In this video we are going to compare these two ebike controllers fardriver vs sabvoton, and see what they have in common and what different between the two
@@E-bikeguy Hi and yes ,I think you will like learning about the Flipsky controllers,yes they are smaller,,What I would like to see The great E bike guy do is build a bike with a mid drive motor mounted on the bike,,not the pedal crank kind but like a qs mid mount motor 8000 watt or so to compare to the tomey bike,or a 3000 watt my1020 motor with a big controller...Try non hub power,also those rc outrunner motors can adapt a sprocket and Ive seen 8000 watt ones and they are very small for all that power,lots of room to mount on any bike,love all these info videos...tyvm E bike guy
I can't find one big enough. My foot scooter is 100.8v top charge 86v nom. 660amp ! It has 2 fardriver nd84530s 56kw 384 samsung 50s batteries. Is there a flippy that can do this power?? 🤔
2 dead sabvotons on my shelf and a new fardriver arriving 6-18. Your videos taught me how to program the sabs and I will rely on them again with the Fardriver. Much gratitude and respect to you!
Привет, с Украины, я тоже прошел путь от Sabvoton 72150, и заказал себе FD ND72450 для своего QS205. Хвала Господу, я успел продать Sabvoton, когда начались первые признаки неисправности с дисплеем SW900
The fardriver sounds like its got the edge over the sabvoton. Great bit of information and i did wonder which one was better for future reference. Thank you for sharing, take care and have a good day sir 😎👍
Good video my man...I'm about to start a build on a 29" large hardtail. 72 volt 3000 to 4000w. I've built some high capacity home storage lithium battery packs, so I'm going to build my own ebike pack as well. Thank you for all your wisdom with all this different equipment.
As a guy who's ran mutiples of both of these controllers I will go with the far driver every time I can't tell you how many sabotons I blown😂😂 Love this guy keep up the good work man
Thanks for the video and you where right everything that went wrong with the sabvoton controller and the LCD screen it happened to me too so I'm glad you cleared that up with everyone
I wish the fardriver controllers looked better, they look like a kid's toy compared to the sleek black/gray design of the sabvoton. I have a sabvoton 72100 on my stealth bomber clone and I made a custom wire cover for it and it looks so good.
Send me that Sabvoton. I can probably fix it unless there are giant craters in the board.. Sabvoton and Fardriver are the same company. Kelly and Votol as well. That Fardriver is a battery hog and it's probably a trapezoidal I'm just guessing. I guess I could bust out the oscilloscope and see but the way the power is applied etc seems not very much like sine FOC. Total power hog. That Sabvoton is absolutely more powerful but it requires more knowledge to setup properly. Thex72150 us rated at 450 phase, 8 have 2 of those, I think the 200 they probably rate at 600 but that's not possible because there's no such thing as a 100% efficient circuit. 90-95% that's doable. I'm just happy they use battery amps because phase amps is just a bullshit way to rate controllers. The Fardriver is potted, so if you burn up some fets have fun getting that potting off to do a repair. I have that exact Fardriver too so I'm familiar with it's power vs a 72150 and they are comparable . I haven't had a 200 yet so I can't speak to that. But that Sabvoton Isa very powerful controller, also more expensive though. You can get Fardriver 680 for under $200 on AliExpress so that's a hard deal to pass up. Noisier, yes,. Less efficient, definitely. But that's why we make big ass batteries right? I like doing all the settings, I'm a glutton for punishment I like my VESC controllers. A bazillion settings to tweak and an actual human being you can communicate with and speaks English and is still actively upgrading things and who actually uses the controllers he designs. That Fardriver is huge compared to a VESC of similar power. I have the 75300 water cooled Flipsky and that's a very powerful controller, you can make an electric jet ski with it. And it is not very big even with the integrated water block. I wouldn't want to drop it on my foot but if you drop that Fardriver on your toes a little piggy will not be going to market. Heh heh. Send me that controller, I'm near you... Sarasota. I've fixed both of mine it's probably something stupid. You say it cut off suddenly just riding normal. It might just be a wire. They use the most shit wire. I don't understand $300+ for a controller and it has aluminum wire. WTF? Weird choices they make sometimes in their efforts to make each line they brand these things under seem unrelated. You killed the Sabvoton do then you showed them by buying a Fardriver. Same company. That is their business strategy. No one in China can write a proper English set of instructions? I find that highly doubtful.
@@E-bikeguy the Sabvotons were a lot better when they were using name brand Western mosfets. All Chinese now so they are definitely less durable than even 5 years ago. At least they have Bluetooth and apps now though honestly if there's a desktop software that's usually the better choice. Accept for Fardriver, their desktop version isn't even fully translated to English. Some of these controllers are absolutely not originally intended for bicycles. The companies were dealing with OEM moped, motorcycle, scooter, and frigging golf cart manufacturers so the need to explain every little setting didn't exist . Hopefully these companies start trying a bit harder to make their products more user friendly.
Crazy not very often I read a comment on CZcams and see Sarasota in it. I've lived here my whole life. Never thought I'd find someone so close building bikes. I haven't built one yet but seriously thinking about trying.
I plan on building my own diy project i know you make your own batteries but are there any standard battery that are roughly 60v+ batteries i can just buy of tge web or Wal-Mart?
Fardriver is killing it with price performance these days. I like Kelly for the mini Kls for under 120amp because of the form factor as these are huge compared. Fardriver are also making all up to 144v nowadays their most powerful controller is something like 112v1800+ track edition that pulls 1500 battery amp iirc
Wow, that's a very power controller. You think I should go with a kelly or sav. For a 72volt 3000 to 4k build?..qs205 also... I'm thinking the savaton controller.
@@uncle.matts.ebikes depends on what voltage you’re using. I’ve heard good things about sav from their users, to be honest it’s hard to beat fardriver especially for the price. I don’t know a lot about Kelly controllers, I have a mini kls 200a and it’s good but they’re not used as often at least in the diy ebike space, I’ve seen higher voltage controllers on cars and helicopters tho It would be hard to put together a 96v system and a fardriver 96680 and beat it with a 72v S controller 150a and If you haven’t built the battery I’d look into if you’re going to benefit from 96v+
Was your sabvoton an unlocked version. Because the difference between the unlocked sabvoton and locked is bordering on ridiculous. The unlocked makes that much more power that you cannot compare the two
Another cool ass video E-bike guy!…hey any thoughts on the “NON” programable Savaton controllers?…not everyone wants to hook their e-bikes up to a computer to upgrade their hub motors…Im running a non programable 80 amp Savaton with a 2K NB power hub motor kit…🤔⚡️🚴
Can you help please? I have a fardriver, My ukc1 will not read speed. It will say 8-10mph & im doing over 20mph. Yes iv got the right wheel sizs 19" im having to use 30" as its only 7mph out compared to half speed of 19"
What’s good bro, quick question I want to purchase a juicedbike ripcurrent s from fb market but I want it to go quicker but I also want more range than 20 miles if I use the cruise which I plan to a lot what do u suggest? Haven’t seen anyone build into that bike, pretty much don’t want to petal all the time but need range and at least 45-50 max a little under is fine
Can you please explain how to connect a battery to the ring terminals? Do I just put the red o-ring on the red ring terminal and black o-ring on black ring terminal?
I'm looking to get a Fardriver pretty soon 😁 Exactly because of EBG! Question, sir, what HD road tire do you recommend.. HEB or Ultraverse? Thanks much Peace Prospector Tripp
I bought a big trip Titan e-bike 750 watt motor I want to upgrade my controller just to get more power and I don't really know what to do or what controller to get what do you recommend
Hey question does the far-driver controller work with the G50/G60 e-bike lcd screen and does the controller have the options to add blinkers and headlights?
На контроллерах больше 100А, это уже не приемущество. Синхронизовать PAS, с большой мощностью мотора Sabvoton адекватно не может. С личного опыта, использывание педального привода и помагать дросселем намного эфективней чем ждать когда PAS проснеться
Yes but you need to set MaxLineCurr to 40a until you buy a real battery. Thats what I did when I had a 60a battery, I set my Fardriver for 60a until I had a 180a battery.
@@salvadorsalvador4735, technically if you are using a Fardriver you should change the battery voltage setting and LVP setting in the controller for each pack. 52v/LVP 42v 48v/LVP 39v. The reason is regen cutout voltage is based on battery voltage setting, which prevents regen past approximately 90% full charge, before the BMS overvoltage protection kicks in. The LVP is set to get most of the juice out of the battery but turn off the controller before the BMS cuts power to the controller. It really depends on the rest of your bike. If it has a geared hub motor with internal freewheeling clutch, you can regen so you could use 52v setting for both packs, and you could probably compromise at 40v LVP setting , then you could use both packs. Before you buy any controller you should know your ultimate plans for the bike so you can get the power you need for each upgrade. Ultimately your battery, motor and controller need to match to get the designed peak performance out of them. If you have room for a second battery, you can buy an additional 48v or 52v 20ah 40a pack and run the pair in parallel with 80a Maxine current. There are Fardriver controllers that are only 45a (72200) but don’t get that one if later you want a 3000w motor.
Would love to see you get into the VESC stuff like the Go FOC300 and the Flipsky stuff. Super tiny controllers but they pack incredible power.
Same here
Ok I want to try them out
@@E-bikeguy Hi and yes ,I think you will like learning about the Flipsky controllers,yes they are smaller,,What I would like to see The great E bike guy do is build a bike with a mid drive motor mounted on the bike,,not the pedal crank kind but like a qs mid mount motor 8000 watt or so to compare to the tomey bike,or a 3000 watt my1020 motor with a big controller...Try non hub power,also those rc outrunner motors can adapt a sprocket and Ive seen 8000 watt ones and they are very small for all that power,lots of room to mount on any bike,love all these info videos...tyvm E bike guy
I can't find one big enough. My foot scooter is 100.8v top charge 86v nom. 660amp ! It has 2 fardriver nd84530s 56kw 384 samsung 50s batteries. Is there a flippy that can do this power?? 🤔
They don't stay cool and burn up compared to the FarDriver.
2 dead sabvotons on my shelf and a new fardriver arriving 6-18. Your videos taught me how to program the sabs and I will rely on them again with the Fardriver. Much gratitude and respect to you!
Привет, с Украины, я тоже прошел путь от Sabvoton 72150, и заказал себе FD ND72450 для своего QS205.
Хвала Господу, я успел продать Sabvoton, когда начались первые признаки неисправности с дисплеем SW900
No vendes tus 2 controladores malogrados? Necesito unos repuestos 😢
@@darkhorserealman i love my 450 i been hitting 70mph with it
The fardriver sounds like its got the edge over the sabvoton. Great bit of information and i did wonder which one was better for future reference. Thank you for sharing, take care and have a good day sir 😎👍
Yes the fardriver has the upper edge when it comes to performance ,
Good video my man...I'm about to start a build on a 29" large hardtail. 72 volt 3000 to 4000w. I've built some high capacity home storage lithium battery packs, so I'm going to build my own ebike pack as well. Thank you for all your wisdom with all this different equipment.
Oh nice !!!!!!!!
As a guy who's ran mutiples of both of these controllers I will go with the far driver every time I can't tell you how many sabotons I blown😂😂 Love this guy keep up the good work man
Hey where'd you get the display for the fardriver from link please
Thank you 👊🏿 yeah I just got tired of it lol
@@E-bikeguy brother do you have a link for that display?
This was a great primer on those powerful controllers. Thanks for the education!
Always a pleasure
Great video Tommi really enjoyed watching it you have such great information on those controller's thanks for sharing. Talk to you soon buddy.
Thank you, talk to you soon
Good explanations and nice shirt!
Oh thank you I ware it all the time
Thanks for the video and you where right everything that went wrong with the sabvoton controller and the LCD screen it happened to me too so I'm glad you cleared that up with everyone
Heck yeah I told you I was going to do this video just for you
Thanks!
I wish the fardriver controllers looked better, they look like a kid's toy compared to the sleek black/gray design of the sabvoton. I have a sabvoton 72100 on my stealth bomber clone and I made a custom wire cover for it and it looks so good.
I definitely agree
Great fact packed motor controller video! Thank you!
No problem brother
Send me that Sabvoton. I can probably fix it unless there are giant craters in the board..
Sabvoton and Fardriver are the same company. Kelly and Votol as well.
That Fardriver is a battery hog and it's probably a trapezoidal I'm just guessing. I guess I could bust out the oscilloscope and see but the way the power is applied etc seems not very much like sine FOC. Total power hog. That Sabvoton is absolutely more powerful but it requires more knowledge to setup properly. Thex72150 us rated at 450 phase, 8 have 2 of those, I think the 200 they probably rate at 600 but that's not possible because there's no such thing as a 100% efficient circuit. 90-95% that's doable. I'm just happy they use battery amps because phase amps is just a bullshit way to rate controllers.
The Fardriver is potted, so if you burn up some fets have fun getting that potting off to do a repair. I have that exact Fardriver too so I'm familiar with it's power vs a 72150 and they are comparable . I haven't had a 200 yet so I can't speak to that. But that Sabvoton Isa very powerful controller, also more expensive though. You can get Fardriver 680 for under $200 on AliExpress so that's a hard deal to pass up. Noisier, yes,. Less efficient, definitely. But that's why we make big ass batteries right?
I like doing all the settings, I'm a glutton for punishment I like my VESC controllers. A bazillion settings to tweak and an actual human being you can communicate with and speaks English and is still actively upgrading things and who actually uses the controllers he designs.
That Fardriver is huge compared to a VESC of similar power. I have the 75300 water cooled Flipsky and that's a very powerful controller, you can make an electric jet ski with it. And it is not very big even with the integrated water block. I wouldn't want to drop it on my foot but if you drop that Fardriver on your toes a little piggy will not be going to market. Heh heh.
Send me that controller, I'm near you... Sarasota. I've fixed both of mine it's probably something stupid. You say it cut off suddenly just riding normal. It might just be a wire. They use the most shit wire. I don't understand $300+ for a controller and it has aluminum wire. WTF?
Weird choices they make sometimes in their efforts to make each line they brand these things under seem unrelated. You killed the Sabvoton do then you showed them by buying a Fardriver. Same company. That is their business strategy. No one in China can write a proper English set of instructions? I find that highly doubtful.
From experience, same battery same bike same rider that sabvoton will not out perform that fardriver
Definitely appreciate the explanation 👍 for sure
@@E-bikeguy the Sabvotons were a lot better when they were using name brand Western mosfets. All Chinese now so they are definitely less durable than even 5 years ago. At least they have Bluetooth and apps now though honestly if there's a desktop software that's usually the better choice. Accept for Fardriver, their desktop version isn't even fully translated to English. Some of these controllers are absolutely not originally intended for bicycles. The companies were dealing with OEM moped, motorcycle, scooter, and frigging golf cart manufacturers so the need to explain every little setting didn't exist . Hopefully these companies start trying a bit harder to make their products more user friendly.
Crazy not very often I read a comment on CZcams and see Sarasota in it. I've lived here my whole life. Never thought I'd find someone so close building bikes. I haven't built one yet but seriously thinking about trying.
I would go for both but yes other controller has very good high speed and quality. important is end the day both are good controller enough
Yes they both are definitely good in their own way
I plan on building my own diy project i know you make your own batteries but are there any standard battery that are roughly 60v+ batteries i can just buy of tge web or Wal-Mart?
Hey buddy do you recommend that 72360 controller for your 5000 W build?
And Love the "producer" in the background!😁
Lol 💯 yes he was late to work
Awesome video, thank you for the knowledge. Thumbs up and like.
Thank you 👊🏿
Nice EbikeCaneville❤ tshirt mate👍
Thank you 👊🏿 I miss him every day
@E-bikeguy I bet you do mate!
Fardriver is killing it with price performance these days. I like Kelly for the mini Kls for under 120amp because of the form factor as these are huge compared. Fardriver are also making all up to 144v nowadays their most powerful controller is something like 112v1800+ track edition that pulls 1500 battery amp iirc
😬😬😬 wow 1500 battery amps!!!!
Wow, that's a very power controller. You think I should go with a kelly or sav. For a 72volt 3000 to 4k build?..qs205 also... I'm thinking the savaton controller.
@@uncle.matts.ebikes depends on what voltage you’re using. I’ve heard good things about sav from their users, to be honest it’s hard to beat fardriver especially for the price. I don’t know a lot about Kelly controllers, I have a mini kls 200a and it’s good but they’re not used as often at least in the diy ebike space, I’ve seen higher voltage controllers on cars and helicopters tho
It would be hard to put together a 96v system and a fardriver 96680 and beat it with a 72v S controller 150a and If you haven’t built the battery I’d look into if you’re going to benefit from 96v+
@@uncle.matts.ebikes qs205 fardriver 72680 should be enough statorade and hubsinks are a must
Good explaining mate. Seems like the fardriver has the edge on the sabvoton
Thanks for the comparison. Maybe one day I'll get brave enough to try a controller upgrade.
l totally agree with you and just ordered a FarDriver controller as you have been recommended that
Great video love these type of video’s
Ok I'll definitely put up more
Great information excellent I plan to get a fardriver
Just a tip because I've been watching all your videos please put links to all stuff you recommend
Ok I'm so sorry
Was your sabvoton an unlocked version. Because the difference between the unlocked sabvoton and locked is bordering on ridiculous. The unlocked makes that much more power that you cannot compare the two
Another cool ass video E-bike guy!…hey any thoughts on the “NON” programable Savaton controllers?…not everyone wants to hook their e-bikes up to a computer to upgrade their hub motors…Im running a non programable 80 amp Savaton with a 2K NB power hub motor kit…🤔⚡️🚴
Those controllers are very user friendly I definitely recommend it
i just ordered my tft display for the fardriver controller.
Can you help please?
I have a fardriver, My ukc1 will not read speed. It will say 8-10mph & im doing over 20mph. Yes iv got the right wheel sizs 19" im having to use 30" as its only 7mph out compared to half speed of 19"
For the fardriver controller do u need a Bluetooth dongle to tune/program
I got my Sabvoton 72200 for $228$ from Alibaba. The controller itself was $153, plus taxes, and another $50 for fast shipping.
That's a great deal 👌
please can you send me a link to the display you just got thanks so much you are Awesome bless you and your family
Ok well they don't have a site but E-conic cycles on ebay has them
BLESSED! 😇
What’s good bro, quick question I want to purchase a juicedbike ripcurrent s from fb market but I want it to go quicker but I also want more range than 20 miles if I use the cruise which I plan to a lot what do u suggest? Haven’t seen anyone build into that bike, pretty much don’t want to petal all the time but need range and at least 45-50 max a little under is fine
I think you forgot to mention that a fully unlocked sabaton has more power than a locked version ⚡️
Yes I failed to mention that
I could use some help for sure
Ok if you want email me
Do the saboton 7280 run good with a 52v battery?
I wonder in the commercial industry, What these controllers could also run???
Like motor cycles!
I rather have the fardriver controller.
Straight up!
Love the Shirt! 🙏🙏
Thank you 👊🏿 he will be missed
Can you please explain how to connect a battery to the ring terminals? Do I just put the red o-ring on the red ring terminal and black o-ring on black ring terminal?
Yes if you don't have it connected to battery
I'm looking to get a Fardriver pretty soon 😁
Exactly because of EBG!
Question, sir, what HD road tire do you recommend.. HEB or Ultraverse?
Thanks much
Peace Prospector Tripp
Both tires are made by the same company, so it's really personal preference
@@E-bikeguy thanks
yes sir. far driver for me.
Maybe your display was set to auto shut off?
Or someone messed with the settings...
It shut off on me mid ride I have video on my channel
I bought a big trip Titan e-bike 750 watt motor I want to upgrade my controller just to get more power and I don't really know what to do or what controller to get what do you recommend
Fardriver have a 35a controller
@@E-bikeguy cool thank you
Where do you get the Fardriver ?
On aliexpress
How do you hook up the on and off switch?
@E-bikes718 I'll show you in a upcoming video
@@E-bikeguy ok cool thanks brother
What's been your failure rate for sabvoton vs fardriver? I had a sab fail when the headlight shorted. On my second now. Edit: yeah you answered that
Man, I had 3 sabvoton failure, and a ukc1 that just quit working out of the blue. not one fardriver failed on me
@@E-bikeguyyeah, i should have waited lol! You answered my question. When i want to upgrade I'm going to get a fardriver. Great video
Hey question does the far-driver controller work with the G50/G60 e-bike lcd screen and does the controller have the options to add blinkers and headlights?
Yes, you will need to buy the motorcycle wire harness
Oh shooot okay thanks
brother add affiliate links
Ok I'll put it in my description
I got a fardriver controller nd72260 might need some help if u could sorry for bothering you I know ur busy
Email me at theebikeguy08@gmail.com
What bout votols u never mention them 😂
No, because I never had one
Oh fair dues . 1 day you shud review 1 i wanna know what u think of them 👌🏾
@overvoltage_tv ok I will definitely
Pedal assist. The fardriver does not have it. Sabvoton has P.A.S.
FACTS!!💯💯
На контроллерах больше 100А, это уже не приемущество.
Синхронизовать PAS, с большой мощностью мотора Sabvoton адекватно не может.
С личного опыта, использывание педального привода и помагать дросселем намного эфективней чем ждать когда PAS проснеться
I have a question can the fardriver controller work with a 48volt 20ah battery? the bms is 40a
Yes but you need to set MaxLineCurr to 40a until you buy a real battery. Thats what I did when I had a 60a battery, I set my Fardriver for 60a until I had a 180a battery.
@@imho7250 thanks for the reply I have two batteries one is a 48volt and the other 52volts does that setting work with the 52volt battery as well??
@@salvadorsalvador4735, technically if you are using a Fardriver you should change the battery voltage setting and LVP setting in the controller for each pack.
52v/LVP 42v
48v/LVP 39v.
The reason is regen cutout voltage is based on battery voltage setting, which prevents regen past approximately 90% full charge, before the BMS overvoltage protection kicks in. The LVP is set to get most of the juice out of the battery but turn off the controller before the BMS cuts power to the controller.
It really depends on the rest of your bike. If it has a geared hub motor with internal freewheeling clutch, you can regen so you could use 52v setting for both packs, and you could probably compromise at 40v LVP setting , then you could use both packs.
Before you buy any controller you should know your ultimate plans for the bike so you can get the power you need for each upgrade. Ultimately your battery, motor and controller need to match to get the designed peak performance out of them.
If you have room for a second battery, you can buy an additional 48v or 52v 20ah 40a pack and run the pair in parallel with 80a Maxine current. There are Fardriver controllers that are only 45a (72200) but don’t get that one if later you want a 3000w motor.
Great information. It was all a foreign language to me...🤣😂 But demonstrates your knowledge and skills! 💪🦵🚴♂️
Lol yes I agree 👍 💯 had to use goggle translate 😄