The Many Forms of Samurai Loyalty

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  • čas přidán 10. 02. 2022
  • How loyal were the Samurai? So often we think they were paragons of honor and duty to their master or family, but is that really the truth? In this video I use Antony Cummins' latest release "The Book of Bushido" to help examine this fascinating topic.
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Komentáře • 163

  • @TheShogunate
    @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +24

    Get yourself a copy of "The Book of Bushido"! www.amazon.com/Book-Bushido-Complete-Samurai-Chivalry/dp/1786786052

    • @adrammelechthewroth6511
      @adrammelechthewroth6511 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Loyalty and honor are weaknesses. Offing yourself for honor is a foolish and braindead thing to do. But samurai did it. That's what makes them weak. Life is too important to simply die for another's ideal. The best death is a natural death.

  • @AndreLuis-gw5ox
    @AndreLuis-gw5ox Před 2 lety +309

    Samurai were so loyal, that their legacy inspired a whole series os strategy games where you basically bribe and recruit samurais from other clans while exterminating their old masters families haha

    • @TonyJrj
      @TonyJrj Před 2 lety +7

      Which game? 😅

    • @AndreLuis-gw5ox
      @AndreLuis-gw5ox Před 2 lety +26

      @@TonyJrj the Nobunaga's Ambition franchise

    • @Jtworthy1
      @Jtworthy1 Před 2 lety +10

      @@TonyJrj rome total war shogunate is one game

    • @HydrikMasqued
      @HydrikMasqued Před 2 lety +23

      I see someone has played the Nobunaga games

    • @shirowolfanimator
      @shirowolfanimator Před 2 lety +4

      And shogun 2 (i've played like 86 hours) of shogun 2 according to steam

  • @discipleofsound4565
    @discipleofsound4565 Před 2 lety +78

    Romance: "Death before dishonour!"
    Reality: "My lord didn't give me enough land, so I defected."

    • @shanedoesyoutube8001
      @shanedoesyoutube8001 Před 2 lety +8

      Pretty sure death before dishonor (regarding surrender or retreat) *was also* in reality too???

    • @AlbanAwan
      @AlbanAwan Před rokem +11

      @@shanedoesyoutube8001 Yeap, people want to flock to the opposite extreme and act like those that strived for higher standards didn’t exist.

  • @jeffreysams3348
    @jeffreysams3348 Před 2 lety +38

    One comment about Asai Nagamasa was that he actually did want to support Nobunaga, however he tended to rule in concert with his retainers (remember, the retainers pretty much had forced Nagamasa`s father to retire in favor of Nagamasa (who was much better in battle) and his retainers were all for supporting the Asakura...Once the decision was made, Nagamasa did not hold back but say unlike Nobunaga, Nagamasa did not have free reign in decision making (so he showed loyalty to his subordinates)

  • @matthewmelange
    @matthewmelange Před 2 lety +42

    Awesome video. I really liked that list of “rules” the samurai were supposed to live by.
    One topic I’d love to hear is examples of samurai injustice. Obviously the idea of injustice is subjective but things like confiscating things from peasants, whether it be their tools, horses, heirlooms, or even forcing them to marry off their daughters.

  • @michaelbandada9887
    @michaelbandada9887 Před 2 lety +6

    “My lord, I humbly pledge my loyalty to thee and I shall serve thee until the bitter end. I shall fight for thy honor regardless of how dire the situation is and if ever I besmirch thy honor, I shall gladly commit seppuku in order to atone for my shortcomings.
    As a gesture of my faithfulness to thy will, I shall have one of my sons stay at thy house as a hostage and I shall pay a generous fee as token of my undying fidelity”
    - a presumed oath of loyalty from a samurai

  • @kj-gs3yu
    @kj-gs3yu Před 2 lety +28

    Nice video. Just recently while reading an encyclopedia of wars I stumbled upon the story of Yamada Nagamasa a merchant and warrior who led a japanese colony in the kingdom of Ayutthaya (modern day Thailand) and even fought with a small contingent of ronin.

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +13

      I have heard some stories of stuff like that!

    • @marleyjr00
      @marleyjr00 Před 2 lety +1

      I think one of the ronin showed up in the Ong Bak movie.

    • @kj-gs3yu
      @kj-gs3yu Před 2 lety +1

      @@marleyjr00 From what i know there is a movie based on the life of Yamada Nagamasa made like Ong Bak with fights ect.

  • @Genrikh_Yagoda
    @Genrikh_Yagoda Před 2 lety +49

    Heh, a shining example of this loyalty breached lays in a samurai by the name of Tōdō Takatora. He served 10 or more masters and became a Daimyo under the Tokugawa Shogunate.

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +19

      Guy hopped around haha

    • @jeffreysams3348
      @jeffreysams3348 Před 2 lety +12

      But many of his jumps were in part due to he deaths of his lords (first the Saito and at the end Toyotomi Hidenaga. He was well thought of and trusted by Ieyasu which was no mean feat.

    • @Genrikh_Yagoda
      @Genrikh_Yagoda Před 2 lety

      @@jeffreysams3348 I know, I know. Just saying

    • @Warmaker01
      @Warmaker01 Před 2 lety +6

      @@jeffreysams3348 That's one helluva accomplishment considering what Ieyasu generally thought of the Toyotomi retainers.

  • @cadethumann8605
    @cadethumann8605 Před 2 lety +34

    15:14 I'm interested in learning more about the benevolent aspects of Samurai. Many people like to focus on the negative aspects like cutting down commoners over perceived insults, which is fine to point out, but it is refreshing to see some level of humanity (eating the same poor quality of food as commoners is no laughing matter). I'd love to find out more acts of benevolence from samurai.

    • @_Pauper_
      @_Pauper_ Před rokem

      They dressed super cool? That’s worth a lot

    • @cadethumann8605
      @cadethumann8605 Před rokem +1

      @@_Pauper_ Luminescent beings are we, not this crude matter. Material objects don't define the character. I'd still call an aesthetically-pleasing but abusive warrior a piece of $hit (just as I would with the infamous WWll regime by Crapler).

    • @sukitron5415
      @sukitron5415 Před rokem +2

      I mean a lot of Jizamurai were basically peasants in all but name so I would have thought that a lot of them were nicer to the common people

  • @safruddinaly5822
    @safruddinaly5822 Před 2 lety +4

    I think it's pretty sad how in the comment section people making fun of samurai loyalty mocking it cement it on one concept yet don't realize that loyalty in this video comes in many form

  • @cynfaelalek-walker7003
    @cynfaelalek-walker7003 Před 2 lety +11

    After I saw what Mitsuhide did I've decided no one is trustworthy, not even family if you look at the Ashikaga.

  • @HistoriaenCeluloide
    @HistoriaenCeluloide Před 2 lety +57

    Something I found fascinating about the Sengoku Period is that the samurai loyalty was at the level to Game of Thrones and were rather the shinobi who showed true loyalty 🧐

    • @lukalovric2463
      @lukalovric2463 Před 2 lety +8

      Compared to actual history, Game of Thrones is a saturday morning cartoon

    • @anasevi9456
      @anasevi9456 Před 2 lety +13

      Nothing new there, centuries prior from the 900s to the Mongol Invasion; they were noted as peak gloryhounds whose first loyalty was to riches... and I honestly don't think it changed much during the Edo period... even if obviously they had to live far more sober lives. It was the Meiji restoration and exposure to western culture where everything allova sudden had to be about honour in all aspects of personal conduct, not just family and perhaps religious matters.

    • @NefariousKoel
      @NefariousKoel Před 2 lety

      @@anasevi9456 - I heard someone point to the beginning of the modern romanticism of samurai honor & loyalty as being a book written around the beginning of the 1900s, perhaps end of 1800s. Don't recall what it is but the trend reportedly started around that time. Nothing unique to Japanese samurai culture, as such exaggerations of past warrior castes has happened, later on after they had largely passed, in other cultures too.

    • @samuricexful
      @samuricexful Před 2 lety +1

      I think it had to do more with many lords finding shinobis dishonorable rather than them being loyal.

    • @terminator572
      @terminator572 Před 2 lety +1

      Ah yes, pop culture thing is totally the same as historical period.

  • @IKEMENOsakaman
    @IKEMENOsakaman Před 2 lety +29

    Much of those samurai cultures are actually passed down today to the Yakuzas, but also among normal people (or should I say, the non-Yakuzas). The concept of "kamiza" and "shimoza" is one of them, where all salaryman follow. When they go drinking after their long day of work, their boss sits at the kamiza and the lowest rank sits at the shimoza. This was because the shimoza was the closest to the door, therefore if intruders with katanas came burging in, the person in the shimoza was the first to get killed, giving time for the person in kamiza to escape or prepare to fight.

    • @Swinglele
      @Swinglele Před 2 lety +5

      This is true across East Asia as well. I once took a katana in the head, that's how I made Assistant Regional Manager.

    • @chriscormac231
      @chriscormac231 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Swinglele assistant *to* the regional manager

    • @maxstirner6143
      @maxstirner6143 Před 2 lety

      Well, in Europe we solved the problem having doors opening to the left

    • @DccAnh
      @DccAnh Před 2 lety

      @@maxstirner6143 How is that gonna solved the problem ?

    • @connorperrett9559
      @connorperrett9559 Před 2 lety

      @@DccAnh
      I assume he meant that doors opened outwards, so that any attackers coming from outside would have to awkwardly pull the door open towards them rather than being able to push the door in as they enter, which may slow them down somewhat, though I don't know if that's what he meant.

  • @akechijubeimitsuhide
    @akechijubeimitsuhide Před 2 lety +25

    This is why I'd love to see a taiga more focused on the Azai (maybe with Oichi or Kyogoku Maria as the lead). They are often depicted negatively because the lead is from Nobunaga's or Monke's circles. Ironically enough, Nobunaga Concerto (inaccurate as it is) portrays Nagamasa with sympathy and gives him a larger role.

    • @odanobunagafan4964
      @odanobunagafan4964 Před 2 lety +1

      Given both of our channel names/profile pictures, this is a slightly awkward situation...

    • @james-97209
      @james-97209 Před 2 lety +1

      Is it me or nobunaga has been done dirty? Like the only media that I managed to find were he isnt a villain or girl are pokemon conquest (anti hero) and the 2009 film goemon(mentor to the titular character)

    • @hideyoshi9568
      @hideyoshi9568 Před 2 lety +1

      @@james-97209 in Kessen 3 he is a hero.

  • @SaladDressing69
    @SaladDressing69 Před rokem +2

    Honestly, a great example of this is the case of Inaba Ittetsu amongst many other samurai; honor is a personal trait, loyalty is a facet of honor, it shows more to care for one's family and riding the flow of the times. Honorable without question, yet no trace of rampant seppuku as we are still here. He served directly along side the biggest names of the Sengoku period and managed to navigate our family as to not die as best as possible while holding land, and also fighting for historical lands of namesake while surviving many battles. Loyal to whom he served but always one to maintain a sense of independence, especially after Nobunaga died. Also in the joining of Nobunaga's forces instead of remaining with the Saito lord that was discernably a lesser choice and not worthy of dying for. People with an over-romantic sense of blind-loyalty seem to be lauded in pure romance, foolishly, "Oh and then their whole family was killed as a result of one man's loyalty"--sod off on that.
    Balance and nuance seem to be much more akin to the largely Buddhist and Shinto and even Confucian beliefs that would've been part of daily life along side the reality of the warring states or pretty much any other time in that history. Anyone judging from an overly-romantic sense of ignorance is likely not synthesizing the parallels to how all of this still plays out today. It is literally part of the human story, power and agreement, push and pull. In this ancestor's example directly you can also see both punishment and praise, his personality being the namesake of the monk's name of Ittetsu (One-Iron / Stubborn). A famous account is being imprisoned for going against Nobunaga's wishes (he was a general for the Oda armies), only to reconcile as personal friends--or how his grandson was imprisoned by Hideyoshi and had to return clan-headship to his father. Or apparently was even invited to a tea ceremony to be assassinated by Nobunaga, but apparently once more displayed a sense of virtue and education and both parties revealed they had all brought daggers with them. Nobunaga's party to kill Ittetsu, and the latter explaining he figured he could kill at least one of them in the room--knowing he was being drawn into a trap. This also won Nobunaga's respect. Nuance.
    Oh and he helped destroy the Azai (oh yes, deal with it) as they killed most of his male family, he also crushed Ando Morinari after Nobunaga's death as he sided with Mitsuhide. It seems that the amount of death and the changing of leadership of the time would probably draw someone away from loyalty to a lord beyond a certain level of necessity and more pragmatically focus on one's family and longevity of it. Particularly, I would say my ancestor was probably personally loyal to Nobunaga, as well as historically Hideyoshi, and also personal indeed friends with Ieyasu, as they all fought along side one another in many, many battles. After Honno-ji, it was noted that Ittetsu double-downed on a sense of independence as for our family not to be subordinate to none but the upper-most (the Ikeda were given control of Gifu castle, in Mino, which of course was originally Inabayama Castle, this apparently prompted a stronger sense of family pride I would assume through stubbornness and a sense of being subverted here). Ittetsu also spared the lives of two spies sent into his province and on both accounts treated them well and gave one food (as he was clearly young and emaciated) and the other gold (apparently disguised as a monk) with both of them knowing they were caught, but were spared; one--the prior--even returned to fight for Ittetsu at Anegawa but died in combat. The time and the truth of it, where/who would you be in that time period and how would you survive, what would it look like? Dicey to navigate, I'd say.

  • @truflavas25
    @truflavas25 Před 2 lety +7

    This is one of my favourite videos about the Samurai that you’ve made. Keep it up 👍🏾 💯🖤

  • @jasontakahashi6374
    @jasontakahashi6374 Před 2 lety +3

    Thank you for this video!! I find it fascinating on the levels of loyalty or sometimes lack there of. This is one aspect that makes the Sengoku Jidai such a interesting subject. Cannot wait for your next video!

  • @peraperic535
    @peraperic535 Před 2 lety +9

    So nice to learn such think about Samurai. Thank, s bro...

  • @RonOhio
    @RonOhio Před 2 lety +11

    I recently read Bushido, Soul of Japan by Inazo Nitobe and am glad to see this video, and another book with a different take on the subject because I came away from that book with a feeling that it was an apologia more than a factual exploration. I think it would take years of study to be able to read Japanese authors without missing most of the important side channel information.

  • @johnpittsii7524
    @johnpittsii7524 Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks for the info. ❤ your content

  • @StrongZeroPowerHour
    @StrongZeroPowerHour Před 2 lety +8

    Always thought it was funny how people overseas emphasize "loyalty" so much for the Samurai -- my family was deliberately split to ensure the survival of the lineage across both sides of the battle of Sekigahara. After the battle, one half was more or less liquidated or banished, but the other half secreted away the people and treasure they could, where it remains in some old kura in the mountains. I feel like for my family, the closest ties were between direct retainers and such; to this day, descendants of one family or the other still tend to one others' tombs.

    • @anasevi9456
      @anasevi9456 Před 2 lety

      and yet here we are, I shall subscribe hapa Sam Hyde.

    • @romacechina
      @romacechina Před 2 lety +1

      Like the Sanada Clan did.

  • @nursery6269
    @nursery6269 Před 2 lety +7

    Samurai were so loyal that they didn't need a metsuke in their armies to give them +1 loyalty

  • @vaimast2825
    @vaimast2825 Před 7 měsíci

    Great video

  • @AlfonsoTheTraitor
    @AlfonsoTheTraitor Před 2 lety

    Always informed i really enjoyed this video a lot it’s a subject that really doesn’t get enough attention in my opinion. Keep up the great work?

  • @sengokusanada2690
    @sengokusanada2690 Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome video!

  • @xFlow150
    @xFlow150 Před 2 lety

    Excellent video!

  • @jimross7648
    @jimross7648 Před 2 lety +4

    Loyalty has always been for sale or trade and in this Japan and the Samurai were no different. Predictability in one's allies, companions, and families is an important factor in stability of power.

  • @dirksuhling9927
    @dirksuhling9927 Před 2 lety +2

    Awesome vid

  • @jeffreysams3348
    @jeffreysams3348 Před 2 lety +3

    It should be noted that the split in the Toyotomi camp mentioned here had a lot to do with Nene (Kitamandokoro who was Hideyoshi`s wife) and Yodo (Chacha, the mistress/2 wife who gave birth to Hideyori). The generals close to Nene went for Ieyasu (and legend has Nene telling them all that is was not disloyal to Hideyoshi`s memory to fight for Ieyasu)....

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +4

      I've read some stories about that. I know Kobayakawa Hideaki had also been told by her that he should support Ieyasu, or so the story goes.

  • @roloduarte3100
    @roloduarte3100 Před rokem

    Awesome channel.

  • @animelore8559
    @animelore8559 Před 2 lety +9

    I feel like chivalry gets mistaken nearly just as much as Bushido. With Knights being just as Loyal as Samurai be it to their lord, house, or the church, but not as much to any code. Not to mention just as much betrayal, with major French houses siding against the French king and aligning themselves with the English during the 100s year war.

    • @Knoloaify
      @Knoloaify Před 2 lety +3

      Absolutely, in fact, one big problem throughout the middle ages for lords were vassals with multiple allegiances.
      I think it's more true to assume that overall people value and praise loyalty and that it's definitely a part of warrior culture. But such cultures never had any rigid code of conduct (except maybe in some very closed circles like the Templars) and they were still made of people, who all had their own interests and ambitions.

    • @animelore8559
      @animelore8559 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Knoloaify Agreed, feudal vassals being difficult to control for any lord no matter the culture. I'd probably say the Holy Orders come the closest to the idea of a 'noble knight', although even them took part in raids, plunder, and plenty of massacres regardless of religion. Mainly thinking of the Norman knights in Sicily and Naples as wells as the knights of Saint John.

    • @goodcomrade2949
      @goodcomrade2949 Před 2 lety

      Even scotish indipendence wars nobels fought with the english and the ones who rebelled fought in earlier years often with the english on crusades etc

    • @safruddinaly5822
      @safruddinaly5822 Před 2 lety

      I agree with you. Just looks at the comment section mocking the concept of loyalty yet keep indirectly push the concept of true loyalty

  • @Z020852
    @Z020852 Před 2 lety +1

    The weird part about people who firmly believe in Samurai loyalty is they praise Naomasa and Tadakatsu...but ignore Ieyasu while forgetting about Yukimura if not also laughing at Mitsunari.

  • @febriandi_lushan
    @febriandi_lushan Před 2 lety +6

    To be honest as bad as potrayed Nobunaga is he seems the one who get betrayed a lot, it was Takeda who broke the alliance, although Mori during Motonari was friendly they fastly change stand, and there also Ashikaga Yoshiaki who betray him few times and yet still get spared. And there ofcourse Mitsuhide. (Owh and also there is Azai)

    • @shanedoesyoutube8001
      @shanedoesyoutube8001 Před 2 lety

      If the demon king killed yoshiaki, realm divide woulda happened

    • @agathonchristianto9580
      @agathonchristianto9580 Před 2 lety +3

      Every single politician (or warlord in this case) were opportunistic and self serving. Alliance were always made to further their own goal/benefit. When some(one/party) no longer benefitted by said alliance it was common sense for them to break that alliance/end it a bit prematurely. It was also pretty common to break the alliance when one sides gain too much while the other gain too little from that alliance.
      There is also self-preserverance reason. Every single warlord during that era were rival to each other. Alliance were usually built to by weaker party to contain the biggest threat in their neighbourhood. But when one side in that alliance is growing too strong, they will become THE threat instead, so to prevent their rival from growing too strong the weaker side will usually end the alliance prematurely and try to made alliance against their former ally instead.
      Lastly during such warring state alliance may be made between two powerful warlord so that they both can focus on consolidating their power and beating their other (preferrably) weaker enemy first before they will inevitably face-off against each other, such alliance is clearly doesnt built to last for long.

  • @lottenetzel8751
    @lottenetzel8751 Před 2 lety +1

    This made me not feel bad for leaving my old job despite being loyal to my boss. Thanks

  • @Danganraptor
    @Danganraptor Před 2 lety +11

    All clans during peacetime: We have a selection of codes to follow. The peasantry pays their dues and we protect them as our code allows.
    Some clans during wartime: This is the time we embody our code and strive to right what is wrong!
    Other clans: We didn't make nice with the Jito/Daimyo just to be on a sinking ship.

  • @tonk8395
    @tonk8395 Před 2 lety

    very cool

  • @captainscarlett1
    @captainscarlett1 Před rokem +2

    The ethics of the samurai were similar to those of the Romans and the mafia. Many unbreakable rules that you can break, if you're powerful enough to get away with it or no-one knows you broke them. Catch-22; you can do anything they can't stop you from doing.

  • @MKfanmomo
    @MKfanmomo Před 2 lety +2

    What about Masunaga Hasahide who is depicted in many games as the epitome of disloyalty and treachery? He's side switching camps all the time haha.

  • @wasigupito5736
    @wasigupito5736 Před 2 lety +2

    Samurai is just like Employees nowadays
    You have choices to be loyal to your employers, betray them and later be loyal to another, or destroy their bussiness

  • @Arachnoid_of_the_underverse

    A very controversial writer in certain circles. In his own words, only taking references from certain texts and discarding other historical documents (for spurious reasons).

  • @AlbanAwan
    @AlbanAwan Před rokem +1

    I’ve been wondering if Anthony Cummins’ books are any good. I’ll take this as an endorsement.

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE Před 2 lety

    Good video

  • @forceclawgalardo1674
    @forceclawgalardo1674 Před 2 lety +2

    4th comment also love your work my lord

  • @godzilla5599
    @godzilla5599 Před 2 lety +3

    If you follow a fool to their end then that's what I'd call "blind loyalty" as strange as it sounds the hardest damn thing about being loyal is knowing when you have to fight the person your giving your all for,you hope it never comes to that but sometimes the only way to save someone is a smack in the face.
    With the Samurai you really didn't see that much and probably the only one I could point to was Toyotomi Hideyoshi who seemed to give his all for Nobunaga.
    Ieyasu was....well I'd say a fairly wise old fox who may have been playing chess while everybody else was mucking about with checkers,in the end he got the whole pie.

  • @LibertarianTerriermon
    @LibertarianTerriermon Před 2 lety +4

    Ieyasu: I'm sorry Sena I'm going to have to **** You and our son To prove my loyalty to Nobunaga.
    Sena: WHAT?!?

    • @nont18411
      @nont18411 Před 2 měsíci

      Sena got Tokugawa shogunated

  • @NikoChristianWallenberg

    You should do a video on the 2000 PS2 game Kessen.

  • @Jtworthy1
    @Jtworthy1 Před 2 lety

    Hey the Shogunate I was wondering do you know of any channels that do the exact same thing you do but with western Europe going through the intricacies of politics and culture of the knight and societies they existed in???

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety

      Unfortunately I don't know anything that is totally like my content but if you are looking for just great channels to watch that talk about Knights and Medieval Europe I definitely recommend Metatron and Shadiversity!

  • @tombarsegian4285
    @tombarsegian4285 Před 2 lety +2

    Sorry bout the separation of comments.
    Japan's the best nation on EARTH, problems they have...best people,best culture,best love🥰🤔❤️🙏😍💕😘

  • @theMOCmaster
    @theMOCmaster Před 2 lety +1

    Great video and I know the focus is the samurai so that's probably why you left this out but I feel this video overlooks loyalty to the emperor, a component of samurai loyalty that was propagandized and glorified by Imperial Japan but which still may have had legitimate historical precedent in the samurai period such as the example of Kusunoki Masahige who fought in the Kenmu restoration. I bring this up because I think the popular culture concept of bushido has less to do with pop history likening it to chivalry and more with the WW2 era incarnation focused on loyalty to the emperor stronger than the fear of death.

  • @eliasssm
    @eliasssm Před 2 lety

    Hey The Shogunate, i have a quick question. I have always wondered who took yoshimoto's head at the battle of okehazama.when i looked it up some sources said that an oda samurai named hattori koheita took yoshimoto's head in the battle. Is this story true?

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +1

      I am not sure if we can ever accurately say who killed Yoshimoto, but after taking a glance at the Japanese wiki corpus, it looks like some believe Yoshimoto was decapitated by a Samurai named Mori Yoshikatsu.

    • @eliasssm
      @eliasssm Před 2 lety

      @@TheShogunate Thank you for the Answer, i really appreciate it🙏🙏
      It is very interesting that no one can tell who exactly killed yoshimoto. It is like a burried secret of the sengoku jidai which will never be revealed. Which is super interesting in my opinion.
      By the way, keep up that awesome work and make more interesting videos like these. 🙏🙏🙏🙌😁

  • @donchichivagabond1578
    @donchichivagabond1578 Před 2 lety +1

    Anyone who disagrees with these assertions deny actual human behavior and nature. Every people has the same cares; desires; hates and fears. The Japanese were just like everyone else. They just did with much more strictness.

  • @y11971alex
    @y11971alex Před 5 měsíci

    I’d point out that loyalty between clans existed before samurai did. Yamato no Aya no Koma helped Soga no Umako assassinate the emperor, and in an age when the emperor was considered divine, there could be nothing more shocking and demanding of devotion to do. OTOH clans were not perfect internally as Soga no Kurayamada no Ishikawa no Maro helped assassinate a cousin Soga no Emishi 😅

  • @commandodante13
    @commandodante13 Před 2 lety

    i hear a rumor why Akechi betray Nobunaga....
    one i hear was about Azuchi Castle/Palace Turret costruction...it was Mitsuhide design and want oversee the costruction. The deisgn was agreen but the costruction given to Ranmaru Mouri or Hideyoshi....that made Mitsuhide angry...but still, it was a rumor, no research evidence.....that i like from history, if no evidence.....we can be assume it as rumor....

  • @waltonsmith7210
    @waltonsmith7210 Před 2 lety +2

    Why would bushido be the "soul of Japan" when most people at any given time were not samurai? Let's face it, most of us would have a very different opinion of samurai if we lived in a village in Japan back then.

  • @cadethumann8605
    @cadethumann8605 Před 2 lety

    Small note, but I'm grateful for the shogunate channel to heart my comment. Sadly, the heart faded when I edited it to correct a spelling error. If you're reading this, could you heart it once more? Thanks.

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety

      haha yeah I can heart it again

    • @cadethumann8605
      @cadethumann8605 Před 2 lety

      @@TheShogunate You're the best, my lord. And I mean it with respectful loyalty.

  • @opioo.5953
    @opioo.5953 Před 2 lety

    Interesting video. Now you should do a video based on the book, "Paekche's Principle : The Great Secret of Asia"

  • @Infinitebrandon
    @Infinitebrandon Před 2 lety

    Nice analysis. I prefer your commentaries to Mr cummins. I'm just saying, Japan is a place of great honor, loyalty and real chivalry. Every soul can see that. There's also some of the worst devil's there, an epic stage of history.
    I find the Buddhist samurai were not just the best strategists, but most loyal. The code to destroy suffering is the only true loyalty and honor that I see

  • @aarondemiri486
    @aarondemiri486 Před 2 lety

    Edward the black prince and William Marshall are models of chivalry who would say would be the true embodiments of the bushido code if you get my meaning

  • @krishnanv7907
    @krishnanv7907 Před 2 lety

    Just wanted to ask do you think mitsunari survived after sekigahara

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +1

      Noooo, it's a pretty well known fact he was executed. Would be an interesting story if he survived.

  • @tombarsegian4285
    @tombarsegian4285 Před 2 lety

    I've discovered your channel about 3months ago...! Having discovered, I've learned a lot.Amazing what you done...! I have studied Japanese History for 3years... language for 2yrs.. very difficult...!🤔🥰. However I was to live in Japan...but 2020 kill it....?!.. I'm financial Rich....fully vaccination,plus booster

  • @outstretchedwings
    @outstretchedwings Před rokem

    From what I gathered, it sounds like bushido is more like the Pirate Rules in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, just suggestions. The samurai sound a lot like modern athletes to me.

  • @Anamnesis010
    @Anamnesis010 Před 10 měsíci

    Take a shot every time "loyalty" said. See you in Meido.

  • @NapoleonAquila
    @NapoleonAquila Před 2 lety

    I feel like this channel is repeating itself without new subjects

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +5

      Then you must not be watching it a lot.

  • @anybodykill6666
    @anybodykill6666 Před 2 lety +1

    You should have a sponsored content label...

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +3

      The problem is that the video is not really "Sponsored" in the usual sense, but I did just update it anyway.

  • @bread4713
    @bread4713 Před 2 lety

    The Codex Bushido

  • @titomaximus1377
    @titomaximus1377 Před 2 lety +1

    no matter what you say about them, you can't say they didn't have skin in the game

  • @saidtoshimaru1832
    @saidtoshimaru1832 Před 2 lety

    I don't think that the idea of unwavering loyalty can be applied to the western code of chivalry anyway.

  • @MCorpReview
    @MCorpReview Před 2 lety +1

    They might b braver and more polite than western knights but loyalty just isn’t practical yo. It’s good that it’s not taken for granted. Feel like the ritual suicides are just face saving mechanism. Can’t remember famous knights doing that though Shakespeare claims Brutus committed suicide after his defeat at phillipi by Caesar’s heirs. I like how u put that Tokugawa killed his son mainly outta fear 😨 rather than loyalty. That sounds more normal even rational.

  • @BoloBouncer
    @BoloBouncer Před rokem

    I am now a Bushidoboo

  • @elshebactm6769
    @elshebactm6769 Před 2 lety

    🤠👍🏿

  • @Warmaker01
    @Warmaker01 Před 2 lety +1

    In Star Trek, the Klingons follow this a bit. Ideally, the Klingons have a reputation of loyalty, honor, etc, etc. for a society that prizes warriors. One of Trek's main characters, Worf, a Klingon raised among humans, studied the history of his people, their myths, legends, ideals, while growing up, and adhered to them. Having never grown up with any other Klingons, he studied these ideals and basically figured, "This is how all Klingons must be like."
    It gets interesting when Trek continued through the years and you saw Worf, someone that never lived among Klingons but lived strictly by the ideals of what a Klingon should be, started interacted with his own people while in his service with Starfleet. Worf embodies what the Klingon should be, according to legends, traditions, etc. And when you see Klingons that grew up within the Klingon Empire, you saw a wide variety. Like the Samurai, there were ideals that people associated with them. The reality was nowhere near that simple. These ideals were not uniformly adopted. Some Klingons Worf encountered were just like him, upholding the ideals that a Klingon should do. Some he encountered were the opposite, even scoffing at the idea of taking a course of action that Klingon tradition would prefer.
    Even loyalty to the Klingon Empire itself was not absolute. A Klingon Warrior may be more loyal to the members of a Great House he serves under and not the greater Empire. That had big ramifications for the internal stability of the Empire.

  • @jakejutras5420
    @jakejutras5420 Před rokem

    For future reference my man, saying " Hence why " is redundant. There is no need for the Why after saying Hence.

  • @MarvinT0606
    @MarvinT0606 Před 2 lety +1

    The best analogue to the Samurai are the Mafia. Yes they both live by a code but they're both in it for self-interest and serving their superiors (while scheming against them). For the most part they're glorified psychopaths whose reputation has been overly romanticized over the years.

  • @5peciesunkn0wn
    @5peciesunkn0wn Před rokem

    It amuses me greatly to see the difference in rules between rulers across the world. In Edo Japan to the nobility; be thrifty. In France; here's a super lavish lifestyle you have to follow or else you lose your nobility status! What's that? It means you have to spend over 75% of your earnings and often go into deep, deep, deep debt? Not my problem!

  • @ferrisxlove
    @ferrisxlove Před 11 měsíci

    Turns out they were people like everyone else. I say screw blind loyalty as well.

  • @katana2k
    @katana2k Před 10 měsíci

    I hate when I click on a video, and I have to sit through a long explanation of fallacies and misconceptions when i only care about the actual facts.

  • @seandahl8441
    @seandahl8441 Před rokem

    So bushido is like chivalry. Chivalry never existed as a single way of life or code of ethics anywhere also

  • @nejiefelipe
    @nejiefelipe Před 2 lety

    i think if all samurais had true loyalty the metsuke's would be jobless... kkkk Thank you for the video!!!

  • @devingunnels3251
    @devingunnels3251 Před 2 lety

    I dunno man, if you have to pay or intimidate someone into being loyal, I don't think they're actually loyal

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +2

      Hence why it's called "paid loyalty" haha

  • @andraselias995
    @andraselias995 Před 2 měsíci

    This boils down to being humans. Humans have beautiful ideas, which are questionably transformed into practice. (just contrast the teachings of Jesus Christ, and the practices of the many churches in his name) Samurai were in fact humans too, so they behaved as humans do.

  • @racot7145
    @racot7145 Před 2 lety

    There was no loyalty. Samurai served only if he had no choice. They were destroying entire clans including children and women. European knights were much merciful. At least to the people from the nobility .

  • @zouzoudeparis1354
    @zouzoudeparis1354 Před rokem

    They were not that loyal, when you hear sons deposited even killed their own father, or warriors could change side during a battle , hum…. I do not call that loyalty.

  • @id61066
    @id61066 Před rokem

    For 4:40 minutes you spoke nothing about Samurai but only about the book! It looks you're lobbying for book sales than presenting the video!

  • @paulhudson563
    @paulhudson563 Před 2 lety +1

    Some Samurai were not loyal and would swap sides halfway through a battle.

    • @safruddinaly5822
      @safruddinaly5822 Před 2 lety

      There is many form of loyalty. The way you say it is forcing one concept. Did you not understand the video even on the tittle. The way you're saying is loyalty of one concept

    • @paulhudson563
      @paulhudson563 Před 2 lety

      @@safruddinaly5822 i'm just saying being loyal until things looks bad and your side is losing, then go and show loyalty to the winning side doesn't seem very loyal.

  • @kylebricky6419
    @kylebricky6419 Před rokem +1

    How loyal were samurai? Simple to answer. Just look at the Sanada Clan in the Sengoku Jidai 😂😂

  • @stevediaz2878
    @stevediaz2878 Před 2 lety

    ごめんけど。殺しいはさまむらい無天無双。

  • @nustde00
    @nustde00 Před rokem

    ohh how i wish real swordsmen from around earth were there. the Javanese samurai would have been decimated. the weakest of the marvelous classes or romanticized history.

    • @Suksass
      @Suksass Před 10 měsíci

      Lol, those swordsmen were no different from samurai.
      There is no such thing as real swordsman.

  • @danielgreen341
    @danielgreen341 Před 2 lety

    Bro, you’re intro is loo long.

    • @TheShogunate
      @TheShogunate  Před 2 lety +4

      That's why I usually only use it on my long videos.

    • @danielgreen341
      @danielgreen341 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheShogunate ok

    • @odanobunagafan4964
      @odanobunagafan4964 Před 2 lety +2

      If I am going to be completely honest, he has one of the best intros of everyone on CZcams. Making it long is good in my opinion.