Harley Davidson Doesn't Want You to see inside the New Oil Filter - vs Fram
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- We Cut open 2 Harley Davidson oil filters and a FRAM to do a comparison of which oil filter is best. It turns out they have something in common you won't believe until you see. In this video we look inside three oil filters to get a good look at an unexpected problem as well as discover a solution that has been staring us in the face all along.
The Oil Filter that is the Hero of this video is available here:
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You can install it at your next oil change, or cut it open, like I did, to see inside first hand.
and at the same time, you help me earn from qualifying purchases.
The FRAM oil filter Time Machine presents a rare opportunity to travel back in time to a place where the Harley Davidson oil filter problem didn't exist yet. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Check out part 2 of this video here: czcams.com/video/yD12gsczM5o/video.html
Already did... went right to it. I can only imagine the work & time that goes into making something like that. Soldier on. Oyeah impressive! FLH58
I have used and recommended Fram oil filters for years. I don't need to watch the follow up video, I have known for a very long time that nearly everything about Harley Davidson motor cycles are foreign made. About as close as we come to American made is the assembly process, because even the frames are made in Canada, at least they used to be. Now a days they may be made in China. I know that's where that oil Filter was made. at least the new Harley Davidson filter was. I'm not sure if I remember what state the fram filter was made, but I'm thinking they're actually made in Wisconsin. But I'm not sure without looking that up. Great video and I absolutely loved your speech at the end. This all about me, me, me society is truly sickening. I wish you the best. Peace..
Thanks oil jesus
Well I know what filter I will use on my 1996 Evo, But what oil would you recommend for the 1996 Stock motor.
Maan! I love your song Dead and buried! Why did you switch to reviews of filters!?
For me the surprise wasn't that Fram makes good filters, it was that the HD filter was so bad. Thanks for a great video Jay.
Ya because when you compare Fram to all the rest, Fram sucks....except when compared with HD.
@@plantfeeder6677 Thanks for your input. I value your opinion as you value Fram.
Have a great day.
@@plantfeeder6677 only the cheap ones, they make two levels of filter i believe.
I wasn't surprised, but maybe the box with the H-D logo will be a collectable item someday. Definitely a great conversation piece as well, I can hear the kids saying "...but daddy, why does it say "made in China?..."
Apparently, you don't research parts.
This is a real blow to the purist out there who are "I only use HD parts only." and definitely threw some egg on HD corporate's face. It's the way you handled it and your message at the end that stood out to me. Thanks for that.
I'm pretty sure HDs corporate face is just a broken egg at this point. Most of their products have been dissected and proven to be extremely low effort and low quality. They've historically had random periods of producing straight garbage because they can ride on reputation for while, then snap correcting once people catch on.
@@chrisclark6161 Sadly, I have experienced this first hand buying Harley parts/Accessories for my bike. I have now returned three (3) HD things I purchased for my bike in the past two years because of flawed workmanship/poor quality - but the price $$ was still premium Harley Davidson. No more, I've given up on them. I am convinced they were just Made in China imports with HD's logo. I mean, they really were Dollar Store quality. I will only buy non-HD after market now or do without. I am especially shocked and surprised at the oil filter here. No more HD filters for me. It has been obvious for a while now that HD is just a profit/greed company that only cares about the shareholders. It's sad to see that happen to what was once a company that really cared about its riding customers. If anyone here plays guitar, you will know that Gibson is now the same as HD in this respect. Low quality/max price and profit. 😒
@@VN9001 I only use after market parts on my Softail, and most of those are made in the USA. (most harley techs and mechanics do as well, even though they could get the HD branded stuff at a discount). The only think I get HD branded first if available is the electronic wiring harnesses, extensions, kits, etc. That stuff it is still made of great quality and better than most aftermarket. My bike is very far from stock, and the only thing that is HD branded is the Quick-detach mounting kit for my sissy bar. Everything else that is not stock, it is aftermarket. I buy performance upgrades from DKCustomProducts, and Handlebars, pegs, bags, risers, gloves, and more from Trashin' Supply Company. Both american small business, and parts manufactured in the USA of high quality. You get what you pay for, and HD (made in china) aint it.
I had a discussion with the parts guy in HD shop . He was adamant HD oil is the best for your motorcycle end of. I’m trying to tell him Harley oil is rebranded . It’s better than mobile 1 he kept saying. Wow wow wow. Maybe he’s been educated by Harley Davidson !!!!
@@VN9001 guitar player here and yes. Also I own Gibson’s so I’m not a hater. Lot of “misses” not as many “hits”
I've been riding for 63 years. All makes and models. I've been using FRAM filters in all my cars, truck and bikes since the 1960's. I"VE NEVER HAD A FAILURE OF ANY KIND! I agree with you 100%! And God Bless You on your "Be Kind to a Stranger" advice. The world needs more people like you!
63 years?! Wow, you must be a wizard.
He started at 6 years old with a full dresser, and worked his way up from there 😂
I was born in 1946. Got my first bike (scooter...Cushman Eagle) 1960. I was 14.
Keeping a passion for riding that long is impressive. I just moved from biking on dirt to pavement and bought a Kawasaki 650 and I've been loving it. I wish we had more bikes in the US, it might help the visibility issue.
@@MagnusCrossNo, I'm not a wizard, just old. I was only commenting about my experience with FRAM filters. I often hear negative comments about FRAM filters and I was just sharing my "60+ years of experience" using them. Again, I've never had a failure. Peace.
Demonstration by example. Wise and kind words, no hostility or mocking. You sir just gained another follower!
As a heavy diesel mechanic ( and someone who has never owned a Harley), I have no idea why this showed up in my feed, but I found it very interesting. Doing something kind can be as simple as tapping a like button and leaving a comment to help a person out with the algorithm for talking time to share information like this.
Excellent video. As a 50 year motorcycle builder, rider, racer of many brands, you info on the filters is spot on. Also, you speak with kindness and that shows in your final comments. Ride safe.
Well Said Friend, Well Said.
Damn. I've never seen someone drop mic so brutally calm.
It was great!
This dude.... besides the great video and info, didn't ask for a like or subscribe, like absolutely everyone else does in every single video (I had done both on my own already at that point). That was nice.
Then he goes on to give some genuinely great life advice that really can change the communities we live in, and made an effort to get you to really think about it. This is a good guy
Jay, you just gkt yourself another follower. Cant wait for the next videos content. Thank you very kindly sir.
I've been riding for 37 years, Harley-Davidsons for 26 of those years. One of the most irritating aspects of the biker community is the Fan Boys that are blindly loyal to one brand, one creed, one religion, etc, etc. I love this video & the way that you respectfully inform & educate for any that want to listen with an open mind. And, your message at the end about helping others is awesome. Thank you
It just amazes me at how well this guy explains things. Unlike many CZcams videos where the guy seems to be talking just to hear himself, every word that comes out of this guy’s mouth is valuable. He doesn’t waste any and he doesn’t waste your time. As a side comment, is it just me or does he just get better and better looking with every video. I love the longer hair the longer beard. You look awesome dude. Please don’t change that look.
He speaks without rush, and I much prefer this. The info is stated and enunciated in a way my brain retains. Brilliant for some of us.
@@willb1157 - I really dislike the CZcams videos where the guy or gal speak so fast. Even if it is just the intro to the video. Then we have the ones who repeat themselves often, and use a lot of useless verbage like "you know", "uh", "um", "yeah", "huh", "like I said", etc.
I have been mechanic since 1976 and this is the best video about filters i have ever seen. Thank you for making this video.
Jay proves that buying any product based on brand name alone does not ensure top quality and he gave a clear and concise breakdown of all 3 filters to support his opinion.
Great video!
You just landed another new subscriber. Not just for the information but also way you pass it on. Thanks! Kindness is infectious!
Same for me too. What a great video and presenter.
I been using fram filters for about 35 years with no problems. I'm glad you made this video as I have often had this discussion with others who don't believe until they see for themselves. I am also aware there was a glut of fake fram filters going around for a while. I haven't seen any for about 5 years but it's easy to spot a fake and avoid it. Many manufacturers have fitted fram filters O.E.
@@plantfeeder6677 Well all can say is I have cut thousands of filters open and have seen the fake Fram filters first hand. I will check out project farm but I'm almost sure he did not but from a reputable dealer if he does have one of the poor quality filters. 35 years building engines and oil is high on the list of things that gets taken very seriously. What brand do you recommend?
Guess what folks Harley doesn't manufacture oil filters! They manufacture motorcycles and are in the business to make profit squeezing every dime! That's a fact...so they have the lowest bidder fill their oil filter contract. Fram or Purolator or someone else is making the filters anyway. That's just basic manufacturing sense. Don
@@plantfeeder6677 Been a Project Farm subscriber for ages, I have never seen a oil filter video/fram oil filter test nor can i find a video related to this on Project Farm.
Are you possibly a line worker at the new/current HD filters? I have used Fram on my Audi a3 and a4 as well as my motorcycles without any issues. I have rebuilt countless bikes and cars in my spare time over the years.
I have been using Fram oil filters ONLY for the past 15 years of my 30+ Harley riding years & they NEVER let me down, NEVER had one problem with them! I work on all 3 of my Harleys myself and like it that way. That way I KNOW I got quality parts on my machines!!! It kills me when Harley riders I know with less years riding wanna think they know better. Thank you for proving this one point for me! AND great message at the end!!! Hope you have an AWESOME day!!!
Great information! I’ll buy Fram from now on. What really impressed me, though, is your advice about doing something kind for a stranger. I could not agree more! Nothing makes us feel good like helping someone else. Just five seconds being kind to a stranger can make you walk taller all day!
Buy the good Fram, not the cheap Fram.
Fram makes various levels of qualitym
This was the first video of yours I have seen. I really appreciate your no-bullshit, just the facts, science and logic forward presentation style and content. I did share with a few of my friends.
I work in a motorcycle shop that works on anything-but-a-Harley and you have totally changed my opinion about what a smart and well spoken Haley person could be.
I'm retired from the business, never touched a Harley with a wrench, just many years of servicing Japanese and Spanish brands. I had an intuition about what this video was going to show and wasn't disappointed. So many opinions floating around out there and seeing some objective example to educate was well worth it.
Like the above poster stated, this is the first video of yours I have ever seen. And I like the way you presented.
Most content makers talk to much about nothing. Their channels have turned into infomercials. I am subscribing as soon as I finish tying this.
@@whalesong999 Bultaco, OSSA, Montessa, my three favorite classics.
J Wood just auctioned off the contents of the Vintage Trail Bike Museum in Cheshire Massachusetts. It was sad because my friend had passed away and the museum was dissolved.
@@rickyhawkins7407 and no shifty background music either!
@@savage22bolt32 I got involved with Bultaco in 1961, first units came through Bultaco Western in California. Later on took machines from Cemoto East headed by John Taylor who eventually began importing OSSA and took them on as well. I won two medals in the Berkshire Trials on my OSSA Pioneer, a silver in 1970. They were satisfying machines, stable and rugged, quite different from the other two makes.
Well I just want to say someone who has been riding Harley-Davidson for many years I am shocked at the poor quality of that filter and I would really like to thank you for taking the time to show this to me and many others I will of course pass your content around and make sure everybody sees it because that is an absolute shocking situation with such an expensive part from Harley-Davidson and I hope someone from there is watching this and they realised that we have eyes as well as they do and I hope they can see exactly what we are seeing too and I hope they can make a simple decision and make a better oil filter thank you so so much it's very very much I am from Ireland so thank
How can ANY Harley fan be surprised at over-priced for the quality pricing?
you are a fool if you think harley will change...it was done to make more money. period. thats all they care about
Some of the parts are just ridiculously priced !! I think who ever is running Harley right now there only concern is money not customer satisfaction!!
@@nateryan7041 its been that way for a while. almost every company is not only like that....they are required by law to do so if they are a publicly traded company. there are no incentives to making something better
@@nateryan7041 I am not a HD owner, but as a Porsche owner I can tell you exactly the same shit happens, and with Ferrari… As my late dad used to say : the customer begs to be cheated! Much respect to Mr Case, daring to share this video with us. Thanks a lot from Marc, Belgium.
The last two min of the video were well worth the 15 min this video took from my life. Plus, I learned something.
Thank you, Jay, that was one of the kindest things the stranger has done for me in months, not just the day.
I'm the furthest thing from a Harley guy but I can totally appreciate what you did here and especially the message at the end of the video. Random acts of kindness definitely goes a long way. Liked and Subscribed. Continue spreading the positivity! 👍👌🙏
Thank you for doing this kind video for us strangers. Your logic and argumentation line is bullet proof.
Looking forward to the video about the manufacturing at home .
Ride safe 🤙
Thanks for the video, I've been telling my bros this for years. HD has changed for years, AMF bought them out then they bought it back and made a comeback. But over the years it went downhill again. Fram filters are good I use them for everything. I'm an Idaho farm boy and I know what fails and what don't from experience. I don't just blindly buy shit for the logo. I've been a motorhead all my life, before I ever owned an HD. I won't go into detail but over the years I learned from men much older than I about filters and oil and I don't want to go off into the weeds doing pro-mos. But I can tell you I have used Fram filters on everything and never attributed a problem to Fram. Oil ad well I have used oil brands that so called Harley experts said will "burn up my engine" and I'm still riding my same scooter today after 30 years.
MBA's destroy all QUALITY, for profits.
They never really recovered from the corporate AMF take over days. Harley likes to skimp on parts you might never see like BEARINGS! Harley keeps a lot of aftermarket parts manufactures in business like S&S and K&N and many many others. You pay for quality, but you get scammed. Best thing to do is a get a stock 2002 Dyna or something for cheap and immediately rebuild it with aftermarket quality parts.
@@Nine_883 I agree, I always take it apart and take the part I need in to a trusted parts supplier and see if they can match it. Most of the time they will be able to get it from a quality manufacturer for half the price or better, and it will be much greater quality. That goes for most vehicles and equipment as well.
@@Nine_883 well if it wasnt for AMF they would be just another marque for companies like bombardier, people can criticize amf but amf kept harley from disappearring. and unfortunately harley is going backwards and is consumed with baggers and screw the small guy.
Good information, thanks man. After 42 years of riding I now own my first HD. You just showed me something that I needed to see. And I'm not shocked at all.
Jay, thank you for taking the time to educate a lot of folks on the quality of filters. I'm 60 years old and grew up working on my own vehicles. Almost every parts store you went into showed cut filters. Usually it was Fram vs. Wix. The Fram always looked very cheaply made, while the Wix looked very well put together. I believe that has stuck in the minds of a lot of folks. I am very glad that you made this video, showing the quality of Fram nowadays. I will certainly keep that in mind when changing the oil on my bike. I especially want to thank you for the very special and inspirational ending of your video. Far too many folks have gotten away from that thinking. I do believe that what you have said can make a huge difference. Hopefully, folks will take your advice! Again, many thanks!
Every one is different, The car ones are alot cheaper made than the New one for the Harley.
@@jcassociates8198 Depending on how much you spend and application, Fram filters are from very cheaply made to Very well made i use Fram Racing diesel oil filters on my truck... they're just below Cat filters without being a stupendously tall housing. and they beat Fleetguard cummins filters. not to mention they're less than half the price of the cummins filter which is about 80 dollars and the cat filter thats about 100-120 i already have to buy 240 dollars worth of oil every oil change which is every 3500 miles. or 200 hours. why would i spend money on a oil filter thats supposed to last 3-4 times longer than my oil change interval and its over double the price. 32 dollars vs 80-120
@@justnsaliga8518 Maybe I will give fram a try on my 2001 cummins 5.9
In other videos the Fram filters, at least for cars had cardboard endcaps instead of the metal endcaps like the filter in this video. When you spent more money on the higher priced Fram filters with full synthetic filtering media it was then the metal endcaps showed back up.
I have used Fram on every motor I have ever owned. Never had a single issue. Been doing this since my first motorcycle in 1983. Not one issue EVER.
This is one of the best videos I have ever seen! I remember a few years back, people started running down Fram filters and many more jumped on that bandwagon. I have never had any problems with Fram oil filters, and never witnessed anyone else having any problems either. I was always suspicious of all of the anti-Fram claims. Here's some good evidence that my suspicions were correct. I would be willling to bet that it is not just Harley Davidson that is skimping on parts either. There is good reason to believe that many OEM parts are not as good as name brand aftermarket parts. Who knows who even makes OEM parts anyways? The manufacturers sure aren't going to tell you. One thing you can count on though is this: OEM service parts (like filters and tune up parts) are made by the lowest bidder that could meet the minimum specifications. The only thing Fram makes is filters. They have a lot more to lose if it found that thier filters consistantly fail than Harley Davidson or Ford does if filters with their names on them consistantly failed. People consider HD a motorcycle manufacturer, and Ford an auto manufacturer. Most people wouldn't judge an entire bike or car by the OEM filter, even if it failed. They would just say something like "It's a good machine, it just had a bad filter." If the same thing happened with a Fram filter, they would say "Fram filters are junk."
All very true, but when you deal with as many oil sample testing results that utilize Rotating Disc Electrode (RDE) and Inductively Coupled Plasma (ICP) tests to determine particle size as i have over the years you get a sense of the difference between say a Fram's vs a WIX's filter media and to me thats where the rubber meets the road. I've had crappy chinesium two dollar filters outperform Fram but shockingly come very very close to WIX in ability. I'll be honest though, i dont see many Fram results anymore because mostly everything i touch is WIX equipped so Fram may have picked it up quite a few notches over the past 7 years...
There is not good reason to believe that aftermarket parts are better than OEM, because that's just not true. I've been restoring cars for 25 years now and it really depends on what car/motorcycle maker you're talking about.
For instance, OEM Yamaha and Honda parts, and I'm talking specifically about my motorcycles, are just as good if not better than aftermarket parts. The same was always true about my German vehicles.
Harley-Davidson on the other hand is known for trying to rip off their customers.
So it's pretty far fetched to use this example and apply it across the board.
@@gmctech Chinesium is a term for Chinese products that are made out of low quality Chinese metal. Not paper filters. It comes from putting the word Chinese in front of magnesium.
Yes, the filter is encased in metal but that's not the same thing.
@Dan Gerous WRONG MR. KNOW-IT-ALL, IT'S BASICALLY AN ALL ENCOMPASSING BLANKET TERM! From the the web!..... "Chinesium is a made up element, not found on the periodic table, which was invented as a blanket term for every cheap material (metal, plastic, ceramic) originating from China, manufactured at a low quality to decrease production costs and to maximize profits."
I've used ONLY Fram since I started driving 35 years ago.
Never had a problem, never leaked.
My car is a 2006 Sienna with 302,000 miles.
NEVER a problem!
Still runs like new, gets the same mileage it ever has.
Thanks Fram!
No wonder every time I look for a FRAM they're none on the shelf. So I go to WiXX oil filters. When u see a Fram. STOCK UP!! GREAT VIDEO 👍🏼
I'm not surprised at these results as I used to work for wix filters and we made the oil filters for nearly every brand you see on the shelf including AC Delco, Mopar, Ford and Fram. Back then Fram filters were made with better components and were much higher quality than even the OEM filters we made. Fram set their standards higher and were a bit of a pain to make because of those standards but I've used them ever since with no regrets and even paid more for them knowing I was getting a higher quality part. It's nice to know that they haven't lowered their standards over the years like some manufacturers have.
In the automotive world at least, Fram has earned their reputation for making terrible filters.
@@choltzapple people always say that, but I've never seen anyone have any evidence to back it up.
@@choltzapple Frams bad reputation is from knock off products being sold, Always Check that your source for filters is a registered Fram Agent! if they get it from some reseller then usually its a fake
This guy is pretty good but would love to see other filters in thd test. trucks cost a fortune and million mile motors and you dont use Fram for a reason bmw an Mercedes are the same Allison transmission uses a WIX for a reason. Chev use to use them, now the fuel and transmission filters now are cheap junk made in china at twice the price.. Bob the oil guy is a very good source.
@@clybrown cardboard for the filter element and rust inside them brand new
Thanks friend a video with a great message. The world needs more people like you. You made someone's day brighter. And yes the oil filter info was also good
This is awesome, I’ve use Fram a lot of time in many vehicles and never lets me down, I try to get the higher tear fram filters the basics ones usually are not the best but the others are not far behind or even better and available everywhere for cheap.
This is definitely not me coming to this video after installing the new harley filter on my street glide just today. lol a day late and a dollar short. love your channel.
Further reinforces the fact (not idea, but fact) that most motorcyclists, despite their rough outer appearance, are some of the nicest people you'll ever come across in your life. Case and point with Jay in this video. Thank you for opening our eyes to the reality of the situation, as even with as trivial as an oil filter may be to some. Anything that helps another live life a little easier and aids in doing what they enjoy should be championed, needless to say. I'm looking forward to more vids from you!
Amazing the differences in OEM parts today as compared to earlier parts. I have always used Fram filters on my cars and trucks, now I will use them on my Harleys. Thank You very much for pointing out these differences in OEM and Aftermarket parts. 'Back in the Day', as folks are fond of saying, I used Nothing but H-D Oil and Fluids, along with the various filters, on all of my rides. Old Dogs can and do learn New Tricks!!
A Smile and or a Kind Word costs you nothing, but it can be the Best Gift that person gets for a while. I try to be Kind and Friendly no matter what or where. You never know what the other individual is going through, people tend to react in kind to Decent and Respectful Treatment. 'Give Respect and Get Respect' is a motto I try to live by. The Old Saying, 'Act like an Asshole, get Treated like One' is still powerful today. If someone is nasty to me, I try to be understanding and expect the same from others. The world can be a very beautiful place if you have the right Mind-Set. 'Attitude truly is Everything'.
Overall I think it was a fair and honest video with the information supplied, but there was some left out.
The differences in filter media.
1. The total square inches of filter media. The amount of surface area determines the amount of oil that can be filtered at once.
2. The size of particles that are filtered out. The HD twin cam filter (99 part number suffix) goes down to 5 microns. The Evo filter(77 part number suffix) only filters down to 30 microns.
3. By pass pressure rating. All spin on oil filters have some form of oil filtering by pass. It allows oil to by pass the filter if the filter gets to restrictive ot flow. Dirty oil is better than no oil. All spin on filters will do this way more than you want to think about.
4.is the filter capable of providing enough oil. A sportster with a twin cam oil filter will experience bottom end low or no pressure.
I personally would not put a Fram on my lawn mower let alone an expensive motorcycle. 20 years of working on American air cooled vtwins for my money has taught me. There is the exception to every rule, and you really do get to see it all.
Much like many things that were better in the old days Fram is one of them. H
@@TraceyAllen You can plainly see that HD is skimping on filter media because of all the space between the pleats. Add all the glue that's clogging the filter media, and I guess you get the picture.
As far as lawnmowers or motorcycles go, I don't have an opinion on the quality of Fram's oil filters. But for automobiles Fram makes some of the best on the market. The Ultra Synthetic is top notch.
@@snippits75 I’m glad that you have had good luck with fram filters. I’ve been a technician for 20 years, specifically working on Harleys, victory’s, excelsior henderson, buell , and Indian. I have never seen a stock/Oem oil filter that was properly installed, fail. I have seen several Frams. Not a big percentage of the total amount, but more than 0. The main failure point is that glue. The filter media will come loose and plug up the filter. Oil temps in air cooled motorcycles gets really hot, especially now when they are running so lean for emissions, like 275 to 350 degrees. Maybe more if you are in the south.
At the end of the day the biggest problem with any vehicle is the lack of any kind of maintenance. I’d rather see you regularly change your fram filter, than you neglecting a stock one for too long. Regular maintenance is the cheapest option.
That was perhaps the best informational video I've ever seen on any topic on CZcams. Not a wasted word or motion throughout, crystal clear, and left absolutely no doubt when you were through. Extremely well done, Jay. About to change the filters on my and my wife's Harleys. Fram PH6065B all the way. Thank you!
I've used fram on all my bikes and never had one issue with any fram filter. With any filter...change them when your supposed to. Fram is a good product...has been for me. Great video brother!
I'm so glad you did this deconstruction video. I hope you changed some minds.
This video rules! Jay seems like a total stand up guy. Hilarious, informative and absolutely right about all of it..especially kindness:)
I try to do something kind for strangers multiple times a day, even if it's as simple as waiting to hold the door for someone behind me. But I must admit that I do this for selfish reasons, my day is always brighter when those around me are happy and smiling. Being kind almost always gets a heartfelt smile from a stranger.
Thank you Jay for ALL the information you provided. I heard a saying long ago which I try to live by "In a world where you can be anything, BE KIND"
This is the best research video I have ever watched. This puts the Fram doubters in place and I love your easy laid back video with great information that was spot on. You did a great job and will do something for a stranger. Thank you.
Fram fffers different budget categories, you don't want the cheapest you'll get better quality at other brands at the same price. Go for their Mid and specially the Upper tier they are one of the best.
That's one of the best videos I've seen lately.
I like the fact that you took the time and effort to check for yourself something that would otherwise remain a mere speculation, or someone's opinion, and that you checked the old style Harley filter, to which the rest of us may not have access.
I also appreciate the message at the end.
Thank you for sharing.
Jay, thank you for the valuable information. This was a well done video and a true gem. I will make sure to help educate our fellow riders as you have done. And, more importantly, spread the message... do something kind for a stranger. Take care and keep up the good work.
Would love to see you do a collaboration with Project Farm. Your video was to the point, explained in laymen's terms and simultaneously thorough. Thank you for taking the time to do your research.
Thanks for the way you handled this video on every level, not shaming or being Derogatory to the people who left original comments, but were informative and straight forward, but the end message earned you a subscriber.
Hi Jay! Excellent video my friend! First time viewer, now a new subscriber! Over 40 years as a mechanic. I have used nothing but fram oil filters on my own machines. For my customers I will always offer that. For the customers that want the oem filter, I am happy to give them what they want too.
As a professional mechanic that has run my solo shop over 35 years, your words at the end are truly the key to the best work life I could have ever imagined! I practice that everyday.
“Live the life you love, love the life you live” Bob Marley
PROFIT OVER PEOPLE and Harley Davidson is no exception I'm afraid.
I use Fram in everything I own with a motor....honesty, and quality are becoming endangered in our society, and it's a damn shame. Blessings to you and yours brotha.
This guy rocks!
I laughed my head off when I visualized all the "experts" from the comment section watching this video!
I fully support the last message!
Hi Jay, thanks for this great information and comparing oil filters, very much appreciated. And your advice to be kind is really great and thanks for that as well. So simple and yet so powerful!
Last bike I owned was a '00 Ultra. Year 1= 4 stators. That's also the year a Harley rep asked me to leave a bike demo at a HOG rally because I gave poor reviews of how cheaply made the FLT faring was compared to the '89 I owned. Excellent video. Thanks for the info 👍
You are SO Right; we are all brothers and sisters and we can change the trajectory of our world through ongoing intentional acts of kindness to random strangers! And thank you for Fram / Harley reveal!
Excellent presentation..I'm impressed although my 68 doesn't use a can filter, this is great info for the majority of riders out there.
The best side by side comparison video I have seen on the subject. That alone would make me subscribe but you're appeal to treat each other with kindness really sealed the deal. Well done sir!
I very rarely comment on any CZcams content but this is so well presented and has such a solid answer to skeptics it is refreshing. The end message is icing on this particular cake. Well done and well received.
I’ve been a mechanic for 37 years riding motorcycles even longer. I have to say information for these filters is unmistakably. Awesome thank you sir God bless you ride safe.
What a surprisingly well-done presentation, I don't even own a motorcycle, and yet you had me intrigued about an oil filter of all things and watching to the very end.
A good video. Thanks. It's always nice to see someone who actually finds out the proof of the pudding, instead of relying on rumours. 👍
Have always fitted the Harley filter to customers bikes thinking we were offering the best we could, this has me questioning that choice.
Also really enjoyed your message at the end of the video, sure does feel good to be kind out there 👍
Weird, Fram has always served me good. Never thought to go to some place online to listen to strangers tell me that they aren’t any good. Never had an issue and never had an engine failure. Change my oil with Mobile 1 every 10k and a fram oil filter on everyone of my cars for 25+ years. Every 5K with the bikes for about the same amount of time.
Such a wholesome guy and a really in depth breakdown of the filters
Right on JC! I started using Fram years ago on my 90 XL 883 Evo when HD kept $ increasing. Didn't know that Frams were made better, thanks. My Fram oil filter was always black. I actually wanted orange like Indian Larry ALWAYS used!
I just bought my first harley a week ago and just randomly found myself on this video and you sir have a subscriber. Great info, great moral message! Doing good work
Well done Jay. Great video and certainly proves a point. Just because it costs more, it does not mean it's better.
Love your ethos about helping a stranger too.
Cheers,
John
This is so much better to watch than other channels. Others can get so annoying... just the sound of their voice obviously trying to hype themselves. Like they are trying to get style points or something. Hard to watch but yours was easy. Nice message at the end too :)
Hey Jay.love the video. Ive used Fram since i started driving. I was told that fram was ahead of its time back in the day and drag racers back.in the 70s started using them because they were the only oil filter that could stand the elevated oil pressure back then without blowing out. A lot of people ,myself included use Amsoil,oil and filters on our bikes, Wondering about your thoughts on that. Ive used various oils and filters over the years to test and multiple older vehicles in the fanily so i would note oil condition at change intervals. I use Amsoil filters andoil in everything i drive now extended drain intervals seem to live up to thier claims. Ive noted this fram filter and will probably pick one up at my next oil change for the bike. Your ending message on this video should be played around the world.
Good stuff! Thank you. The surface areas between the new HD filter and the Fram appears considerably different as well. I.e. smaller surface area to filter the oil affects a myriad things from flow rate to efficacy of cleaning the oil.
Really nice presentation. Fram used to make some really poor quality filters but they stepped up their game. They also make several grades of filters from basic to ultra premium.
It always amazes me how fast people will jump on a bandwagon to slam a brand before knowing anything themselves. It's just hear something and repeat it! I was told that Harley's are "junk" and are in the shop more than on the street. I ignored them and got my first Harley, a 2008 Night Train. 50k miles later and its been in the shop zero times! The same people would say "Well you are a lucky one". These companies cant survive without a quality product. Thank you for your truth!
Thank you for the advice. The oil filter information was valuable as well. Thank you!
I’ve always used fram and never had issues in fact my last car had 450,000 miles when I sold it so obviously fram filters work and work well. Great video
Many videos on Fram Oil Filters on CZcams, Do your own research. K&N for me.
@@openroadtrucking6562 Did you watch the video? I've sent new Wix filters back on more than one occasion due to poor workmanship. Every application is different. Product quality from most major brands is not the same across the board. I've seen the videos where Fram looks awful. This video shows the opposite. And in one of my applications Wix has sucked consistently. That said, it probably would have worked fine. I've never seen or heard of an engine failure from a cheap oil filter and it doesn't look like HD is concerned about it either.
@@LikelyCandidate Agree wouldnt touch a wix filter seen them fall apart on numerous occasions i generally use Purflux filters but depends on the engine i am fitting them to as it does depend which model to which is best to use
That is not a scientific test, just an FYI.
Wow man, just wow. Random acts of kindness is exactly what will turn the tide. Thanks for this video
Great video, I have always used FRAM in my vehicles and have never had any trouble caused by them. I’m sure that I have literally driven 3 to 4 million miles over all in my 54 years
Nice job…excellent presentation, but most of all great message at the end. Paying it forward has been one of the most rewarding things I've ever done in my life. Be kind to a stranger and if you can do it anonymously, even better.
This is the first video of yours I've seen. I must say it was very good. Nice how you got your point across very clearly & never even raised your voice or got rude. I don't use Fram filters usually (for me it's STP or K&N) but it was cool seeing the comparison. You got a subscriber. 😎🇺🇸👌
Hey Brother. Im retired from the Military. Had to go to Michigan and try and let them teach me to be a civilian again. Were they successful? Ehh... One thing they did introduce me to was Albert Ellis. Your advise in the video is spot on with his development of REBT back in the day. Ive shared to the one who shares with all. Its getting to all the bikers I know. Keep the good work up and keep drivin on. Were not in Kansas anymore. Peace out!
Thanks Brother!! AMSOIL filter and oil user. Hasn’t let me down in about a million miles total use in all my vehicles! GOD Bless!
This is the first video I've seen of yours. I've been using Fram filters for over 40 years on all my vehicles, bike's included even my lawn tractor. I've always heard the argument that Fram filters suck but apparently I don't listen to them... Very good video. I'll be checking out more of your videos.
I've been using Fram oil filters all my life on everything I have ever owned. Been a mechanic for over 40 years and even though I've put other brands on customer vehicles at their request, I won't short change my own equipment.
I'm not a Harley guy at all, but I thoroughly enjoyed this video and the follow-up. Great stuff, Jay. Hope to see some more content from you where you break things down.
Really impressive video. The filters, the being kind.
I have been using K and N oil filters in my 04 Heritage. I looked at the box and they were made in Taiwan.
Now I want to take it apart and look inside.
You are a good man Jay.
The world is still full of kind people and you are an example of them.
Cheers from Ontario
This was a fantastic video! I’ve always used fram filters and have heard people talk bad about them. But you just made a great point.
This is a really good video. I definitely learned something. As a shop owner. I deal with a lot of Automotive oil filters. I have cut open and inspected many of them. I have never been the 'Fram is crap' camp. But I do use HD filters on my Harley. For convenience mostly. The dealer is a mile from my shop. I have several bikes. Not just Harleys. I try to use OEM filters on all of them. But many times. I've used Wally world, Spintec filters without any issue. Same with WIX. I have cut them open. And they are quality filters. After seeing this video. I will pass on the HD filters. Never have I thought HD was synonymous with quality. But your information proves quite the opposite. Thanks for taking the time to point this out. Much appreciated!!
I don't have a Harley, nor was I surprised by the filter details, but the life-changing information was worth watching the entire video. Oh, and the video was nicely done as well, thanks for sharing!
Much of the backlash against Fram filters goes back to the dissection of the economy Fram automotive filters that featured cardboard endcaps. I have not personally dissected the more upscale Fram Ultraguard filters, but I'm told they are well built. In any case, I was aware of the terrible design of the HD filters, and I've been running Fram on my Electra Glide for several years with no issues. Glad you brought this out to benefit the public.
Harley definitely went from bad to worse. Had a horrendous experience with Harley this last summer, getting rid of both of my Harleys. They can continue to flounder and disappear into obscurity for all I care. Edit: Also, thank you for the solid video and the good life advice at the end, Oil Filter Jesus.
Nicely done Jay. I'm a retired designer from HD and I've always used the Fram filter. Now maybe because of your video they might become more difficult to find. Don't know. Good job comparing and showing the inside. Thanks for doing the video. Unfortunately some will stand on that hill claiming that HD is better. I'll continue using the Fram filter and ride with confidence and think of it as a piece of art. Thanks for the advise at the end of the video. Yep, your advise can make a HUGE impact on someone life and you might not even know it.
Agree Brother, been running Fram the best part of 40 years on everything, mostly because of price and ease of finding the one i need... and then habit and loyalty.. dont fix what isnt broken ... nothing better for your soul than giving a little of your time in the service of others..Amen
I don't ride a Harley-Davidson or a motorcycle for that matter but I have friends that do and I have shared it with one of my good buddies from New York thank you for your service.
You sir have done your homework. Straight A student for sure, thank you for the information with examples. Look forward to everything you will share. America needs you! New fan Brian from SC 👍🇺🇸
This was an truly inspirational Oil Filter comparison. Who would have thought an 'oil can' review could bring a tear to my eye? This one did, and I thank you for that.
That was probably just a gnat or something flew in there, like the one in mine right now😅
Dang gnats🥲
Thanks for a real down to earth,informative video,no fluff,no crap,just real good advice.something really worth watching.
My bike is black and orange. Fram filter matches my bike, LOL. Works just fine no issues. I’ve been using them for 30 years absolutely no problems. God bless.
Appreciate your channel.
I have used Fram forever it seems but also have used Super Tech for many years as well without any issues.
Thanks for doing this Jay. Fram got a bad reputation among foreign bike riders back in the early '90s after a faulty Fram blew off a motorcycle at high speed at Willow Springs. The result was an oily track that killed one rider. Fram filters were outlawed by WERA and the AMA for a time. The foreign bike filters were being made in I believe Korea. Fram pulled the manufacturing of those filters back into North America (Canada I recall) as a result. I always suspected the Fram H-D filters were probably made in the US due to the volume needed as opposed to the foreign bike filters where 12 different filters were needed to match the same number of Fram H-D filters made in a year. Excellent video.
I ride dirt and adventure bikes so have no idea how this ended up in my feed but god damn it I clicked anyway and stuck through to the end because it was informative with no fluff or fancy production. Also it may be late in the day but I’ll be sure to do something kind for a stranger in the next day or two.
My mom always says to me when I'm leaving for work, "Do something nice for somebody today." I always try to make someone else's day just a little better than it was before I interacted with them.
This is an EXCELLENT review - and I really enjoyed the dry wit that you delivered along with the great information. Nicely done, Sir.
I appreciate your dedication and research....thank you
I love this video. It embodies Be curious, not judgmental. You handled it quite well too by coming at the situation with facts. Plus, after knocking it out the park, you then truly gave great advice. I subscribed and I hope to see some more out of ya!