@CristoYcruz Yahuwshua is Yahweh in Person. That's what the Word of Yahweh means. The Word of Yahweh = Yahweh = our Redeemer = the Pure One of YisraEl = our Deliverer = the King = Yahuwshua. Yahweh came and incarnated as one of our brothers to be capable of suffering death before He was honored and exalted to being Yahweh again. Yahweh's Power/Honor/Goodness is "the Father" and it is Yahuwshua's Greatness. As for "Jesus", that's the IMPOSTOR to come, sure, he's the son of perdition. Learn.
Who is Jesus? Jesus is God. Jesus says we are His body. Jesus is the head. Born-again Christians = Body of Jesus. We are one with Jesus. Jesus is the Head. We take instructions from the Head. So we are Gods (Part of Christ Himself. ) But we take instructions from the head which is Christ. An individual is part of the body of Christ. therefore an individual christian is Christ (Or part of Christ) just as the cells that make you are part of you. That is why Paul says we are seated with Him. (Ephesians 2:6).
That is why He is the King of kings. and Lord or lords. Ask yourself, King of which kings? and Lord of which lords? Revelation 1:6 says "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen" That is why Hebrews 4:14 also says "Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[a] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." So we are also priests unto our God according to Rev. 1:6 and Rev 5:10. Ask your self. What is that?
Understanding this will make you understand certain parables such as in (John 15:1) He says "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. " etc. etc. But I understand that the choice is yours. If you believe it, may you receive the results according to your faith.
Jesus said in John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." But lets look at Mathew 5:14 "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid." Do you see a trend here with regards to Kings, Priests, Lords, Light, Vine and branches etc. etc. ? Is it not curious to see that anything that Jesus Christ calls Himself Light and He calls us same?
And finally how do we address God? We address Him as our Father. Look at this side by side with John 10. Remember Jesus taught us how to pray in Matthew 6:9-13? Can you ask yourself how different your father who gave birth to you is. But what you must ask yourself is are you a child or a Son? A child has not grown into the full knowledge of his identity. He drinks milk and is many at times perplexed by the issues that confront him. But a son has come to a realization of his true identity. The scripture says "healing is the children's bread." that is why believers fall sick because they are children. But Those who have reached sonship and know their true identity do not fall sick. They are called the elders of the church. They do not fall sick. But children do. James 5:14 says "Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:" You can see there is no provision for the elders of the church (Sons) should they fall sick. Because they do not fall sick. It is impossible because they are sons. Sons(elders of the church) do not fall sick . One key thing about studying the scriptures is we must allow scripture to interpret scripture. This should be fundamental in our studies. (Please note that I am also a student of the Bible. I don't assume to know much. But I believe if we open our heart, the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truths according to John 16:13)
JOHNWHO ...heresy. Repent of your blasphemy.
You ought to simply accept that God sometimes designates human beings as gods, when He gives them power and authority to represent them. Exodus 7.1 (to Moses) "I have made thee a god to Pharaoh. He was not being "sarcastic" to Moses, nor was He when speaking to the judges in psalm 82. Of course, calling them gods does not mean that they are equal to God or have the attributes of God. It is simply a matter of designating them as having God-given authority, which they could lose by being unjust.
correction to represent HIM.
"You are Gods' " take notice that this is possessive as in you are Gods property. put that in the context of Jesus is justifying calling Himself the Son of God (and saying "I and the Father are one"
Psalm 82 is not about false judges. If Jesus was saying that He was a false judge, they wouldn't want to stone Him for blasphemy. Blasphemy is claiming you are doing somethin like God or saying you are God.The word "gods" in Psalm 82 is elohim, which means god. Do more research here. They were gods. The word elohim can mean a half of a dozen different things and "judges or rulers" are not any of them. No they were in fact the "gods" that God YHWH gave the nations to after YHWH disinherited the nations for the sin at the Tower of Babel event. Genesis 1:1-9, the in Deuteronomy 32:8-9 YHWH gave the nations to lesser gods. Which were created beings, (angel like) and in Psalm 82 God is saying that they were bad or evil so now even though they were god's they will now die like men.Check it out. It makes total sense. When you read the Bible and especially the Old Testament, and know this fact, everything will make more sense.Think about it, at the end of King Solomon's life, he worshiped and served other gods. He didn't serve a fake image. No it was real, that is why in 1 Kings 11:5 Solomon worshiped and served other gods. "5 He worshiped Astarte, the goddess of Sidon, and Molech, the disgusting god of Ammon. 6 He sinned against the Lord and was not true to him as his father David had been." Question, why would the wisest man in the world who was indeed at the time the most powerfulest man in the world worship and serve something that isn't real but just a carved stone? He wouldn't, these were real beings.Do your self a favor, when ever you see any verse in the Bible that talks about "gods' know they are real beings, not human, and the Scripture will make a lot more sense to you. You won't have to do Bible Acrobacs to make the text make sense.
Isn't sarcasm(saying something that isn't true to hurt someone) a sin? But of course the rule maker cannot break any of his own rules.
Jesus blood cleanses us not through prayer or Baptism in a river but DNA, that's why a woman can be saved through child birth, the mother and the fetus exchange blood. This is the holy grail, welcome to the new world of Revelations: )
Lawrence Taylor ...that's not the definition of sarcasm, so your point doesn't even exist
Favoritist?? LOL = The word is favorite.
how did these "men" get into a divine council?
joeydelrio simple.. there are and can be lots of councils.. God calls us elohyim because we are his holy people, holy council when we meet. And no wicked can stand in our midst. When unbeliever comes then he burns in or burns out. He will run or he will accept Jesus. Also God exposes sin in christian camp.. I Corinthians 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
Lmao Gotta love these types of arguments. Always open to multiple human interpretation. Made by man by man. Humans.
Well actually on second thought, how could God produce basically a copy of himself that cannot die? so there are two equally powerful gods now?
REDPotriats757 YES. You are part of God, therefore you are God. God has to be expressed so we are His expressions. If you would only had Faith you would do things like Jesus AND MORE (Jesus Said, John 14:12) We were created to image and likeness of God and we are creators as well ( actually Co-creators) We create with our own thoughts and words just like God. ... there's so much more I can tell you.
Ask and it will be given to you.
Seek and you will find.
BELIEVE
Buen Tipo you're confused, bud
@CristoYcruz Yahweh is a name for both His eternal Power and His mighty Person (Rom.1:20), not just the "Father" (Power). Who's talking about Jesus the impostor? THAT'S a fake name. Yet you allege Yahweh is not found in scripture? DUH! YHWH is found ALL OVER original scripture in Hebrew, over 8000 times in the OT alone, and each of those is "Yahweh" in English! And "Joshua" had the same name as our Savior Yahuwshua, and each mention of him in the NT shows up as "Jesus". You're simply in denial.
It says 'ye shall die like men' How can men die like men?
It means the sons of God, which is us, the little gods, the descendents of Adam through Noah, will die like mere human which God had created in the sixth day. Adam in the other hand has been created in the third day. Read your bible, Gbu.
@CristoYcruz 144,000 will have the Testimony of Yahuwshua, that He is the Word of Yahweh, Yahweh in Person. As Yahweh Yahuwshua will save us for His name's sake, and 144,000 will accept it out of all the world of which all Christians will reject it, this means yes, His name will be known. And indeed, we DO know it, surely, very assuredly, we have a study published online at our website. Please visit it, it's easy to find. I will see if I can post you a link in a message.
GOD accepts PRAISE
John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
Jesus Rejects your PRAISE!
John 5:41 "I do not accept praise from men,
JESUS has no power of HIMSELF
John 5:19Therefore Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I? say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself,
30“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge;
31“If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true.
THERE is NO PAGAN TRIUNE GOD in the BIBLE.
You are deceived!
Jesus taught the Trinity (Matthew 28:19).
Plz keep your opinions to your self.
*(1Cor 8:6, KJV)
The name jesus is greek why would he have a greek name when he was not greek. And back then the letter j didn't exist. Actually jesus is the same as zeus another greek god.
The original Hebrew for Jesus is "Yahshua" which is a contraction of the divine Name "Yahweh Hashua." Please submit some evidence to substantiate your claim that the English translation of the name "Yahshua" into English as Jesus is a Greek Name which means the same as "Zeus."
+Rebecca Trotter Wow, this again. You really figured it out
@CristoYcruz just because you aren't chosen to believe on His name does NOT mean any of these lies you say about His name being fake are correct. I have positive proof on our website that these names are absolutely legit and have given you enough proof already. You don't offer any evidence about your lies, and take potshots at absolute Truth from your baseless position. Go study scripture, and do the research we did, since you haven't cared to have the Truth served to you on a silver platter.
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So jesus is not god? hes just a prophet?
Jesus is equal with God in nature and substance (John 5:18, Col. 2:9, Heb. 1:3).
Mr. Smith wrote, "A Being always begets the same being, humans always beget humans. God begets God. For God to beget an angel would be an angel because an angel is a different being from God." There are several problems Trinitarians have with this statement. 1. "A Being always begets the same Being." Oneness Pentecostals agree that the nature and Being of God the Father was "reproduced" as an "imprinted copy" of the Father's substance of Being as a fully complete human being (see Hebrews 1:3 with the Greek words "CHARACTER" and "HYPOSTASIS)." So if the Being of the Father birthed an exact reproduced copy of His own "substance of Being" as a son, then the deity of the Son would be the deity of the Father. Thus you have Modalistic Monarchian Theology rather than Trinitarian Theology.2. "God begets God." Can God as God beget Himself as another coequal God? The Greek word for "begotten" means the same thing as born. If God gave birth to God as God then there would be a blatant violation of scripture (Malachi 3:6; Psalm 90:2). If a god person was birthed by God then that God person would be an inferior god person which would be an Arian theology rather than a Trinitarian theology. Yet even the Arian theology contradicts God's word. For God as God cannot be born because only humans are born of women.3. "For God to beget (give birth to) an angel ..." Hebrews 1:5 clearly says, "to which of the angels did He ever say, 'You are My son, this day have I BEGOTTEN you.' And again, 'I will be to him a Father, and HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON.'" Just as God as God cannot be born as God, so none of the angels could have ever been born as angels. This proves that the child BORN and the Son GIVEN only referenced him as "God with us" as a man. For God cannot be born as God. Only humans are born. That is why the scripture says, "For to which of the ANGELS did He (God) ever say, 'You are My son, this day have I begotten you.'" Therefore, the Son of God is the human child born and Son given who was born at Bethlehem rather than being born before his birth. Hence, the Son as the Son could not have always had a timeless existence, but He who became the Son is the "Eternal Father" before becoming a man to save us.
Global Impact Ministries your entire argument is based on a fallacy and misunderstanding of "begotten." You're equivocating. Jesus is God and has existed eternally with the Father and the Spirit. Period.
Ok so how dose such a despicable thing (mankind) come from perfection (God) ?
God has the power to bring about anything He wants.
God had four options when he created the universe:
-create nothing
-create a universe that only does good
-create a universe that is immoral, neutral.
-create a universe that good and evil reside.
Only one of those four options can love exist, The last one. Love has to be a free will choice and to choose him over evil is the only place Love can exist.