Are the SPEAKERS really the MOST IMPORTANT part of a HIFi System?
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Today I talk about my experience when it comes to the importance of each piece in an audio system. Each piece is very important as is system matching but there are a couple of things that sit at the top of the heap when it comes to the difference it will make to your systems sound.
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The wallet is the most important part
My wallet is empty, so i say whats in the wallet
Hahaha!
No, it isn't. Since I have downsized my system to a small Atoll amp and bookshelf full range speakers I constructed and built by myself I'm listening to music and not to the system - in short, I'm a healed audiophile.
Couldn’t have said it better myself!!!
Right on! The wallet and the needs and wishes of others in a person’s family.
Gotta save up for your children to be able to go to college and for old age (or else it’s off to the welfare nursing home).
I've now watched loads of your videos and you've never "really" had poor speakers. So of course at that level, yes, your priority order changes.
Another aspect that makes "the room" the most important is whether it is a room where you can listen whenever you want or it's a space that you share with your family and don't nearly get the listening time you'd like.
I agree wholeheartedly but if I ever met someone who started with the room on their first set up I would be very concerned.
@@ultraneight Well, many audiophiles' first setup is in their bedroom in their parents' house. For privacy obviously, not for acoustical reasons. So they choose a system fit for that room.
Paul at PS Audio has stated for a very long time that the speakers are the most important component. Coming fro:a guy whose company (until very recently) only made amps and dacs, that says something and I completely agree with him.
Yes I can agree with that. A low quality set of speakers is really not going to do anything justice. But at a certain level of speakers, amplifiers, sources and everything else really start to shine
Speakers cannot retrieve information that the source has lost. End of. Rubbish in, rubbish out.
Ivor Tiefenbrun (founder of Linn) would like to disagree with Paul...
It's true, unless somehow you have some ridiculous 10 watt Radio Shack amp that distorts everything, or some other similar scenario. Changing your speakers will affect the sound by a larger amount than changing other things.
They are the most important in terms of selecting the ones that best reflect your taste and fit your room because they largely determine the fundamental character of the sound. Character not quality. Ultimate quality (resolution, accuracy, control, etc.) is the result of the performance of all components and their synergy in the system.
The most important part of a HiFi-Setup is THE ROOM! I've heard really expensive HiFi-Setups in bad rooms, wich sounds poor, compared to "cheap" HiFi-Setups in optimized rooms.
Without a doubt! The room is your biggest speaker.
Never confuse sound "quality" with music
Nice set up
Those Focals are gorgeous. I also love the racing green as well.
Most important part of a high quality system is your credit card 💳
I always thought of the seat in the room that is considered the "sweet" spot, to be the most important. So long as there is no weak link in your system.
Um, sir. Those tanks are not "bookshelf speakers". Those would break any bookshelf not made of adamantium. Those are indeed, "stand mounted" speakers.
You didn’t mention your tonearm, it’s a British made Origin Live Illustrious tonearm, fabulous sounding tonearm.
Really amazing! Congratulations and thank you for sharing these jewels with the audience!
The most important audio component in a Hi Fi system is the source component. The quality of the musical signal coming out of this first component defines the ultimate ability of any audio system.
Every other component in the system merely passes on this signal with greater or lesser accuracy. None can enhance or improve it. Many people believe that the speaker is the most important link in the Hi Fi chain. Intuitively this makes sense because it is where the sound comes from. And true enough, if you change your speakers, a very different sound will come forth, but it will not be an improvement on the source signal.
Agree, yes, but the missing component IMO are the recordings themselves- quality of lps, files, cds, SACDS/hi-res discs etc. The farthest we can go back-to-source as consumers are the recordings.
Pk but diminishing returns for dacs are pretty low compared to speakers. Yiur dac should cost anywhere near the cost of your speakers.
Exactly Aussie Bob, almost all hifi salespeople say speakers because they have the highest margin.
That's true. I've made few evolutionary steps in building my setup, and every time I improved loudspeakers, I got remarkable difference.
I agree with the importance of the room but would put it on equal standing as the speakers. That combination is critical on getting the most out of a system. Looking at your room, I am somewhat surprised more attention isn't placed on the front wall and the placement of the electronics. Quadratic diffusion is on the front wall brings such imaging and soundstage and keeps the room lively. I would think the gear and the tall furniture stand would create unwanted and uncontrolled reflections. You say it works exceptionally well for you and I don't doubt it, so I guess there's more than one way to get lovely sound.
Great content - really useful, thanks. Do the fabric flowers do anything? I could easily get some done.
Always enjoy your videos thank you. Do you think maybe a true dedicated equipment rack could be in your future? That could possibly bring an extra degree of performance from your beautiful system.
You nailed it. The room is most important. Bad reflections and bass peaks and lows can destroy everything. It’s also my project for the next 3 month, got a 36m2 room in the ceiling and it’s blank. So it’s a lot of work. Working with Acapella Fidelio, Martin Logan S800 Sub, Rega Planar 1 with AudioTechnica VM95SH and Leak130 Amp I‘m a beginner but already had great moments. So the new room will hopefully help to increase, next step will be Billie MKII ‚cause of your great review. Greetings from Germany
Definetely agree on the room and adapting and tweaking your speaker and listen positioning as well as utilizing natural sound dampening furnishings to also tweak. Have you ever tried a Rega turntable in your system? I'm quite fond of their tables and sound even in their above entry level range
It's all important. Synergy is key.
Im enjoying music like never before through my Audiovector r1 arrete speakers and Gryphon Diablo 120 amp
Thanks for sharing
The Billie amp! I want one of them!
A speaker i would like you to test if you get your chane ever is the TAD CE-1
If you like the Focal Diablo , you will fall in love with the TAD’s i can insure you 👍
Can I come over? Seems so chill to sit in that room with the view looking at the woods. It's very nice.
Glad you chose this topic. Curious to hear your take. Hope you chose the Pass. Unless you say the room.
Hi hope you are well. Kam from Melbourne . I like your reviews and the way you tell the story. It’s engaging.
If you get the chance please do review the burson timekeeper 3ir. It’s a Melbourne based company.
Also in your opinion ( i know it’s system dependent) what power conditioner would you recommend under $2000 aud. Plzz
Interested in the solo piano music at the beginning (esp) in the background too....
The HoloAudio May DAC KTE version would be a nice source for this calibar system
What’s this! You have seen the light and DITCHED OMA! Well done. Most realize their stuff is far from the best.
You should test out a PecanPi Streamer/DAC from Orchard Audio
No CD transport? At the end I never heard you mention Preamp(s)
can you do a more detailed focal diablo demo?
I agree with you on the importance of the source but I think of the source as the music recording and recording medium rather than the electronic component playing or streaming the music. The room/room setup and source are similar in that they place upper limits on the quality of audio possible and no amount of high fidelity gear can overcome these limits. Thanks for sharing.
I agree with the #1 but my #2 is active speakers over most hifi systems. And i don't get annoyed from the differents of source, like tv, cd and streamer.
The most important part of any system is.... The part you like the best !
Is that a tiny Roxy Paine sculpture on top of your speed control?
The most important part of the system is the person with the ears to listen to them
Room first. Transducers ( speakers and cartridge) second, in my experience
What is your thaught about room correction you can make in the Roon or by a miniDSP by Direc Live ?
Have you tested it?
Best Regards
Fredrik
You can compensate for your system but not for the room. Because sound in your room are 4 dimensional. It's like a Dune landscape of +6 to - infinity dB. And differs per frequency (wavelength dependant) and depends on reflective properties of all surfaces.
The sound produced by your speakers is a 3D interference pattern (1 dimension less). No way you can compensate for that electronically (from 2 speakers).
@@Jeep_on_audioemm, you don't undestand how room equalisation works.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775
Erm. I do.
You can't control 3D space from 2 points. I studied architecture including acoustics. Did you? I know how to treat a room and with what. I know how to calculate it too.
One important component you left out is neighbors.If your neighbors are calling the cops every time you turn up the volume they need to be removed from your system.
How do those focals compare to say a Wilson audio Sasha
Why don’t you break your corners by putting chamfered pieces there?
So is it synergy?
Then speakers
Then source DAC amp cables
Room is there somewhere here too…
I totally agree with your list! Rooms can make or break a system. Source is always my second choice this is where I spend the most on.
I definitely agree with you room source and that starts with the recording, and then da converter or turntable as for the rest I agree with the other guy it's all about the wallet and how much you can spend, but these days you don't have to spend a lot to get great sound😃
That is undoubtfull but is not fairy controlable nor permanently fixed . The shape of room and size is as is. My room has two entrances with two doors normally open. With closindg doors I hear quite a difference - seems with closed sounds more impressive. My colege noticed it imidialtely but it is still not decided if I want get up to fix the doors or sit on and listen 😁
The way I look at it is what part of audio chain is central to system. The amp imo, as it's the one component that is potentially a lifetime purchase. Speakers next and dac last
I'm not sure I agree with you this time. Yes the room is important but there's A LOT you can do to tune a room. But, crap speakers are crap speakers no matter what you do.
Tuning a room is part of the room's contribution to the sound...
Feed a fantastic pair of speakers a poor signal, and set those speakers up badly, and it will sound awful.
1. Speakers
2. Room tuning
3. Source
4. Clean power
5. Cables
Thoughts on B&W 803 D4 ?
I keep saying to myself, if only my room was a little bigger. My system would sound so much better with a little more space to give my full range speakers a little more "breathing room".
Love your priorities and I fully agree. I have about $6k into my digital source and I love it. exaSound E62 DAC, BOTW lmps, Phasure Lush^3 usb audio cable, and optical isolation back to the Roon core. 👌🏽👏🏼👏🏼
the room is the room. my system is in the living room and nothing in the room is gonna change for improvement on sound reasons. So the system has to adapt to the room.
The person listening is the most important part
Ho una coppia di AR M1, un lettore cd Philips, un giradischi Denon e un amplificatore in classe D pagato nuovo su Wish 25 euro. Cavi di potenza e di segnale standard.
Aveva ragione Mark Levinson che affermava che le Acoustic Research M1 sono un miracolo dell'acustica. Usate si possono acquistare per 100/200 euro.
Il suono che emettono è veramente una magia.
Il costo del mio impianto potrebbe essere 300 euro.
Se si ha la fortuna di possedere una coppia di AR M1 si può comprendere che il resto dell'impianto è puro "contorno". Un McIntosh da 10 mila euro o un Denon da 1000 euro o un altro amplificatore (a vostra scelta sia per il prezzo che per la qualità) determinano un leggerissimo cambiamento del suono degli altoparlanti.
Le casse fanno il 90% della qualità dell'impianto hifi. Buon pomeriggio da Roma.
The room is probably the most important piece.
UHF Ultra High Fidelity a Cdn magazine now no longer around always emphasized the source as the most vital part of a sound system along with room setup. It makes sense based on the garbage in garbage out principle.
The synergy between components is important and difficult to achieve. You have all bases covered starting with the mains supply and mains cables and moving through to the speakers and their positioning. The system should just let the music out without getting in the way and the room has to be quiet and not confuse the sound with reverberations and resonances. Your system manages to not look like a jumble of parts sprouting a cobble of wires which makes a difference to concentrating on the playback too.
Would you rather have Buchardt S400 (~$2k) + DCS Bartok Apex (~$20k), or Focal Diablo (~$20k) + Denafrips Pontus II (~$2k)?
The room then the speakers 🔊
Stand mount speakers
The best way to consider this issue: A room's impact can negate the best sound of any gear.
yes the room
I think the speakers are the same as the lens on a 35 mm camera the better the lens the better the image
Your analogy is back to front then, speakers are the final output of the system, they can't make it up or fill in the gaps. If the musical 🎼 recording is not read in its entirety every piece following is just putting out BITS!
I’ve stuck diffusion panels onto my computer screen to get an effect of my desktop system.
That, and put cement tubes on chairs to achieve side and rear effects.
Most important doesn't work without the complete package. High end components start to become tedious when the complexity over rides just enjoying music.
No dynaudio special ?
Cables are the most important. Without cables there's no sound
diablo now you need to test the Gryphon diablo 300 integrated
I had high end cd players(3 to 5k) or so I thought until I bought a 3rd hand heavily discounted Rega Isis. Source is no. 1 then tweak whatever space you have
Need a 5 band EQ
Stereo pair of subs ( I have dual REL s510s), and they rock my world!
The most important part of your system isn't a part of your system, but it's the reference material that runs through it, without that, everything else is pointless!
I never though they were. This notion probably started when people believed that the only function of a turntable was to keep the record at a constant speed, that amplifiers had no sonic signature of their own and that cables made no difference in the sound.
Speakers are most important. Room can be optimised. Greetz from 🇨🇭
It’s the room.
BRAVOOOO
The midrange
Are the Fleetwoods gone?
The most important part of any system, is your ears. The next two things go hand in hand… the room & the wallet… then speakers, amps, streaming & cables in that order…
1 = speakers...............2 = pre-amp...............3 = power amp..................4 = cd player
cables = 1) power cord...............2) speaker cables....................3) interconnects
A bit "church sound" mb favorable in sonic regard ;-)
The one that’s the most important is the one that just broke. 😝
I've got the perfect room but no speakers 🥲
Most important thing in audio system is listener
Don’t forget the understanding wife😂
These Diablos better than the SF Guaneris? French and the Italians make the sexiest speakers.
Is that an origin live tonearm which one? You should try the blackbird that's a fantastic sounding arm.
You need to put isolator under your turntable, not a great place to put it on the rack top like that its acting as a soundboard.
If you have a bit of DIY skills You can make a fantastic isolator by suspending the turntable. If you get two bamboo chopping boards piece of inch plywood or HDF
Get the plywood or HDF and cut it one and a half inches x4, another pieces by 2" x4, Glue and screw or nail the 2" piece to the bottom of the one and a half inch piece, so you're forming an L. do the same for the bottom chopping board but flip the L so interlinks with the top L between these two L-shaped pieces drill a fine hole 3 mm so you can hang a piece of very strong cotton or fishing line, same on the other side as well. oh and cut the length of the L-shaped in the middle so there's a gap for better isolation. The thread is under tension with the top chopping board with the bottom one making it suspended. giving you great movement and isolation. hold the pieces of cotton or fishing line with a small nail on both ends so the thread is looped on both ends around the nail.
You could place feet or even glue a mouse mat on the bottom chopping board to protect your surfaces, Best isolation you can get. Give it a go you'll be surprised
I forgot to say make sure the interlocking L's when the thread is put in is a gap! so there's movement, You don't want the L touching the other L peace Just make sure the bottom L on the bottom board is closer together to give you the gap a 5-8 mm gap should be fine. I would say if you're surface you're putting it on is unlevel then you need to use adjustable feet then use separate chopping board for this purpose as well and put the isolator on a level surface because the isolator will automatically level itself and could make it touch itself defeating the object.
Personal opinion, garbage in, garbage out. What is lost at the beginning can never be recovered.
I am biased in this respect because my four main sources are vinyl. :)
i don't like the pins for the grill
I thought #1 was going to be "the music"
$24k ?!?!?! Yessh, I thought those Fleetwood you had cost a ton. Yeesh...
The source is the most important part of a HiFi. No amp or speaker can make the source sound better. Garbage in, garbage out.
filtered and well regulated electricity/power is where the magic originates....you can have a $300M sound system with a crappy electrical/power source OR no electricity at all and your system does not have a prayer sounding better than a car radio
I can tell you unequivocally and without question the single most important piece of any Hi-Fi system are your ears - some ears listen to the Hi-Fi and some listen to the music but whichever they are these are the most important. Also source. Poor in poor out.
Yes, the speakers are the most important of a system. Obviously.
Not in my experience : )
the most important part of any system is 1) quality of the recording then 2 ) speakers
Source? Yes but source back to the performance itself, then the recording-(engineer). While listening to a mediocre system, find to a great performance, well recorded a little concert is happens. Of course the system itself can get closer but I’ve also heard great performances made virtually unlistenable by an inept engineer, maybe unrecoverable.
The most important component of any Hi Fi are your ears. Its not about what it cost, what designer kit you have or how big your speakers are. It's all about how it sounds to you regardless of the kit used.
I think the music source are the most important.
24k damn you rich
Far from it. My yearly income is under $38k. Fact.
@@HiFiHuff wow do you get sponsorship or something that's not much
Most important part? The way your system makes you feel.
Most important part?
Your ears.
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