The Worst Lose-Lose Trades in MLB History
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Well, time to turn things to the other side. Let's look at some trades where both teams were probably better off just hanging up the phone.
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00:00 Introduction
00:41 Kimbrel for Madrigal / Heuer
02:15 Bud Norris for Josh Hader
03:46 Berkman for Melancon / Paredes
05:11 David Wells for a #2 Prospect
06:38 Milton Bradley for Carlos Silva
08:15 Ubaldo Jimenez for Drew Pomeranz
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As a Cubs fan, I much preferred Carlos Silva to Milton Bradley. I get why it’s on here from an on-the-field perspective, but Bradley was such a team cancer.
Carlos Silva was one of the few watchable things during his time with the Cubs
he started out 8-0 and got snubbed from the all star game
Agree’d it’s hard to get boo’d by cubs fans at home but he sure earned em
As a Brewers fan, I still remember a game at Wrigley where Bradley caught what he thought was the 3rd out of the inning and threw the ball into the stands. It was only the 2nd and there were runners on. Boy, did he get booed.
@@danr154That's because he also gave up more Hits than Strike Outs and had an incredibly lucky Flyball to Hr Rate. I'm a Mariners Fan. I saw both these players. At no point was Carlos Silva ever anywhere near worthy of being an All Star. He won because he had incredible run support. The lowest Run Support he had was a 4-3 victory over the Marlins. Every other game? 7, 9, 7, 14, 6, 5, 5....in 3 of those Games, Silva only pitched 5 innnings and never once went past 7 innings. He was the biggest Luck Ball Pitcher of the Era.
The Astros deal was even worse if you consider that Fiers ended up being the whistleblower for the Sign Stealing Scandal
Yes, blame the guy who told the truth about the cheating instead of recognizing he did the right thing and that the blame is fully on the team. Some people never learn.
@@Juhaliza Facts. Fiers wasn't an Astro anymore, he owed them nothing
Fiers is the biggest POS of all of them. He had no problem with the cheating when he was on the team. He waited almost 2 years, until he wasn't on the team anymore. And it's not like he snitched because he felt bad about cheating or for some moral reason, he did it solely to give his new team an advantage and to give a middle finger to the Astros for not resigning him. That man never did the "right thing" once in that entire debacle. At least recently he washed out of some league in China, good riddance,the baseball world is better without that douchebag in it.
@@candidfob8423 thats why mike fiers is hated by almost all astros fans, he seemed to do it out of spite instead of wanting doing the right thing since he never called it out when he was on astros.
@@Juhalizathe original commenter isn’t blaming him at all. He’s talking about from the Astros’ organizations perspective. And Fiers being the whistleblower was unequivocally bad for that organization.
Frankie Montas looks like a lose lose
yes
waldichuck has looked pretty good for the a’s
@@jsworld8842 7.02 ERA
@@zacherygoldstein1810 Still young. The A's have 5 more years for him to figure it out and extract some value. Well 3-4 years for him to get good and to flip him.
@@Mustango5 right now it looks like a lose lose tho. In the future it can be a kinda win for the As, but right now that trade sucks
As a person who is so much of a pessimist that I say “Season’s over” whenever my team loses literally one game, I can already tell I’m gonna love this video.
Update: Loved it.
2010 Ubaldo Jimenez will forever be tattooed in my memory. In 18 starts, dude was 15-1 with a 2.20 ERA and 113 K's in 127 IP at the All Star break. At this point, it wasn't a matter of if he'd win 20 games because that was a forgone conclusion, it was how big his Cy Young win margin would be. Instead, during his final 15 starts he went 4-7 with a 3.80 ERA and 101 K's in 94.2 IP. He still put up a fantastic season, no question but man, we all thought we were gonna see a 25 win season.
October 2016 will be ingrained in my memory forever because of Ubaldo. Buck Showalter must have thought he was still in the first half of 2010 where Ubaldo Jimenez was a Cy-Young caliber pitcher and Britton was in the minors.
a 3.80 at coors is still really damn good! as you said, ubaldo was impressive as hell that year, even when he wasn't.
I knew people talking about him winning 30 games that year.
Everything changed for him in 2010 when the Phillies hammered him in a late July Fox Saturday game of the week. Chased him after 2 innings and half a dozen runs or more. He went 4-7 from that day on and the image was shattered.
Won a Yahoo Fantasy league with him that year.
Drew Pomeranz has had a very interesting career, from early struggles, to success in Oakland, to being the last guy left in the Red Sox bullpen in the 18 inning game in the world series, to success in San Diego and injuries. I think he would be a fascinating video topic.
I remember him mostly for the fact that Preller got in deep shit for hiding his medical records.
He’s also one of those guys where you can’t believe he’s only 34 - it feels like he’s been around forever
As a Cubs fan, Milton Bradley was a complete disaster. I couldn't believe it when they signed him, and I was happy to see him gone. Silva was good enough. This was a clear win for the Cubs.
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Silva’s 2010 first half 💯
@@rallycapandstandingNo. His first half was Fluke Luck Ball Pitching with incredible run support against shit teams. In those "8 wins" (horrible stat to use), he had 63 runs scored by his team. For reference, he only pitched 54 innings in that stretch, never once getting out of the 7th inning and going only 5 innings in 3 of them.
His first half was a mediocre fluke propelled solely by run support, Flyball to Hr ratio luck, and playing shitty teams. That's all.
Those 3 team deals were always interesting to me. A video detailing some of those would be a good watch
There was a really strange trade in 2007 where veteran pitcher Matt Morris got traded by the last-place Giants to the last-place Pirates. It's strange why the Pirates even wanted him, as they had to take on his contract and had no shot of making the postseason. The Giants got a young Rajai Davis in return, but he didn't pan out in San Francisco and was out by the middle of next season.
I sometimes think the Pirates FO makes decision by shaking a magic 8-ball.
2023 Jesse Winker and Abraham Toro for Kolton Wong. Both took months for to hit home runs. It was so bad that Toro went yard before them both and he spent the first 2-3 months in triple A.
Shea Hillenbrand for Byung-Hyun Kim in 2003 is another one in (somewhat) recent memory for my Sox. Kim was okay in his one nearly-full season then cratered in early 2004, and he never really fit into the culture of the team. We let him go the next year for Charles Johnson and Chris Narveson, neither of whom ever played for us. Meanwhile Hillenbrand was also kind of a dud in 1 1/2 years in Arizona, an okay bat but bad glove to make up for it.
Kim was acquired May 29 and put up 1.5 WAR for Boston. If Grady fucking Little had committed to using him as a closer or a starter and hadn't ruined his arm, this is a slam dunk win for the Sox. Shea Hillenbrand is one of the dumbest baseball IQ guys in history, and had almost no value in any aspect.
Brent Rooker for Cam Gallagher last year for the Padres and Royals. Granted I think both teams didn’t see the trade as worthwhile on the surface, but I think the either team would’ve loved to have Rooker’s current impact in their lineups this year
Feels like Montero-Pineda belongs in here.
Both had so much hype, looked amazing early in their careers.
Montero fell off a cliff and ended up back in the minors, with scouts sending him ice cream sandwiches and starting a fight.
Pineda seemed to be solid, but just couldn’t stay healthy for the most part.
i'm a yankees fan and liked the trade bc the yankees really needed pitching. most of my yankees fan friends didn't like it. pineda ended up not being nearly as good as i hoped and it was still a win for the yankees.
Jolly been uploading some bangers recently.
tbf for the cubs Madigral has been hitting better this season and that negative war is more a case of him playing new positions like 3b. Codi should be back this season from the injury and he was solid in 21 following the trade
Yeah, I feel like the Cubs won this trade. They got 2 guys with 3+ years of control with good potential in exchange for 1.5 years of Kimbrel, and we’ve seen how quickly relievers can fall off (especially Cardiac Craig).
Kimbrel was bad his first 2 years with the cubs. He was good his 3rd year but he still had the same issues with controlling his curve that caused him to walk too many batters and the cubs were smart moving on from him
Heuer pitched briefly with the Iowa Cubs last season rehabbing from Tommy John surgery but was released after getting injured again and caught on with Texas on a minor league deal. He's back on the 60 day DL, it looks like. Madrigal has all but worn out his welcome with the Cubs and fans are calling for him to be DFAed. He has a negative 0.4 WAR so far in 2024. Looks like both players will be out of baseball within the next couple of years.
should included the second part of the kimbrel trade when he was traded to the dodgers
for an aj pollock who didnt really do anything on the southside, doesn't really move the needle
@@notumbre thats the point
The Cubs absolutely won the first trade. They dumped salary and got some pieces that just existed while they were rebuilding. That was what they wanted
This is nonsense. When you are trading the top reliever on the market at the trade deadline, you are seeking legitimate future pieces - not just bodies to eat innings. Awful trade for both sides
@@Smartrinse24 what? I’m not saying they couldn’t have gotten more. But keeping Kimbrel would’ve been stupid and pointless. They did exactly what they wanted to do, got rid of his contract and got some placeholders in the meantime as they sucked. They definitely didn’t “lose” the trade as they got their desired goal anyways. Could they have won more? Probably. But you can’t lose the trade when the goal is to dump salary and you achieve that
Going back a little bit as a Twins fan, the all-time lose-lose trade was Tom Brunansky for Tom Herr early in the 1988 season. Both were very popular, productive and happy where they were before the trade. Herr cried when he was traded, was miserable in Minnesota, and was gone after a year. Brunansky didn't do much with the Cardinals, either.
I’d like to see a trade history video on the Brewers. They’re probably one of the most prolific and no one really talks about it.
The trade they made sending Sexson to Arizona deserves a video by itself
Michael Pineda for Jesus Montero is one.
That’s always what comes to mind first for me when I think of lose-lose trades. Two teams exchanged the guy ranked as the top prospect in each organization. Pineda was serviceable but they both kind of busted compared to what they were supposed to be. Not crazy to think both guys might have had much better careers if never traded. I’m certain both teams would like that one back.
This was the first one I thought of when I saw the video topic. Also, I ruined Montero during a spring training game in 2011 by calling him Hensley Muelens and Kevin Mass. If only he ever reached Maas levels!
I would have traded Montero for an ice cream sandwich.
You never disappoint! Great video. Ubaldo was a rollercoaster.
I think it’d be fun to see a video of trades where one team got fleeced. For example, the tigers got miggy for about 6-7 minor league guys who didn’t do well for the marlins. I think only Miller and Maybin had careers beyond the marlins
Cross town trades would be a great video. Cubs and Sox trades as well as Yankees Mets.
Nice, was hoping you'd make this!
The Norris trade is mind blowing and I love the chaos that ensued.
Maybe a video highlighting trades where a player was acquired by a team and then flipped right away? Like the Twins getting IKF from Texas and then flipping him to New York with Josh Donaldson
Even at the time, local papers described the Silva for Bradley trade as "my garbage for your trash." Neither team cared all that much about what they were getting. Far more important was what they were getting rid of.
Fun video! Do the best Win- Lose trades
Another good one especially now that all players are off the original teams is Yu Darvish's 2017 trade from the rangers to dodgers for Willie Calhoun AJ Alexy and Brendon Davis.
God I remember when the Cubs signed Bradley, he was almost immediately a complete distraction and I remember being pleasantly surprised by Silva. Basically a solid 3-4 starter albeit the team eating a ton of money. Worth it.
love this! oo how about a video on the best AAAA players
Maybe still a bit early, but the mariners and brewers swapping Kolton wong(-1.1 War) for Jesse Winker and Abraham toro (combined -0.5 War) seems likley to join this list.
The man delivered yet again
New sub, you rule! Great video
Lance Berkman dissed the Astros AND the Yankees in a year and a half. National hero.
These are my favorite type of videos. Hoping for Win-Lose next
That's like most trades in history I feel like
Another great vid by the Ecstatic Pickle
I remember George Kottaras getting shipped out of Boston because the Red Sox had let Doug Mirabelli go, and then came to realize nobody else could really catch Tim Wakefield's knuckleball, so there went the spoils of the Wells trade for a backup catcher with 1 purpose
Milton Bradley had legitimate beef around 6:50 with that umpire
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Next should be most underrated trades. Or trades that no one talks about but had major impacts for one or both teams.
Been a Cubs fan since I was 9 and literally refused to go to games while Bradley was with the team. Getting for him was worse than Brock for Broglio (that'll tell ya how long I've been a Cubs fan)! Cheers....
Could you do a trade history of the orioles?
The Glenn Davis trade was karma for stealing Frank Robinson. But we got some value from the Bedard and Tejada trades.
As a white Sox fan the Kimbrell one just doesn't make any sense. He was godlike with the Cubs but the moment he switched teams he was terrible. Was still terrible after we gave him up. The move also made sense. We needed BP depth more than we needed Madrigal. Sure we were losing .300 hitter BUT with the talent we had everywhere else it just made sense
The Ubaldo trade was totally perplexing at the time. Cleveland was giving up White and Pomeranz, their two best prospects, for a guy who by all appearances just had a good first half in 2010. You'd get it if he were still pitching at that level, or if the package were less because they were buying low.
I’m not sure I agree with the framing on the Bud Norris trade. The Orioles traded for the club control portion of his contract and that worked out fine. I largely don’t think extensions should be considered in terms of win/lose on a trade, with the exception being those immediate extensions like Berrios and Castillo because that extension was a clear requisite to the trade happening in the first place.
As a long time Orioles fan It is easy to look at Josh Hader with regret. (Compounded on my behalf by seeing his pitch with Lancaster multiple times that year and absolutely dominate a hitter friendly California League as a 19 year old.)
At the time Hader was a throw in on the Norris trade. Scouting reports noted his quirky motion and lack of control. History showed that combo indicated long term injury concerns. It wasn't until Hader was traded to the Brewers who used motion capture to analyse his delivery and 'discovered' his 'quirky' delivery caused no more stress on his shoulder than 'traditional' deliveries.
Getting Silva (competent MLB starter with money covering nearly half his contract) for Bradley (extreme negative value) was actually a masterclass trade imo.
Gonna keep asking for a Matt Kemp career breakdown from Jolly 🙏🏼🙏🏼
A.J. Pollock Trade with Craig Kimbrel will be unforgettable by me. They were both coming off good years the season before. Despite Craig having it bad with the White Sox, it was just bad news for me when he was traded with Pollock, who was at his best year with the Dodgers. It all went downhill after that. The rest is history.
Back in 2014, the tigers and rangers swapped big contracts.
The Rangers got Prince Fielder
The Tigers got Ian Kinsler
Kinsler was a fan favorite in Texas and had some decent years but wasn’t able to get Detroit back to the World Series.
Fielder had several prominent injuries and sadly, had to call it a career at just 33 years old
Tigers won that trade big time.
As a Cubs fan, that trade won for the team as Madrigal has contributed this seasons playoff run
I'd personally like to see a greatest "rental" players video! For example, CC Sabathia with the Brewers in 2008.
Shout out to having good sponsors cause my wife rocks several carats of light box. All vs1 1k per carat. There are way cooler, way rarer stones to spend money on.
Madrigal since this video-120 wrc+ and playing a really good 3b
I don't know if the Orioles get the division in 2014 without Bud Norris. People forget how injured the team was that year. I don't think I have any regrets about that trade.
1st example is a massive win for the Cubs. Madrigal is a great piece for them
Madrigal is hitting 279 with 1 hr & playing good 3B. Wisdom is on the bench although he leads the Cubs with 19 hr but hitting only 198
The Bud Norris thing is complicated. He got really sick in 2015 and lost a bunch of weight. Plus you have to consider that the Orioles can't develop pitching so Hader would have probably been left to be a poor starting pitcher with too many walks if he stayed with the Orioles
I want to clear something up. In 2021 and 2022. The Madrigal Heuer trade was bad. But Nick has shaped up and has turned into a solid contact bat while playing + defense. And Heuer is looking like a good reliever when he comes off the IL. The only loss was for the White Sox
His bat is a disaster, he has a 66 OPS+. His 5 OAA is solid though
As a Twins fan, the Jose Berrios trade looks like a complete lose-lose trade right now. That could change, SWR and Austin Martin aren’t total busts yet, but both have struggled periodically in the organization. SWR owns a 7.17 ERA for the Twin’s AAA team, while Martin had an OPS under .700 in 2022 and has been injured so far in 2023. As for Berrios, he’s had a 5 ERA since 2022, a far cry from his dominant years in the land of 10,000 lakes
To be fair, Milton Bradley being traded away from the Cubs was a win in-of-itself. We could have traded him for a bag of peanuts and it woulda been a winning trade. Sorry Seattle.
It’s a little early to call Magrigal a loss. He’s been really solid this season so far
Don't right off Nicky "2 Strikes" Madrigal. He was hurt which is part of why the Sox traded him, and when he finally gets healthy going into a full season for the team, they have already have a solid core of infielders. Come the All Star break, if the Cubs find that they don't need Nick they can move him for other players. All that said, I don't see the Cubs trading him because given how well they are playing, his value off the bench is well above what his WAR so far this season shows. Find another player that's healthy, hits above .250 and can slot in 3rd, Short or 2nd on a game to game basis?
Have you done the best undrafted players
Tj rivera and Mike brosseau 😍
All the foreign players
Fiers’s low WAR was the least of the Astros’s problems with that deal
How about a video of kyle freeland? His 2018 was insane for coors but never had anything since. So maybe a video about his 2018?
As a brewers fan, I think this video came out just early enough you didnt have to put the Jesse Winker for Colten Wong trade.
How lopsided was the Hader trade on the Astros side?
i literally youtubed “lose-lose trades” a week ago and just got this recommended. NICE
that milton bradley looking strikeout was not a strike lol, I'd be pissed too if I were him
While there was some success in Chicago for Addison Russell, how about the A's trading him and others for Samardzija and Hammel in 2014?
Weirdly when I think of ubaldo Jimenez I think of him beaning tulo on purpose for no reason during a spring training game 😂
Hey, i can at least say in the end Lance Berkman came out a winner going to a team he fit into more nicely in St. Louis and also getting to get to a World Series
i remember being super pissed the Yankees wouldn't use him in the outfield.
How about a trade video that worked out worst for the player- players who got traded multiple times right before a team got good.
I clicked on this expecting a Mariners trade and I was not disappointed.
Getting rid of Milton Bradley for a used bucket of batting practice balls would have still been a win for the cubs. Truly one of the least likable players of all time
A third thing comes to mind with Ubaldo Jimenez: the humidor.
What about Hunter Pence HOU>PHI? Cosart and Singleton flopped for HOU and PHI traded Pence away a year later for poor return.
This would have been a good one.
Jose berrios for Simeon woods-richardson and Austin Martin
Getting rid of Milton Bradley for anything was a win. Could’ve traded him for a bag of balls and that would’ve been a win.
The Cubs and Sox could be a lose lose trade now too😂😂😂. Quintana for Eloy and Cease.
Milton Bradley was on the same team as Carlos Zambrano? I wouldn't want to be a fly on the wall of that clubhouse after a tough loss.
Norris had an era above 4 and a fip above 4 as well. He wasn’t actually a good pitcher he was average slightly below average
So funny seeing Milton Bradley being tossed in his last game as an mlb player
Need the most lobsided trades in history next. Who got fleeced
Didn’t the astros flip fields for Alvarez? Seems like a a big lopsided win on that trade tree.
The Nationals winning the Adam Eaton/Lucas Giolito trade is hilarious to me
They didn't really though (other than winning the WS). Lopez and Giolito have both accumulated more WAR for the Sox than Eaton did for the Nats, and Dunning got traded for Lynn who had one good season for the Sox. Plus Eaton is retired while the others are still active.
The story isn’t fully written yet, but the Chris Paddack/Emilio Pagan deal for Taylor Rogers had flopped pretty hard so far
Not for the padres, they flipped Rogers for hader.
Disappointed the Jimmy Paredes B roll didn't include him boeling over Altuve to lose a game on a pop-up.
Also, Drew Pomeranz punching a chair killed the 2014 A's.
"the ripe young age of 43" LOL
Bro I was so mad when Lance went to St. Louis lol
I thought the nationals trading soto was lose lose but it seems like the nationals fleeced the padres.
HIMMY PAREDES NAME DROP 🗣️🗣️🗣️
craziest one sided trades next?
I think Ublado should’ve won a CY YOUNG , If the voters shit on hitters for hitting there than they should praise the pitchers more
Pomeranz to Boston for top pitching prospect Anderson Espinoza was a lose-lose and an overall disaster
Is it fair to count the Orioles extension of Bud Norris as a knock against the Astros?
Do a severally one sided trade video would be interesting also.
Madrigal has been solid this season