How Drakengard Leads to NIER
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- A very brief, yet hopefully sufficient summary of how the events in Drakengard set up the setting & events of the original NIER. Feel free to leave any comments or questions if anything is unclear, as well as suggestions for future videos. Thanks!
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Drakengard The Movie • Drakengard 1 THE MOVIE
Let's Play NIER • Let's Play Nier (002) ...
Drakengard Trailer • Drakengard Trailer (En...
NIER Trailer • Nier Trailer
Music: NIER/Drakengard OSTs
Wikis:
Drakengard drakengard.wikia.com/wiki/Drak...
NIER nier.wikia.com/wiki/NIER_Wiki - Hry
Drakengards universe is more or less saved and our universe is absolutely and completely screwed.
Actually, they're both set in the same world, as it turns out. Caim and Angelus weren't sent to another world; they were just sent forward in time.
@@mb2001 Really? That just makes it even more interesting then.
@@blakewalker94 Believe me, I was surprised to learn that.
@@mb2001 It changes so much just from understanding that.
@@mb2001 diverted timelines, not forward in time. Just before Drakengard 3 their history was exactly like ours, but because they came into contact with other worldly beings, time was fractured into two timelines. One with watches and one without. You can technically say they take place at the same time.
So basically in Drakengard, you save one world but end up destroying another as consequence
thats depressing. to win only to be instantly killed without even knowing wtf happened in an unknown world.
I think it's supposed to be a bitter critique by Taro, the game itself was released just a few years after 9/11, so he was in a pretty grim mindset as is, but it's basically saying how humans always prefer violence and would rather "destroy the immediate threat" than risk any more lives, hence the pilots had no choice but to bomb Angelus/Caim since they had no information that they were actually their saviors
The ending in Drakengard is absolutely brilliant. It's so dark and nihilistic, while also a bit unsettling. Knowing that something so sudden can lead to the destruction of humanity is profound in its own way.
I'm so happy we're getting a remaster of NieR: Replicant! Basically the same story as NieR: Gestalt but with the brother of the girl instead of the father!
I do love Papa Nier with his baked potato face but I am happy to be able to play through the Replicant version of the game, finally!
Compared to Automata, I do not as much enjoy the Nier story, all that magic crap... Altho there is something in it. So i'll probably play the remastered Replicant. Just because of Automata.
@@eldarius237 For me NIER >>> Automata in almost all aspect besides obviously graphics and gameplay. Did you finished NewGame+ ? Saw all endings?
Brother of Yona was a protagonist in the japnese version of Nier, west release had that muscular idiot instead, no idea why.
@@Naniko its more or less the same but with different MC's and slightly different dialogue (also the remaster gameplay demo is amazing)
Imagine the story, though... If Caim and Angelus weren't killed, and lived in that dimension with Nier and Yonah.
Yeah but two fighter jets take down a dragon that just "defeated" a god.....powers scaling is a bich
@@Jeffthecreepyastafan because Magic and Tech are two different things
@@Jeffthecreepyastafan The dragon could have the power to take down a God, but have shit durability lmao.
It takes powerful magic to kill a god, the kind that only a dragon can produce. But it doesn’t take powerful magic to slay a dragon. If a knight with a sword can do it, a fighter jet with missiles can do it.
Well I do like that idea, but Nier takes place a long time in the future. So unless Caim can live as long as Angelus age wise due to their pact I don’t think they’ll meet.
So, the disease begin from Drakengard which turn human become some Shade black monster. Human create a body to put their soul in but fail at last (NeiR 2010), thousand years by, human and human replica are all destroyed, and the androids they left behind start a fight with the alien? Wow, that. . . tragedy
Truly the great mind of Yoko Taro at work.
Actually the shades are separate. The god dying turned humans into salt and in order to oversee and try and replace people they started to make replicants of people...then shades but shades are something else revealed in Nier.
@Egg T because... The "disease" that the Queen Grotesquerie released in the Tokyo of Ending E isn't exactly a disease...
It's a kind of substance that forces each individual that comes in contact with it a "pact". If they don't accept the pact, their entire body becomes Salt and remains as a "statue". If they accept, they become kind of crazy servant supermutant humans that seek to destroy all humans and carry the "disease" with them. No in-between option. A 100% mortality "disease".
Thing is... Superhuman mutants that can infect other people with the thing are kind of hard to combat with normal weapons because they're supernatural in origin. So to contain he rapidly expanding infection, it seems they decided to just carpet bomb huge areas of japan.
Turns out magical particles can't be destroyed with that... So these particles were sent to many parts of the world by the explosions and shit happened....
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Then Emil out here driving a truck
In Nier: Automata, when corrupted by the machine virus, the androids eyes turn Red. I wonder if the Aliens/Machines copied this from The Empire? As Automata heavily states the robots were mimicking Human Life.
No, they are from different universe, there is no relationship between them.
@@johnfan1015 nope, the nier novels disagree with you there.
@@johnfan1015 You do know that Automata is a continuation of Nier which is a continuation of Drakengard, right?
It's kind of curious how there are many references to Red Eyed beings in both Drakengard and Nier.
I mean... In Drakengard there's the Red Eye Disease and how Mana and Inuart when controlled have Red Eyes. Then in Nier there's the mention of Red Eye, the leader of the "Legion" that appears many times.
And then there's the Machine Virus...
There's got to be a relation there. After all... The God/s of the Taroverse is/are quite the asshole/s.
@@johnfan1015 You are forgetting that Eve from Nier Automata has the symbol of the Cult of the Watchers from Drakengard.
Amazing explanation!! Especially with the fewest spoilers I’ve ever seen in a video for this. Nier is so complex but has a interesting story
I played Drakengard as a kid. Never beat it, so I never saw the ending first hand, but I later found out about ending e and thought it was crazy that game I played so long ago had such a bizarre ending. I still haven't played nier automata yet, but I've been fascinated by the series ever since I learned about the connection. I plan on playing the whole series eventually. I'm so fascinated by the world and lore just through seeing ending e, knowing some of the implications and a general idea of where it all leads.
Thank you for making this video! It's the most comprehensible I found so far, without spoiling Nier at all! Now all to wait for Nier remake/remaster!
Very glad to hear it! I try my best to explain as much as I can while giving as little away as possible. Can't wait for the remaster, hope you enjoy it too!
I have many questions... one of them: In Grimoir Nier: The Lost World book, we see a description of someone in the Forest of Myth who claims to have control over the entire Gestalt project. Who is that? And when he says: "Using the power of magic to fuse machines, humans and plants together, this is the truth behind this world! Amazing! Amazing! A replicant like you can reach this level! Amazing!" What does he mean, I wonder...
Thanks for the video, this helps a lot since today a remastered version of Nier was announced
Aaaaa set out on the same journey as you and just beat Queen beast today. Thank you for this video as i was confused as hell prior to starting Nier.
Congrats and good luck on your journey!
Feels like Yokotaro the troll got stuck on the story of Dragongaard and did a 180
man this is pretty good.
Playing Nier rn, glad to know all my questions so far are gonna be answered
Appreciate the video! Played Drakengard as a kid, and Nier. Just bought Automata, had NO IDEA they were linked :O
@Egg T I think they mean linked to Drakengard
Thank you so much!!! 😭😭❤️
Drakengard was one of my favorite games when i was younger
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"After an unforgivably difficult final battle..."
Me:
*Laughs in Flower*
THAT is indeed unforgiving. The Flower's rhythm may be easier than the Queen's 40-note chain, at least it doesn't cheat. No invisible notes to hit you out of nowhere, and no screwed camera angles.
Is the flowers considered harder? Aside from bullshit camera angles the original requires more than rithm specially the last combo.
Awesome video. Now I can play Nier Replicant tomorrow!
The Fighters who shot down Caim and Angelus seemed to be F-4 Phantoms. So I suspect the boss fight might have taken place somewhere between the 70s and 2020, considering Japan has retired its last Phantoms only 2 years ago
It was June 12, 2003 around 3:00pm when the Queen Beast and Caim + Angelus came to Tokyo
beautiful video
wow i never knew Nier had so much history, so frickin cool man SE are really the goat game company in my eyes.
Exactly the video I was looking for, before I play the remaster of NieR!
Great Nier-spoiler-free video 👍
I would love to see any theory you have in how the Tower at Paradigm's Reach ties into Nier's story since I believe Yokotaro said it's all cannon.
Having played but never finished Drakengard, I did not see that ending coming.
Bravo 1: This is Bravo 1. Undentified target has been neutralize. over and out.
Humanity survival rate: mission failed we get em next time.
Bravo 1: What?
Great vid
Thank you for this video! Just found out my favorite game from way back, Drakengard, has sequels. Also, I don't plan to play the sequels including Nier but really want to know the story. After that I'll play Nier:Automata.
Very happy to hear it :) I would suggest taking a look at the upcoming Nier remaster, as it will probably be MUCH more enjoyable than playing the original Nier, but regardless I hope you enjoy Automata. It's quite the experience!
Drakengard 3 was pretty fun
And now we're here in 2020 with a pandemic and what's happening? Anarchy against the quarantine put in place...
Scary
it's just a matter of time till ppl turn into salt
Drakengard was one of my favorite games
If only they would remaster the Drakengard games for PS5. I mean keep the game as it is but where it looks great on modern TV. Forget paying $100 for the first two games but at least Drakengard 3 is still $20 on eBay. I heard Drakengard 3 has frame rate issues on PS3 but I haven't bought it to tell. Definitely on my buy list though as far as the 3rd game goes but I really would like to play all three is the other two were not over $100 each. I do have the PS3 Nier and Automata PS4 as well as just getting Nier Replicant on PS4 though.
Thank you
I like how you had to show ending E because nobody would fucking believe it otherwise.
I'm here from a Twitter clip I saw and the song was catchy. But from what see the two series connected becuase the Tokyo goverment wanted to Ace Combat the protaganists? That's crazy.
If whats coming up in the Nier side raid in FF14 is anything like this, then it'll make the main story of FF14 look like a playground slapfight in comparison.
I just remembered drakengard now. I haven't played the series since ps2 days, and now I'm out here to find ports for drakengard, and gonna buy neir and drakengard 3
Good luck on your journey! It's a tough series to get into since it spans 3 generations of consoles but in my opinion it's certainly worth it :)
@@Naniko thanks! It looks like I don't have the original copy of drakengard on ps2 anymore, so hopefully there's a port around.
@@barrythegoon As far as I know there isn't, but you could always resort to emulators if no other option,
Just get an emulator or wait for it to come in current gen
Isn't it sad that the Universe like ours was always going to have that Robot Alien Invasion?
and now there is a small frame in the new nier anime inwhich you see the dragon impaled on tokyo tower
thanks for not spoiling nier i rarely come across game summaries without people spoiling other games than the one i want spoiled
Square enix just love milfguard , legit see this name every game
Nice video though one fact you forgot is quite a bit of the lore that connects nier and drakengard that explains how magic came to be and other stuff in the nier story is in the art book grimnoir nier it’s only in Japanese but some people were able to translate the whole thing online
This video wasn't meant to tell the ins and outs of the story, just give people an idea of how two seemingly dissimilar games can be related. I had a very hard time figuring out information on the game series when I was first getting into it so I wanted other people to not have to go through the same trouble by watching a short video.
I understand nether the less this was still a good video I plan on doing a nier analysis soon
Drakengard and Shadow Hearts shall be remastered
Nice video
Thanks for the kind words :)
It’s just crazy how they left that time period to come to modern Japan where they can’t defend themselves 😂😂
Growing up with Darkengard...FUCK-ending E
thas final boss of darkengard remind me of evangelion
That is intended,that ending was made both as a joke and as a reference to The End of Evangelion
Wait, wait... Depending on the version you play? There’s a version where the MC of Replicant is old? I’m kinda confused... What?
The original PS3 version that released in Japan was called Nier Replicant and features a young boy trying to save his sister. When they brought it here in America they made another version, calling it Nier Gestalt, featuring an older man trying to save his daughter. They thought this would work better for American audiences.
@@Naniko Worked for me, I prefer Papa Nier to Brother Nier.
So the drakengard characters brought their germs into our world…
And then in a completely and consistently related topic, aliens came from outer space 😅
yeah .. after investing next to .. 50 to 70 hours in drakengard, getting all weapons level 4, capping the red dragon and Caim's levels to the max and getting endings A to D .. ending E results of ALL YOUR work meaningless.
Not meaningless, because the science behind Angelus' corpse helped humanity to gain the upper hand in the war, and to carry out a decisive counter attack against the Legion.
@@victuz a game whose main character dies by the end, NEVER HAD ONE in the first place. thus, it's not worth investing in developing characters in it.
@@TrueInvisible yes it is, the point is to tell a story, just look at death note
@@ZaiDrizzleDrop i finished death note, and it gave me headache. also the story and its conclusion are seriously stupid.
Kira was never the monster, he was merely the reaper. i stand with him. criminals must be punished.
God damn FLOWER (rythem game)
The word "Rhythm" doesn't have any vowels. Lmao.
@@Kaito_1114 The "y" is used as a vowel here.
Checking before NIER Replicant remake, hoping PC version will be better than automata :D
can someone tell me that after i finish drakengard 1,2,3 which games of nier should i play in order
The canonical mainline story order is Drakengard 3, Drakengard 1, Nier, Nier:Automata. Personally I'd say to just watch Drakengard 1 The Movie on CZcams and play the rest. You can skip 3, as it's pretty janky, but I love it for the characters and story enough to warrant playing.
@@Naniko where does 2 fit into?
@@jihkosmos 2 aint cannon to the neir story line
@@jihkosmos 2 is just a branch of ending A.
Wait what was that plane that shot down the dragon after beating the queen beast?
The Japanese Self Defense Force
@@dantecrailman8861Ahhh
But was The black scrawl spread by the White coronation which led to the extinction of humanity?
@@Hassan06675 Yes, in a sense? There are many factors that lead to humanity's extinction in Nier. The White Chlorination Syndrome and the Legion, the relapse of Gestalts and Nier killing the Shadowlord.
So does it just lead into neir or does it also lead into neir automata that's what I'm wondering?
They are all part of the same overarching story. There is just a lot of time between when each game takes place.
People need to stop saying Drakengard 2 isn’t connected or isn’t cannon, it is. It just wasn’t directed by Taro. Yet it is referenced in Drakengard 3, which was directed by him. Therefore it is cannon lol.
Do you mean Drakengard 2, right? You said DG3 twice hehe
@@KashirN7 ....yes. Damn.
Wait I thought Maso came from the dragon's body after its death and has nothing to do with white chlorination syndrome which came from the queen... .-.
...because the original NieR is the greatest game of all time (imo) :)
Better than Automata? I never played Nier, but played Automata for the 1st time a few months ago.. That shit quickly became one of my favorite games of all time!
@@lLIBER4TORl Yeah, I like the original better but if you played Automata first, there's no way you'd like the original better. It has a place in my heart personally
@@personausermike1 I heard they were doing a hd remake of the 1st one I def plan on picking it up.
@@lLIBER4TORl Yes, I'm stoked! I have a NieR collection video on my channel if you're interested
Played drakengard when i was like 14 i never though a lot about the story .. how can i play this games now without ps2
pcsx2 is what you're looking for. at least if your PC can handle PS2 emulation
Played drakengard when i was like 14 i never though a lot about the story .. how can i play this games now without ps3
Emulator on pc
Who created the watchers, who created the flower, who created the beasts/dragons, what happened to the beasts and dragons
The God of the Drakengard Dimension/World created all of those things allegedly but wants to destroy humanity because of it's free will. In the end it looks like this God succeeded (partially because of Drakengard's ending E that saves Drakengard's world but destroys Nier's.) Humanity dies out in Replicant and is already dead in Automata. Yoko Taro needs to make a game that resolves the watchers story because they essentially get away with everything that happened in Nier with no one in the Nier Dimension knowing about them or their origins or even how to go to the Drakengard dimension to fight/kill them.
Edit: Humans should still be alive in Drakengard's dimension since they didn't have the WCS disease.
I still don't get it I guess I better play both games..
It's fine if you don't
Wait wait wait, i thought it was zero and mikhail that killed the queen beast not caim and red dragon
Pretty sure that it was Caim and Angelus that kill the Queen Beast
Hmmm. Then who are the aliens that invaded earth and war with humanity in nier Automata?
They're... Aliens... nothing else.
Destroy speakers/headphone users at 2:02 -> 2:05
Time to make use of my newly bought ps3 lol
Short answer. Read the novellas and play the games.
Manah is one's brother i swearrrr
I'm sure I have this somewhat wrong but in Shi ni Itaru Aka (Drakengard manga) it's pretty much explained that Manah is a great great granddaughter (or something to that extent) of Brother One. But it is assured that Manah is not actually Brother One.
Hmm
Man... way to go us, we destroyed our world because of our ignorance and hubris. It's really embarrassing.
So if Final Fantasy connected all their games together then you get something like this?
But where in the timeline would darkenhard 3 be
Before Drakengard 1.
Thanks. That makes so much sense now
The traveler from Destiny was in Drakenguard?
😂😂😂
Sooo, why is there magic in NieR?
Maso, a chemical element from the Drakengard universe, was harvested from the remains of the queen beast and used to develop magic.
@@Naniko thanks 💃🏽
@@Naniko but if I understood right, its the same earth, weren't they sent to the future?
@@RobbySaiff I dont believe so, its implied (if not specifically stated) that Drakengard 1/3 take place in separate timelines/universes than Nier.
@@Naniko oh i see, and there's is 0 humans now? Not even DNA samples? This dreadful situation makes me so uncomfortable hahaha
These universes are connected ??wtf
damn isekai
Only thing I hated about the ending was.... the 'good guys' defeat the 'mother' who is really the monster. And yet despite having defeated the 'worse monster', humanity still took out the 'good guys' cause they were the 'threat'. Dumb assess.....
all they knew was that a giant woman fell from a magical portal in the sky followed by a strange person riding a dragon, leading to a huge fight causing massive destruction in their city. They immediately scrambled their defenses to neutralize what seemed like a threat and blew it out the sky. All of this probably happened in a matter of minutes. they had no idea what was going on.
I've played all of them. Drakengard 2 just sucks.
Yeah ok so basically they are not really meaningfully related, bald giant queen monster is just as good of an excuse as any start a pandemic lol
I'm not sure where you came to the conclusion that they aren't related in a meaningful way. They are very related and the events directly tie together between Drakengard and NIER as well as plenty of other aspects within the world of NIER being explained.
A game requiring you to beat it 47 times just to understand the ending is a garbage game. No other franchise does this. It's not cool or clever, its stupid. I stopped playing the original Nier as soon as I realized this. And I looked this video up because maybe I wanted to try the series again, but just realized how redundant it all is. There is a reason these games and their sequels don't sell tons. And its because its more of a chore to get the full experience that it is fun. All that said, the video did a good job. This rant isn't' directed at him.
It's certainly not a series for everyone. I appreciate the kind words regardless.
@@Naniko the video did do a good job explaining everything. just had to get that rant out and didnt want you to think it was your content that was the problem.
I agree. Just started Nier Automata and fuckin hell I was stuck for 3 hours in the prologue, not because it was hard, but you are required to play the whole thing everytime you died.
No wonder these game is so popular with weebs, they have all the time in the world to spend playing just one game and connects all the dots from various endings and shit to obtain the whole lore
@@zul2788 The dots don't connect from various endings. Only one ending is cannon from each of the games. And that's only with Drakengard 1 and 3. Drakengard 2 isn't canon at all, and Nier / Nier: Automata don't have "multiple endings" you basically just continue the story after the credits roll. It's essentially just tradition at this point.
None of this is to discredit not liking it, you're totally entitled to your own opinion and that includes not liking it. I'm just clarifying.
Theses games didn't have interesting gameplay till automata and drakengard 3.
I refuse to play these games.
Let me get this straight. A terrible game was made that spawned more bad games. Then someone suffered through theses games then decided to trick hundreds of more people into playing these god awful games by calling them masterpieces? "Duh What is Life?" really brings in the wannabe smarties.