SCAM ALERT!!! - Resin Rip-Offs
Vložit
- čas přidán 4. 04. 2018
- Due to the numerous questions as to who/where the good examples are from in video, in order of appearance:
Ed Fluck - lowcab36@epix.net
Kris Morgan - Morgan Automotive Design - www.madmodeling.com/Category/b...
Jeff Ballard - Motor City Resin - www.motorcityresincasters.com/
Ron Andrews - RMR Resin - www.rmrmodels.com/Products.html
Joseph Osborn - Fireball Model Works - www.fireballmodels.info/ - Auta a dopravní prostředky
A few years ago I bought a recast because at the time I didn't realize what it was. Lesson learned, original sought out and purchased, and now I try to do a little extra homework before any cash changes hands unless I'm absolutely certain of the source. Kris, Jeff, Ron, and Joseph all do great work. I haven't had a chance to check out any of Ed's stuff in person.
Thanks for sharing Don.
We all need to support the guys/copanys who makes these great resin casts.
Great update thank you for the heads up. I will be on the lookout and report it for sure. Have a great weekend sir
Your a custom model builder and painter, and you admitted you screwed up a paint job! I respect that. 😎
Thank you for the advice Donn. I am wondering, do the guys that make these awesome molds that you showed here on this video, make a 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 (four door 1/25 scale)? I sure would love to find one and buy one from them if they do. :)
Thanks to big online sites, out of country dealers etc, I don't have a brick and mortar hobby shop inside of at least 75 miles of me. I always supported my local shop even if it cost a little more. By the time I added in some cases exchange rates, postage, taxes I was no further ahead. At least with my local shop, if I had a problem with a kit, they could work with me. Had a kit with a short shot part. (Should never have left the factory but it did.) My shop contacted their supplier and got a replacement kit. Try that from an online supplier. Pirates selling knock offs are thieves out and out stealing from someone else and stealing your money.
Hey just wondering, ever used alcalad prismatic colours? Thinking of painting my 69 camaro in it. How do you use it?
Excellent video and very well said. I am very cautious about buying aftermarket parts for that reason, but, I have bought from Fireball and will continue to use Joseph and support him, awesome products from Fireball. I will admit that I have done some resin casting of parts FOR MY PERSONAL USE ONLY, but never have I cast an aftermarket piece or sold any pieces, not going to happen. Thanks for the heads up on this guy. Cheers
I am new to your channel already have learned a lot thanks but could you show us the ratio lacquer to paint you use your paint jobs are fantastic thanks
Know anywhere I could get a 34 Chevy 3 window or a 2 door tahoe?
April 25, 2018---Not into cars like you and other are, but understand where you're coming from. As to those who say this guy has no copyrights, etc. and just suck it up, as you said you get what you pay for. Now look at it from the guy who did all the work, but now it's YOU who did all the work instead. YOU had to do research on what ever conversion you have in mind and probably have HOURS looking at photos and probably having/using scale drawings for this conversion. How many hours did that take YOU? Now you have to scratch build YOUR prototype and I have no idea how these guys do it....a bunch of sheet styrene molded to shape or maybe polymer clay? How many hours have YOU gotten into building this prototype? And of course, there's the time and money spent on silicone for the FIRST MOLD and then resin to cast the part. How much money and time do YOU have invested now? And YOU haven't sold a single one yet. Don't know if this guy uses a vacuum machine or not, but probably. What's that going to cost YOU? Maybe the detail on your first resin copy isn't right/sharp, so back to YOUR original, taking time and trouble to fix that. ANOTHER mold and resin copy made this time, it' right. Again, YOUR money and time is invested. Now YOU have to get the word out so people will buy YOUR product and of course, YOU'LL probably make several molds so when orders do come in, YOU can fill/ship 'em quickly and promptly as no one wants to be told it'll be a couple of weeks before YOU will have more copies made. And don't forget about YOUR costs of the box, wrapping, etc.And now, enter ME. Oohhhh, that looks sssoo nice and order one, promptly making MY silicone mold/resin copies. MAYBE I'll put some bubble wrap around the product (boxes and product labels are expensive, so screw that) and so what if there are imperfections...I'M making money hand over fist. Money the original sculptor, which is YOU, ISN'T getting. I got back into modeling in late 2016 and going for 1/35th scale zombie/apocalypse dioramas. There are a lot of outstanding resin figures, but they're NOT cheap. They run from $10 to $30 (for survivors or zombies) and when you're looking at having up to SEVERAL DOZEN figures in a diorama, that ain't cheap and I simply don't have that kind of money since retiring. Black Dog is one of the more well known resin figure companies and outstanding quality. Then saw where China was also producing them and thought Black Dog had gone into some sort of business arrangement with one there. So I ordered 6 different figures usually at $6 a pop w/free shipping. Thing is, got NO box or box art... just placed in a small zip lock bag and into the padded mailing envelope. Also the quality wasn't there on a set of two women soldiers. One of their right legs was skinnier than the other, making it look a bit deformed. Yeah, it was a Chinese knock off. Haven't bought ANY resin figure from China since then. Thanks and now I return the soap box to someone else to stand on.
Great heads up. Do we know who the guy is this time or is it yet to be determined?
4:10, is that supposed to be there? Over the wheel well? Just curious.
Thank you for the heads up sir 💯
Thanks for the heads up. Does anyone know this guy's name so he can be reported?
I closed down my company because of this. I went to a show in Toledo OH introduced new products and a few months later I went to show in Allentown Pa and my stuff was bootlegged on the table. I'll keep my stuff to myself.It is what it is you can fight all you want I don't think it will ever end.
That's really messed up.
What models did you have when you make in your company 🤔 that is a bummer you had to close your company.
Well said, thank you!!
I'd like to build a replica of my 1952 Chevy Styleline Deluxe. However one site I found the guy passed away and the other guy that took over is out of stock. Any idea where I can get the 51 chevy sedan with grille and bumpers for a 52 to use with the AMT HT kit? Great video. Long time model car builder just getting into the world of resin bodies (I hope!)
Check with Ron Andrews ... RMR resin
Is there a reputable website for ed and the other original casters
I agree you should see some of the figure recasts 50% quality of the real stuff
Thief is a thief? Do the original resin makers have a licence with ford or chrysler to make thier car bodies?
The comments speak VOLUMES.
This hobby has hit an all time low, the posts in the comments beautifully illustrate the fact that this hobby does not have the maturity to support a healthy aftermarket structure. 80% or more of these people have no idea what is right and what is wrong, they would steal or help someone steal just to get a blob of resin into their possession. This "customer" is just as bad as the bum that steals the tires off a parked car at the airport or commits welfare fraud. They are dishonest greedy parasites who don't care how something makes it into their hands, as long as they get their hands on it and soon. The internet is full of Anthony Grimaldis and John Wileys, Greg Wanns and Shep Sheperds. Most of what you see for sale is recast and a lot of it is a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. Great video, by the way.
The reason so many people comment the way they do is because they have nowhere near the talent needed to create a decent master, then cast and market it and stand behind a great product that nobody else could do. The most talent they could muster up might be to use their 40% off coupon to get some brand X resin starter kit and borrow cousin Jed's Modelhaus kit and dip it in silicone then start a Failbook page.
Thanks for the alert, it seems as though there are scammers in whatever we do...
Where do I find the Plymouth panel and the charger wagon
Not just limited to resin car bodies either. Been going on for years with the military figures, with them getting reproduced in China for pennies, and people buy them up because they are so cheap. The figures end up being crap, because they are a copy of the original figure, and the details never come out when it is a copy of a copy.
Does Ed Fluck have a website or FB page? Would like to see what he has.
And I have to agree with Fireball Model Works, while I haven't gotten the carburetors yet, I have picked up some 4X4 stuff for the Ford Bronco, and the quality and detail are second to none.
So well said, Don. This is so true and needs to end. Its never worth saving a buck and buying from a rip off. No one wins.
My boy luka what's up broseph. This guy is speaking only the truth!
Hey just wondering, why do people use resin bodies if they come in the kit allready? Thanks -conrad :)
I recently bought a resin body from J. Flintstone, ive never painted a resin body, should i treat it like a styrene body and wash, sand, primer, sand and paint? Or is there another way to do a resin body? Thanx!!
Soak in Bleche white for 24 hours to remove mold release . Scrub down with Original Dawn dish detergent or Comet with a toothbrush under warm running water . Prep as though it's a styrene body .
@@ScaleModelTechniques Thank you Sir !!!
Amen brother! eBay and stuff hurts everyone for sure! Rediculous!
I’m wanting to purchase a resin kit for a muscle car and I have no idea what to get can you give me a name or company where I can get a good kit without getting ripped off
there has been a lot of this going on there is also a guy on ebay that copys other peoples decals and they are crap
I have seen resin flat beds that can be adapted to just about any cab choice of your liking .
I was wondering if it'd be possible for the genuine manufacturer to conceal very tiny subtle secret random but registered markings on the parts (individual unit) so as to later help smoke out the perpetrator.
I fully agree with you, specially being a caster myself. The sad truth is a lot of buyers don't know they're buying a rip off copied part.
thanks for the post donn very informational and spot on right. I can't remember what issue of scale auto it was that had a article on the hoops a model car company has to jump thru just to manufacture a model car of a certain car. just because chrysler. doesn't manufacture oh say, plymouths, that doesn't give somebody the greenlight to copy that product. i'm not a lawyer but i'm sure one would agree with that statement.
Thanks for the info!
Well said Don. How can we weed them out? Ron
Copyright laws, falls under "sculpture"
I know I'm setting myself up for one of your lectures, but I think I'd rather chop my own Olds, benefit from the experience, better myself as a modeler and pay Mr Revell his due reward. Before you start, as a Graphic Designer I've had thousands of dollars of my work ripped off, reverse engineered and reused on awful work. Thank God Johann Pachelbel can't hear his work with a beat on it.
+Steve Watts Now why would you think you'd get a lecture ? Modeling is what you make it . How you choose to go about it is your choice , and I have no problem with that at all . Never did , never will .... As for getting ripped off ? Evidently we both know that pain and believe me , I sympathize with you .... Plainly put , it sucks !
+Steve Watts No lecture whatsoever ... As for getting ripped off ? I know / feel your pain and sympathize with you on that score ... Sucks , don't it ?
Hi let me start out by saying I’ve bin a fan since your first CZcams video I’ve learned so much about painting from you and I thank you for that and I agree with you to a point but here’s what I see I’ve purchased a few body’s from those company’s you mentioned and the quality is second to none and I choked down the price I paid chaise I know I’m getting good quality but as the older modelers pass on and there experience and knowledge goes with them all that’s left is the young kids that want to get into the hobby if they don’t then that’s going to hurt the hobby to in my opinion and some of the tools and parts are quite expensive I know of a couple of young modelers I’ve entroduced to the hobby that left it because of the cost if this keeps happening the there won’t be any body to take the place of the old timers that go to modelers heaven And there won’t beanubody to buy thr good quality resin parts as they get older and start making more money and can afford the parts I’m not saying your right or wrong just a different way to look at it just my opinion
Hey Don great video, I could really use your help, I have a 1/25 scale 1959 Cadillac ambulance kit, but the body some how got crushed, do you know of anyone who can make a resin one, thanks for any help you might be.
How much do these models cost on average?
Could you give a link or something to the resin casters you mentioned in the video
They're in the video description sir...
@@ScaleModelTechniques thanks
Be very careful about accusations they may turn out to be wrong. You may be facing a very very expensive lawsuit.
+Thom Never once did the thief's name get mentioned .... That is up to the a grieved parties to deal with ....
Yeah, I'm sure bubba the recaster in his Mum's basement is going to find some clothes, get the El Camino running and drive into town to find a lawyer willing to take on an internet lawsuit.
You must be the perp
He never said a name. Could be 50 guys doing the same thing. Doubt a thief will come forward to complain.
The whole kit you're buying or just the body? Cheers Graham
I wonder Flinststone Resin are good resin car and truck body?
Yes !
Could’t agree more.
Tell Eddie and Julie to make 1:18 resin with open hood. Lazy companies like Boss and GT spirit are making a killing with sealed Resin bubbles for the price of a high quality fully open diecast.
well said, you are right about fireball resins, excellent parts
Thanks Donn for sharing
Alright so how do we know if the body or part was a custom made or recast from a kit? The bodies shown here how would we know if two different casters didn't do the same chopped body? I make some stuff but do enough custom work it would be obvious to spot a recaster. I also need to add are these bodies being cast an sold from copyrighted plastic kits? I have a revell 30 model a body I am casting but used the revell body to start with so didn't I steal there property? I have also bought junk resin an wouldn't consider hack recasters thiefs based on them not being able to cast a clean part as I see plenty of caster selling junk.
+Action Modeler There is obviously no perfect solution . However , by due diligence & paying attention as to who is who in the resin world , a lot of this can be stamped out .
As to casters copying ? Although it is a competitive business , they do associate and talk to each other . Each has their own " niche " and it would be foolish to cast the same piece that others are offering . They avoid it like the plague !
The bodies in the video may have started off as bucks from kit offerings , but no longer resemble them in any fashion
. The kit makers still profit due to the need of having to buy the kit to go along with the resin body to enable modelers to complete their build .
As for " hack " casters ? There are plenty out there . Every day the questions pop up on how to begin casting . Most fail to realize it takes time and practice as does any other art form . Those that buy parts from other resin companies and recast the parts are thieves . Those that knowingly buy said product are just as bad , if not worse .
Believe me when I say that I have first hand knowledge on this subject and have been the victim of it far too many times . Hence the reason for a ten year drought since the last set of DVDs were released . I simply went another route .....
Action Modeler them kits all started off as a revell amt or some other kind of model kit i am sure they didnt pay the 10,000 or more to make the dies or have the machines to extrude the plastic i knw i am a tool n die maker n if its wasnt made for some ones kit they bought they would put a patient on it but they cant because they don't have the ok from chevy buick or any other one i cast parts for my self dont sell any hell i scratch build turbos n give um away i love this hobby but 2 wrongs dont make a right them bodys he casts are flawless so any one who knws great work will buy the better car any ways it will work out for him no one in there right mind will buy the crap body n less u like putty n sanding for weeks
brother we make molds we call dies at work for extruder shops around this area and some roto molds witch they make some plastic stuff from they stole the parts from the big guys n that ass hole is robbing the little guy
I live in Australia could you give me the name off those resign body please
+John Pitscheider
Missing Link - Kevin Lutz
Motor City Resin - Jeff Ballard
Morgan Automotive Design - Kris Morgan
RMR Resin - Ron Andrews
Drag City Casting - Ed Fluck
Thanks for the heads up, I'll keep an eye out.
Thanks so much Donn!!
Price may be lower on a copy however if you have to repair it really what have you saved? Get the original and support the hobby
Yeah I got some Flintstone stuff like that holes ,pivots bubbles ect
Could a product name or creators name be bonded into the mold so when produced, its part of the resin mold. This way, the rip off scammers are forced to do more work to clean it up and hopefully ruin their copy.
I agree with you Don. I can't stand a thief or a liar ripping people off. I used to love going to the model shows. Another thing that really burns me up is these dealers that shrink wrap models where you think you're buying an original kit when you get home the kit is not the kit you thought you bought and you've been taken. It gives all model dealers a bad name!
+Paul McWilliams Kathie and I were at a show looking at vintage kits . MPC Akron Arlen Duster kit caught my eye . Sealed in cellophane yet marked on the box , " Sealed complete vintage kit , missing instruction sheet " . She looked over to me with a questioning look , I just laughed and we walked away ... Uh uh ...
ill stick to making my own for myself. funny you keep mentioning the poor quality of the "bootleg" resin parts because I have seen "reputable" parts full of flash warpage, bubbles and pockmarks because the maker is still using original molds when a silicone mold only lasts for so many castings before it craps out.
I have several of Ed's bodies and a lot of the parts he makes, everyone of them is a beautiful casting
I cannot believe the price of a car model theses days
Does anybody make a flatbed tow truck in 1/24 scale
Don, I AGREE WITH YOU. I have seen the same thing happen in other things besides model bodies, When there is something good, and someone, weather one or a lot , steal the ides things happen. One the quality suffers, the knock off parts or whatever is cheap. Why do you think COKE has so much competition - WHY- every one wants to be the real thing. There ya got it. These f**k off need to come up their own ideas. You are right, buy crap, ya got crap. You buy quality, you have quality. I worked in aerospace for almost 30 years. When I fly I want quality parts in the jet eng's. Not some knock off. I hope you modelers understand, you are only hurting your self. When the quality parts go away you will be left with all these crap shops and wonder where are all those detailed bodies, LONG gone. You lost them by saving a little $. Cut back on that burger, coffee, whatever. BUY quality. You find the knock off in everything from shoes to real car parts. Someone trying to make it cheaper and picking your pocket. Nine times out of ten you are short changing your self. It breaks, wears out too fast, does not fit, something. I have been there. I only buy quality, from clothes to tires, everything. You will see.
I agree with you wholeheartedly
I can not afford the cost of a good quality resin part - but I will not buy a cheap rip off because I know that they are not worth anything.
I can spend my time and money on factory kits and have plenty of personal satisfaction.
Lately the main kit companies have been rereleasing the old kits that I built as a kid.
Holding my breath for the '66 Sonny and Cher Mustang.
I agree with what you said it needs to stop
100% agree.
Thanks for the warning
I have BJD dolls. They as well are made from resin and they get recast a lot. Me being an artiest I get so made when some one steels my work. It's not right and its illegal.
I should go up and see Ron about some models thinking bout getting back into the hobby, been friends with him for years and we've lived in same town since I was born gonna talk to him bout hopefully getting a 67-72 Chevy c40 c50 and c60 cab casted since from what I've found they are unobtanium
Great video Don ! keep up the reviews Sir.
Great message about supporting the Hobbyists who put in the effort to make a quality product 👍
Great video Don.
I myself make my own molds and castings for my dioramas.
I would never use another guys castings as a plug for a mold.
I have used some Chinese stuff and cleaned them up to be respectable. But nothing
from any hard working resin guys. I make almost all of my own plugs (masters) it is a time consuming
and tedious process. but well worth the satisfaction when you pull that first casting from the mold you made!
Don, I have used parts from all ex cept Fireball, and you are correct their products are great!!! I also buy a lot of stuff from Larry at Big Donkey and Jeff Watington all great stuff for sure!!!!
Joseph’s product is also top quality …..
Did you Know about Revell US & Germany Divisions Sold
If it not patented then anyone can copy it unfortunately, you can see that you are furious , laws arnt there to protect the small business guy unfortunately
It’s about The metal, you can't patent these anyway. Patents have to have a 'novel' aspect to them. Car or model design would be copywrite, however I don't think this would apply to scale models as they are essentially copies in their own right. Unless they are unique design.
I hope the quality of work keeps his sales up 👍🏻
Right on the Nail, Sir....
if there wasn't competition between manufacturers prices on things would be just Sky High
First thought I had was is the issue that they are licensed to copy that car and the other people arent? I mean technically aren't they just creating a replica of the car, then someone comes along and creates a replica of that replica? I mean maybe I don't understand but personally I'm not so much worried about the cost of it as I am with I'm finding alot of the resin kits i've spotted and wanted either can't find anymore, or it says out of stock or unavailable, sold out. That's why I'm forced to buy a knock off.
You are absolutely correct, Don. These scumbags need to be stopped. See you in a couple weeks, @NNL EAST.
Well said!!!
Hello Don; Ahmen. When someone lists "a part" on eBay, how do you confirm the origin of the item? Unscrupulous people are known to lie. I've bought some beautiful resin pieces from known companies; Fisher, R&M of Maryland ,Modelhaus, Starter, Studio 27, LMM, Modelers. May they live forever, but no one does.
I agree well said
Thanks for the great video. I am not into cars, but armor, & aircraft, (ww2). Wondering if this bootlegging is going on with armor, & aircraft. Thanks again.
+Richard Tallent I am quite sure that it exists . Amongst my war mongering friends , ( I am joking , mind you ) , the amount of money that some put into one build is mind boggling !
The resin offerings for the military builds are second to none in quality from what I have observed first hand . Most have go to professional casters and will have nothing to do with second hand pieces that have been recast . Their work and it's end result are truly works of art ......
Thank you.
I appreciate the info but why do I feel like I just got scolded like a grade school kid?
+Dirk's NUMA Files Depends on how you look at it . If you're guilty of the infraction , consider yourself scolded . If not , simply consider yourself informed ....This is an example of the Genghis Khan analogy that didn't quite sit right with you a year or so ago . Do right ? Nice guy syndrome ... Do wrong ? Not so nice guy shows up and chews somebody's ass .
In this case ? The aforementioned individuals are way out of line . My channel , my platform , my opinion . Right is right , wrong is wrong , and the truth is the truth ...
Until you have had your own work stolen , pirated , or worse yet , have individuals actively encouraging it , you won't have an idea how frustrating it can be .
I think I agree with you Dirk. I have never heard of any of these guys. I have got some of these from Jimmy Flintstone and they seem fine...great in fact. I guess I am a fool. Oh well.
Jimmy Flintstone is a legitimate manufacture of these. Anyone that is into resin bodies and conversions knows that, and knows most of the names he mentioned.
He is referring to those that take something from Jimmy Flintstone, copy it, and then sell that copy and pass it off as a JF original, but they reap all the profits, and JF gets nothing.
Well excuse me!!
@@viper29ca 1/10th of a degree in design change justies a new tool design. Flintstone has pirated others designs.
i so totally agree im always lookin for quality parts but at the same time im am looking at the supplier that i can count on these guys are patrons of the hobby world and should not be put asunder thanks stay safe scooter d
It happens in all walks of life....awesome video big thumbs up!!.....✨🔥 🎆 🎆
I kinda wonder if these are even licensed to be made by the auto makers themselves? I have not built many cars but do think that the large companies purchase copy rights and such. Maybe these people producing these bodies have bought copy rights not sure. One thing is for sure quality will speak for itself these people building with a lesser product will still wonder why they can’t build to that next level. It’s money the auto industry would want a slice of the pie if there was actually big money to be made reproducing their bodies.
Thanks for the info
I'm new to this hobby, can you recommend some professional suppliers? Thank You!
+Heath Lawson What are you looking for ?
I'm looking for all kinds of things from decals to supplement parts, I build all kinds of models from planes, cars, boats, space ships.
All kinds of wonderful models, I'm hoping to find a sailing ship at some point.
Heath Lawson For an overall prospective , I would go to rocket fin.com For your car models , Slixx decals pretty much covers your drag racing needs . Detail Masters , Model Car Garage , Pro Tech , and Machined Aluminum Specialties covers your wire , fittings , and photo etch parts . The afore mentioned site will cover all the rest of the modeling spectrum .
Thank you
Well said brother
People have been doing that for 25+ years lol... What's so special about this one? Always do your due diligence.
That's so true. Well said Donn.
True so True it takes hours of a man's life to produce an art piece.
Well said
welcome to the real world mate. . its not a thief. he purchased it. he owns that body can do what he wants to it or re produce it as well. . scann it re print it or resin it. for half the cost of what your mates want for his. . anyone can print this shit mate. . welcome to life. i also do the same thing. copy them.
Well said Don
Gap Hill Speed shop CPMCC i
Philip Hutchinson yes?
I know this is old. But I just bought one of eBay just recently and I’m very satisfied with what I received.
Yeah makes you think how many other good resin makers are getting copped on , Looks like jimmy flintstone resin bodies does good work, I see his work on eBay & Here on CZcams .
😂 so here we have advertising
Anyone involved in the "aftermarket" for model car parts needs to first realize this is a market that has a very low bar to entry, meaning it's very easy and cheap for anyone these days to produce and sell a product (this is actually also true for a lot of high tech companies these days, the automotive model car aftermarket is not unique in this case). In order to combat this problem, reputable firms have to figure out ways to make their products and their companies too unique and difficult to easily reproduce. Really good resin casted products are tuff to rip off, and so is really good customer service, but unfortunately just having a high quality product simply isn't enough either, the company has to have a strong market presence. Most aftermarket companies have really generic products and by definition that means they are a dime a dozen, but if you craft your business to have a clear, unique market presence with high quality products AND you are sufficiently capitalized you should do okay. Scale Motorsport has been in this market for 23 years now and we've seen and faced it all and one of the key market characteristics we picked up on in the early years was that many people (not all) who build American muscle and historic street cars are very, very frugal to put it politely, if they can save a dollar, even if it means buying crap, they will. And you know what, that's perfectly okay, because if you are running a reputable company with great products you don't want those type of customers anyway. So keep your nose to the grindstone, focus on what you love and do best, don't make customers you don't want or need, the focus of your business, focus on the needs of the customers that make your business great.
You're EXACTLY right! These people, true Craftsmen, aren't doing this to get rich...they do it because of the love they have for the hobby.
I agree the worker is worth his hire and this is stealing from hard working people....thanks I'll make sure I buy from the right people and call out these jerks out!