Motoz Tractionator Adventure Tires Deep Dive | Desert H/T vs. RallZ vs. Adv vs. GPS
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- This is a quick Deep Dive on the Motoz Tractionator Adventure Line of Tires from the Desert H/T 90% Dirt vs. the RallZ 80% Dirt vs. the Adv 60% Dirt vs. the GPS which is a 50/50 tire. Learn more and shop them all at my website below: www.Manybikes.biz
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I really like your reviews, all the important details we need. I’m 2500 miles into a rear GPS on my African Twin and very impressed so far. Thanks!
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
amazing video, and i loved the camera work.
Glad you enjoyed it
I love the MotoZ tires! Amazing traction.
Oh and that was an amazing camera man you had there!
Ride On!
Thank you for the amazing video work!
Always informative Kyle. I love your tire vids,and love using MotoZ tires on my adventure bike best tires around. Thx for all you do
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Thanks for a Great review
Yes Sir! Huge fan of Motoz since I first ran them in 2010 on my 950. High initial investment, but they pay for themselves with longevity.
Nice informative video Kyle. Once I wear out the Heidenau s on my Africa twin I will give them a look.
Sweet! I’d appreciate it if you give me a shot. www.manybikes.biz
Excellent rundown of MOTOZ tires! The desert H/T fatty front and Ralz rear on my DR650 are monsters off road and have worn great! Thanks Kyle!
How does the front H/T handle on the road, in curves?
@@airadaimagery692 It handle well. I have used it on the road a lot and it has done great. As with all knobby tires, it will wander a bit when you encounter grooves in the road. It also is challenging on metal grates on bridges bot the performance off road is worth the it. The fatty 100 mm wide front tire is much better in sand than a standard width front. Hope this reply helps!
Cheers!
Great combo!
love them, you deserved the credit for to get them, get them from you and get them for
as you say "phenomenal" price, cheers V!
Thanks for your support!
Absolute fantastic tyres. Put a set of Motoz GPS Tractionators on my Honda Africa Twin AS. Love them. Cheers Adventure Ryder
Awesome! Love to hear this! The Motoz line-up is one to be reconned with for sure! Maybe that's why Tusk and Mitas are going for the jugular?!
My klr 650 got the gps tire special on it and I never regret buying em
Nice! Happy to hear you are enjoying them.
I've run through Michelin, Hidenau, Continental, Dunlop, Mitas, and Motoz ADV tires. The Motoz RallZ tires are hands down the best for big ADV bikes. The only caveat I'd say is if you are running the Motoz RallZ front, get the tubeless version even if you're running a tube. The tube front has slightly thin sidewalls and I have damaged a couple of them on hard square edge hits. The tubless front has an extra ply and it's a little stronger. The rears are perfect in the tubeless version. I get about 4000 miles on the rear with a heavy throttle hand on my KTM 890 ADV R mostly off road, and about 6000 on the front. They have decent traction on the pavement and in the rain, and phenomenal traction off road for ADV tires.
I totally agree that the RallZ rear is "The Tire" these days... and up front I have different favorites depending on the ride. Not a fan of the RallZ front on pavement, that is for sure.
@@manybikes what's your favorite front to pair with the RallZ rear? I was thinking about trying the Pirelli next
@@Rourke-Slimer I really like the AX41 up front or the Anakee Wild.
Good summary of the Motoz lineup. Trying to decide which tires will be next for my 1290 SAR. Just wish the camera had been turned horizontal ;-)
Ha! Ha! I “hate vertical videos” but… it’s got different applications
Climate note on my experience;
Just mounted a Tractionator GPS rear on my Super Tenere. 175 miles of spinning and sliding on cold wet pavement. This thing sucks as bad as the Trailmax Mission for fall and winter in Western Washington state. Back to the Michelin Anakee Adventure for me.
Thanks for sharing, that sucks! For cold and wet I recommend the RallZ as it has Hybrid compound with Silica for optimum grip in mud and snow.
@manybikes RallZ looks really cool! I'm sure it would be a good fit if I left pavement more than 1% of the time. I'll go back to the Anakee Adventure, it'll lift the front wheel in 2nd gear in the rain.
Great, great reviews. Love your work. Thanks for taking the time to put out such great content. Question: 3 of us leaving on the TAT east to west in mid August. I’ve got it narrowed down to the Rallz or Adventure…..assuming they have our sizes (1 DR650 and 2 Himalayans). Do you have a recommendation? Traction is probably our priority but would like to make it to OR from NC without a tire change. Thanks!
Thanks for your kind words. Yes, the RallZ will go 4k miles or so and will have the best traction. A Dual Venture up front would be a perfect pairing. I have them in-stock. www.Manybikes.biz
@@manybikes Awesome. Thanks for the quick reply. We’ll be giving you a call as it gets closer to ride time. Appreciate the assistance.
Looking forward to it!
Nice video! I've watched some of your others,but this one covered all my questions. I have an Africa Twin. I'm thinking the adventure rear tire,and the dual adventure or the rallz front tire.
They used to have an adventure front to match the back,but it looks like they have done away with it? It looked good,but got bad reviews from everyone.
Thanks for watching! Great combos. The RallZ front I only recommend for mostly dirt riding. If running the highway the Dual Venture is the way to go!
Hello Kyle,
Love the videos. Going for ADV back and Dual front on my 890R.
Would love your opinion on the tire irons you carry out on long rides.
Also, I know they are tubeless on the 890R but do you have a recommendation for tubes… for when the tire is just unsalvageable with only plugs
Cheers from downtown Canada
Yes Sir! Tire irons I go with the Motion Pro Bead Pro irons and the axle bolt ones. Super light weight and they work! I carry a standard weight 21” tube. I’ve used it in the front and the rear. Here are the links: www.amazon.com/dp/B008OXIYM6/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_api_gl_i_8948M2X1WHGC2XK06TYN?linkCode=ml2&tag=manybikeskyle-20 and amzn.to/4afFLqe If you have a US address, I can provide the Motoz.
Great video as always. I want a tubeless set up, my wheel size, I can find the front Rallz, but no Rallz for the rear. So thinking of having the Adventure on the rear. Would you recommend that?
What size are you looking for?
yeah Kyle is right good tyres I rode a set for 14k km but now there is no stock in Europe.
Awesome!
Just got a new Motoz Adventure rear to try on my 23 890 ADVR. It sure seems heavy and stiff. Dreading mounting it myself. Lol. I was amazed i got 9k miles out the rear on the stock Mitas E09+'s, mind you its now to the center wear bar (nearly a slick in the center tread). Amazing how much meat is left on the sides and how flat/squared off the tire has got. I still get surprisingly good propulsion in the soft beach sand even without airing down. The front still seems to have plenty of life left. Between that and the cost of the Dual Venture, I've decided to wait a bit longer to replace the front. It was a tough decision not going back with the E09+. I daily commute the bike to work but try to hit the beach each weekend and also hit up a nearby area that tends to have a lot of slick clay mud. My thinking the adventure will do that better but not last quite as long. Any thoughts Kyle? @manybikes
Thanks for watching! 9k miles is great. That tire and the Adventure are very similar in performance. The tread depth on the Adv is 1/3rd deeper and is better in sand from what I’ve experienced.
A little over 1,000 miles on the Adventure rear and Dualventure front. So far the most stable ADV tire with the most traction I have ridden on dirt and in mud with my 1290, however, they also inspire the least confidence on pavement. The AX41s absolutely railed on pavement while doing pretty decent off-road, but, the rear would be smoked for any off-road work in under 1,500 miles.
The AX41 is a fantastic, but quick wearing tire. I’m surprised you found the Motoz to not allow you to rail in the twisties.
@@manybikes I wouldn't say that they don't allow me to rail, just that I don't have as much confidence in them as I did the AX41s. There just isn't as much feedback of the surface and it feels like a much harder compound.
@@exparrot9074 got it! Thanks for sharing.
Hey Kyle, maybe in a future vid you could show the difference in tread spacing on the different sizes. For example I've seen people say the 130/80 17 Rallz rear is much more aggressive than the 150/70 17 Rallz. Would be very nice to have confirmation of that and maybe even actual measurements before ordering one for my DR650.
Yes Sir! I actually have that one in the queue… width and weight are huge differences too.
Outstanding. Thanks for the reply.
The 130/80-17 is what comes on the 390 Adv. I’ve run two 150/80-17 tires on that wheel with great success. The tire manufacturer makes a big difference too… even when the sidewall dictates a size… the physical measurements and profiles are way off. Same with the 90/90-21 tube vs. tubeless. Pretty crazy really.
Can you reverse the Rally front tire like the dual venture? Great videos!
Unfortunately not... I would recommend the Mitas XT+ for a reversible more knobby front.
Hi Kyle, great review thanks. Question on the Dual Sport front and Adventure rear, do they have silica in for wet weather riding, and what’s your experience with them in the wet. Cheers. Paul.
Yes, they do... but the RallZ rear has more than the Adv rear. I really prefer the Rallz in Cold and Wet. It is my GoTo tire.
@@manybikes Many thanks Kyle, keep up the good work with the reviews and have a great Christmas. Cheers.
@@paulchambers2296 thank you Sir! Will do my best. Thanks for watching!
Another great review Kyle!.
What do you think about combining the MOTOZ ADV in the rear with the Rally in the front for a 2018 KTM 1290 SAR (similar to your 1190). Would be too noisy?, wet pavement traction?, would last 6.000 miles? (...no wheelies!).
Thanks!.
The Dual Venture up front is the only Motoz front I’d recommend on the front of our big bikes I’d any highway riding will be done. Way more stable at speed. Adv Rear & DV front is the $$$
@@manybikes Thanks Kyle!...I was just a little worried about the side traction issue of the DV you mentioned
The RallZ front on the street I haven’t liked at all. The Dual Venture is much better. Off road the RallZ is a touch better, but it doesn’t walk away from the Dual Venture.
Hey Kyle, Chris from south florida here. I have been binge watching your awesome videos and just subscribed. I have a 2023 BMW GSA I recently purchased and have about 2800 miles on the Metzler Karoo 3 tires the bike came with. They are starting to show some considerable wear on the rear tire. I will be looking to upgrade in the near future. I am very interested in the Motoz Tractionator GPS but when I query my bike on the Motoz website, there is only an option for the BMW 1200 GSA. I doesn't appear it is available for my bike. Am I missing something here? Anyway, look forward to your reply with much anticipation and especially look forward to watching more of your great videos man!
Thanks for watching. The GPS for your bike is the Size: 170/60-17 (72 Q) for the rear and Size: 120/70-19 (60 Q) for the front. I have them in-stock if you are interested. Free Shipping and No Tax. manybikes.company.site/products/Tractionator-GPS-Tire-p583461095
@@manybikes Just ordered a set Kyle!
Can you please inform us about which tires are DOT approved. Thank you for your professional grade presentation.
Every single tire I have reviewed is DOT approved.
Just bought the Adventure rear to replace my Anakee wild on my pan America. I bought it based on a lot of your videos. I only wish I lived in the US so I could have bought it from you. I love the Anakee wild but found the treads don’t last too long on gravel (much like you had mentioned in one of your comparison reviews). Still going to keep the Anakee Wild on the front, though. Hoping it’s a good combo. 🤞🏻 What do you think, Kyle?
Awesome! I hope you like them. The Wild front and Adventure rear is a great combo. I have run it twice now. It'll treat you well.
I have the Adventure on the rear of my T7 and the Dual Venture on the front. I find the Dual Venture front to be quite squirrelly above 70 mph but I think that’s because the T7 front is 1.85. Others who have 2.15 fronts don’t seem to have a problem.
Nice. Are you running the Tube Type front or the Tubeless? The Tubeless has less wander than the TT.
@@manybikes It is a tubeless front, but I just noticed it is for a 2.15-2.5 rim and mine is a 1.85, not sure if that matters. Lots of T7 owners in forums complain that the Dual Venture front is squirrelly at 70+ mph, but riders of other bikes don’t have the same complaint so 🤷♂️ Regardless, I agree that Motoz tires are the best!
@@2wheels.are.better.than4 try stiffening the rear preload a bit.
What is the tire between the desert h/t and the rally tire?
I’m looking to replace my Tusk Dsport Front tire on my 300 Rally. The Dsport performs great off road, but I would prefer something a little more sure footed On road, without loosing off road performance. H/T, or Rallz, or something different? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
The Dual Venture front tire the most sure footed Motoz front tire.
I have tye new dunlop raids on my vstrom 800 de. For some reason I get a whistle, howling noise at around 40 mph. It is wearing relatively fast as I do 70/30 paved/unpaved. The front tire will last longer than the rear, what rear do you recommend me to get? I was thinking of the dunlop trailmax missions. Any thoughts?
Many people LOVE the TrailMax Mission tires. I too get a howl with the front Raid. Not super loud but I can hear it.
Im running the rallz on the rear and AX41 front. Grip preference to dirt, which motoz front bests AX41 longevity and grip?
Thanks for watching! Grip is similar, but the Dual Venture (if flipped when needed) will outlast the AX41 3 to 1 in most cases. Check this out: How to Choose? 3 Top ADV Front Tires | Motoz Dual Venture & RallZ or Bridgestone AX41 @exploready
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Happy Thanksgiving Kyle...what your opinion the mitas e10 comparison to the motaz adventure dual venture combo??
Mitas is overhauling the entire lineup, The have the same pattern but new names and new compounds, means the E10 is old news now.
@@ogoshikimura5621 that may be but the mitas e10 Dakar is 150 dollars leas than motoz..I was just curious if it worth the extra money. And every aftermarket supplier has both in stock..
@@gabrielkopp2036 yeah I know, I just say they don’t make them anymore, so you technically just buy what’s left in stock. Anyway, it depends on the bike you have, size, tube or tubless etc. there is no general answer
@@ogoshikimura5621 I have the new vsrom 800de and need tubeless do to rim width even though it has tubes
Yup, I have the new tire ready for Pre-order on my site! manybikes.company.site/products/PRE-ORDER-Mitas-ENDURO-TRAIL-XT-ETA-Jan-2024-p590057705
Karl. Thinking of using the rear GPS to travel through Africa from UK. What’s the best mileage you believe we can get out of this rear. It will be mainly road gravel tracks etc. Cheers mate. Derek
Thanks for watching. It depends on the bike, how it’s loaded and pressures. Most get 10k to 12k miles from a set and some get a lot more.
@@manybikes T7 with soft luggage. I’m going to run the GPS rear with Duel Sport front. My mate also on T7 going to try and push the Adventure rear all the way with duel sport front. 😉👍
How is the Rallz combo on cold wet rocks and pavement? Better than the Anakee Wilds?
The RallZ has Hybrid compound with Silica for optimum grip in mud and snow.
How would you address the many many threads in many forums about the leaks found around the bead?
It is a thing with KTM tubeless rims specifically. I’ve seen the issue happen with all manufacturers tires. Some are better than others… some not. I know of three manufacturers who have changed their beads to suit those tubeless rims better. The leaky beads should be a thing of the past.
990 - thinking DV up front with a Rallz in back to replace my AX41s. I have a 1.6" Woody's on front - can I get away with the tubeless version and run a tube or best to get the tube version due to the skinny rim?
Tube version on the skinny rim is my preference. Either will work but the tube type is way more aggressive off-road
Thanks, even with the weight of the 990? I would prefer the added off-road traction.
@@bluebaaron748 I’ve run two of the tube type on my 1190, with a tubeless in between… the on road / highway is “vague” but the off road is fantastic!
When is the new mitas e09s coming out
January from what I’ve been told.
What are your thoughts on radial construction vs non racial? About to buy new rubber for my AT1100. As a professional car technical guy I can’t imagine not going with radials???
Yeah, there are few radials in popylar sizes for ADV tires. Radials have big benefits but the sidewalls have been more prone to damage than the bias tires from what I have seen.
Do you know why they do not offer the Tractionator Adventure front tire (at least not in the US) and only the Dual Venture? With the riding that I do, the GPS rear is perfect but the GPS front leaves me begging for better traction. If I were to buy a Dual Venture I do not think I would like the tire because of the amount of highway running I do.
Thank you for your inquiry. The Adventure front was discontinued here in the USA almost 3 years ago. It's highway manners were not up to speed. So the Dual Venture was developed and the ADV was replaced. The Dual Venture is the most common pairing with the GPS. It does better on the road than you would imagine while giving great off road traction.
i have the tractionator gps on my crf1000.
it is an ok tyre for dry asphalt and dirt-not mud.
also it is DANGEROUS in rain on tarmac.
i couldnt imagine a tyre like this would be so that slipery in rain. even the tiniest twist to the throttle makes it spin as if the AT is 500hp.....
i regret buying them tbh,...
Very interesting. I have only run the GPS twice... (R1200GSA and Africa Twin) and did not notice it being so slippery as you have experienced. What pressures are you running?
I slow down in rain with a gps set on 1200gsa
I installed a set of tractionator tires on my KTM 1290SAR the front tire is UNBELIEVABLY LOUD I literally get complaints from riding buddies. I fn hate it. Rear is pretty good tire overall. Come spring front is going to be given away. Jmtc
All of the tires I talked about in this video are Tracionator. The Desert HT and RallZ are loud on pavement but the Dual Venture and GPS are not. It really depends on the model. I'd recommend the AX41 as your replacement front tire. It is great and it is quiet.
why do they crack on the base of the knobblies?( talking about the rear one on the gs1250adv, air pressure 2.9 bar0
That's a great question. I've seen the cracks more on specific vehicles like your BMW and the Super Tenere more than others. 2.9 Bar is 42 psi... fully aired up and maybe even a little too full for daily non-loaded travel. Do you air down off road? There are lots of potential variables... and I don't have an answer for you. I have had a tire that cracked, on my 950 Super Enduro, and I cut it in half and the amount of ply and rubber under the crack is robust! There is no fear of the superficial surface cracks. I'll ask Motoz for a better answer.
@@manybikes I'm going to try the mitas 07 Dakar. The last 3 rear sets
kracked. Didn't do off rd and always in 2.9 bar. Longevity but never got to the bottom of it due to this issue. LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. My best wishes
Any knowledge about how they handle wet tarmac? Important where I live…
The RallZ / Dual Venture are the best in the wet from this line-up.
The Rallz has Hybrid compound with Silica for optimum grip in mud and snow.
Yes, in the wet I’d take the Rallz (for the silica), over the Adventure, every time - ask me how I know😮 Otherwise, the GPS also has good silica and I can recommend it off-road as well in everything other than long stretches of uphill mud or sand
I concur. Thanks for your input and feedback.
Can anyone give me a noise report for the tractionator GPS mounted in the off road position?
It’s quiet. No noise differences either direction.
@@manybikes great thank you!
Hi Kyle, you 100% sure the Rallz has silica?
Yeah they have. "Hybrid compound with Silica for optimum grip in mud and snow." from the spec sheet
Yes Sir!!! The RallZ has Hybrid compound with Silica for optimum grip in mud and snow.
@@ogoshikimura5621 Ha! Ha! Thanks for the support! Knowledge spreader right here ;)
Vertical video?
It fits some formats better than others... Sorry! I had a 5 min window and made the best of it.
Loved the content but please reconsider the format of the video next time, maybe keep this only for Shorts 😓
I totally understand! I typically record in 4k but needed the vertical clips… I’ll make another one just for you here in the future… my apologies.
@@manybikes LOL I can smell the sarcasm a mile away but yeah totally understandable 🤣