Simucube 2 Ultimate & Pro In 2023 Review
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2023
- A look at the Simucube 2 Ultimate and Pro in 2023, still worth your hard earned?
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I absolutely have no regrets having the SC2 Pro. I absolutely love the software, and never a worry of it breaking down. At the same time it’s nice there are now so many DD’s for people to experience and use.
Same. I'm super happy with my SC2 Pro. Software is excellent. Quality product. It's great that there is now a bigger range of manufacturers to choose from. You pays your money & you takes your choice.
I'm interested in getting the SC2 Pro. Their wheels cost twice as much as the CSL DD, lol. I'm gonna have to somehow sell my fanatec wheel.
I switched to the Simucube Pro after Fanatec bricked my DD1 and I love it. I love my Fanatec wheels, so I converted them to usb with the SRM 6.2 conversion kit.
I tested Simucube 2 Sport, Simucube 2 Pro and VRS DirectForce Pro, and bought VRS. 899 eur for 20Nm torque. It’s an OSW wheelbase (same technology as Simucube 1). Have had it for 6 months. Love it. Can’t image why would I need more Nm. Simucube is maybe felt a bit more polished, but honestly I found VRS a better value/price. Not sure if I would feel the difference in a blind comparison.
Love my SC2 Pro. Ordered it in November. Paid $1100 out the door because they were having black Friday sale or whatever you call it and free shipping. It wouldn't add tax for some reason. What the heck so I ordered it. Received it with no taxes! So I tried it again with another Simucube part. No taxes and free shipping again. 😂. Knock wood.
I got my SCPro2 before the VRS or Asetek came to market. Great that there are now choices at that high level.
I got the SC2 sport and 17NM is more than enough for what I mean tbh. Its the only direct drive I have ever used but its been fantastic so far
i own the ultimate... and love it.... i like industrial well made stuff and i like using real quick release instead ....
Love my SC2 Pro, had a DD1 before it and its something I would never replace its awesome
Same here, went from DD1 to sc2 pro, it's like night and day in terms of feeling and smoothness
@@matrix344Could you explain a bit more in detail what you mean by day night difference in terms of FEELING ? What do you feel better or more then DD1 ? I use DD2 now but think to go for SC2 PRO but I’m afraid differance won’t be noticable so ask your opinion about it. And in which sims do you use it because every sim has different force feedback
Absolutely love my SC2 Pro. Not cheap. But bulletproof.
My dad had the same injury way back when. His snapped at the bottom of his leg and balled up at the top of his leg. I had to do everything for him for a few months. Stay off the leg, trust me, you don't want complications, and get well soon
Thanks mate!
Or buy a 2nd hand Simucube Sport, 17nm, but running at 12nm at what I consider the sweet spot. Enough effort/resistance and great feel & feedback fidelity. Love it. And can drive it for hours with no tiredness. And I’m quicker than my boosted CSL DD which always felt in need of just a little bit more.
And I have no torque envy.
It isn't about the amount of torque you can use, but rather the amount of torque the base can produce. Nobody runs their base at max settings as it is too much. However, that extra torque allows for overhead so that you don't experience clipping which has happened with my Fanatec 8nm wheel base. That said I do agree that the Ultimate is a little extreme and the Pro is really the most that absolutely anybody will ever need.
Finally, this video seemed very biased in promoting Asetek. I am not saying that they don't produce solid products but the video is literally titled "Simucube 2 Ultimate & Pro In 2023 Review" and not "Asetek vs Simucube 2 Ultimate vs Simucube Pro." You also have an affiliate link with Asetek, so while you may throw around some facts off the data sheet for the Ultimate and Pro, you are more or less supported by another brand.
I would still choose simucube over asetek. The details sure feel similiar but there is a tightness to the asetek I don't like as much. I think the simucubes still have a slightly looser or snapper feel. Even if the asetek has tons of details. Its the software that changes it. Can have the same motor but things change.
I'll bring it up since Karl mentioned it, the GT Omega Prime Lite is an absolute beast of a rig. I got one and love it.
I almost got the Prime Lite but it wasn't in stock so I got the full Prime instead.
The pedal tray, to me, it is the biggest diff between the prime and the lite, and why i would not consider the lite. Both better than my NLR GT track
@@acf1376 The Prime pedal tray is absolutely solid. And it lets me put the pedals wherever I want
Was thinking between SC2 PRO and Ultimate and thanks to this vid and info I say I’ll go for SC2 PRO. It was the slewrate that made it because thought there would be a big difference between Pro and ultimate
There's really very little difference... But I would look at the Asetek bases, same basic hardware but MUCH more refined and with modern features! Take a look here mate www.asetek.com/simsports/?aff=Karl+Gosling
Karl, I'm new. I love your style. I got my 8020 rig, but I'm still sporting a logitech wheel. Have you done a beginner comparison of wheel eco-systems, pros and cons of each, and so forth? I figure I'm someone who will stick with the logitech while I save up for something GOOD. I will not step stone up to a good one, I will wait and go ALL IN. I'd love a video like that, if you've not done one already. Cheers and thanks for your contributions! Edit: Spelling.
I've not Michael as the market changes so fast these says the info would be out of date before I bloody published it! lol
I have the fanatec pedals and shifter. Can I run the Simucube wheel base with them? Will my pedals and shifter plug into the new wheelbase?
Hi Karl, may I ask, have you ever connected a GOMEZ Industries wheel to a Fanatec DD base? I’ve just purchased the Hyper P1 and will soon be connecting it to DD base via the Fanatec HUB. Just curious how I will select ‘Hi Torque’ as that’s normally done by pressing a function button on a Fanatec wheel.
Many thanks
I have not mate sorry.
I’ve had an SC2 Pro for over two years now. Had a DD2 for two years before that. CSW V2 for a few years before that and a T500 in the beginning. The ffb in the game plays such a big part in the experience. Although the SC2Pro is the best base I’ve ever owned it will never feel incredible in something like Project Cars.
Why is that?
How you compare the dd2 bs sc2 pro? Night and day? Or just a little better?
USB B is a better port than A or C it will normally last longer as its was designed to be the port with "Enhanced Durability" and mostly used on industrial or office equipment so it can withstand more abuse, the only port I hate seeing now is Micro-USB as USB-C is far better as Micro-USB tents to be too fragile.
Great review Karl, I upgraded last year to FANATEC CSL DD w 8nm power pack. I don't think I need that level of FFB for my causal sim racing but the knowledge is good to have. Thank you for what you do mate. Just a quick question. I'm working on a replacement wheel base mount for the og NLR F-GT rig. If I supplied one to you would you be able to test it?
Sorry mate I do not have a F-GT to test anything on.
i actually sold my simucube 2 pro and purchased the asetek invicta, truth be told i find it very hard to pick between them when it comes to the FFB but the simucube QR was getting to show its age for me, that lack of power really does take away huge opportunities for the system, they have updated the bluetooth interface fairly recently which will now allow wheels with up to 96 inputs wireless wheras before it was a max of 28 so thats excellent but you will never see wheels with displays working wireless on the simucube for example and 96 inputs as crazy as it sounds is still a mild restriction (im not sure if that includes 12 way rotaries etc now, likely does.). The Asetek bases for me simply took what the simucubes did great and pushed it one step further.
One area the simucubes can not be touched however is the build quality and reliability, it really is second to none. I did actually have issues with the bluetooth on my simucube where now and then it would just miss shifts for me, even with 100 percent signal and 100 percent wheel battery i would still get missed shifts that i would swear i pressed and need to press again and i had that for months and it was actually what prompted me to look directly at Asetek because that QR on the simucube is just chefs kiss man, so solid - and adding power to that design is genius on Aseteks behalf.
The rear hub on the Asetek also is a nice advantage and kinda shows the simucube showing its age again with basically nothing of use back there. When it comes to software i do think Simucube has the edge, not just in options but in how the settings actually apply and have impact, on the Asetek it seems the range is limited with the settings where 0 damper for example does not feel drastically different from 100 damper, but on the simucube it has a much bigger difference, dont know how or why that is but thats what i found.
Amazing wheelbases but with shortcomings now i feel and many manufacturers although they dont hold a candle in build quality and feedback they are directly attacking the simucubes few weaknesses.
Asetek is using Mige-servos while Simucube is probably using Lenze and Kollmorgen. The Lenze m850 looks a bit too much like a SC2 Pro to be by accident and the Ultimate more like a Kollmorgen AKM44G. I had a VRS DFP once and from switching with the SC2 Pro I can tell, there is a bit less friction in the SC2-motorshaft. The VRS with 0% dampening felt a bit like 5% with the SC2 Pro. Doesn't make a difference and I almost sold the SC2 Pro for the VRS, but TrueDrive updates did some changes that changed my mind.
What wheel had this miss-shifts? From experience this could be a shift-debouncing if shifting too quickly or a faulty micro-switch. I recently replaced a micro-switch of my Ascher buttonplate (USB) that did not recognized all shifts and it fixed it. First it started very rarely missing a shift before it got obvious that it's a hardware-issue.
@@Leynad778 the simucube 2 does not use lenze or kollmorgen motors, and there is nothing inferior about mige motors at all, in fact mige motors on simucubes own wiki info page were considered one of the higher end options in the OSW days and for the simucube 2 they manufacture their own motors I believe.
What people seem to not understand when it comes to granite devices is they are not known for their terrific motors they are known for their motor controllers and electronics, this is where they excel and this is what Asetek gained access to with the IP purchase so the motor controller and electronics is actually incredibly similar when compared side by side which I was lucky enough to do. The mige motor Asetek used is also a custom motor designed specifically for Asetek it is not off the shelf or OSW like it was for the VRS.
So when it comes to how the motors feel I have been lucky enough to try them side by side and there is very similar inertia in the motor, very similar smoothness between the two, it could be argued the asetek motor is faster but difficult for me to say I can be sure it is. The biggest difference is electronics but as I say this is where they actually probably share the most DNA, but anyway regardless what you think of the motors the end result is very similar and the simucube absolutely does not use kollmorgen or Lenze motors, this is for certain.
In regards to the shifting issues I had, I know for sure it’s not a common problem, the simucubes are built incredibly well and are reliable, it was most likely interference somewhere on my end, I use lots of wireless gear so something somewhere was messing up but I guess that’s why not relying on Bluetooth for a wireless connection is the best option, many manufacturers are moving away from Bluetooth for wireless where they can because of issues, moza actually have started V2 versions of its wheelbases which offer both Bluetooth and wired connection for data now because they had loads of issues with the V1 versions Bluetooth only.
" they manufacture their own motors I believe... absolutely does not use kollmorgen or Lenze motors, this is for certain"
Sorry, but that's total bullshit. You can't just produce servo-motors and very few companies know the trick, and not just for Sim-Racing....
Lenze and Kollmorgen use 24 mm shafts like Simucube 2 and Mige is using 22 mm and no way the Lenze m850 looks by chance like an SC2 Pro in silver. Just google it...
But Lenze doesn't provide anything similar to the Ultimate and the Kollmorgen AKM44G is obviously the SC2 Ultimate.
@@Leynad778 bro what are you talking about ''You can't just produce servo-motors and very few companies know the trick''... that is exactly what granite devices do, they manufacture their own servo motors. why on earth would they outsource motors at far larger cost when they make them, that would be like ferrari making their own engines but choosing to buy engines from lamborghini instead to use in their cars... just does not happen. Granite devices manufacture their own motors, period.
But the more important question here is... Who cares? like what difference does it really make, its a fallacy to suggest one is better than the other without actually knowing why one would be better than the other... you just heard through the grapevine than kollmorgen or lenze is the best so you believe that must be what is used in the simucubes, especially because one of the lenze models happens to have a similar body design to the simucube 2. Not only is it not important but its just not the case, Granite devices once again manufacture their own servo motors and electronics, its what they do. Their active pedals also use servo motors... guess who manufactures them motors... they do. We are talking about industrial servo motors, the manufacturer of which plays little part in the quality because they are designed to work in far more demanding scenario's... how often do you see a failed mige motor? it just does not happen.
by all means you can keep believing that granite devices would choose to buy servo motors from somebody else when they manufacture their own, if thats what you want to believe then good for you, but its wrong lol.
PS: The SC2 Sport is obviously the Lenze MCS, which has higher dynamics than the m850 according to Lenze, but SimuCube did the controllers obviously, so it's up to them what it outputs. Anyway, I would bet my life that I'm right on this because it's just f-ing obvious...
Hey Karl, great content as usual. In your personal opinion, if you had a Simucube Pro, Moza R21 and Simagic Alpha Ultimate sitting in front of you.. would you have a hard time deciding between the three? I am trying to figure out if there is any real difference, other than brand recognition, between the three brands when you're comparing 3 bases of similar NM. Do you find one brand/base to have much better tech and build quality over the next or would you say it all boils down to aesthetics and ecosystem?
Of those three Simucube stands above the other two IMO mate.
Hardware for all these wheelbases is very similar but the software is slightly different. Unless there's a compelling reason not to I would still go with what has become the standard.
Mate please can you help me movement system if I use simhub the movement stops do you have any idea why simhub doesn't work with my simulator? Thank you very much
Do you think asetek is better than simcube I can’t decide between asetek invicta or simcube ultimate
I'm curious for people that brought these high NM wheel bases what cockpit do you have to go along with them?🤔
I currently use a trak racer TR120, used it for both a simucube 2 pro and a Asetek invicta, before the TR120 I had a GTomega prime and that was fine aswell.
Simlab P1-X with a few mods to improve the ergonomics cos I'm on the tall side - with SC2 Pro
@@teabagmcpick889Which mount for P1x ? The normal one from Simlabs website ? If yes how does it hold ? Any flex under heavy torques ?
Simucube will be bringing out a new wheel base no doubt. If they do i dont think it will be all that different. Just more up to date ports etc more then likely.
Yeah just an evolution of what they have, similar to their joint offering from Asetek.
Have the SC2 Pro, but could never get it dialled in properly. Went back to my Thrustmaster gear which was more consistent across games.
Interesting mate!
which games ?
Would you pick the Asetek Invicta over the Simucube 2 Pro if the prices were completely equal and not a factor?
I'm choosing one of the two, and i don't know which
100% Yes! It's just a more polished product with modern features.
Thanks for the quick answer, i will definitely take your opinion into consideration! @@KarlGosling
@@KarlGoslingwould you take it over the ultimate
Ive had my sc2pro for 2 yrs now and I seldom go over 80% max (20nm) for vintage beasts.
Dont let me down Granite devices, I only just managed to convince the wife (my life) I'll never have to buy another base again. 😅
Yeah thats plenty of torque!
I think you're still sorted for now mate lol
simucube 2 sport and pro (version 2) don't come with a quick release, i'm pretty sure that version one for all three did though.
simucube bases were pretty much perfected dont expect new bases any time soon they keep improving software tho
I think Simucube has been around and is tried and true. Asetek may be the future but they are still new like so many. Jury is still out on reliability and service. Cautiously optimistic to be honest. Plus with the Asetek you have to get a new mounting system whereas I can use my existing one with simucube. So it brings the price up comparable. Good stuff tho
I’m not sure I agree about the mounting, ofcourse if you already have a simucube then you likely already have a mount but if you are choosing between the both of them having not had one before you would need to buy a mount for both because both do not bolt straight onto traditional rig wheel decks, simucube front mounts are often always extra so it’s really here nor there when it comes to mounting as both require a separate solution which adds cost.
Having had both you are right to say the simucube has proven reliability on its side though but that’s a given considering it’s been on the market years, I did have some issues with my simucube but I know they are not widespread, it’s for sure a tried and tested wheelbase and Asetek can’t compete with that, having an Asetek now I can see no reason it won’t be just as reliable though… everything besides the power supply seems great, I’ve seen some issues all over discord about the power supplies though not gonna lie.
@@jinx20001 yeah. I think the universal nature to the mounting system makes it easier to adopt the Simucube. If you have a front mount, no need to get a new one. If you choose Asetek you have to get a different front, even if you have an existing front mounting solution. Honestly I am just happy with all the competition. Although I do think they are so expensive. I want an SC2 pro but the VRS is likely where I will go. $799 undercuts them all and I won't need more than the 20nm of VRS. Enjoy the Asetek wheelbase too.
For the money nothing beats the VRS dfp
Hi Karl, Whats your favourite two colours?
I'm colour blind so colour really isn't my strong point! lol
@@KarlGosling oh sorry I didn’t know Karl, feel stupid asking now.
Also worth noting that Simucube recently announced there’s a Big firmware update coming for SC2 after the summer. New features and even better performance!
@tonygeddes9558 Glad to hear because I save now for SC2 PRO, so when I buy it I’m directly with the new firmware. Currently on Fanatec Podium DD2.
@@bmwM3M5M6 I bought my SC2 PRO recently. My first DD wheel. I came from a G923. I am sure you will not be disappointed. I love it. It’s Fantastic!
Karl, why dont you have a pop @ recording your races/rallying and uploading them? I reckon they be popular 👍
I did a few and they are reasonably popular but it needs to be a decent (entertaining) run or they are a bit boring to watch! lol
Wait. Is the Asatek a rebranded simucube? I'm confused
When Asetek decided to design a wheelbase they admitted that they didn’t really have the expertise to pull it off so they looked at many manufacturers with the goal of purchasing intellectual property (they say they looked at 100 plus manufacturers, didn’t know there were so many lol)
Anyway Asetek decided that the best manufacturer for them was granite devices because of the simucubes reputation and they came to a monetary agreement (I believe 1.6 million) in return for IP. What that IP got them was everything they needed to create a wheelbase at least on par with the simucubes, basically anything they needed help with they would have had the brains from simucube to help them and the IP purchase also allowed them to use parts of the simucube design, so there are many similarities between the bases, the QR is basically the same except Asetek took it one step further adding power and removing the need for a pin to lock it, the actual PCB of the bases also looks very similar also. Asetek then added features the simucube does not have like lighting, rear USB-C hub making it essentially a simucube 2.5.
So it’s not a rebranded simucube, they just share a lot of DNA because Asetek paid out the big Bucks to have access to what they considered and many agree is the best. Unfortunately for simucube what that means is the Asetek is as good where it matters which is on track while offering more modern features… fortunately for simucube none of that really matters because they have built up such a great reputation the brand name alone sells their products and they know it.
@@jinx20001 hi, you seem to know your stuff. I am an esports driver in assetto corsa competizione and I am looking for the best / quickest wheel I can get (reliability is also obviously important). From what I've gathered the asetek seems to have a slight edge in the performance side of things but I'm just worried about the reliability overtime. which wheelbase do you think is best for me?
@@trevorwenham6179 hi, the Asetek system essentially takes what the simucube has and makes improvements but that does not mean the simucube system is worse, it just means you as the user has less convenience, so there is no usb hub on the back of the simucube meaning you will need to plug everything you have directly into the pc which is potentially a wire mess, the quick release is also powered wi the Asetek which means you won’t be needing a wire for fully features wheels with lighting and displays etc BUT if you are ok with that I will actually say the simucube is the way to go, the hardware is second to none, I actually prefer the motor feel of the simucube if I’m being completely honest (and I own an asetek invicta now), I feel like the motor in the Asetek feels sloppy and the simucube feels tighter… so hard to explain why but to me it almost feels like a loose feeling with asetek and less control. The simucube also has proven reliability and amazing support on the simucube forums, I’ve found the Asetek support to be responsive on their discord but not very helpful, I feel like the guys at Asetek lack the knowledge and experience and it kinda shows.
So yeh…. As an Asetek owner it’s extremely difficult for me to say which is the one to get but I would urge people towards simucube actually.
@jinx20001 I’m new to all this. I thought long and hard about the Asetek bases but I’ve just ordered a Simucube 2 Pro. At the end of the day, Granite Devices really know what they’re doing whereas Asetek just paid to use certain parts and cobbled things together. Quite a lot of reports about Asetek power supplies failing, and some are dubious about the longevity of that QR with the power connection on it. For peace of mind I’m glad I chose the Simucube.
@@tonygeddes9558 well thats totally up to you, i can understand why the simucube is still very appealing but having had both the Asetek does offer more in my experience, not only does it offer more right now but the prospect of future updates is much more exciting, the simucube software seems to be near the end of it road with no more significant updates likely to come, it will never get an update to allow wheels with displays to work wireless for example because the hardware is limited in that way.
With all that said like i said i can see why people still gravitate to simucube, they have built great brand reputation, i just feel like they now need a simucube 3 to come along and it will almost certainly have a powered QR for example, they are not stupid, they know exactly where they are falling behind as the simucube 2 ages. You are right to say power supplies seem to be the weak sauce in the Asetek setup, had no issues with mine but yeh seen a few for sure.
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Good man!
I think it’s a few things that are not flush on the back, prob shouldn’t be stood up like that
What else can I get for that money? I also look at whatever else that can fulfill my entertainment and for that money I may consider buying a motorcycle!
I am starting out on sim racing and I just want the best I can get I got a good budged of 20k
If looking at wheel bases then go Asetek mate, best there is right now IMO! 𝗔𝘀𝗲𝘁𝗲𝗸 - www.asetek.com/simsports/?aff=Karl+Gosling
How's your Achillies doing?
Hmm not great, I still get up every day and walk with a limp until it eases off a bit, if I sit around for an hour or so it comes back, can't walk up or down stairs properly... but it is better than it was! lol
@@KarlGosling I have tight Achillies and they are most stiff in the mornings and evenings. I can always feel a bit of pain but not too bad. I always imagine them tearing if I'm not careful. I have VNM load cell pedals and they don't bother them one bit thankfully. Actually think it helps them because they are not as bad as before I built my rig. Will your Achillies ever be 100%?
Gotta be honest. Sounds like companies like Asetek are proper throwing the money at youtubers. There is a reason why everyone has been playing catch up to Simucube for years. They don't need to give away their wheel bases as they are the best and only now as technology in terms of wireless connectivity has developed maybe would you want a different offering.
For me simucubes wireless connection is still brilliant and my experience has been faultless.
Karl to say Simucube is less refined is just wrong in my opinion. And for some reason, spinning one expensive base on another all throughout the video seemed ridiculous, distracting, I would say disrespectful, (they are not cheap Chinese toys) and frankly annoying.
I agree ! Since Asetek came out you see all the sim racing youtubers with ridiculous thumbnails like "The Simucube 2 killer" etc.... To me they all shill for Asetek !
Or.... and what is actually the case, they are currently making some of the best hardware out there and all of use who use and test this stuff every single day agree.
@@ACFUN34@PhilDiasPJD or maybe simucube fan will be sad because the new one is better ? 💁♀
I went with simagic alpha half the price of both SC and Asetek and their wheels look miles better. I'll say more than 15nm I think your paying for nothing. For me I would take an SC over Asetek any day it looks better the software allows for setup downloads. The Asetek wheel look like bad toys I would be caught dead using their wheels especially at the price their asking. In the end that's more of a personal preference but with SC you get years of solide reputation and reliability. When your spending this amount of money it's more of a preference but I don't agree with the refined look of Asetek for me they look like expensive toys more than a functional piece of kit.
Its funny because i have had a simucube 2 and asetek invicta side by side and the Asetek really is just as solid, weighty and well put together to be honest, how they look visually is subjective ofcourse but i do think the Asetek looks better on my rig also, i know its that age old RGB argument but it actually adds a little something to it lol. The only thing i would question about the whole Asetek package is the power supply, im not gonna lie ive seen lots of people having failures with it and does concern me but apart from that, its just as nice in person as the simucube, in fact i had one major issue with the simucube many people will probably also have but not realize, if you keep adjusting the ariel on the back of the base the wire inside slowly twists round and round over time and can snap the connection off the board, i would bet if most people opened up the rear of their simucube they will find this wire has twisted really quite bad.
before having the forte wheel i would have completely agreed with you i really would, Aseteks photographers seemed to have missed the mark because when the products are in front of you they legit look pretty good and feel great... lets put it this way, with the simucube 2 pro i was using a cube controls F pro wheel before switching to the Asetek and the forte wheel and i hand on heart prefer the forte wheel and ofcourse the cube wheel was twice the cost... i had quite a few quality concerns with the cube wheel, the plastic button surrounds would be somewhat loose so you could literally pull them away from the body of the wheel with your fingers... not the first cube wheel ive had with that issue as i had an old cube formula pro wheel also with the same issue... cube controls by the way offered to take the wheel back and super glue it... yes, super glue, they refused to replace it because each wheel is bespoke and cant be resold unless refurbished at a large cost.
Anyway without waffling too much the forte wheel is just better made to be honest, no stupid button surrounds that work loose, the cube buttons would rattle also, the LED lighting is more defuse and even, the wheel has more input options (128 possible inputs, crazy), more encoders on the wheel, more paddle options, completely customizable removable grips etc its just... better and half the price almost.
@jinx20001 yeah like I said it's mostly subject time and asking around your bound to find people having issues with any product. I don't use cube controls wheels I find the quality vs price a tad expensive for what it is. For me the Asetek looks like a toy with plastic I'm really font like the briggt orange. For what they ask I'm just not into it. I love the simagic SC DD it's all metal and have a simple industrial build that will be timeless. My alpha is so small I can have it under my monitors. I've tried a few different brands and they all have good and bad for me simagic was a no Brainer SC and Asetek in Canada is so expensive and don't do anything different than simagic (even if they probably stole SC ideas lol) I have 3 simagic wheels and also use simcore faceplate nothing bad to say. In the end it comes down to what you prefer and that's the important part.
Thanks for sharing 👍 😊
I actually prefer simagic. Take it from someone who has used them all and even own the dd+ which is the wheelbase everyone is stating feels like asetek. I like the simagic much more. Its also believe it or not the smoothest wheelbase with its ffb delivery. It's one of the snappiest also. I do iwn the ultimate though. I absolutely love it. There is a floaty fluid feel to it that's unbeatable. I like it the most of all bases period. I'll never go to any other now. I'll wait for there new base later and buy that.
I'll take Simucube all day. They have created the most refined and functional wheel bases and I' d rather buy their product to continue supporting future advancement and innovation. Asetek bought ip from granite and is just looking to cash in on growth in sim racing, look at what they do with cpu cooling pumps; using stagnant pump design and do nothing to try to create innovation. I'd expect similar behavior in regard to wheel bases.
Their wheel bases, pedals and wheels have already demonstrated innovation and quality mate.
looks great but too rich for me
I honestly found your review a bit flawed and biased. Who cares if you have to spend 30 seconds going to a simucube site to get their software. Jeez, how often will you do that and as for the pin, well maybe takes 10 seconds longer but how many times would you change wheels? LED's on bases except for a blue power led are as useful as tits on a bull. AND I dont want my pedals plugged into my wheel base and if I had a USB wheel I dont want that plugged in there either. Much prefer "seperate" USB's for my racing connections. No idea on how good or bad the Asetek is but wonder how much they would cost in Oz. We seem to pay a huge premium down here.
btw: did you do a review of the Asetek because I wouldnt mind seeing it as I find most of your posts very good
Spot on Will. Definitely flawed and a total shill.
Will the points you raise are specific to you and personal preference, then answer is many people will care even if you don't mate.
Also at this price point everything should literally be the best of the best, which it was at the time of release but now things have moved on.
Asetek and Simucube have teamed up to make their wheel bases which is why they are currently (IMO) the best there is, they are en evolution of what you see here.
Yes mate review is on the channel.
Phil, you couldn't be any further from accurate.
@@KarlGosling disagree, all those things are minor and wouldn't enter the equation when I am buying gear. What I want to know is something we never get and I understand why and that is how reliable a product is. I liked Fantech DD2 but Fanny products suffered badly ( 3 x RMA's ) so I want to know if in 24 months it is still working and inserting a pin or going somewhere different to get the software doesnt worry me. Hopefully I will not need to go with "invicta" as my base will last a lot longer but will check out that review
ASETEK OR SIMCUBE ?
Asetek
@@KarlGosling Im between those lot of ppl prefered simcube others asetek that has me confused
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Karl, stop breaking yourself
It's getting ridiculous now isn't it Bob! Like I hit 43 and everything is starting to fall apart?! 🤦♂️
That Asetek payload must be juicy! Everyone knows by now that offerings from VRS or Simucube is miles ahead of everyone else, that being in quality built to last a lifetime, incomparable FFB outputs, (the others are simply a placebo effect). If you are on iRacing you need a DD and if you are on any other sim/game whatever you want to call it any steering would do even the G29. People on belt driven steering wheels, don't replace your gear to DD there is no point.
wow. You speak like the ambassador of the ENTIRE simracing world lol. Placebo effect, Asetek payload and the "no need to go from a belt driven steering wheels to DD" had me laughing. This post has it all folks!
@@alejandrojullian what have you tested? I bet that you tested all of them keyboards out there!
@@jamalghandour8650 lol. I'm currently in the fanatec ecosystem and will probably upgrade to a forte wheelbase. I'm not claiming to be an expert, I look to people like Karl who have the ability to test these before I go out and buy one. You, however, seem to just be a bitter old man. I hope you find what you are looking for in life.
@@jamalghandour8650 you are talking rubbish though, I think everybody by now knows you don’t need to buy a DD to be fast, it’s all about immersion and always has been, a g29 does not even feel like any car on planet earth, when you turn the steering wheel in a car you don’t feel notch notch notch do you, so there’s number 1 reason to upgrade from a g29… it does not even feel like a car. Besides that there are games that offer laser scanned tracks which means every bump if converted right should be present and correct, many of those smaller bumps and details are simply lost on a lower end wheel but with a DD there is no loss.
Anybody that knows DD wheelbases also know that the VRS is based off of older simucube 1/OSW hardware and naturally the simucube 2 is a step up from that so the VRS is technically inferior, the Asetek bases are literally based off of the simucube 2, they literally paid money to simucube in order to gain access to designs, software and technical know how and then they added features the simucube also does not have, I don’t know how people expect the simucube and VRS to be the best forever until the end of time lol