Rose Namajunas did NOT want to fight?
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2022
- Chael Sonnen talks did Rose Namajunas vs Carla Esparza on this episode of Beyond the Fight
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“I’m the best.” She was clearly talking about Chael and not herself. Undefeated undisputed.
I always cringe when she says that and after that performance I can’t lie will probably never watch a Rose fight ever again
@@Amzyy yeah idk, everyone seems to love her, personally I just don’t really like her personality, seems like she has no soul
Lol underated comment
@@Amzyy I love when she does that. She is or atleast feels so very genuine to me. Its like she has to convince herself she is the best, because she cant seem to accept it. I think her fight is always in her head, she lost to esparza before, and this is the peformance she put on. Look at what she did to the zhang weili. That is when she is confident :)
Ur hilarious bro
Rose got Esparza the best wedding gift a clean face and a belt she’s too generous
Its kinda dumb no to plan ur wedding after ur fight? Imagine going there with a Joanna hematoma
LoL
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Damn Right ✅ 👌🏿 😂🤣🤣
@Trippy SZN stop
The worst attitude a champion can have is "if I play safe, they have to take it from me". You dont win points for defense, you win by aggression. Rose was clearly delusional even after the fight.
It really doesn't work in any sport. If you try to be too careful on a big wave, that's when you wipe out.
@@drivebyquipper being careful won floyd 50 rings
@@johnmarkson1998 emphasize on 'too careful'
Well she's got Pat Barry in her ear 24/7. That certainly isn't helping 🤣
@@johnmarkson1998 wrong sport
Tony woke up saw the rose v Esparza fight and went back to sleep 😴
👍🏻😆😂
Fact Check : False, Tony Ferguson and his soul were still trapped in the Shadow Realm at the time of their fight
Rose’s corner like, “you hear those boo’s? It means the plan is working.” Was the plan to make me get up and go wash dishes instead of finishing the fight? Cause that’s what happened
😂😂
Not her corner, her BF. She largely IGNORED the world class coach in her corner that whole fight, and let her bf and his lack of confidence in her, which lead to that dumb fucking plan, dictate the entire fight, and she paid for that betrayal with her world championship. Pat Barry, 100% cost Rose that fight. No one wants to offend her and say that, but its 1000% the TRUTH. Plain as day.
@@masterkane5340Ohhhh I didn’t realize him being her boyfriend made him not part of her corner.
Lololllll
true. lol, I spent the rest of the fight painting. I turned around for the others not doubt, but I basically listened to Rogan an d Cormier get more and more frustrated as to how to commentate on a dance piece, while Anik remained as neutral as preofessionally possible
I was in the crowd for this fight.. we were all astonished. The most embarrassing moment for Rose and the UFC was Rose at the end of the fight pounding her chest and throwing Carla an aggressive bro hug like they just had a banger while the crowd boo’d as loud as possible
Was so cringe. Roses post fight made me lose all respect for her. She's now Slug Rose to me. Lazy and unworthy
That is why Dana and the UFC didn't want to make this fight. They knew it was going to be a boring cringefest
Rose thought the boos were ghosts & spent the entire 5 rounds chasing them.
@@DeathmetalPersian slug Rose
@@DeathmetalPersian You lose all respect for someone for one fight? I can understand being disappointed, but to "lose all respect" seems like an over exaggeration.
Never seen a loved fighter’s stock go down as quickly as this lol
I was thinking about the Lewis vs Francis fight where it was boring because Lewis blew his back out in the 1st round landing body kicks. I was thinking maybe Rose was injured. Nope. Afterwards she made it worse by saying her plan worked and she thought she deserved to win. Then said that the fans booing was for Carla and not her.... I'm now an ex-fan.
Rose's post fight press conference made me an ex-fan. Not only was she not injured, she talked like her plan worked and she deserved to win. Then she said the crowd booing was for Carla, not her. Rose fooled us. She's not who we thought she was.
How so? Rose to me has been an immensely talented fighter that wrestles with head game. Like GSP but even more so. Way I see it that’s what fouled her up in the bout. Could have won handedly it seems but head didn’t understand the scene.
ThIs BeLt DoNt MeN nOtHiNg MaN’🤡
People say stupid stuff when they're embarrassed. If i stopped liking every athlete who made excuses my list would be down to only the undefeated ones. It's her tenacity and technique that made me a fan(her vulnerability didn't hurt either). I never understand the concept of blind loyalty so don't get me wrong. She's going to have to prove herself. I was happy when she got the loss because she needed the wake up call that you can't land under 30 strikes run the whole fight and be rewarded. Every one has bad performances but I think if you were a fan you should stick it out and watch how she grows from this. I think she needs to become her own person and stop fully relying on that dysfunctional corner of hers that dropped the ball Saturday.
@@surtrpicks She could have easily won, no doubt. Coulda woulda shoulda... Instead she ran away and shadow boxed. I've never seen a worse UFC fight, and I've watched them all since 1993. Have you ever seen so many punches thrown from 10 feet away from each other?!
@@shanetaylor761 It wasn't just the excuses. It was the total lack of self awareness and total self centered attitude. You must not have watched the post fight press conference. It's bad. It made the fight 10x worse.
Rose ACTUALLY ran away. Not defense. Not head movement. Not footwork. Not counter punching. Nothing like Floyd 😂😂😂
And Rose totally refused to engage. Nice try Chael
But adesanya does it and everyone praises him.. weird
@@gymsocks7579 You've created a strawman, brother; everyone shat on him for that Yoel performance lol.
@@gymsocks7579 stop the misdirection. This fight sucked, and Rose’s “game plan” was terrible. If this was even “her plan.”
@dead man clearly we live in different echo chambers if we different everybodies.
Chael, Carla beat Rose twice. That wasn't the case with those other ladies that you mentioned in relation to Rose. You lose against someone twice, where the first one was a tap and the second one was a stinker, and that is why Rose doesn't get the support for an immediate rematch. She killed herself on this one. This was a layup, but mentally she made a mountain out of a molehill.
Hey Chael ... Jean Baptiste at the top of these comments answered your "How come?" question!!!
"Layup" damn lol, everyone hates the Cookie Monster.
I called it being a close split decision with Carla winning (both fighters have a knack for split decisioning). Granted, I didn't think it would turn out like that.
If you take the promo aspect out of the equation no one in that division is more deserving of the next title shot than Rose.
Seriously first Pena and now Carla. Your belt is never secure.
@@Boss_Scaggz Joanna or Wei Lee, one of them is going to destroy Carla. Carla just seems to be Rose's kryptonite.
It blows my mind that a huge majority of people not only saw her fighting a historically bad fight but recognized she was losing. Meanwhile the people who guide her through the blood sweat and tears of training are so willing to blow smoke up her a$$. I really don't understand it. It's like her and her team were in a rose colored bubble the whole time.
Dont eat the golden goose
Roses coaches were a disgrace gassing her up every round when it was obvious she was losing
My wife and I couldn't believe the yes man corner of her man and Trevor Whitmann.
I texted my buddy at the end of the 4th Round that Carla was winning the fight with those half-hearted takedown attempts. Carla had the center of the octagon and was chasing. When there's no effective striking or grappling, it comes down to Octagon Aggression.
Maybe mentally they knew Rose needs positive feedback. Maybe they know her better than you.
It was the most underwhelming fight I’ve seen in the UFC. They should have been paying us to have to watch it instead.
Bro I was at this fight and the crowd was having more fun doing the wave then watching this fight. Not joking.
@Soul ByThePound I dont think any Championship fight ever has been such a dud. Rose lost from not engaging out of fear.
yeah, i want a refund. oh, wait, i wasn't there. well, i want a refund anyway for the waste of electricity while watching it on youtube.
Saving you 10 minutes: No rose did not come to fight, she ran the whole time. There ya go folks.
Good looks 👌
Thanks.
Fantastic. Still gonna watch uncle Chael tho, he simply says it better
Thanks
So he gave excuses for her thanks g good looking
I illegally streamed that fight and I still want my money back
Best comment! 🏆
I want my data usage back..
What got me was at the end of the fight when Rose took Carla down & then the buzzer went off & Rose jumped up in the air like she did when she knocked out Weili like she had won the damn fight & had knocked Carla out! Pat needed to shut up between rounds & let Trevor just talk to her! Pat had her thinking the crowd was booing Carla & everything was going great!! Lol
What do you expect from a groomer? Sorry I mean her coach/fiancé
@@n_maldo7567 literally. That entire dynamic is gross af. She was super young when he met her too 😷
Trevor Whitman is her coach. He just won "Coach of the Year". His advice was even worse.
I agree pat needs to stay as a husband not a coach. He lost that fight for Rose.
@@RonniePTexan 'Just have fun'
Whatever that co main event was, it was a complete disgrace. There was literally no effort from either fighter. But at least Carla went for a couple takedowns.
Yea about the only other thing I could say is, Carla was atleast trying to move forward, or holding center of octagon. Rose was happy bouncing around and back pedaling.
@@utastegood3353 There was a lot of that going around.
Yeah, there was a couple a weak takedown attempts that didn't go well. The position was reversed which almost nullifies the effort completely. I think Rose connected a couple of times. It was a draw.
That was worse than Francis vs Black Beast
@@drivebyquipper This. Plodding forward, whiffing shots, and missing 9 out of 11 takedowns (and doing absolutely nothing with the ones you did score -- which completely nullifies them according to the rules of MMA) isn't any better (or worse) than what Rose did.
You’re being too generous Chael. Rose’s performance was shit. And for her to say that was the game plan makes it even worse.
It was her BF gameplan he admitted as much. She ignored her world class coach for 5 rds, took her bf advice as gospel and it cost her the fight. Pat Barry, cost Rose that fight. Ultimately, her trust in Pat Barry, and not her coach, cost her that fight. Groomers tend to hold that power over their "victims" its called Stockholm Syndrome, and it jus manifest in the worst place and worst possible way for Rose to cost her a world title.
@@masterkane5340 say all u want, she pays for the coach to ‘coach’ her. he too scared to talk. and definitely divorce pat
@@beaualIoevv He was too scared to offend Pat and her. I agree 100%, and he's her coach, he shouldnt have to, or want to pussyfoot around her bf in her corner and fight to get her attention. Boils down to she disregarded the world class coach in her corner in favor of her BF, and it cost her the title.
Carla's performance was shit too
And Carla was somehow not shit? At least Rose threw some punches. Carla just dove for takedowns and all were stuffed...should have been a Rose win or a draw.
Because at the post presser she defended her performance instead of being sorry. If you're indignant about a performance like that, then you might just do it again.
This. Exactly.
And then Carla gets on with Ariel Helwani Monday and also defends her performance like she actually did something. Both of them are idiots.
But when adesanya does its Romero fault because he didn't come take it from izzy. But people are saying rose is the champ, she's gotta "bring the fight to carla". Dumbest thing I've ever heard
@@hugep10 People also slated Izzy for it as well, even then though at least it was more understandable. Romero hit him hard early to cause that concern, these 2 literally stood there for over 20 minutes of the fight and threw nothing.
She might have to rewatch everything including her press conference to see this though. In the heat of the moment she might keep the same energy. Hopefully she learns something, and I’m confident she will
It was the worst fight ever, I was really disappointed with Rose for the first time and even worst was the post fight conference.
Rose was Delusional at the post presser! %45 Rose fault , %45 Pedo Pat Berry fault & %10 Coach Trevor fault for not Speaking up Louder!!!
i dont think the post fight presser was THAT bad. She def didnt have the proper read of the room at the time thinking the fans were only booing Carla, judges messed up etc, but it wasnt that bad where Rose went off whining blaming everyone etc. She just misread how others were seeing the fight, and she owned it the day after. If anything i now hope she isnt being TOO hard on herself based on her post of her saying she was a shitty person for how she reacted
She had a terrible fight and lacked awareness of how the fight played out to the audience. It was disappointing but id just say to make sure we all keep perspective of how respectful and how much great sportsmanship she has always shown to not overreact to a bad night/moment.
Plus as a fighter shes always been an entertaining draw. This was a dud. Almost every fighter has them (Usman toe stomping Masvidal for 5 rds the first fight was a bore, Ngannou has a couple of the worst HW fights ever, GSP def has some snoozers, Izzy has more than a couple duds, etc)
@@Rowsy91 izzy doesn't have anything nearly as bad as this.
When you have the worst title fight in recent history, you can't "run it back", ever. It's done. It wasn't even a title fight but Francis vs Derrick Lewis 2, will never happen because of how bad the 1st fight was. Hollywood doesn't make a sequel to the worst movie you've ever seen -- Battlefield Earth 2 doesn't exist, a restaurant that's terrible and gave a bunch of people food poisoning doesn't get to immediately open a new restaurant. Rose-Esparza 3 is a fight that nobody wants, not anytime soon, not ever.
Not only that but she's 0-2 now
Rose might not be Carla's next fight, but Roses next fight should still be for the title. Rose is for sure still the #1 contender in that division.
@@lifesajoke6965 lol so how’s that work
@@lifesajoke6965 lmao not even close, dana basically confirmed that weili-joanna is for the #1 contender
sharknado
Rose needed a little time to realize she messed up, and she owned it the next day. Respect. She's clearly under the heavy influence of Pat Barry, his "coaching" was miserable
you shouldnt have some grooming peido pos simp yes man as your coach
she was in denial and still is. she has mental health issues
I think she's gonna fire her coach
@@scottsetzke7967 She definitely isn't firing Trevor, and Pat (her other corner) is her husband. I'd like to see the latter take a step back, Trevor does much better.
What did she say the next day? I only saw the post fight conference where she kept saying she won.
Daily reminder Rose was 14 when Pat got her. Totally weird. Nobodys head can be right behind that.
Facts, can only go só far while being coached by someone who tryn to fuck you
Ah yes the elephant in the room finally this is addressed. Why is this stuff not talked about more? It’s fucking weird and totally not normal
@@blackout2430 yeah man it’s weird how everyone just ignores it in the mma community…
Pat "The Groomer" Barry.
I now pronounce you groomer and wife
Nobody wants to see the rematch and she doesn't deserve one.
I wish I could have seen someone like Khamzat's real time reaction to that fight. I bet it would be hilarious. I watched Izzy's reaction to 274 and he fell asleep during this fight, super funny.
Khamzat only watches Darren till’s fights.
It was as boring as izzy v yoel and most of his other fights izzy is boring af
@@whoozworldizthis4221 Izzys bro called him out on the Romero fight lmaoo
@@whoozworldizthis4221 Ayo do not compare these two fights. Please rewatch both then come back
@@whoozworldizthis4221 there was more action in the first round of Izzy v Yoel than 5 rounds of that shit we saw
That's why iv always liked Joanna as one of my fav female fighters her and Valentina always entertain. I get athletes obviously are trying to prolong their careers but as a fan I appreciate when athletes dig in and put their lives on the line for a show.
The crowd should’ve thrown their beers at that rose corner didn’t even pay for the pay per view and I still felt robbed
No.
If they were in Mexico, we might've seen it.
I honestly felt it wasn’t her fault alone. Her corner should have told her that since she got taken down, she needs to be way more active to get the round back or get the next few rounds and prevent the stupid loss. When fighters are in the fight, they don’t necessarily read the scene well. The coaches are supposed to make it clear whether or not the fight is close.
We could all see it was Pat Barry dictating her actions ultimately between rounds, He cost her that fight, Its SOLELY his fault, unless u fault her for ignoring the advice of her world class coach, in favor of her dumb ass bf's game plan.
At the end of the day if you’re at the pro level do you really need a damn corner to tell you that you suck? No. Get females out of the sport.
few rounds? how many?
She knew
Not coaches, it was her pedo boyfriend pat Barry who was telling her she was doing well.... Trevoh was telling her to pick up the pace and start throwing more
Her goofy Husband and even the great Trevor Wittman did her a legendary disservice with the cornering and overall approach to this contest.
The crowd goes from one of the most unexpected knockouts with Chandler / Tony to that frustrating lack of action.
Had to add to their frustration i wonder if in the building that affected the judges round by round score at all ? Potentially taking away some of the benefit of the doubt for the playing it safe strategy Rose was so proud of.
That was all Pat Berry, Trevor actually gave her strategy of how to counter Carla's attacks, Pat was telling her she's doing okay and the crowd is boo'ing Carla. Rose even repeated what Pat said during her post-fight interview.
trevor tried to say something but the groomer spoke over him XD his only fault was not telling him to stfu
Trevor wittman actually tried and he's also not the head coach just the striking coach. Its pat who kept blowing smoke up her ass the entire time
@@andrzejgolota6642 doesn’t matter, she pays for him to be her coach, he can say something. if not then he’s a coward. should divorce him and fire the coach
They’re not married. He asked her to marry him 8 years ago and he still hasn’t gone through with it. Stringing her along much?
Pat “The Groomer” Barry’s pimp hand is STRONG over both Rose and cuckolded “Head Coach” Trevor Whitman.
a part of Rose’s strategy was good, carla couldnt get any takedowns but all Rose had to do was throwing just a little more and wouldve won that
Shadow boxing while standing 10 feet away from each other was pathetic...
@Trippy SZN from what I remember rose had the only "official" takedown.....
@@MrMancreatedgod I don't know what they're referring to as official on the broadcast, but it's listed as two takedowns on their official stat provider. The rules state that 'It shall be noted that a successful takedown is not merely a changing of position, but the establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown.' So according to that, Carla's shouldn't have counted, and I guess neither should Rose's.
Carla had 3 takedowns and multiple counters rose had one takedown and 3-5 more strikes rose was scared of the wrestling and Carla was scared to rush because rose would pick her apart horrible fight to watch for us fans no one can argue that 😂 wrestling is too strong been around for thousands of years
Make the rematch part 3 Lol. It would be the ultimate troll LMFAO 🤣💀
That's funny 🤣
NO having them do a season of The Ultimate Fighter before they have a rematch would be the ultimate TROLL... LMAO
Keep it off the main card, no problem. Or a fight night.
@@MrMalicious5 they can make it like a Facebook prelim not even air it or show it for free on CZcams like they used to do with the Facebook prelims they also aired those on CZcams. LoL
Funny thing Stephen Wonderboy Thompson's first fight in the UFC was on a Facebook prelim. SMH
I was a Rose fan before this fight but when she said she did not want to mess up her face and run away for the whole fight made me angry. Not ready to fight, RETIRE! Fans do not want to see a technical fight; they want to see a real fight! In what world do you leave it up to the judges! Rose thought they were booing Carla, is she Nuts!
The most unfortunate thing about this is that it was CLEAR AS DAY that Rose was a FAR superior fighter and allowed herself to not perform like it. Still baffled by her teams game plan. No doubt she bounces back and gets the belt back soon if she just fights the way she knows and should.
This was my exact thought! After 2nd is was clear as day that Carla couldn’t hold her down. And still nothing happened. Truly baffeling performance from her & her corner.
Pat is a clout chaser. She's excelled in spite of him. If you've seen her media over the years he always walks by or interrupts the interview in some way for attention. When they said he was taking over HC duties, I thought, oh no. First fight with Weili ended too quick for him to ruin. Weili rematch coach talk time was 50/50 in between rounds. He started, then Trevor, then he kept trying to jump back in but Whitman held his ground. This time, you saw, he maximized his TV time in between rounds with trash and Trevor had time to say almost nothing. Don't forget this clown was brought into a Lesnar training camp and fired right away for passing out drunk and no showing practice. Impressive that he kept two MMA careers from reaching their potential. A shame that's not illegal.
Yea we’re not gonna give her the same push cuz she doesn’t deserve it. She’s lost to Carla TWICE! 2-0 Carla. And Rose isn’t the best, she has high peaks and deep lows. She wins in amazing fashion and also loses in terrible fashion. Also don’t compare Rose to Floyd 😂😂😂 that’s just trash
@dead man You really count winging out half assed shots and feinting the whole fight as "attempting more strikes"? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MrSFblack 1/1 looks a lot better than 2/11
It almost feels like she is being forced to fight at this point. Not sure if it's just insecurity, expectation, or just not wanting to be injured. But that wasn't a champion fighting on Saturday.
How much is Pat Barry living his faded career through Rose?
i just loved listening to the commentary team try to invent material to talk about during the match lol
I kept seeing the crazy headkick combo that I swear was there for Rose...what happened to the supreme speed and crispness from the last 2 fights?
Gentlewoman's agreement. It's unlikely Rose will fight Andrade, Zhang, or Joanna. Rose gave the title without damaging Carla's face and they probably had the idea they'd run it back for Part 3. Either that or Rose needs to stop listening to her S.O.
I don't see it happening.
Best wedding gift ever?
It was there. She dominated on her feet. She stuffed take downs. She git taken down 1 time and rolled out of it and popped right back up. The problem is that despite all that, she still ran away and refused to throw strikes. Or at least non-shadow boxing strikes. They both threw a ton of strikes while they were 10 feet apart. Best shadow boxing fight ever. Worst UFC fight in history.
@@kingomar69 Trevor Whitman just won "Coach of the Year". That award needs to be stripped.
@@RonniePTexan thay and Pat "The Groomer" Barry needs to stop giving Rose advice.
Did everyone forget pat dummy saying “you hear those boos? You’re doing it right.” As much of a fool he is, that was their game plan done on purpose. Rose wanted to frustrate Carla into rushing and making a mistake and she didn’t. She chose to do that, lost and no one wants to see it happen again, simple. Don’t blame the audience for something she planned to do, did and stuck to.
She scurried away faster than Khabib
Man.
He still lives in your heads. Rent free. I love it.
@@1994mrmysteryman no doubt haha the Khabib and Conor haters are bad lol they either comment some shit about Khabib not fighting good opponents or Mctapper on shit completely unrelated to the two
@@bubsterjohnson7438 and you two still added fuel to fire by also talking about Conman McGregor and Kebab
@@reth4761 i mean were talking about it cuz that dude brought it up were not actively shittalking them you tool i was just saying ppl bring them up all the time
Didn't Carla beat her twice now
Her demise was the people around her, especially her bf for allowing her to get into this unbelievable mindset and becoming a shadow of her former self.
How has Chael been involved in fighting for this long without knowing the MMA scoring rules?
Aggression beats ring control. Carla's takedown attempts, failed or not, count as aggression, which won her those rounds.
First round should have been scored 10-10, I'm surprised not a single judge scored it that, but the round was dead even. Second round should have been 10-9 for Esparza, as she landed more strikes (4-3) and attempted a takedown. Third round should have been scored 10-10 as well (Rose held the edge on strikes, but Esparza had a stuffed takedown attempt). Fourth round should have been 10-9 for Esparza based on scoring two takedowns. Fifth round was definitely 10-9 for Rose based on striking and the only takedown that had any control time. I'd call it 48-49 for Esparza, but since the judges opted to just coin-toss rounds 1 and 3 rather than give a 10-10, we got a split decision win for Esparza. I still think that the right fighter won in the end.
But that was an awful fight. Personally I'd blame the coaches at least as much as the fighters. Both sets of coaches kept insisting their fighter was doing just fine and was sticking to the game plan throughout the whole fight. Either they were watching a completely different fight, or their game plans were both absolute trash. "Stand back and do nothing" is hardly a game plan to win a title fight, challenger or defender. Normally, "you have to beat the champ to become the champ" holds true, but in Rose's case, you have to actually fight to retain a title. If she'd fought and the rounds were close, I think the judges would have given it to Rose simply because she's the champ, but they're not going to reward timidity, and I half think the majority gave the toss-up rounds to Esparza simply because they were unimpressed with Rose's idea of a "championship defense".
Great comment. Thanks for writing all that out.
first round was clearly for carla - not because she did anything, but because she stood in the middle of the octagon while rose bounced around. if we don't have punches, if we don't have aggression, if we don't have anything, then we have ring control, which is literally standing in the middle.
Having her husband as a coach isn't that good for her because he just wanted her to play defense the whole fight
He didn't want to bring out the brown bag again that night.
Whose caoch ?
It's Trevor Whitman who just won "Coach of the Year", not her husband.
@@RonniePTexan her husband is her head coach. he was running the corner.
It was a bad match up for both of them, Carla was hesitant of roses hands and rose was hesitant of Carla's take downs. If Carla shoots on rose it could be lights out, and if rose furrys on Carla, it could go to the ground. They were both scared of losing more than anything, that's why they didn't get close to each other. IMO
I mean…. Carla is up 2-0 in the series. Why do we need to see the immediate rematch? Joanna wasn’t getting the third fight against Rose, not until a win or two. Same with Weili. So why should Rose get that immediate shot?
She’s defended her belt multiple times is that a joke?
@@harrissr.5036 are you referring to Rose defending multiple times? The only successful defenses that Rose made were the rematches against Joanna and Weili. She lost the next title defense in each instance, against Andrade and now against Carla. So, sure, one defense in each reign does technically register as multiple defenses.
When a fight gets as bad as Rose and Carla, the ref should be able to throw a machete into the ring, for the sake of the fans. Just Sayin...
After RD 3 cover the gloves in glue and dip them in broken glass
@@phillyfoo3471 it would not have mattered in that fight
Rose team let her down I think. Between rounds Pat Berry was like just keep doing what you're doing you got this. But Trevor Whitman was like u need pick it up a little and Pat was like no just keep doing what you're doing smh. Terrible advice from Pat
Rose is so inconsistent I like her but she has amazing highs and really awful lows.
It's all Pat Barry's fault this time.
@@michaelthomas8147 shut up mate, rose shat herself no matter how you want to dress it up 🤣
It's part of her charm they say lol
she was trying SO hard to be Izzy and failed so hard.
Wym she was successful at it. Go watch Izzy vs Romero, virtually identical. Rose was better at running tho
Rose went on her IG page apologizing saying she was wrong and felt like a "piece of shit human". She even said congrats to Esparza. Cut her some slack. One bad night at the office and one post interview she Cleary regrets and apologized for..People gonna act like she hasn't gave fans crazy performances.
Ufc fans are the worst
No, she thought she deserved to be champion by way of default, by not fighting. Its a fight. Fights arent won by not fighting. It was an arrogant attitude afterwards that turned me completely off.
dont care. she did what she did. lets see the other women of the division.
9:40 .....I love how Chael puts things... it's like well, when you put it like that Chael- hey, wait a minute!
you mentioned 1. damage 2. control. And you also mentioned that there either one seem to be in control. Which i disagree, I only watched the first 1.5 round and i switched it off but from what I've seen Carla was the advancing one. And rose was retreating and evading. So id give carla those 2 rounds
I can totally see Zhang Weili working her way into the championship and fighting rose again.
Rose dropped the ball.
I heard Pat say “You hear the boos? It’s cause you’re doing great!” In whose right fucking mind do ‘boos’ correlate with a anything resembling something close to ‘good.’
Uncle Chael want us to believe he saw the judges for the 2 first rounds, but miraculously didnt see the 3 other rounds? lol
Also, the rules are pretty clear... As he said, rounds go to who made the most damage, and IF the damages are the same, THEN you go to cage control to decide who won the round, and IF cage control is the same, THEN you look at who were the most agressive. By those 3 steps, there is of course no way to give a draw. As no damages were done, cage control and agressivity, even by a slice, were enough to win the rounds.
Rose never wants to fight, she likes practicing MA and she's bad ass so the people around her steered her towards a career in MMA. She clearly doesn't like fighting, she's typically an emotional wreck before and after every match. She's even had to bring her emotional support dog in the octagon. Honestly she's probably the most talented girl in the division and that says a lot, but she's not anywhere near the same level in terms of her confidence and mental strength. Rose is walking around trying to convince herself "I'm the best." Other top contenders actually believe it.
Yeah her mental isn't champ level
Her talent definitely is
But maybe this is a wake up call for her
I know alot of people are criticizing her and hopefully she realizes where she was wrong in the fight and the post fight press conference
She's come back plenty of times, i wouldnt be surprised if she became champ again
However with that being said...... a rematch of that fight isn't in the best interest of the UFC because it was mad boring
A rematch isn't deserved for Rose, at least not next for title contention
Agree 100%
I think Chael sometimes forgets fights within a day of watching. Think this was “2 inches away from an entertaining fight” is just not true. They had 6ft social distancing implemented for 20/25 minutes
Very insightful and great food for thought! Thanks Chael!
Fight to make is gsp vs Conor. It would be huge and gsp just said he thinks he can beat him. That’s usually all Conor needs to call someone out. That would sell more ppv than any fight ever.
That fight hit me like a heavy dose of propofol
I wouldn’t pay to watch that rematch. I think a lot of people feel the same way and the UFC knows that.
I’m not advocating for rose unless she ditches the groomer who told her the booing meant she was winning.
Would it be unfair to say Trevor Whitman did not have his fighters prepared properly as it pertains to game plans ?
When you run it back! (Always go to 1987, Chael!) Marvelous Marvin vs Sugar ray! That Gdam bout!!!! When Sugar stole it, late! He just took it!!! That wasn't Marvin's game! Wanted to bust people up; didn't want to wear glitter & dance! My dad hated that night. He LOVED Hagler! (Sorry, guys, if I'm misspelling Marvin's name!) People interested in boxing, should watch that contest! Sugar was a purest! Orthodox; ( you're a lefty' Chael 😉! ) But Sugar, I swear, was the most immaculate striker I've ever seen!!!! That kid could knock a shadow off a cloudy day!!! Watch his Olympic footage! 💪🥊 🏆
“I’ve seen contests where one guy runs away. As a matter of fact I’ve seen 50 of them, guy named Floyd mayweather” had me dead at 1am 🤣🤣 chael needs to do stand up or something
I think it was so astounding that she did absolutely nothing, that whatever happened behind the scenes must be so big to make her fight the way she did that she's not able to talk about it. Leads me to believe that she was approached by powers larger than ufc to throw the fight. Maybe draftkings paid her off, and she didn't know how to play it out in a way that made it look believable so she just didn't fight. I know that's a crazy conspiracy, but what other factors would lead her NOT to fight in a championship fight, and then LIE about it afterwards..... And Carla act that same way, and then ONLY make a big move at the VERY END, that Rose accepted.. to make sure she got the title.
It's clear as day to me. Only because I've had these suspicions about this sport for a while.
Interesting and well put 🧐🤔
Agreed but Rose got lucky on the card in the 2nd Zhang fight. I was in MSG and I was stunned she won that fight.
rose should be punished for that performance. she lost all her cred. the delusional comments post fight, the not wanting to fight. admitting that she didnt. not interested in seeing her in any big card positions or title shots. save that for the ladies that go to war every fight like andrade, weili, joanna, marina etc
What will you say when they have a lackluster fight ? As this was roses only one. Fickle fickle fickle
@@hugep10 its not just the lackluster fight. Its the body language after the fight, celebrating like she just knocked her out, when the paying customers were all booing because of how bad it was. Then saying she didnt wanna mess up her face? Nah. Get her outta here.
The reason she won't get a rematch or the next title shot for that strap is because the ufc knows Carla won't beat anyone else of the top contenders in the weight class. She will get absolutely murked by joanna and weilei
So you kill two birds with one stone, rose gets her title shot in her next fight, and it won't be with carla.
My main takeaway from this fight is Carla isn’t getting nearly enough shit for how the fight went.
My recollection was that Pat was telling her she was doing great. Trevor was saying that she needed to work. I think the 2 guys in the corner were on different pages.
Carla beat Rose twice, and both times the championship was on the line. I don’t get where this whole “rematch” is coming from, she just rematched Carla and performed worse the second time around
Chael is one of the few people I've ever known who can talk for 10 minutes straight without ever saying anything of substance. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Chael Sonnen... the king of bullshit!
i never get the point of what he is saying. he should have went into comedy, since he was so good at it when in the ufc.
They could do that re-match this weekend, noone got hurt, they're in shape now, let's go.
If we are ignoring the Match, I would argue that Rose has lost to Carla twice now, so there is very little argument there for a rematch, Rose beat Joanna and Weili Once, when she beat them the second time that argument is done, I feel its the same here just over a much longer time frame
I don't really like Rose. I don't understand the hype..
Pat Barry should have shut up and let Trevor do the talking
The only thing more solid than Chael's undefeated, undisputed record is Rose's mental game and corner advice from "Coach" Pat.
Seemed to me rose was scared to engage
Aljo sterling showed that you could do absolutely nothing and win the belt and that has destroyed the UFC. Expect more of this nonsense going forward until fighters are cut from the roster even if they "win"
Aljoke is the first fighter to win a title by just keeping his legs wrapped around another man.
It was fixed, she literally threw her off of her like a kid trying to wrestle an adult and went back to bobbing and weaving like Robbie lawler did when he had no answer for the 525 punches Colby Covington landed on him, A fucking disgrace, she knew EXACTLY what she was doing, the question is why.,..
Good point. Rose was stuffing the take downs, and the one time she got taken down she rolled right out of it and popped right back up like you said. Then she went back to running away as if she was fighting against Khabib.
I can't answer why.. but I'm sorry.. Rose was way faster and stronger... Don't give me the she was scared bit.. she knocked out a monster...and ran from someone she was clearly superior to....something is up.
@@b00stedrust that is exactly what baffled me. It was incredibly clear how superior rose was in almost every way to Carla, rose could’ve done whatever she wanted to Carla. She showed that Carla wouldn’t be able to take her down, that even if she did she could get out of it no problem, she could land whatever strikes she wanted but it all came down to the fact that she just didn’t do anything
@@redsballer1904 yeah... People talking about it's her bfs fault are delusional.. Rose decided to do what she did . Not Pat..Rose didn't fight because of her..why...is what has me like what the fuck.....money? Political? She's white...carla isnt....she Wants out if the fight game? I don't know..but its not because she lost the fight... She knew what she was doing.. and it's deeply concerning
@Trippy SZN man I can't even say why... I'm shocked...and disappointed...and wondering..is this like wwe now? Jan losing to a clearly lesser fighter and I'm a fan of both the old man and Jan...but c'mon......Now rose....and many others that just looked fixed...or coerced..
Rose Carla 2 made Lewis ngannnou look like an all time classic
I love rose as a fighter but the post interview was painful. She straight up said I don't need to put a show every time and there's no need to mess up her face. In so many ways she just told us to put her in the prelims. I know she was just emotional though and probably just repeating what her coaches/boy friend are telling her.
She’s not gonna get the shot cuz the fight was boring .
Never got the hype. Her previous two fights were a fluke(but deserved w) and a robbery victory (thanks judges)
second fight was damn close, but that first was no "fluke".
By your logic, Chandler knocking out Tony is also a fluke
@@reth4761 now that was a fluke because that's the first time I seen Michael Chandler throw a kick above the waist in the UFC
@@reth4761 he said it was a fluke himself. "I can't believe that worked"
First 2:30 is genius. I never even questioned why Rose had to refight JJ/Weili immediately. Different booking and a mix of fights. Double fights against Andrade as well. It's tough a the top
Rose literally had tears in her eyes as she was getting announced, surprised Chael hasn't mentioned this.
In Adesanya v Romero where almost nothing happened, the justification for Adesanya winning was in the lines of "To be the champ, you have to beat the champ". I felt in that one Adesanya spent most of the fight running away, but the blame by the media and Dana fell almost entirely on Romero. Why as the Rose fight the other way around? I think just because the results are so controversial, they should run it back. Rose has earned the courtesy - Like Chael said, Rose gave the champs she dethroned a second chance.
No even close to the same thing tho. It was Romero who wouldnt engage, izzy landed alot of shots from the outside, one by one, and did enuf to win against an opponent who didnt want to engage. Rose, let her dumb bf lack of confidence in her ability, dictate the whole fight, she let him push his stupid game plan that showed his lack of confidence in her, and ignored the world class coach in her corner, and THAT cost her the fight. She did nothing but run away, and carla at least tried to engage, jus couldnt, cuz Rose WAS the better fighter, she jus wouldnt fight bcuz her bf told her not to.
adesanya was throwin leg kicks at least
Sol Aries I 100% agree. I've been saying this exact same thing. And for some reason it's falling on deaf ears.
Pat Barry has her on a leash
Kimbo vs Houston Alexander was about the same, except for a few very brief moments.
I was baffled by the match.. thats right..
Also I knew why rose chose this style.
Also I knew, that her team should adress it in round 3 ad she should go for it..
She always wanted to get out of there asap, she is a groomed puppet.
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After "damage" which is really effective striking and grappling, you would go to effective aggressiveness ONLY if striking and grappling is 100% even. Then if aggressiveness is 100% even you go to fighting area (octagon) control.
So what if it was against arianne carnelossi, her only loss at 115 is Jessica penne, loopy godniez is a dominant wrestler and I think we get arman tsaryukyan vs Islam in the womens division. As someone who trained with her in highschool, the woman is iron you can feel it in both her and her sisters, one of whom, Karla, is a multi time ncaa champ, just for the possibility of a wild match let’s get Esparza vs godinez, Chael if you see this shout her out!
Loopy is badass. If she performs as consistently as she did on Saturday, strawweight has another dark horse on its hands (the other being Amanda Lemos).
She lost cause of her corner
Trevor Whitman needs to be stripped of the "Coach of the Year" award. But to be fair, Rose had 50 chances to land punches and instead of trying, she ran.
negative. It was thrown.
Her “boyfriend” is the problem. She clearly needs to find her self
I swear I thought the back of Chael's chair was me seeing double. Blends with his shirt.
Could be right. They didn't give Rose an instant rematch against Andrade, also it would have been 0-2.
However, if it was an instant classic or a 1 hit KO for Carla to win I suspect Rose would be the next title defense with 1 win or just a wait your turn at the very least if not an instant rematch.
The problem is even if Rose and Carla both go on 9-0 win streaks, all dominant, against everybody else in the top 10 and it's 3 years later I doubt many people will want to see them match again because of this fight.
I disagree. I think both of them refused to engage multiple times but that Rose was refusing more. I think Carla was worried about a KO and Rose was worried about a takedown that even when it happened was nothing. Either that or Rose's whole gameplan was to have a nothing fight, hope for 2 rounds to be gifted and then steal the 5th with a takedown.
If you wanted to go by damage Rose probably did more in the 1 round she actually connected, but Carla had more control of the center of the Octagon for most rounds, and more takedowns even if they did nothing. How do you score a fight where almost nothing happened? It's like a basketball game where nobody takes a shot. Whole thing should have been forfeited, belt vacated and Zhang vs. Joanna for the belt.