Responding to Tiktok kpop opinions cause they’re getting out of control
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Kpop Tiktok is the worst and i instantly regretted reading certain opinions.
Some of them were just straight up hate disguised as an opinion and i didn't wanna have anything to do with it, but some other opinions weren't THAT bad and i decided to give my response.
Intro song: IVE - Eleven (instrumental)
Outro song: IVE - My satisfaction (instrumental)
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7:40 outro - Zábava
Kpop is not about talent or looks it’s not black or white truth is it’s grey
It’s about production,marketing, comedy, entertainment, genre and so much more
Exactly, If a group doesn't have a good Marketing team, even if their music is good, not many people would know about them. You also have to look at the budget of the video and the music quality, I, myself am not a fan of DreamCatcher their music is too much for me I like noise music but not that much, and many people think like me especially Koreans they like more soft music like NWJNS, IVE etc..
@@lisaadams7339 listen genre and music plays a vital and people just ignore it
Just imagine if newjeans debuted with wa da da they would have definitely not gotten that successful so its not left and right or black and white
I agree but I just wanted to say...
A quote of Dreamcatcher's from their song, Black or white:
"Black or white, black or white, I'm neither, I don't have the answer you want"
@@swduc2836 K-pop is an entertainment industry some people entertain by their voice some with their dance some with their visual done with their personalities but people try to seem very mature and say omg K-pop is getting more for visual look at 2nd gen bro in 2nd gen the beauty requirements were waaaay more toxic
Honestly I have stopped being in fandoms but still stan the groups. I just don't associate myself with fandoms and haven't since like 2017. Now I just stream groups music, watch their content and chill by myself. K-Pop is supposed to be a fun thing for me, not a stressful Hunger Games between fandoms (being a multi-stan earned me quite a lot of online hate, especially if I was fans of groups whose fans hated each other).
I deleted my Tik Tok earlier this year and I love it.
Yeah i think deleting Tiktok is actually a great thing to do, especially if you stan groups whose fandoms are always fighting with each other
wow props to you for deleting your tiktok! i can't even touch that delete button since i cannot live without sunghoon edits
Honestly the fact that male idols or just men in general getting sexualised isn’t noticed or just gets ignored breaks my heart. In k-pop, there’s so many male idols who’ve been sexualised and this list even includes minors :(
Yes it’s definitely a big issue but people seem to not care, or maybe they don’t notice at all. It’s sad because when a female idol gets sexualized she gets defended (as it should be) but when a male idol receives the same treatment people just brush it off.
Like Jk was forced to show his abs when he was still a minor. :(
ni-ki is a prime example of this
I have to agree with you on Chaeryeong’s stage presence. I’ve always felt like people were making her out to be a worse performer than she actually is. I do think Yeji, Ryujin and Yuna have more charisma but i think Chaeryeong has improved drastically and is now a pretty decent performer.
Also lia
Still the worst performer in Itzy
I actually stanned kkura for her sp 😭in le sserafim, to me at least, she does stand out to me, and her fancams always deliver. Then again, sp is subjective, so I understand if someone would prefer say, yunjins over hers. I'd say chaewon is the best performer of the group, shes a standard for sp and very consistent, and in my eyes, sakura and yunjin are tied. Yunjin brings fierceness and attitude, and sakura is sensual and uses her eyes to catch the camera.
Honestly kkura and her stage presence are what kept me watching her like a hawk before she redebuted
Exactly, she has underrated stage pressence tbh like she is amazing, she had the best SP in unforgiven Imo, her fancam is still most viewed for a reason
Seriously lol, that one I genuinely cannot understand. Just because she's not doing flashy expressions all the time doesn't mean her stage presence is even remotely bad. She knows how to dominate the stage, is extremely good at finding the cameras and overall just has great control over her performances. You can see there's not a single second where she looks bored or nervous while performing, she's always 100% immersed no matter the concept the group is doing
People really need to stop acting like stage presence is doing 10 different facial expressions per second
Sakura' stage presence is amazing but when we talk about dance performance, she has the worst technique and dance line in le sserafim (along with Yunjin), therefore she is not the best center
so like, nowadays with everything going on, u okay?
(have to mention, I dont mean it in a sarcastic or mocking way, in case it sounds like that)
Lmfao first the said starship forced Liz to dye her hair back to black so she wouldn't “shine.” now they’re saying Dives are making fun of her???😂😂 These token stans are too much.
Literally! The way they contradict themselves all the time, pick a side 😒
Sakura has great strage pressence, like she knows how to play around with the camera and she has been an idol for 10 years, i think it depends on which era i do think she had the best stage pressence in unforgiven (especially with her eyes in the unforgiven pre chorus), but she still is always top 3 in stage pressence in le sserafim IMO, that being said she doesnt have the best stage pressence in all of K pop but she does have amazing stage pressence that is under appreciated, she had one of the best stage pressence in iz one and still does in le sserafim Imo
for example most ppl would say chaewon has better stage pressence but i'd disagree, chaewon uses her face a lot in stage pressence (theres a reason she had a chokehold on ppl on the "ann tititititi " chorus, but sakura has just as good if not better stage pressence and shes much more versatile
Sakura's stage presence has always been good eversince. One time when she's still in Iz*one, many dancers got curioused with how Sakura was able to be mesmerizing on stage without moving her facial features that much- and they got an answer.
Sakura uses a magic head angle where she angles her head on different parts every move to make a dramatic effect on it. Many dancers said that Sakura may not dance the best, best she seems to know every angle of her face to project it on cameras. She uses that technique back in Iz*one that's why many people love to watch her fancams. I've seen it myself and Panorama is like one of the best example of her magic head technique.
For me, Sakura is a really great performer and has a strong stage presence. She's a perfect center of Iz*one along Wonyoung, and she's also a great center of Le Sserafim.
However, when she's in Le Sserafim, i feel like she barely got any killing part to shine more except with Eve, Psyche, ATBW.
I'm not really sure about the whole "Sakura has the least sp"
I know stage presence is pretty subjective but she's definitely not lacking compared to the others, imo she has really fun stages and if people really saw her fancams they might feel the same way
as a somnia who's been following dreamcatcher since 2017, i'm kinda tired of people painting dreamcatcher out to be this nugu group that nobody knows in korea. they're not as big as lesseraphim, txt, ive, twice, red velvet, itzy, gidle or groups like that, but they're decently well known, specially recently. they've been steadily growing throughout the years, and since scream came out, they've been getting a lot of attention. not to mention they're very respected in the industry, among both idols and producers. they're also one of the only 3rd gen girl groups whose members all resigned their contracts, so they're doing well for themselves. for this comeback they got spots in music shows with 300 audience members, which are usually reserved for bigger groups, and, from what people in korea have said, most people in their 20s or late teens know who dreamcatcher are. younger people are more into the new 4th gen groups, but dreamcatcher has a well established and loyal fanbase that suports them and promotes them well.
and if we're talking internationally, they're huge. their shows sell out extremely fast, they've performed all over the world in really successful tours, and they were the first kpop group to perform at primavera sound, which is one of the biggest music festivals in europe. they've collabed with games, they have anime openings, and even a few drama osts. they get really good views in their mvs, they get invited to quite a few shows to promote in, they've had quite a few modeling jobs and have endorsed some brands as well. they now have 4 music show wins (one they won against a top 5 with a lot of well know groups) and they already have an award show win, even if it was a small award show. this narrative that dreamcatcher is this obscure group needs to stop, since i'm so sick of them being known as "that underrated kpop group that does rock music". it's annoying and it underminds their achievements and their hard work. it's also annoying, because people just mention that they're "underrated" but don't do anything about it. because of this narrative, they're the token "talented but now well known group" that stans mention when they wanna talk about how talent is underrated in kpop or when they wanna talk about big 4 privilege, but they don't actually talk about their music, discography, personalities and chemistry or variety show presence, which is what actually makes people be attracted to a group.
Oh my god yesss I always feel so annoyed whenever I see comments about dreamcatcher being a small group
i think unstanning a group because of the fandom is fine but sending hate towards said group because of the fandom is very ridiculous and immature.
Sakura wouldve been the best center in izone, she had crazy stage presence that i always looked at her especially panorama era. now for lesserafim i alrdy have some issues w thwm but for some reason she is standing out less. she also seems to be at the back of dances more too
DIVE'S are actually pretty supportive fandom like for example you DIVE'S always supports ive but haters just want to bring ive down but they are unbother queens with unbother fandom btw I love channel so much ❤❤
For the most part, DIVEs won'tattack anyone unless people try to drag IVE.
But I have seen dives hate on Wonyoung maybe not as much as outside fandoms but the hate is still there. I feel there are a few solo stand in the fanbase
@@always_mob since when are solo stans being counted as the part of fandom? They're not even dives if they hate one member, a fandom is something where you love all the members even if you have biases. We don't consider those solo stans as dives.
@@always_mob well, every fandom will always have toxic solo stan. no matter how much I hate those toxic solo stan, still can't really help it :)
@@always_mob I would say more then a few *hateful* solo stanning, which is ruining the fandom.
I feel like Chaeryeong stage presence grew as her confidence grew she used to get a lot of hate causing her to hold back but she's loved more know and she really shines on the stage. She looks like she has the most fun performing and i like the way she interprets every dance,
i only disagree with sakura "not being center material" or having "the worst stage presence among the group". i think she's top 3 even. having stage presence doesn't always mean switching between different facial expressions every second, it's having command and control of the stage, being consistent and alluring all throughout the performance, or simply just being refreshing to watch. sakura has exactly all of that.
she may not top yunjin's presence, but she's still up there, and as center you don't always have to have *the best* sp within the group to become a memorable one. the best centers in kpop almost always have other members that outperform them, yet they're still *the* center and are a perfect fit for it (e.g nayeon with jihyo, ryujin with yeji, irene with seulgi, yoona with hyoyeon, sullyoon with kyujin, wonyoung with yujin and so on)
I mean for the last opinion, I agree so much. Even if k-pop was all about talent and music (which it will never be, because these are people trying to earn a living not trying to entertain us), then as you said Dreamcatcher’s music isn’t for everyone. They are my ult group, and I love every single one of their songs, but that doesn’t mean everyone will. Rock and synth pop/wave are my favourite genres, so it makes sense that I like Dreamcatcher, but I know plenty of people who hate rock and can’t stand it. Also about talent, I think a load of people overestimate their talent. Yes, they are talented overall, but saying Siyeon is the best vocalist in K-pop is just going way too far (when idols like Yunjin, Wendy, Solar, Taeyeon ect exist). It’s really all about personal views and judgement. I might find one idol the most talented idol ever but then some other stan might call them “useless eye candy.” Especially music, it’s really all subjective.
The thing with Dreamcatcher though…you could completely ignore their title tracks and edm songs and still find 30-50 great songs for anyone’s tastes. I think sometimes people get too hung up on the title tracks.
@@edvaedan9161 I mean their genres are: rock, Edm, trap, ballad, synthwave/pop, Rnb, funk, jazz ect. They have a ballad on each album, something which I know k-pop stans don't appreciate (I love Dreamcatcher's ballads tho). Then a lot of their b-sides are rock. Just on the latest mini, we had 3/4 songs as rock. Then if you don't like Edm/trap, well, most of their other songs aren't for you - In the frozen, Trap, Paradise, Sleep-walking ect...which leaves a small portion of songs that most people really enjoy like Black or white, Jazz bar, some of the solos ect. But I definitely agree most people get too hung up on their title tracks. The majority of people I've seen on the Internet like Dreamcatcher's music though, and that's because (luckily), they aren't the kind of group where everyone and their entire ancestral has an opinion on their music. You often will hear something like, "Dreamcatcher does rock music, you should check them out!" and most Insomnias say they have a no skip discography, me included, so the Internet's opinion is mostly this. The people who like their music stan them, the people who don't, don't stan them.
first of all, your username. secondly, i'm saying this as a long time somnia, i agree with you, but i also don't think that being an incredible singer, technique wise, isn't all it takes to be a great vocalist. again, not saying siyeon is the best vocal in kpop, because i also don't think she is, however, i find that her tone and the emotion she puts into her singing is what makes her stand out. what i'm about to say isn't to put down wendy btw, this is just an example i thought of rn and she's an incredible singer, but personally i enjoy vocals like siyeon or handong more than her because i feel like wendy's voice has a very usual tone to it, whereas handong and siyeon have this unique sound to their singing. again, not a bad thing and she's insanely good as a vocal and a performer as well, and her technique isn't even comparable to handong or siyeon, imo, but there's more to singing than having good technique.
that being said, i feel like people use dreamcatcher as a tolken " talented but unpopular" group way too often, to the point where it's all people associate with them and it actually harms their ability to grow. people go on about how siyeon is the best vocal in kpop or sua is the best dancer, but they don't get the attention they deserve, but when people go and watch the videos, they will often be disappointed, because siyeon has a bad habit of straining her voice and her support isn't the best, or sua often overdances when she gets hyped in a performance, which can look messy. these are completely normal things and don't make the group any worse, but because people say they're the best so often, it can actually harm the group and make people hate on them instead, because, as you said, compare them to singers like taeyeon, solar or wendy, they're not the best. i feel like what makes dreamcatcher special is their chemistry as a group, their discography, which has a little bit of everything, and just how well their concept suits them. add that to the fact that the members are all really good performers with amazing stage presence, even if they're not the best technique wise, and you get a group that's really hard to look away from. i just get annoyed at how people reduce them to the talented nugu group stereotype, specially when they aren't even nugu anymore, they're established and know in korea, and pretty big internationally.
theres also what you mentioned about their music. it isn't for everyone. i mostly listen to metal and rock outside of kpop, so they're right up my alley, but most kpop stans like pop, rnb, edm and other genres, which they have in their discography, but aren't their main sound. i also wanna point out that they're not promoted like a lot of kpop groups. they were made to be a touring group, like a rock band, so they may have less comebacks and not go on as many shows, in order to go on longer and better tours. that isn't for everyone, so it's completely understandable why a lot of kpop stans aren't into dreamcatcher.
moral of the story, as you said music is subjective, what you like in a vocal is different from what i like and we should all just stop using some groups to put down other groups. because people often use dreamcatcher to put down other groups by bringing up their talen, when there's more talented groups out there that are nugo, and also talented groups that aren't nugu. like, have you looked at nmixx?? jyp really hit talent jackpot with that one.
@@momomomo__ I agree with you in all ways possible. 'Overhyping', as they say, can cause pressure to some less confident idols and stop them from growing. And yes, I also do prefer Siyeon or Handong or really any vocal in Dreamcatcher to Wendy's voice, but it certainly doesn't make either of them bad or good. There is definitely a difference between preference of voices/vocal tone and technical skill which some k-pop stans just can't grasp. I think Dreamcatcher as a whole are just the perfect girl group, the full package. All members are decent in at least one field, they always have synchronised choreo, they can fit loads of concepts, they can write and produce music, they have a no skip discography and are certainly beautiful to listen to. But being realistic, they aren't perfect, I mean no-one is, but they are a standard imo, where all members are good performers ect.
Also, yeah I do stan NMIXX. They're in my semi-ults.
As a Japanese and someone who has been AKB48 and their sister groups stan for a very long time I think Sakura's stage presence became worse after she became kpop idol especially after she debuted with Le Sserafim. During her jpop idol days Sakura was really a beast on a stage she literally owned every single performance. Now it seems like she is always in the background. Maybe this is because when it comes to jpop a member who is a center always gets the best outfit, solo parts in the songs (it is very rare for jpop idol groups to have lines distributed to each of the members like kpop groups do. Jpop idol songs are usually sang by multiple members at the same time while only the center sometimes gets solo lines), most screentime etc. Sakura was a centre many times during her jpop idol days so maybe that is why she stood out so much to me back then
Tbh Dives are one of the calmest fandom (not all of them but yeah). You'll notice how dives don't intervene in other fandoms, it's always the other fandoms starting the fanwars, you'll rarely see them dragging artists out of nowhere. The only time we see them attacking others is while defending ive from the other parties, which is reasonable since ive are literally the punching bags of 4th gen and i don't think any fandom would want their fav artist to be slandered and getting dragged 24/7 for no reason. Dives go all their way out to appreciate non-stans who complements members or their music since it is so rare seeing ive being appreciated by K-pop stans. I mean yeah every fandom have some toxicity and I'm not saying that dives are all good and pure, NO, but you can't tell me that they're the worst fandom in the 4th gen when clearly some of them are way more toxic. K-pop stans love to paint Dives "toxic".
Dives aren't the most toxic but y'all don't seem to know the difference between defending and attacking and that makes you come off as toxic. Because your girls are being hated, y'all hate on other idols to make up for it IG?
@@orangelady416 cuz those other fandoms literally cross the line. There's a limit of criticizing but no all they do is spread pure hate. All they do is sl*t Shame them, give them d3ath threats, post self haraming posts, post them on adult sites, how do you expect the fandom to stay all silent and watch them getting dragged to hell?? I agree that some of them attack others in the name of defending (every fandom have those kind of fans) but most of us dives try our best to not hate on others while defending them. Instead of entirely blaming ive and victimizing those toxic fandom, I'll like you to put the same effort in educating the other party as well. Thank you.
The problem is that people try to paint Dives as bad even when we are just defending the girls without being mean. People will still find a way to make us look bad. For example if we call out fearnots for always dragging Leeseo and comparing her to Eunchae they will twist it and say we want Eunchae to also get hate…
@@vangyul no cuz fr!! Like bro what's the point of comparing maknaes? I don't understand the obsession with this comparison. Is maknae a kind of skill or what? It's always fearnots comparing her to leeseo. I recently saw a video comparing maknaes of 4th gen, and the way people were bullying leeseo while uplifting others especially eunchae was disgusting. They were calling her "pick me" "fake" while calling eunchae sunshine, naturally cute. It's so ironic how they were commenting "protect eunchae at all cost" and on the other hand they were bullying leeseo calling her names and $hit. And I agree on your first point. In K-pop stans's eyes we're always the one at fault.
@@vangyul See, this is a dumb reason why dives and fearnots are arguing because first off, IVE started getting hate before lesserafim debuted. Bold of you to assume that. Any hate related to Leeseo is immediately blamed on fearnots when we genuinely don't even have time for that stuff
The comparison between Eunchae is Leeseo is also just terrible because Dives are dragging Eunchae for it. Trust me, not all Eunchae's fans are Fearnots, some just like her because of her clips and I think if y'all want Leeseo to get more love, just do same for her and stop comparing them all the time. I'm sure there's enough love to go around because Leeseo is also adorable. Just don't compare. Imagine how they'll feel seeing those comparisons
Dreamcatcher doesn't only have rock songs tho..... only their title tracks are all rock, their b sides are more diverse
I agree so much with all these opinions, keep up the good work :)
People saying that twitter kpop stans are the most toxic but lokk at the TikTok and Reddit 💀💀
I don’t think there’s anyone more toxic that Tiktok stans, they make twitter stans look chill…as for reddit, i didn’t think it was that bad but now it’s getting pretty toxic too 😫
Its honestly so good to see a Stable mind person [Sorry my English is not good, i just wanted to say not a crazy and insane kpop stan but a like non-toxic and understandable kpop stan] Among this toxicity,
Hi! I am your one of the silent subscribers and i just wanted to let you know that i've seeing your videos and you are doing a GOOD JOB!!! Thanks♡
I am a part of some toxic fandoms, but I never feel it. The only place I use to interact with kpop is CZcams. I don't watch hate videos or read that much comments. And I think this is the best way to follow any artist. The most important things are music and performance, you don't need the fandom to be a fan 🤷♀️
I actually like this channel you're not unnecessarily mean to idols whether I/you like them or dislike them I still find a way to agree with you you're not trying to be "edgy" and unnecessarily act like everyone should listen to you which what makes me want to watch and support if I agree or not I'm so sick of ktubers but I finally find someone that is kind and honest at the same time I'm not saying that because I'm biased to my favs or whatever but seeing how kpop stans act like frantic dogs makes me hate hate hate to literally interact with anything that has to do with kpop thinking about the possibility of meeting one of them irl makes me wanna throw up but ty
I agree with you for the fandom. I used to be a stay and took people's "Stays are toxic" lightly because i genuinely liked the members and found them funny and enjoyed their underrated songs. But after spending some time with the fandom and seeing the MOASTAY wars i had enough. And even the way they treated their own group was disgusting sending dts to Felix for supposedly copying Hyunjin and vice versa is just absurd. They were also very disrespectful and i know that not everyone’s like that and people say there's a few bad apple's in every fandom, but it was like 80% bad apples. I don't know if it's because most of those stays i saw and engaged with were from TikTok and Twitter (Known to be toxic), but i really didn't like them. They would also talk shit about TXT every other day and make plans with engenes to shit talk TXT, so that was annoying. And i just eventually started to distance myself from the group. Same with engenes who blamed TXT for Sunghoon and Ni-ki's fat shaming scandal (They're not even the same group like what?). Not to mention the fact that they bashed and made fun of another engene's English when she tried to talk to Jake about the incident. I was disgusted and just lost interest in those fandoms which led to loss of interest in the group. I still check them out sometimes but i'm no where near as invested in them , it makes me sad but i'm not gonna deal with the negativity. (And i don't know why Aespa fans were joining in on it to but that's irrelavent)
im a new stay and i was worried she was talking abt stays-
Gosh I love the members so much and i was hoping stays would be like army was in their og days (im a multi stan) but ur comment is worrying me-
I love ur videos soooo much i literally watch them all day long 😭 I love the tts voice too where do u get it from?
I use Speakline, by the way thank you for appreciating the video 🫶
@@soft4taeng AHHSHSHHEHE THANK YOU ❤️❤️❤️
Even in the US there are some really decent and awesome heavy metal or death metal bands that have so much talent and yet just like dreamcatcher there are people who just don't like music like that. Dreamcatcher and these other groups have gather their Certain fandoms
Ok so I don’t like some grp’ music or tb presice most of their music like skz they are good but not for me but I still choose to Stan them I always follow their activities and keep up with them in variety shows and always support them that does not make me a less or more dedicated Stan
I mean I personally didn't start stanning Enhypen just bc of their fandom that's like toxic to the bone but I'm happy my friend finally made me stan them, now they're my ults
I just ignore most of the time the fans and only interract with the chill ones
I hope that dreamcatcher gets big enough to be able to do their tour with a live band and their dancers. I want them to achieve that level. It would be amazing but that’s hard for a small company group. I mean look at fifty fifty even though they got Cupid extremely viral their company screwed them over and now I don’t think hey will even get a chance to benefit the viral song like how brave girls did for a couple years.
I still remember the Musically Times... and I never used TikTok and I'm glad I did. If I want to watch TikTok stuff, I click on CZcams Shorts which practically is the same stuff.
Personally, i have stopped stanning some groups becuz of the super toxic (n sometimes entitled) fandoms, while i still listen to their songs, i no longer call myself part of the fandom n actually prefer being "solo fans" becuz its much easier being hated as a solo fan than being lumped as "toxic fandom" when i dont even know of the fanwars or stupid things those fandoms got mad at half the time😂
Regarding choosing not to stan or be a fan of a group due to their fandom is something I can't quite get behind.
For instance when I first got into BTS and kpop I did have some negative interactions with EXO's fandom.
Now I'm not an actual fan of EXO, since they were never able to speak to me on a deeper level, and I simply do not want to deal with labels that sabotage their idols and deprives their fandoms.
However I did give them a change since EXO has made some great songs, and I do have my own favorite members and songs. I watch out for their comebacks and releases.
Since I don't have the best feelings regarding their fandom, I distance myself from that fandom as much as possibly.
But their fans haven't really done much for my overall opinions regarding the boys or what I feel for their songs.
I agree with opinion 6. I remember being an army, and i love bts so much since n.o. but lately, the fandom is just getting more and more toxic..
They be making inside joke for bts under a random livestream and it embarrassing
I noticed something, i'll try to put it into words: some people mistake a group/idol's concept as their 'true personality' when the idol themselves are so different irl than what shows in dance moves and music videos.
For example girl crush concepts are very fierce and "in your face" but putting on a performance isn't the same as their everyday personality, i know for a fact that Hyuna is very shy irl compared to what her concepts have been.
So my point being people mistake the concept as personality and call an idol 'bitchy' and what not while ignoring that its a performance.
yes sometimes stans are not capable of separating an idol's stage persona from their off stage personality, which leads to some idols getting mistaken for being bitchy and cocky when it's just a performance they put up, one big example is Jennie. I bet she's a super normal girl but people often see her as someone she's not just because that's part of the group's concept
I actually don't know but chaeryeong stage presence is actually good even tho she kinda lacks sometimes but still her stage presence is really unique and interesting ok but i don't get the liz one like haters, toxic solo stans,fake stans do exist it can't be dives even tho some dives are toxic i don't think so and the last one i do fucking agree dreamcatcher concept is really uniquebut it's not everyone's taste they are mostly famous because of their dark concept and their songs are really not my type Honestly i kinda disagree with the 6th one sometimes some fandoms are really cringe and it's fine if you don't like the fandom anymore cuz most of the kpop fans are just toxic&menacing
Kpop fans on TikToks just talk for talking sake. They give unnecessary hate to people and back their disrespectful opinions as " being honest."
It's sad to say, but Taehyung stans and Taekook stans really turned me off of Taehyung and somewhat Jungkook too. I used to love Tae, but I can't even enjoy seeing him in a group setting now ): So I moved on.
I wish people talked more about sexualisation of minor male idols. Example Niki or Jungkook were both sexualized a lot but no one talks about it as much as female idol sexualising
Thankgod tiktok is banned in my country
as for six. this is why i still stan skz, but i no longer consider myself a stay. i said i don’t listen to red lights (or any of the sex songs, as i’m asexual with trauma and it makes me uncomfortable…) and i got 200 quote tweets of death threats, threats of violence, people telling me to shut up, people calling me an anti…i straight up left immediately.
what’s asexual
I don't hate 4th or 5th Gen it's just it never hit the flow mostly interested in like older ones but I also like some of them 😁😁.
1:32 Soojin and Garam 😭
I agree with the fandom one. I am thinking of unstanning Aespa just bc how toxic the solo stans are.
I totaly agree with men having it easier in the industry. But I don't really know about the dating one. I don't stan groups where dating scandals happen. But when the whole Teahyung and Jennie thing happend, everyone jumped on both of them. I saw people calling him disgusting names (accused him of beeing an ab*sEr...). Jennie is so overhated so she obv also probably got much hate. Maby I'm wrong. As I said, I don't stan groups where stuff like this happens and I don't want to talk about stuff I don't have any clue on yk. So please enlighten me when I'm wrong.
I haven’t really kept up with Jennie and V’s situation so i don’t really know, but there are some instances in the past where women got all of the hate, for example when Taeyeon and Baekhyun were dating i remember she got so much hate for that.
Another example is when Jungkook was rumored to be going out with this girl who was apparently just his tatto artist but people started attacking her like crazy just for hanging out with him. Sometimes male idols also get hate when it comes to relationships, but unfortunately it’s mostly female idols who get dragged.
@@soft4taeng Take EXO Chen's situation. His own fans are petitioning him to leave the group in from of SME and sending death threats just because he got married and have kids.
Yassss u-go girl
Opinion 2- tbh if the idol is actually right the companies shouldn't kick them in thw first place. A hiatus for the next comeback is totally fine to me.
There is a opinion I have
People always think it’s plastic surgery and there is nothing wrong with it and I might do it aswell but people always think it’s plastic surgery like no they just take a 12 yr old photo to a 25 yr old like no if you compare my pic my chin looks more fuller now that does not mean it’s chin fillers it’s puberty same case with tuna and hip pads
I really do think that sakura never stood out to me in terms of stage presence😂 i think she has the least stage presence in her group but that does not mean i hate her,she is very talented and has decent stage presence but not the best in my opinion😔
I agree with the 5th opinion so much, I remember seeing a poll on twitter about the sexualization of men and if it was real or not, almost everyone voted no and people were pissed off because someone voted yes, and started saying that it wasn't true bc men don't get ab*sed 💀
girl, twitter is just a no-no.
everyone their are just so toxic. maybe a poll on youtube would recieve better reactions but honestly, i didnt think (emphasize on word: think) that men get sexualized until i saw some lolitta pics of an underage idol and thats when things started clickin in my head and lets not forget abt the S.A male jpop trainees went thru while they were under the so-called 'father of jpop'
If you watch straykids survival show at teh begining skz and another group under jyp preform to see who will debut. Chearyeong was in the second group and jyp told her that she was the person on stage who cuaght his attention most because she was so good. People just dont like itzy.
sooo if you like some groups music but the fandom makes you want to unstan, the BEST solution is just disconnect with the fandom. Don't abandon the group's music. Just listen to stream and be you and your faves. You'll notice how slowly you start to stop connecting the group to their fandom.
I have mixed feelings about lesserafim. Like, l love them, adore their discography, but I’m sick of ot5 agro fearnots and the situation with Garam is still so tensed for no reason. Idk what to do, I’m feeling uncomfortable in fandom and can’t really say what’s my opinion on group rn. Should I move in and accept ot5? It’s just a lot easier As ot6 nswer for example, but not as ot5 fearnot. Sorry about my bad English, but I hope you’ll get it. I totally agree about former members should be left alone.. but I feel like garam wouldn’t.
They are 5 and will be for a long time, she is not coming back, so being ot5 is the most reasonable.
You can be ot5 + a Garam fan which I guess is the closest to your preference.
Also wanted to add that people believing in Garam being a bully is totally valid( no smoke without fire) but at the same time a lot of people went through bullying and whatnot during a period of their life ( or even still struggling with it) so maybe remembering her triggers something? We don’t know what people are going through, if u want to forgive u can but u can’t force others to.
Hard disagree on sakura's stage pressence, in fact she has a strong stage pressence. She is very experienced, knows her angles and has a good attitude and facial expressions on stage, charisma i won't even talk about. Y'all bring down sakura for E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. Some people act like she has 0 talent and it's so f^cking annoying. Some tiktok stans (and most people) think bad vocals= no talent, when it is not. Sakura can rap, has exellent stage pressence, can dance well AND has even participated in writing 'Good parts'. But the fact that people think that it's okay to LIE on someone's abilities is actually sick. No hate to you ofc, Sakura's stage pressence is subjective and you can dislike it. BUUUUT people shouldn't rank it as good/bad or decent. They should just say 'I don't like Sakura's stage pressence' and moved on. Not compeletly discredit her skills.
6:22 me with BTS tbh i'm not the biggest fan of their music it just doesn't hit for me but that doesn't mean its not good,i haven't unstan bts and i don't plan to but in all honesty the fandom ruins everything for me,ik i stan the group not the fandom but armies really be making it seem like bts are some kind of gods and like REALLY special people and not human beings istg jimin or tae BREATHE and armies are on the floor praising them for it, i don't have a problem with that but they always have the need to drag another grp or fandom to do this and i hate that. And let's be honest new armies or armies that started stanning bts during butter or PTM era,are they stanning bts bcz of their music or are they stanning bts bcz of their visuals? lets be real here.
"they don't even realize it is happening" no they just don't care lol, the TikTok is right.
Hi egu
@pruit v3 huh what
and another copied vid incoming, love how active you always become after you got caught with your hate accounts in many official channels again.
and again another 100 subscriber jump seconds before you started to comment with multiple accounts today again.
love how you just responded in your account to another one being called out for what you just wrote and just showed again why youre one of the dmbest hater ever seen.
I think DIVEs are calm tho (not all) but they're just so calm and quiet HAHAHAHA
And they're usually pretty nice (esp wony stan) and funny (i think mostly liz or rei stan?)
Oh what would you expect to this content creator she always pretend thet "s/he cares about other Idols" but s/he always downgrade them just to uplift her "favy" gg its too way way obvious...you know why?Coz people on reply oppose it so so bad🤣🤣 "She is not center material" hahaha but when u see on comments people saying the other way around.....huuuuu the toxicity🤣🤣
1. Agree with u.
2. Agree with u 😔.
3. Agree with u.
4. No comment.
5. We talked about it since 2nd gen......so I disagree.
6. I mean people have the right to do what they want.......so no comment.
7. Agree 👍.
I agree with opinion 6 from tiktok because if you are unstanning because of the fandom then you were never here for the music, ask yourself who do you stan, do you stan the artist or the fandom? Also its possible to not let a fandom influence your opinion on a group and whether or not you want to continue stanning that group, let me give you an example, I am a soccer fan specifically for arsenal, I consider myself to be in their fandom and on Twitter soccer fans specially English soccer fans tend to have a bad reputation because they tend to be racist to players of color, make unprovoked hateful comments towards other teams and basically bully any player that causes their fav team to loose, for example when England lost in the World Cup, soccer fans were making racist remarks towards the black player and also soccer fans like throwing bananas at black players, it’s nasty and I don’t support that behavior but I don’t let what these horrible soccer fans do or say influence my decision to support arsenal and other English soccer teams. I left soccer twitter and joined kpop twitter but I still consider myself to be in the arsenal fandom. And about the part where it says that kpop stans shouldn’t stop stanning a group because of 1 bad song, I think this is true because if you unstan a group over 1 bad song then that means you were waiting for the group to release 1 bad song so that you could have a reason to leave 🤷🏾♀️ for example, one of the groups I like is bts but I hated ON FT SIA but I didn’t leave the fandom over that song because one bad song doesn’t represent bts usual sound 😂 bts has a wide discography so how could on ft sia represent the 100 other songs bts has released? I think it’s valid to unstan a group when you just don’t want to listen to their music anymore. I will unstan Bts,txt, everglow, kard,etc. when I don’t want to listen to them anymore, but im enjoying new releases so im not unstanning yet
I feel like Hybe groups over promoting Their Songs in reels and bringing every kpop Idols is kind off boring Now..
Even Senior Big artist like Suga and Jimin it 😅.
Maybe for you but I love the interactions. It's supposed to be more fun and interactive. Why should all kpop idols stay in their basement and not come back out
Boring? I dont think so! Im actually super glad to see yoonmin/bts interact w their label artists and its for their music promotions. mind u , agreed that this could be more of tactic to attract views frm all fandoms but it will also confirms it that even if hybe aritsts arent too close they are comfy enough to make a small chat.
Soojin we miss you😭❤️
As an Insomnia i kinda have to disagree with your last opinion. Dreamcatcher music style WAS unique but with every new comeback they get more and more mainstream and lose their special style. I love the girls but they`re disappointing me with almost every comeback since about a year