This may be the case for much older actual reel slot machines, but for 90% of machines today, they are all working very differently. Any machine with virtual reels, and even some newer ones with actual reels, work with an RNG that gets determined the moment you hit the spin button. This number corresponds to specific predetermined set of reel positions, so instead of each reel spinning on its own randomly, they all spin to a combined position that corresponds to the win determined with the RNG. So the random number generated gets looked up in a table, that table says that number corresponds to a 1x win, and it displays a set of reel positions that correspond to a 1x win on the paytable.
How did you determine the frequency table? One thing that I'm trying to understand is how to generate reel strips in relation to a Return To Player ratio that may be used at a casino (e.g. RTP of 96%).
How did you calculate the possible combinations for the last two i.e [Cherry, Cherry, Any] and [Cherry, Any, Any] , my calculation for [Cherry, Cherry, Any] is 2X6X23=276, 23 is because this are all the possible combinations on reel 3. If the reason is because of 20 possible positions on reel 3 then [Cherry, Any, Any] would work out to be 2X20X20=800, but your answer is 560? A bit lost on how the [Any] combinations should be calculated. Thx for the video.
Hey there! Not sure if someone gonna answer, but I'm curious how you determine each frequency of symbols ? Did you get that data from a ressource or did you determine that on yourself ? I'm currently building a game and I'm wondering how do I determine the frequency of each symbol to hit the 95% of RTR ? Got 3 rows, 5 columns, 10 symbols and 1 wild.
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in the beginning he mentions "this slotmachine has 3 reels with 20 possible results", that is why. the thing with the 21, 23 symbols is relevant for the payout between the symbols
I know it's been 4 years since the original post, but I'm not sure what you mean by "payout between the symbols". I still don't understand. With 20 stops on the reels, how can you have more than 20 symbols on a reel? I heard the "more than one symbol" thing, but I've never seen a stop with a 7 and an orange on it, and I've been looking for one.
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The overlooked fact of the 94 percent payout is that is for the life cycle of the machine. Who's to say for a steady month it has only 10 percent payout before bumping back to 94 for a bit. For instance. If the average of a machine is at 84 percent currently and they are gonna get rid of that machine, legally they would have to pay out of it til it's back to the legal percent payout before removing it. Thoughts?
You don't re-build or re-program the machine for it to change RTP over time. You just calculate it to have a steady RTP of anyhwere in the 80%-95% range and that's it. Of course after let's say first 1000 spins in the lifetime of the machine, the actual retrurn might end up being like 70% or 105% because of how small the spin sample is, but after one million spins the odds converge to the calculated RTP pretty accurately.
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This math is wrong, because å slot machine use a virtual reel for each physical reel and virtual reels have many more potential stops/combination than the physical reels. And it is the rng generator and the virtual reels that predetermine the outcome of each spin. The physical reels are only for visual display to the player and does not determine any outcome.
Christian Haugland yes I agree. As soon as you hit the button you either won something or not. The reels are for excitement and to inform you how much you won if anything.
@ Christian Haugland Is your explanation for Class 3 machines ? Do Class 2 machines that use Bingo patterns use a RNG ?? If not how do they do it ? How do the Bingo patterns then relate to the reels and their stopping point? Thank you for your insights
The algorithm was calculated before they built the first slot machine. The reels might be physical but the amount of symbols on them correspond to the programing behind them using the algorithm.
The math is sound, but the assumptions are wrong. This explains the issues mentioned in this thread. www.quora.com/How-do-slot-machine-algorithms-choose-each-wheel-values
Do they rely 100% on probability or do they add in code to guarantee that after X number of plays it will payout a jackpot and guarantee that it will not payout a jackpot any more frequently than a specific amount? I found the answer here czcams.com/video/7Wkubf1PrWg/video.html (no they are random and rely on statistics.) You can technically win a jackpot every single play, while a 100% identical machine may NEVER payout a any wins at all.
Fredrik Waldt he’s actually wrong when he calculates the totals, I mean try it yourself, for orange orange and bar it’s not 25, but 125, because you have to remember that there’s 3 ways of arranging (o, o, b) so you have to add up all three possibilities. And also, where does he get 20*20*20 from? It should be 21*24*23 because he clearly said that each reel has a different amount of symbols.
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nomatter how good your calculation is slot machine are programmed machine it doesnt care about RNG result it can change the result of the RNG in favor of the establishment . that is what we called business.
He has just explained in his video how there is no such thing as non-RNG slots, it's just that if you play an amount of games closer and closer to + infinite, you will end up with 96% (or whatever the rtp of that slot is) of all that you have bet.
OK so here in Aristralia, ahem Australia how is it that after 3-5 years of gambling on slots we lose 100% of our money 99.9% of the time. Obviously it couldn't be that our government who profits 40% from each machine is also the auditors of those machines, cause that would be illegal wouldn't it. During lock down the gaming industry stated they were losing 36 million a day, first thing that opened, funny that
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It's just math. If the machine's return to player (RTP) is 95%, it means that if you start with a balance of $100 and pay a $1 for every spin, you should end up with approx. $95 after first 100 spins. Then if you continue playing with what you currently have, you'll have $90.25 after another 100 spins, $85.70, $81.50, $77.35 and so on and so on. The machines are always calculated to have the RTP be below 100%, usually being in the 80%-95% range. The probability is against you, so the longer you play, the more money you lose, eventually losing up everything.
Electronic Slot machine can be adjusted to keep 100% of money players put in them and give back nothing you can play slot machine 1.000.000 years and not get a dime
Theoretically, it's also possible to flip a fair coin for 1,000,000 years and not get tails - but it is highly improbable. Incidentally, if you only play the slot machine 1 time in 1,000,000 years the odds are also pretty high you will not win. A computerized slot machine can be programmed to do anything, but it is highly illegal, and a casino can lose their gaming license for cheating the algorithm.
This is a bunch of crap. Even if each reel had 50 winning jackpot symbols and only one losing symbol if the computer tells the machine to payout only once in every million spins that will be as how often it pays out. The symbols don't do anything. They're just a display to show you whether you win or lose on each particular thing. His calculations only apply to the machines they stopped using about 40 or 50 years ago.
You´re not wrong. you just dont understand how slot machines work. They are never programed to pay out once every millionth spin. In fact they are never told anything about when to payout. If anyone ever builds a slott machine that works the way you describe, you will be correct for that singular machine.
Your are completely wrong, I work with slot machines. There are lots of tests and serious certifications on the games to verify that they are not corrupted. Operating without theses certifications is ilegal for the casino and the manufacturer and can result on imprisonment. The machines you see in casinos, specially in places such US and EU are strictly Lab tested on their math algorithms.
This may be the case for much older actual reel slot machines, but for 90% of machines today, they are all working very differently. Any machine with virtual reels, and even some newer ones with actual reels, work with an RNG that gets determined the moment you hit the spin button. This number corresponds to specific predetermined set of reel positions, so instead of each reel spinning on its own randomly, they all spin to a combined position that corresponds to the win determined with the RNG. So the random number generated gets looked up in a table, that table says that number corresponds to a 1x win, and it displays a set of reel positions that correspond to a 1x win on the paytable.
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How did you determine the frequency table? One thing that I'm trying to understand is how to generate reel strips in relation to a Return To Player ratio that may be used at a casino (e.g. RTP of 96%).
How did you calculate the possible combinations for the last two i.e [Cherry, Cherry, Any] and [Cherry, Any, Any] , my calculation for [Cherry, Cherry, Any] is 2X6X23=276, 23 is because this are all the possible combinations on reel 3. If the reason is because of 20 possible positions on reel 3 then [Cherry, Any, Any] would work out to be 2X20X20=800, but your answer is 560? A bit lost on how the [Any] combinations should be calculated. Thx for the video.
Edward Muchogu yeah he messed up a lot of his calculations
Hey there! Not sure if someone gonna answer, but I'm curious how you determine each frequency of symbols ? Did you get that data from a ressource or did you determine that on yourself ? I'm currently building a game and I'm wondering how do I determine the frequency of each symbol to hit the 95% of RTR ? Got 3 rows, 5 columns, 10 symbols and 1 wild.
Hi, i am also trying to build game like that. Have you found answer? :D
@@giorgijajanidze4299 Hey! Yeah I built a program that simulates million of games with different setup, I got a result for 95% rtr. Contact me at tariq.riahi@gmail.com if you want the details :)
where did u get 1073 from ?
at 0:45 you show reels with 21, 24 and 23 symbols. and later in the video you calculate total combinations by 20*20*20.
anyone knows why is that？
in the beginning he mentions "this slotmachine has 3 reels with 20 possible results", that is why.
the thing with the 21, 23 symbols is relevant for the payout between the symbols
I know it's been 4 years since the original post, but I'm not sure what you mean by "payout between the symbols".
I still don't understand. With 20 stops on the reels, how can you have more than 20 symbols on a reel? I heard the "more than one symbol" thing, but I've never seen a stop with a 7 and an orange on it, and I've been looking for one.
He did say "20 plus results", right @0:21? This seems important later in the video.
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just so you know losing is not fun
*Now do it with Wild symbol.* Do you can do it? xD
Leaving the casino with more money is considered fun too me
The overlooked fact of the 94 percent payout is that is for the life cycle of the machine. Who's to say for a steady month it has only 10 percent payout before bumping back to 94 for a bit. For instance. If the average of a machine is at 84 percent currently and they are gonna get rid of that machine, legally they would have to pay out of it til it's back to the legal percent payout before removing it. Thoughts?
No
You don't re-build or re-program the machine for it to change RTP over time.
You just calculate it to have a steady RTP of anyhwere in the 80%-95% range and that's it. Of course after let's say first 1000 spins in the lifetime of the machine, the actual retrurn might end up being like 70% or 105% because of how small the spin sample is, but after one million spins the odds converge to the calculated RTP pretty accurately.
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Playing slots is never fun for me unless I play with a mathematical edge.
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This math is wrong, because å slot machine use a virtual reel for each physical reel and virtual reels have many more potential stops/combination than the physical reels. And it is the rng generator and the virtual reels that predetermine the outcome of each spin. The physical reels are only for visual display to the player and does not determine any outcome.
Christian Haugland yes I agree. As soon as you hit the button you either won something or not. The reels are for excitement and to inform you how much you won if anything.
Christian Haugland well the A* on my math test says other wise
@ Christian Haugland Is your explanation for Class 3 machines ? Do Class 2 machines that use Bingo patterns use a RNG ?? If not how do they do it ? How do the Bingo patterns then relate to the reels and their stopping point? Thank you for your insights
The algorithm was calculated before they built the first slot machine. The reels might be physical but the amount of symbols on them correspond to the programing behind them using the algorithm.
The math is sound, but the assumptions are wrong. This explains the issues mentioned in this thread.
www.quora.com/How-do-slot-machine-algorithms-choose-each-wheel-values
No matter how you add it up ! YOU LOSE ! 😀
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Do they rely 100% on probability or do they add in code to guarantee that after X number of plays it will payout a jackpot and guarantee that it will not payout a jackpot any more frequently than a specific amount? I found the answer here czcams.com/video/7Wkubf1PrWg/video.html (no they are random and rely on statistics.)
You can technically win a jackpot every single play, while a 100% identical machine may NEVER payout a any wins at all.
No, it is purely random
Edit : sorry, didn't read the full comment to see you had already found your answer :)
But the odds of you never getting any money at all are really slim actually, as slim as they are to get back to back jackpots forever
I can tell you that they are not random. Just watched a video of an operator adjusting the difficulty of a machine.
The math is correct! If you skipped high school please don't make comments at math videos on youtube, thanks!
Fredrik Waldt he’s actually wrong when he calculates the totals, I mean try it yourself, for orange orange and bar it’s not 25, but 125, because you have to remember that there’s 3 ways of arranging (o, o, b) so you have to add up all three possibilities. And also, where does he get 20*20*20 from? It should be 21*24*23 because he clearly said that each reel has a different amount of symbols.
some slots have 5 reels with 128 symbols on each one... Do the Math
Haha :)
Sorry, went over my head.
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Don't gamble search a hobby it cost less money.
Losing money is no fun
nomatter how good your calculation is slot machine are programmed machine it doesnt care about RNG result it can change the result of the RNG
in favor of the establishment .
that is what we called business.
He has just explained in his video how there is no such thing as non-RNG slots, it's just that if you play an amount of games closer and closer to + infinite, you will end up with 96% (or whatever the rtp of that slot is) of all that you have bet.
No that is not business, that is fraud.
you explain so hard to understand
OK so here in Aristralia, ahem Australia how is it that after 3-5 years of gambling on slots we lose 100% of our money 99.9% of the time. Obviously it couldn't be that our government who profits 40% from each machine is also the auditors of those machines, cause that would be illegal wouldn't it.
During lock down the gaming industry stated they were losing 36 million a day, first thing that opened, funny that
It's just math. If the machine's return to player (RTP) is 95%, it means that if you start with a balance of $100 and pay a $1 for every spin, you should end up with approx. $95 after first 100 spins.
Then if you continue playing with what you currently have, you'll have $90.25 after another 100 spins, $85.70, $81.50, $77.35 and so on and so on.
The machines are always calculated to have the RTP be below 100%, usually being in the 80%-95% range.
The probability is against you, so the longer you play, the more money you lose, eventually losing up everything.
Get a stable table.
Electronic Slot machine can be adjusted to keep 100% of money players put in them
and give back nothing
you can play slot machine 1.000.000 years and not get a dime
Theoretically, it's also possible to flip a fair coin for 1,000,000 years and not get tails - but it is highly improbable. Incidentally, if you only play the slot machine 1 time in 1,000,000 years the odds are also pretty high you will not win. A computerized slot machine can be programmed to do anything, but it is highly illegal, and a casino can lose their gaming license for cheating the algorithm.
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Stop watching TV once and than for all times
@@geoeconomics3067 And what is your source of information, your personal paranoia?
This is a bunch of crap. Even if each reel had 50 winning jackpot symbols and only one losing symbol if the computer tells the machine to payout only once in every million spins that will be as how often it pays out. The symbols don't do anything. They're just a display to show you whether you win or lose on each particular thing. His calculations only apply to the machines they stopped using about 40 or 50 years ago.
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You´re not wrong. you just dont understand how slot machines work. They are never programed to pay out once every millionth spin. In fact they are never told anything about when to payout. If anyone ever builds a slott machine that works the way you describe, you will be correct for that singular machine.
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Your are completely wrong, I work with slot machines. There are lots of tests and serious certifications on the games to verify that they are not corrupted. Operating without theses certifications is ilegal for the casino and the manufacturer and can result on imprisonment. The machines you see in casinos, specially in places such US and EU are strictly Lab tested on their math algorithms.
*No. Error. If were so, now I would be a millionaire.*