McLaren MP4-12C vs Ferrari 458 | Top Gear
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- čas přidán 11. 11. 2011
- Jeremy Clarkson takes to the wheel of the incredible McLaren MP4-12C as it meets its deadliest supercar rival, the Ferrari 458, in a full track test.
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Ferrari is about passion and flare, McLaren is about skill and performance. Both are specieal
Speciael? Seriously? Smh :/
Ja'crispy Diablo Yeah there both very special brands/cars
I know They are special brands, I'm just making fun of how you spelt special *facepalm
Ja'crispy Diablo Get over it, anyway you mispronounced face-palm
Wikipedia recognises it as 'facepalm', therefore I rest my case
Whenever I see the Ferrari 458 and Mclaren 12c begin thrown against each other, I kinda see Niki Lauda and James Hunt's rivalry (just saw Rush). Strangely enough, though, Lauda was the calculated one, but he drove for ferrari, which has produced the passionate live for the minute car. And Hunt was the chaotic partyman, and he drove for Mclaren, who have produced the clinical, precise instrument. It feels like the spirits of the two driver got put in the opposite cars.
the irony....
primeholyassasin20 Well, Britain and Ferrari don't work.
Ferrari & McLaren are the greatest racing teams in the world, and their rivalry has branched off into production cars, FINALLY.
primeholyassasin20 rip niki🙏
I suppose if that's the case, it's more comparable to Mika Hakkinen and Michael Schumacher, Mika was the quiet, calculated one and Schumi was more about passion and flair
Niki did win the F1 title for Mclaren in ‘84
the MP4 and 458 are the best of their generation in my eyes, right there with the Aventador. They all look so good 10+ years on - they really were the end of an era for supercars.
I don't think we will ever get supercars that look like these anymore.. it was truly the last ear of super car design
Yep, I still consider the MP4-12C one of my favourite cars of all time (on pair with the Carrera GT, 918 Spyder the P1 and many more)
I completely agree. I was just thinking the other day about how the three of them are truly mesmerizing cars, especially the Aventador and 458. I can’t think of supercars in that power class made in the last 8-10 years that have genuinely shocked me with their coolness like them. They STILL look and sound like the covers were pulled back on them yesterday.
Yup as a kid, the SLS, Gallardo, 458, 12C were all my dream cars
"the flap in the back raises while you brake hard so that you can't see what's hitting you in the back" classic clarkson👌🤣
Yup.. . That's one reason I love his shows and all the car reviews
still kind of a scary thing when doing circuit races
McLarens are like Porsches: They’re more math and science than passion and enthusiasm, but this by no means says they’re boring.
The grammar is pathetic in your statement
I think the deal is like their version of passion is making the car as best as they can with the tech available. Like to them making the mp4 so fast around a track was more important then making the traction control easy to turn off so you can slide it through turns
Kristof Alexy Then care to explain why they all look about the same?
Kristof Alexy That’s performance. Nothing to do with passion
@@Zak-ob5ze But it's still always better than your idiotic English tutor wannabe 'comment'
You know what else is missing zing? its a show called Top Gear US
Corvette Z06 is faster than the MP4 12c zinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng. Cheerio governor
McLaren mp4 12c= 250,000
Corvette zo6 = 72,000
Pissed off Brits = priceless ;)
Tommy Rice
whats the 1/4 mile time for the MP4 12 c?
the new zo6 auto is 650hp 0-60 in 2.9s and 1/4 mile 10.9 at 127mph
thisguy177 unfortunately the zo6 can't go round a corner.
funnybunnyissofunny2 wait it can't turn a corner?????? lol that's all it does with those huge wheels.
30 MPG??? Damn that things better then my "hybrid"
AXP Bonecrusher british miles to the gallon. For some reason they’re different and their numbers are more impressive
@@jonathanvictorica5816 Imperial gallons are bigger than US gallons. 1 Imperial gallon = about 1.2 US gallon.
Just stop being silly and convert to metric system
greathey1234 Wish we could
@@eddieyakin7173 in the UK they use litres at the petrol stations so why not km instead of miles?
I think the car looks wonderful, even as a Ferrari fan.
The very low, yet smooth and un-aggressive roofline is a true work of art, combine it with the alien-like rounded rear wing, the overall smooth shape of the car, the expressive headlights, the aggressive taillights and those wonderful gills, and you've got a perfect blend of futuristic engineering and modern art.
A beautiful car.
So hamilton watch and learn how to pass Massa without crashing. Classic Jeremy.
That didn't age well!!
@@chunaychaudhari1718 you’re not wrong, but in 2011 Hamilton & Massa had a lot of incidents so he had some truth in it, (even if it was mainly for comedy).
Still relevant even today lol
@@DaaaaaymanGreen What is more true than anything today is that Vettel still spins A LOT
You get more of a jolt if you.. Drove a Rolls Royce over a jaffa cake. The sh*t that guy says lmaooo
Legit laughed so hard, loved that so much.
Anyone else here after a decade? Man I missed out on these but glad to see them now
Me!
And I agree with you - but at least we saw them now and not say another 5 years later!
p1 has zing
so will the ne McLaren 650S!
Few years passed and I want to inform you that 720S has it all! yours sincerely, Human from the future.
T1000AX not as much as compettiters
Ferrari and porches
And now here comes the Mclaren Senna
T1000AX It has zing. But a different zing than the Ferrari.
I still think 12C is the best looking McLaren ever since they restarted making their own cars.
it reminds me of McLaren F1, especially when its in black
Me too
exactly
The front of the following McLaren cars are just ugly
MP4-12C very well may be ahead of it's time. That might explain why the popular opinion is "It's dull" or "doesn't have 'it' ", because you never truly know "it" when it's staring you in the face initially.
Anyway, frankly I really dig it and it's a car that I keep in my mind and coming back to. Its quiet styling and stellar engineering. The color. Just something about it.
Hi Michael, reading your comment seven years later! I think you were absolutely spot on. I really like your description about, ''it'' and ''staring you in the face''.
Anyhow seven years later and these McLarens are the best bargains in the suoercar world and I believe in another seven years they will finally be appreciated for the ultimate expression of precision we were capable of in 2010 ish. It is still staring people in the face, and they still don't quite, 'get it' .
I'll check back with you in 2030.
@@martinda7446 Looking forward to it, friend. Thanks for the nice comment to read on a lazy Wednesday evening.
I think the 12C aged well.
Considering you can pick them up for around 80k used now it is a very good entry super car on the used market.
I however probably would still go for a first gen R8 V10, that sound is lovely
U cant get them for 80k maybe 180k
@@natkobratko3198
You can actually get them from 60k upwards here in Europe.
Really depends on milage and condition.
@@ldorman i litterly look at autoscout wich is the biggest european marketplace and the cheapest one is 100k
@@natkobratko3198 here in Dubai they sell them for like 60-70k USD for 2012-2013 models
80K? So you can get two mclarens for the price of 1 R34 lmao.
0:30 that's such a sweet shot with the Ferrari
exactly
''hmmmm fun, i must look that up in a dictionary'' XDD 4:38
God l miss these guys, watching this just reminds me how good TG was with d these three, and just how bad it is now,sad really:-(
Captpicard Just watch The Grand Tour. The second season is fantastic.
Captpicard well yeah
Yeah The Grand Tour was good. Loved how they killed all the celebrities in the first season.
I had the absolute joy of stumbling upon a trailer today that was unloading a 12C from maintenance in Philly. Side note, there was a P1 and a 650S in the trailer going to someone else. Anyways, after about 10 minutes of me fawning over the car the owner invited me to ride shotgun in it, and let me say it was like nothing else. Criticizing a car that fast for being boring is like criticizing Chuck Norris for not being badass enough. It was an absolutely wonderful experience. In my eyes the McLaren is at least the Ferrari's equal
How can you compare when you clearly have only had any experience with one of them?
Well written
$3 million worth of cars and probably had $300k worth of cargo insurance as per Ed Bolian's Vinwiki stories
Well of course for the average Joe like you and I getting into a car as fast as a 12C would be very exciting. But Jeremy isn't like you. This man gas been testing and reviewing cars for decades now. He's probably driven over a hundred supercars in his life so his prospective is definitely very different from yours. In comparison to other supercars he's driven it would make sense that the 12C is boring to him.
S-Boy it is boring to him in the sense that it is perfect
6:07 dat girl in the bottom left corner with a shirt saying ''i am the stig'' :D
Yep!
.
Yeah
I want her
id want to sting
IMHO, I would imagine that the McLaren engineers intend for the "zing" Clarkson refers to, to be derived from the meticulous and scientific engineering precision used to craft the 12C.
Clarkson says nobody ever put a whoopee cushion on the CEO's chair which is why the car lacked "zing" right ? Well someone had the bright idea to shove mustard up his arse and now they made the P1 which is the exact opposite !
It looks beautiful and practical; cluckson just wants his beloved space thrusters sticking out of the windscreen wipers to match those on his head
McLarens catch on fire...
anyone remember when Clarkson made fun of this car? "does anyone want a drive around in my MP4--12C"
I love how Top Gear reviews their cars and makes them not seem like just machines, but automobiles that are very much "alive". Covering every aspect of each vehicle and making the specs come alive so to speak. This car is amazingly engineered, put this next to a Bugatti Veyron as far as mathematics and science goes.
1:03 anybody else noticed the music from Carbon?
It feels as though half of the people supporting the 458 think ferrari waved it's magic wand and created a masterpiece. The same people think the 12C is a result of perfectionist, OCD engineers. FUN FACT: the ferrari contains just as much technology, they are built in very similar looking factories with people who love cars the same amount. Yes the ferrari sounds better and has lighter steering; but, it is slower in every aspect, is worse in quality and has a harsh ride.
But, it's a Ferrari.
***** perfect response lol ;D
***** EXACTLY
***** and niki lauda said "it's a piece of shit".You know it if watch RUSH.
Jonathan Pratama I have, great film.
how times have changed. 675lt is more drama and the 488gtb is sensible choice
well the 650S and its replacement to be unveiled are the 488GTB competition (and the 650S is also a 458 Italia competitor). the 675LT is the 458 Speciale competition though as it is the track focused version of the 650S
dennis cheruiyot yes but then you've got the 650s the 570s 570 gt 540c and what ever else there is . they all have the same chassis as far as I'm aware and same twin turbo v8 in every car from the p1 all the way down . I just feel they just want to sell as many cars as possible . good for business but very bad for residual values and demand for them
6:12. I hope people saw that and the ones in the wheel chais in front of the guys in the hoodie. I'm not from the UK, but I do say thank you for your service :)
I'm sorry Jeremy, Ferrari have now become a cooperate machine. McLaren now has more zing than Ferrari, more than they ever had.
I personally love the MP-412C, I fell in love with it the second I saw it.
30mpg O.o what?!?!?!
Insane...
Mainly is because it has a small engine a 3.8 liter and turbocharged so it's quite compact than the 458 which is a 4.5 liter NA engine. But still if you trash it that hard then it certainly going to be 10-12 mpg probably
LONDON CALLING !! oh my god i felt so excited when i saw 2:38 and then rudie can't fail appeared on the track player
5:43 - james and his favourite place to rant about
The 458 is bang on amazing!
Respects for the MP4.
both the Ferrari and the McLaren are great, but i think we can all agree that Jeremy Clarkson's narration is truly a work of art.
Of all the things I miss about Top Gear. I think I miss the OG magnetic lap board the most
@3:45 Any normal guy who is not a millionaire would find joy 🤣
Next episode, please take us to the Ferrari factory, so we can see where all the passion coming from, and how they putting souls into their cars.
I know. It's such a lovely sight. It amazes me how much is still hand made. It's truly a stand out product in a sea of automated welding machines and engines built on assembly lines. Maserati, too, shares a lot of the Ferrari-type infrastructure and manufacturing processes. It's what makes them worth the money in this day and age where fast cars are a dime a dozen.
What he means by that.. was Ferrari has a character.. of being twitchy.. hard .. etc.. while Lamborghini being fearsome and mad .. these flaws or A Quality is what make the supercars what they are .. and thus gives them a character...
The McLaren in Jeremy's word .. did not have those factors that could make those cars have the characteristics of a human... Thus it was a bit dull even though it was faster
1:12
you know it's jeremy clarkson who made up this sentence even if it's someone else saying it.
I remember watching that episode when it came out and I was absolutely amazed at how much faster it was than the 458. Still a great car.
id take the 12c...idk it just looks better ☻
AndrewMiller what do u think about the p1? (I know obviously not in video)
12c and P1 are very good.
Kang Ren don't forget the 570s ;)
12c is outdated the p1 is the new beast
Apples 37 yeah unfortunately, but it's still my favourite 👌👌
what I love about McLaren is that they seem to listen to customers and their cars just keep getting better and better
They're so over engineered, and honestly too refined.
@@ryze9153 And? They are a car for car enthusiasts, not just someone who wants a flashy status symbol like a Lamborghini or even a Ferrari these days. If you want a car that you can derive pleasure from pushing to the limit, then a McLaren is far ahead of both of these manufacturers.
@@combatwombat8581 I'm just sayin I'd rather have almost any other supercar than a mclaren.
@@combatwombat8581 true! And their used car is quite cheap, for example a used mp4 is cost 40-45% less than used 458 here in indonesia. Good bargain, good entry
level to supercar world
@@combatwombat8581 not really, mclaren is known to be basically the least reliable in the supercar world, there are so many mp4s that need new engines transmissions etc for instance while something like the 458 actually has a solidly designed v8. mclaren is definitely much more refined in both styling and features with a lot less weird italian quirks but they do suffer a lot in many ways
amazing car, my friend works for McLaren and he had one for the weekend (as it was his 30th) i had a 1hr 30 min road trip init, simply amazing. Super car with luxury
You and your friend are goddamn lucky.
3:27 Could you imagine putting a whoopee-cushion on Enzo Ferrari's chair? You wouldn't wake up with a horse's head on your pillow... you wouldn't wake up at all!
yeah i get its missing zing, but i mean.... 3 seconds faster around a 1 min race track is mental. i never knew they were that much faster. that's incredible.
Have you guys noticed the small man on the right with both of his feet missing at 6:00
JamesBottlehead that's the proof he is a hero for his country
Nissan GTR + Tesla Model S = Mclaren MP4-12C
Speed, power, comfort, technologie, rounded curves, big touchscreen interface.
Lihao Hu Where'd the electric motor go?
Dilip Tien He meant McLaren P1.
what was that background music at 5:00? like it very much
oh man id wish to have both these cars... just to look at them, to drive them is a different story.
I love the taglines on this show!
4:55 - That, is a pair of stockings.
5:59 - Some say that he refuses to acknowledge the existence of Nottinghamshire.
Who comes up with them LOL!
Jeremy Clarkson does lol, he writes the scripts
Holy hell this comment was 8 years ago
"Millimetrically perfect!" Ha ha. Brilliant Jeremy. Stockings indeed!!
Does any know what the soundtrack at 1:15 is? The one where he's talking about the rear spoiler and suspension. Please I really need it.
Toby Yuchuan Chu - The pathway
thank gosh i saw this car on NFS: Hot Pursuit... this is my favorite car now
That Ferrari 458 is still an all time greatest looking car
Agreed. Beautiful model. But I'd still take the 12c over it :P
I'd love to have either of them, but the mp4 is just like my dream car it looks nice, sounds nice, and drives nice.
Fron Miami USA.... Thanks for the Super Program Dios Les De Mucha Salud. .....Gracias
I agree with Jeremy totally on the 12C. Its scientifically and mathematically better than ferraris but there is something missing that is key in a supercar and that is style and that aggressive sharp, rugged look that you should get such as in a lamborghini.
The question you should be asking yourself is "Which interior holds up better to the fumes of cooking meth?"
World Known haha nice! I agree, idk what they're on about. Top Gear always has a problem with cars that are too good, cars that are damn near perfect. Purist af. They practically said the same about the Aventador. When did progress become a bad thing?
Aerophyle
Yea he said that when driving the Aventador, he didn't feel like it was trying to kill him.... and that upset him.... Like that I really don't understand, since when do you want a car to feel like it's going to kill you?
World Known Hammond also said I believe "You have to drive the old ones to know what I'm talking about." I can agree that Lamborghini has lost some touch with the devil in their cars; but the thing pulls like a viper so I don't know why Hammond didn't like it.
Aerophyle to tell the truth i totally get what hammond is on about, its the same thing when people talk about the older F1 cars, they were more basic, less technological, it made you feel more in control but scared you so much more... in essence the older cars were more of an event to drive, more fun. Though i'll admit there is absolutely nothing wrong with an Aventador (Personally i have never wanted a car so much).
There's no denying that the 458 is a brilliant car, it truly is one of the greats. However, if I had the money for only one of these, it would be the 12C. It's a much better everyday car as well as being a more planted track car with the pedigree of McLaren's F1 history. The dual personality of this car is what makes it great, a calm everyday car that. in the next moment, can take your face off. It is understated perfection that will be very difficult for anyone else to match
pick up truck tow and load as heavy as possible, Hybrid car as efficient as they possible, Family car as reliable as they can. So why not a Supercar be as quick as possible instead of as fun as possible?
chhdhhd That Ford is junk. Waste of money, no science, no physics. GTR is a better, smarter more reliable car.
chhdhhd Straight line is one of the story, most important is track. That Fox body Mustang will get rape around a race track by a stock GTR.
Well maybe it going in a straight line as fast as possible is a little bit boring.
The coolest thing about the car I think is how you open the door, I saw it at a dealership and the guy (who owned it) showed me around the car, its really comfortable and all.
The lap time is fast but Mclaren claimed with a lighter package a time of 1:12.915. I love to see them test the Sprint Gt. It is 5 sec faster then 12c says Mclaren.
The launch control on this beautiful machine.
exactly
"When you driving a Lamborghini, it's like operating a horse with a mustard stuck on its bottom "
The wing mirrors are the coolest design cue!
Years later, th 600LT was put up against the 488 Pista, and it reminded me of this video.
This McLaren is one of my favorite overall cars ever
me too,a masterpiece this is
I'm a bigger fan of the MP4-12C as well. I think it looks beautiful, and I don't think the name is all that bad. I was lucky enough to see one in traffic, and I live in Oklahoma. Miracle.
A decadr on and every mid engine car just feels like a derivative of these somehow design wise. What an era
The 12C is way beyond its time.So many technologies put into to this car that most Journalist unable to grasp. Just like the F1 only the future will tells.
05:25
Angela Merkel on bottom left :D LMAO
during fifth gear it was slower than the ferrari, because the driver was fighting the traction control, and the presenter said that it was programmed to work with mclarens drivers. In this video, the stig and the mclaren are a dream team with staggering results. Also, the mp4-12c was developed at the top gear track. I think the stig is a f1 driver from mclaren.
I sat in one of these today at a car show, things are sweet... Although there was also a 458 italia there, the guy wouldn't let me sit in it since he was no wheres to be found, but so the coolest guy for sure had a f430, he didn't only let me sit in it, but also start it and rev it up too
2018 HERE. I MISS JEREMY HAMMOND AND MAY BRING THEN BACK PLEEEEEAAAASSSEEEEE !!!!!!!
MP4 still the nicest looking mclarren in my opinion
Well, I'd argue for the P1. That machine is murderously sensual.
Clarkson : Lewis Hamilton this is how you pass a Ferrari without crashing into it
BRUH XD
Really want one now. Looks more timeless than the revised ones
I don't understand why people give a thumb down to this. If you don't like Top Gear, just move on. This is pure entertainment, anyone who took it seriously and started giving lectures here is taking this the wrong way... chill out and enjoy! Top Gear is still the best show on TV!!!
Am I the only one who thinks the MP4-12C is the most gorgeous car ever made? No other car flows like a McLaren
Null I just love the way it looks
Beginning is traction control on versus the Ferrari with it off. Of course it's going to slide.
How do you know that the Ferrari's turned off?
+Van Romondt its pretty obvious...
because its sliding..
This is the best review in Top Gear history if we’re talking editing and production
If you guys are wondering what is that song at 0:57, it's Ekstrak - Limited Slip.
7:10 bet that would have upset the Ferrari.
Fast is better, safer is better, precision is better, technology is better, be the best is better, 12C is better.
Maurício Togawa nope, FUN is always better then FAST
RISEUP Gamer yes it is better than fast
But it depeciated significantly and isn't as good looking as the 458
RISEUP Gamer not to mention that it has the same 0-60 as a Huracán Performante as well as Mclaren having a famously good customer service and bumper to bumper guarantee
With that logic a Tesla is pretty much better than anything else.
I love the mp4 but you gotta admit that a car developed and tuned at that very track has a crazy advantage for just a stock lap time
" It lets you drive hard, but with out killing your self" lololol
I love how this car does 0-124 in less time than my car does 0-60. And still has a better fuel economy. Not to mention that top speed of 205 mph. >.>
218mph actually, they just don't list it at that.
@@combatwombat8581 you'll be glad to know that in the 10 years since I made this comment, I finally got a car that does 0-60 faster than the Mp4-12c does 0-124!
@@TheBlackWaltz Haha nice! What car is it?
@@combatwombat8581 2015 mustang gt. It's great. No mclaren though.
@@TheBlackWaltz u literally comeback 10yrs later wkwkw never seen this type of comment on yt
1:59 why the blur?
Does somebody know if the colour of the top gear 12c is „chrome-orange“ Ort normal orange
Thanks
it's actually possible, it would make each turbo faster, pushing more air into the engine, the only problem is that the exhaust gas has to be able to push both turbines, and it would probably be harder until you reach higher speeds where the turbo really kicks in.
Love the 12C, it's my perfect dream car.
Most prefer super cars that perform well, but also put up a fight; that have a sense of risk and thrill to them.
I on the other hand, am in no mood for such things; I prefer only the fastest, and smoothest of rides, one that feels like your everyday automatic street car... going at 200 mph. It's effective, simple, and precise. A cold, calculative car that gets the job done without error.
As for the look, the front reminds me of my favourite Ferrari, the 430. And the back is easily distinguishable to all other super cars on the market, crept for later McLaren models like the 650S and 675LT. The car isn't all that exotic looking, but isn't bland or boring either, it's a good medium between the two.
Phendranaguardian It's just like the 1960s Chevrolet Corvette Stingray, which, to be honest, is a supercar. That means it wasn't compared to other cars from America, it was compared to the Porsche 911 and the Lamborghini Miura. The 12C is a reboot of the skill and performance brought by Chevy in the 60s.
Agree with you 100% I hope to own one someday
I agree with you
1:41
Jeremy i got 1 question for you
WHAT ARE THOOOOOSE
You are 3 years two early
Can't wait to see the p1
So true what jeremy said about the mcLaren's style
"So Lewis this is how you pass a ferrari"
Those were the good times for me as a Ferrari fan
1:25 HOW
Wait wait wait... That thing's faster than the Veyron SS AND Gumpert Apollo on the track!? Okay, now I'm really sold.
As a 12C owner, I have to admit that this is the perfect car when it's working, and if it's working
0:20 this didn't age very well
Let me update that for 2020:
"So Lewis Hamilton, watch and learn. This is how you lap a Ferrari"
so in other words its too perfect
THE GRIP!! Very rarely can a car go around that track without a tad of oversteer! It look like it was full pelt and didn't worry
Do a vidoe on the Mclairn p1