WATCH LIVE: Eye Drop Murder Trial - WI v. Jessy Kurczewski - Day 12
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- The 39-year-old Wisconsin woman accused of poisoning her wealthy friend with eye drops faces trial for murder. Jessy Kurczewski allegedly dumped six bottles of Visine into Lynn Hernan’s water bottle and tried to stage her death as an overdose in 2018. Prosecutors also claim Kurczewski defrauded Hernan of nearly $300,000 before killing her. Judge Jennifer Dorow, who oversaw Darrell Brooks’ Waukesha parade massacre trial, is overseeing Kurczewski’s case.
Trial Moments:
Court Begins
Judge and Counsel Give Appearances
Arguments Outside the Presence of the Jury
Defense Continues Their Direct Exam of Linda Eisenhardt - Document Analyst - Forensic Examiner - FBI
Prosecution Cross Exam of Linda Eisenhardt - Document Analyst - Forensic Examiner - FBI
Defense REDIRECT of Linda Eisenhardt - Document Analyst - Forensic Examiner - FBI
Court Goes on a Break
Defense Calls Sara Tromp - Nurse Practitioner
Court is on a Lunch break until 2pm ET
What's Happening: A juror got sick over lunch, we think they’re going to excuse that one and pull an alternate…they are off until the judge is back.
Court is on a short break while they do some redactions
Defense Calls Dr. Lindsey Thomas, MD - Forensic Pathologist
Jury Taken Out of The Courtroom
Arguments Outside The Presence of the Jury
Defense Continues Direct Exam of Dr. Lindsey Thomas, MD - Forensic Pathologist
Prosecution Cross Exam of Dr. Lindsey Thomas, MD - Forensic Pathologist
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19:59 FBI Forensic Document Examiner - Linda Eisenhardt continues from yesterday
1:47:37 Jury Break / Housekeeping
1:49:01 Court on break
2:04:02 Housekeeping
2:09:46 Sara Tromp - Nurse Practitioner
3:17:25 Jury Break / Housekeeping
3:19:06 Court Break
5:40:22 Housekeeping
5:47:06 Break
6:14:03 Housekeeping
6:19:17 Dr Lindsey Thomas - Forensic Pathologist
7:15:51 Jury excused for Housekeeping
7:21:37 Court on break
7:27:39 Housekeeping
7:30:25 Dr Lindsey Thomas continues
7:31:53 Dr Thomas cross-examination
@nadine4034 ✨Incredible!💓
The States female attorney doesn’t miss a beat. She is amazing.
Agreed, it’s refreshing seeing her be so organized and make things clear as day for the jury, after hearing the defense team go on and on with irrelevant/repeated questions. The male State lawyer is great also. And I read that one if the reasons this took so long to go to trial is cause Jessie went through multiple other defense lawyers before these 2…. They don’t have much to work with I guess but still 🤦♀️
The prosecutor is vicious and amazing… $400 an hour for the defenses witness, it’s a shame, how embarrassing this is.
@@jessieb4703 $400 a hour for that?! What! 😳
Brilliant cross examination of the pathologist by the state's attorney! Love, love, love it!!!!!
I disagree, I feel the State was weak on her integrity & lack of time put into the case. 14 hours is nothing in pathology.
✨Justice for Ms. Lynn, and for sweet Anthony who loved her so very much⚖️
Oh my. I've just finished watching. I won't spoil for those who haven't yet seen iit. However I will say the defense are skating on the thinnest of thin ice. Very sly and I would say completely unethical. Let's see what happens tomorrow.
I love this judge. She knows her stuff, pays attention and is always fair. Even if defense pushing envelope she allows. She wants to make sure it’s all fair and above board.
What is worth watching here is what transpires in court after jury is excused for the day. Classic Judge Dorrow considers losing it with defense’s ineptitude 🤣
She was the hack hired in Jenson case too
That’s right! And we know she didn’t do a lot of good for his retrial…. Defense is desperate and will take anyone
She was. My heart sank when I saw her sitting in the gallery waiting to testify. Her testimony in the Jensen case was infuriating, she showed such blatant bias. It was great when attorney Jambois roasted her on cross for her bias.
Although I think the state team in this case are good I didn’t think the cross of Lindsey Thomas was strong enough. I wish they would have asked about the police interviews and jessy admitting to giving Lynn visine in her water bottles.
@@alisonjones4947 i love Jamby!
I
Love him
He needs to teach classes to DAs
@@alisonjones4947 Yep, I like how the State pointed out about the Jensen case (to prove her non-credibility) then Defense points out "Oh weren't you the Tox for Rodney Kings trial??" When it was actaually George Floyd (not even gonna comment on that...)
Top notch prosecutors
Defense attorney Kuchler’s attempt to use her ME’s history in obtaining justice for George Floyd for Jessy’s defense was bad- her confusing Mr. Floyd death in 2020 with Rodney King’s beating in 1991 was worse.
I’m so embarrassed for her 😮
Speechless
Defense trying to get in material they KNOW is inappropriate but give pathetic, unprofessional reasons why should be allowed. Shameful!
Jessy keeps looking at the defense attorney's as they cross examine as if to say, I wish I had THEM as my attorney's!
How bout, why wasn't Jessy there? She was her care taker and knew she needed 24hr care when she was discharged. If she couldn't be there she should have made arrangements for someone else to fill in.
With a friend like her, who need enemies!
There was no alcohol in Lynn's system at time of death. So Darow reversing herself is confusing. What about Lynn's rights to live? What about justice for her in death? It was already stated that the drug/chemical in visine was at lethal levels. No other level of any other substance were lethal doses.
I think the judge was crossing the t’s to avoid any chance of mistrial. I don’t think it ended up making any difference though. 🤷🏻♀️
Defense to expert witness, "You testified in the Chauvin case? Who was it? Rodney King?" ROTFL
Ridiculous direct of the APNP Same question over and over it’s is self reported. Get on with it. This is asinine. Just going to annoy jury he has moments he just stares into shave. Then says again she fills this out herself. WTF?! Just stop. ASKED and ANSWERED. Do they really think doing a good job?
I KNEW she was going to blame some kinda poly-drug toxicity! Easy money. She should be ashamed. I'm sure the other drugs, if they were high enough levels in the blood, didn't help anything, but the amount of that other stuff that killed her was so high it was pretty clear. I thought that first ME did a very thorough job, and I just don't believe this one...but then, who knows for sure?
The end was interesting the toxicologist hired by the defense attorney’s witness is trying to use tomorrow a case that a judge ordered not to be publish or use. In the exhibit he’s trying to use partial reports. What in the world the defense has used the pathologist today that made a fool of herself hope they paid her enough to retire. If you listen to the judge denying the motion of removing or amending the jury initial instructions about the indictments. If this was a bench trial technically the Judge said state has met the criteria of circumstantial and direct evidence that was a big blow. The defendant had this evil face today. I bet this witness will not be allowed to testify and use any of the defense exhibits unless is a complete report but he’s not suppose to use it based on the gag order.
URS it’s inconsistent because she forged Lynn’s signature. This is a joke
On the stand the neighbor did NOT say Lynn suicidal.
Nosy neighbor did not like Lynn to begin with. She is sitting with the Flower lady in court at different times. Two peas in a pod. Jessy was smiling the whole time nosy neighbor testified.
First of all the ME did list those meds so not as if saying something new as if ME in case was amiss.
say what you want. The level of tetrahydralazine was very very high all other meds not close to therapeutic never mind toxic or fatal. And the original ME also listed her other medical issues. They are trying to make the ME look as if didn’t list her illnesses but she DID. Wow, glad I’ve never sold my soul for money and lowered myself using my profession to twist things.
Not true, the Baclofen at least was at a toxic level iirc and she wasn't even supposed to be taking it any more.
@@ukguy
I don’t think Lynn would take the meds that made her sick on purpose. I believe miss Jessy switched those also.
Trying to use this witness to try make state look bad. Refers to interviews. This witness has nothing to do with investigation. Only did handwriting analysis. This defense attorney really bugs me. So sly, sarcastic and at times close to unethical.
Very strange looking also.
I knew I recognized the last witness from another trial!! Jensen - it’s a good one
So this witness hired numerous times to try get poisoners off?
Yes and she was blatantly biased in the jensen case. She refused to acknowledge any evidence that supported the homicide manner of death. Attorney Jambois really got stuck into her on cross and I think she was exposed. I don’t know how these expert defence witnesses sleep at night. They really do sell their souls to the devil.
Jessy Jessy Jessy - so many lies she gets confused. She puts on top of document that she “rewrote” but then so used to trying to make it look like Lynn wrote stuff she changed her handwriting. So much so the expert found it was not supportive that it was jessys handwriting 🤣🤣🤣. I don’t see how this helps the defense at all.
Jessy could have taken / stole the drugs to make it appear the deceased took them when not the case. This woman is a conniving woman.
The autopsy should show tht would it not??? If not all in her system... then someone removed them...
Ah you know I didn’t even think, I wouldn’t put it past her to have taken any opioids Lynn was prescribed and sold them!
Exactly. Also didn’t she say she provided Lynn with her meds before leaving? Who is to say what pills she had given her “ baclofen” which Lynn had an allergic reaction to and had asked the doctor to take her off of.
@@lirpa1981Maybe I’m over cautious, 🤷🏻♀️ but drugs I’m allergic to, are NOT in my house!
@@midnightrun2764 All meds have risks of side effects, so She may have just not disposed of them, but I tend to think Jessy had been holding them pills for her. To sneak and give her. She made it clear numerous times that she gave Lynn her meds.
Oh she took everything into account. That’s why need look at history. Intentional saying first ME did not do this which is BS!! The first ME mentioned ALL the sane things and explained them. She is giving her O pin on. Good on her. But she goes further and insults first ME and infers she didn’t do her job correctly.
6:32:43 😂😂😂The Defense said "Rodney King" 😂😂😂😂💀
This is a case where defendant hurt her own case. Had she not spoken I don’t think she would have even been charged. Definitely couldn’t prove beyond reasonable doubt. She hung herself with her own words.
I think she may have been on the hook for fraud, but not the homicide.
What’s in the water in Wisconsin?
😂
Inconclusive that is why state didn’t use and why doesn’t show for sure who wrote these things.
Wow the hospital admitted palliative care not appropriate wasn’t because dying had brought it up to maybe get some assistance. Not sure what to make of this expert
Isn’t it possible that Jessy took out pills to save for a later date. Because Lynn declined certain pills, she no longer wanted
defense attorney has a grin that needs to be washed away.
Jessy may not be a murderer but clearly a crook
She appears to be both
She’s most definitely a murderer, the state has done an amazing job showing the overwhelming evidence
6:32:31 what the? RODNEY KING? 🤷🏻♀️ Has this Def person been asleep, for thirty years? 🙄😳It would certainly explained some things! Rodney King! 🤭
When are closings
This female defense lawyer acting like petulant child. Says the state had two witnesses brought up the case (? not sure what referring to) and she says “so it’s fair” foot stomp head shake implied 😀
I listen to this Nurse Practitioner talk about all this back pain, yet I don’t hear a single word about seeing a Chiropractor and Mental Health Doctor. This Quack & Lynn’s PCP just pump her with meds & send her on her way. They both should lose their licenses and be ashamed of themselves.
The NP tried to refer her to a pain psychologist which is a mental health provider. Often they look into possible somatic/psychosomatic causes for the pain.
looking back on this part, I think Jessie even fooled this expert. I believe the defense hired her because she is very young, and I am only assuming, but she may be fresh out of college and maybe not much experience yet.
"Rodney King"👀 WOW
No one takes THZ for funzies gtfo 7:11:56
Trash picker guy, who is friend of Flower, said she was doing it a decade or so before - and we are supposed to believe this?
My carbon copies have the signature line blacked out so you can’t see the signature. I guess I assumed that was the standard 😮
I've never had carbon copy checks - but I have not ordered them in over 15 years. Imagine the signature was all over the residence so no need to go to the checkbook to find it.
When my father passed away, his checkbook's carbon copies had nothing blanked out. I remember that specifically because seeing the signature outline reminded me of a time where I didn't want to get busted for having an in school suspension and that's how I signed the form. Unfortunately they still called him.... 😂
Rodney King? Really defense?!?!?!?
This doctor - so state shows reason for palliative care and was to help her and final decision was that not candidate for palliative care. This doctor says that was THEIR opinion 🤣. Yes not same as yours so you right they wrong.
So there was support that were different sources so could be Jessy. But it’s confusing. If support different sources actually means doesn’t support Jessy it’s way too confusing way the report worded. But lots of inconclusive. Some support Lynn not writing. So even though defense twisted report it really overall did not help them or show Lynn wrote all the stuff Jessy said Lynn did.
The fact that most of this was basically maybe it is maybe it isn't is, I'm sure, the reason the prosecution didn't call her. No need to confuse the jury when it really isn't necessary to prove your case. Defense was desperate to find anything because their client talked her way into a life sentence with the detectives. They are asking about what helps their case while failing to recognize it opens the door to ALL of the evidence she looked at as well as all her conclusions. They are trying to confuse the jury. They are desperate and it shows.
@buckeyehockey1979 This is a LOSE, lose case. They are doing their job giving the loser a defense. ..Simply...
If I was a juror I’d totally forget all about the handwriting expert because none of her conclusions were strong enough. It seemed to be a case of maybe/maybe not so for me the testimony was a waste of time.
Hmm, not sure state bringing up first ME thinking scene was staged helpful. Gave defense fodder to go into that and the explanation by this doctor was a believable option. To me the scene was obviously staged, but it was a decent redirect.
Yep, I thought the cross of the defence expert was weaker than it should have been. They could have gone into so much more but didn’t.
Wonder where Jesse got the $ to pay for representation.
Miranda rights, "You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you." She should have requested one before all the police interviews.
@@bobroberts8082 rumour has it that these octogenarians are not public defenders
These are private attorneys appointed and paid for by the state. I believe this is her 4th set of attorneys, she fired the others. She is impossible. She blew thru the Public defenders office, the rest had conflict of interest with either her, or witnesses on case .
5:23:19 youre next
Testimony starts at 20:00
I dont she is the murderer but she spent some money$$$$$
Me either she was my bunkie in jail she's way to good of a person ❤
🤣 way too good a person? 🤣
Seriously? 🙄🙄🙄
Your comment actually states; I don’t! She IS the murderer. That’s what happens when you don’t proof read your comment! 🤷🏻♀️
Even though she ADMITTED GIVING HER 6 BOTTLES VISINE IN HER WATER. And that she knew it would probably kill her???? Smh
6:32:43
Defense: “Was that Rodney King?”
Witness: “No, that was George Floyd who died”
30 years apart
Rodney King incident 1991
George Floyd 2020
🙄😬🫣
Defence are bloody awful 🤦🏻♀️
Mortified