Why Does Morgott Call Himself Margit When First Encountered? | Elden Ring Lore
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- In this video I explain why Morgott goes by Margit the Fell Omen when first encountered by the player. And why the people of capital tolerate an Omen King in the first place.
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Something I forgot to mention is the Gideon refers to Morgott as the "veiled monarch" further implying that he is concealed and not easy to meet with.
Do you think Morgott perhaps used the Mimic's Veil to disguise his appearance before Godrick stole it when he fled Leyndell?
@@PatPeez Well the item description says it's also known as "Marika's Mischief" so it could have been Marika's or was associated with Marika. It definitely doesn't rule out your reading of it though, it's described as a treasure Godrick took with him, perhaps a royal treasure formerly in the hands of Morgott.
@@stratospheric37 I mean, she is his mother
@Ratatoskr Mar”GIT” Mar”GOTT” -> a reference to git gud
I always took that as he knows he's an omen but realizes he's necessary to protect Marika so propagates his lie.
By the way, did anyone notice that Morgott never appears in person when he shows up as Margit? Every time you fight him, he's surrounded by a golden glow before the fight starts and there's a reason for that; he's actually projecting himself through the commoners who are Loyal to the Capital Crown.
The second time you fight Margit, if you're fast enough, you can see that he actually takes over the body of a nearby commoner in the outer wall area.
Yea it's a bit werid since it seems mechanically identical to the mimic enemies that pop out of smaller enemies and give a larval tear when killed, but presumably Morgott has no connection whatsoever to the Eternal City and all their mimic tear/larval tear stuff. I don't recall any other enemies doing a similar thing. Seems unique to Morgott and the mimic enemies.
The only part of this that doesn't make sense is that you can kill Morgott before the second fight with Margit in the Altus Plateau and it still functions normally, unlike the encounter at Stormveil.
@@solomongrundy1905 oversight
He also dies in a golden glow. Just like Mogh in the sewer...
@@TheOneWithNoFNnick but Mogh in the sewer is more like the projection of Godfrey, it has no mind of its own nor is it actually of flesh and blood like the commoners Morgott uses.
Everyone is talking about the cut dialog and NPC, but no one is talking about how he beat the shit out of Radahn.
they were just joshing around, doin a lil wrastlin
At this rate who hasn't kicked Rahdahn's ass? Honestly im curious what Rahdahn would have been like if he wasn't driven mad or even just missing his feet.
Rahdahn seems kinda small in that picture. You sure it's him?
@@francisharkins we actualy don't know it was Rahdahn though. Rahdahn in images of the shattering is as big as he is when we face him, while this man is clearly not at all. he could have easily been a son of Rahdahn leading the charge on Leyndell, after all Rahdahn is a General and would not be present on the front lines so easily, as we know with Godrick and Godefroy there are descendants of the demigods, and there were many more shard bearers as well (vyke had 2 runes before we did, gideon has at least 1 rune, and many runes have likely changed hands during the shattering, but no demigod ever acquired 2)
@@tpotshax8703 you can tell by the shoulder armor pads and head piece that it’s definitely him. We aren’t sure exactly how long ago the shattering started so it could be that Radhan was smaller and younger, and Margot was in his prime
Because his job is to drive the "git gud" point in your head early on. And then when you beat Morgott you can proudly proclaim that you gott gud
Lol clever.
This is now canon
deepest lore
How do you even come up with this gold
@@katacutie It is my power and my curse, my mind just connects words somehow
It's no wonder Morgott would have killed that dude: Those Omen under the Capital were likely his only friends for decades before he was released from the underground. Gaining an audience with him just to crow about how you'd had all of his bestest friends murdered wasn't going to win him any favors.
maybe even his family, note that the omen with the horns are royals(cos commoner omen have their horns remove, but royals dont and are kept underground).
Morgott and Mogh prob didnt have kids, so the omen underground are likely omen descendants of Godwyn's lineage.
@@Golemon_of_Cat Yeah I'm pretty sure the commoner omens are the ones guarding forts and castles like the one in Stormveil. However, I don't think we know exactly what makes somebody a noble so we can't say family for sure.
@@tear4442 The nobles are the omens full of horns that are only found in the undercapital, the commoners are those that have most if not all horns removed, which we see as those pink worts they have.
I don't think it's in character for Morgott to attack someone based on if they killed Omen. I mean he left them in the sewers and never gave them a second thought. I think what happened was that Morgott attempted to reveal to the NPC he was an Omen and the NPC got enraged and attacked him, then of course lost and died
@@extremelytraditionalistrom8539 I'm not so sure. The kindest thing that Morgott could do was make sure the other Omens were left alone. Aboveground, Omen hunters would hunt down any Omens and kill them mercilessly. In the sewers, however, they were left alone. In a world that had no place for them, Morgott gave them a place. It was by no means a paradise, but it was better than living their entire lives alone and afraid of being hunted down and slain. If he gave them a place aboveground, Omen hunters might have come and slain them, or ordinary people, fearing them, might have burned it to the ground. They lived in the sewers, someplace no one wanted to go, and because of that, they had safety.
I think it makes a lot of sense that he would come up with a sort alter ego that would allow him to join in the battle directly, just as you say. It did seem strange to me that an Omen would be king of Leyndell, great video bro
When u realize he was toying with u before
he was suppose to do more being a better person with different and other kinds of limited types but better than the tarnished
kill the lord of the blood with one first and see who is it that says what it need to do
My respect for him was already through the roof, but now it's even higher.
He's truly the erdtree's guardian.
Morgott, The Erdtree's Guardian.
He's still a horrible person though
@@arcanefire7511 How so?
@@vaclavsoukup7302 He agrees with all the evils that the Golden Order commits. Such as believing that Omen, misbegotten, albinaurics etc should be treated the way they are (genocided/enslaved), and supporting all the wars it has waged and atrocities it has committed. He should know as well s anyone how evil the golden order is, yet he's one of its most staunch supporters. Very interesting character.
@@arcanefire7511 no he's not
This reminds me slightly of what Isshin does in Sekiro, donning his mask to fight the enemies of Ashina incognito, as a kind of vigilante identity to pursue his aims in secret and avoid revealing his identity to the general public. The Veiled Monarch indeed, willing to spurn any glory for the sake of keeping the Erdtree protected at all costs. It's a shame that his own society ostracized Omen like him so horrifically, yet he still chose to love the Golden Order regardless, even if it showed no love for him, as his Remembrance description stated if I recall. Morgott truly is a fascinating and tragic character.
Batman
"Wilful traitors, all." For one to be captive and isolated under ground with shackle, I dont know if he being brainwash or just too loyal anymore.
i think Isshin put on the Tengu mask to further disincentivise invasion by the ministry. Everyone was scared of Isshin which held back the invasion, but he created another frigthening warrior as a means to maybe stall the invasion even after he succumbs to his disease.
@@ididntaskverified3663 Yup, I literally thought of Batman as well, and almost made that connection too haha, but it felt a bit much! Still, people in the capital know of the Fell Omen and how he defeats champions and Tarnished, so it almost fits in with the idea of Batman in Gotham, no one knowing he's a huge public figure! Fellman the Omen!
The story of Isshin and the Tengu is more meant to evoke a tradition in medieval Japan, where Emperors and Shoguns and Daimyo would routinely abdicate and retire in favor of their heirs, but nevertheless step back into politics. Genichiro was groomed to leadership and warriorhood by Isshin and Tomoe, and so he calls the shots in Ashina. He made the call to utilize the rejuvenating waters. But Isshin loves battle too much, loves to kill, and he just can't help himself to not become the Tengu.
Im sad we never got any incantations that he uses like the big gold hammer or the magic throwing knive throws/slashes
in due time
Yeah I bet we will in future dlc
Gavel of haima is pretty close
The weapons he summons are all weapons in the game the spear is the tree spear and and the hammer is the one tragoth uses, don’t know about the dagger or sword though
Edit: the dagger is an erdsteel dagger still don’t know about the sword
@@burntgrahamcracker2866 the daggers are Erdtree daggers
"Margit" as an undercover name for "Morgott" is topped perhaps only by the mysterious "El Barto"
great video btw!!
Same with renna and ranni. Bro just call yourself beth or something
I’m gonna hide my name Justin by calling myself Joston
Another good one was Ben Kenobi instead of Obi-Wan Kenobi
Thank God they paid George R.R. Martin to come up with such intelligent subterfuge. He must have been in a "nah, I'm not writing for years," kind of mood, but wanted a paycheck.
@@ShellShock794 I thought it was Larry Kenobi.
I think it’s interesting that there’s several characters that hide behind alternate identities;
Maliketh assumes the identity of the Beast Clergyman presumably after the Night of the Black Knives
Hoarah Loux takes on the new name of Godfrey when he becomes the Elden Lord,
Zorayas the serpent-person disguises herself as Rya the human scout for the Volcano Manor,
And when we first meet Ranni, she calls herself Renna most likely in an attempt to keep her secret safe.
There's also Radagon and Marika hiding the fact that they are the same person from everyone, Miquella going around disguised as Saint Trina, Gowry being either some entity that serves Rot God or the Rot God itself possessing the body of a pest disguised to look human, the fact that Millicent seems to be something akin to a clone of Malenia, the possible hinting that Melina and Ranni's identities are linked somehow/the theory that Melina could be the Gloam Eyed Queen, Hyetta having Irina's voice and body (suggesting she was either revived by the Frenzied Flame but left confused, or her body was taken over by Shabriri who proceeded to pretend to be a naive maiden), and Seluvis possibly just being a puppet vessel through which Pidia acts. D and his twin sharing one soul between two bodies is also strange, as well as Godwyn seemingly slowly "reproducing" through the spread of deathroot.
It seems like not just characters having alternate identities, but also there being sort of echoes/reflections/variations of characters is a very prevalent theme. It's very interesting, and gives the world a strange feeling, like you can never be for sure if the version of someone you see is their whole self, and also like the something is causing the essences of beings to reiterate, fragment, and combine in unnatural ways.
@@Alice9914Hyetta's quest can also only be done after Irina dies too
@@Alice9914 also Shabriri is Yura. Well, he says he took over Yura’s body or something but still… curious.
Interesting that the cut Viscount was called Shanehaight, it would stand to reason to assume that they were related to Kenneth Haight of Limgrave - a cadet branch perhaps?
Yeah, sounds like something Martin would write, like House Stark and House Karstark.
Also, Gideon Ofnir refers to him as the Veiled King. But I think it's metaphorical and he never appeared in public with a veil, no way he could have hide his omen condition this way.
"Veiled" is another term for "hidden", so yeah, he never shows up and certainly only gives out orders through messengers.
Unless he quite literally used something like the mimic veil to hide his condition or even appear as something else entirely.
He did, see the intro pic of him dabbing on Radahn.
About halfway through my first playthrough and Margot is my favorite character so far. He has my favorite line too.
"Have it writ upon thy meager grave: felled by King Morgot. Last of kings."
The simple "thou art of passing skill, warrior blood must truly run in thy veins" gets me every time. He goes from talking mad shit but gives respect when it's due lol. Kinda like Hoarah Loux but he never talks shit, he just beats your ass like a gentleman the whole time.
Have you met Rykard yet? Man I don't want to spoil anything but I was super impressed by his character... Especially if you pay attention to the NPC's/item descriptions/lore stuff leading up to him.. craziness
@fozzythasalesman6125 idk bro im not a fromsoftsexual so i dont pay autistic attention to item descriptions, and rykard was kinda underwhelming. Once i got passed the initial "oh holy shit so he is the serpent?" stage it became kinda lame. I was moreso just interested in what led him to his current condition than his actual character
Margit/morgott is just pure badass from his on-screen personality alone
Honestly I really wish the capital had semblance of life to it like having civilians, even if they were few, because it's the one place that wasn't utterly destroyed in the shattering, plus it would make it more immersive, after all, what's the point of becoming a lord if there's no one to lord over.
Lords exist to protect, usually, the people of their lands, but Morgott... Morgott protects the Erdtree, he's the Lord of Leyndell the only door to the Erdtree so he's the Guardian Lord of the Erdtree itself, the thing he wants to protect more than anything
There are civilians. Those guys that look like Gostoc NPC wear the "Commoner's Garb", so they're the citizens of the place, just armed and ready to kill like everything else.
I agree, it's one of my general criticisms of Elden Ring, that there are no civilization at all left (besides Jarburg I guess). I hoped they'd finally put in a peaceful living city or town in one of their games, but it's still complete undead apocalypse all over. Storywise it makes me question wtf everyone's even fighting over, a new Elden Lord will be the lord of ashes and ruins.
Leyndell is a great area though, my favorite so far in Fromsoft games probably.
@@tomorbataar5922 Considering most endings end with one finishing the job or bringing about more suffering or just downright ending the world...
But its to be presumed the commoners, soldiers and knights are still sentient. Just vastly loyal to their duty. Not everyone is very human or healthy looking due to the plethora of awful curses, disease, and god knows what else going around the Lands Between. Starvation and famine is likely common ehich ecplains the imaciated almost zombie like models for commoners, but the gsme clearly seperates Undead from humans. With Undead being skeletons or literal zombies.
Like you said though it would be cool to see an area with some life to it, but Fromsoft likes to save resources and likely didn't want to waste data on NPCs. All their dialogue, and tie quests to them. Their style has always been dystopia, and their efforts to portray villages... *Looks at Windmill Village* comes off as uncanny and disturbing.
The Crucible is broken and so everyone is caught in revival cycles, except the Demigods who have their own shards and can revive "whole" until someone steals it from them. There really is nobody left, everyone has some form of insanity, and Tarnished are the only ones who can escape that, it seems.
The way I understand it is the Tree is basically just a big computer, and the Lands Between are crashing so the Lord needs to turn it off and on again. Once the Erdtree is functional again life can return to the Roots, there will be new birth and the revival of Leyndell under its leaves can begin. If that sounds sinister that's because it kind of is, but it's still kind of the best deal in the Lands Between, so take it or leave it, I guess.
It would be neat to have Shanehaight added in a future patch, like Jar-Bairn. I've seen some people who are aware of the cut content describe the removal of him as "no inherent value lost", but I think it would be nice to have that little bit of extra contextualization for Morgott and his role in the capital.
Same, I'm all for more NPCs, live the game but it feels a bit empty sometimes, and he's like one of the only NPCs that it's just a normal citizens instead of a fighter, would been nice more of those around.
@@ElEscolta I think it’d muck with the tone of the capital for that to happen.
Poor Jar-Bairn. I hadn't read the patch notes, I swear! I didn't know to be on the look out for dialogue and just wanted to test out my new spears r2... RIP, friend I never met. Let us meet in NG+.
I think it’s for that reason that it’s cut. It’s not just “no inherent value lost” it also breaks froms pretty stellar track record of show don’t tell. You learn that Morgott is also called the veiled monarch, you learn that Margit led the nights cavalry, you learn that margit was once shackled in the capital underground, with each little piece you can put together the whole picture, and this NPC takes away from the value of all the little pieces because Shanehaight is the jigsaw put together
@@slothfacts9390 call me and idiot with no nuanced, but i would of preferred that instead of having to watch 3 lore videos on CZcams, I'm not that clever or with good memory to piece everything together unfortunately 😥
I find Mohg and Morgott both beautifully tragic characters. Both seek to find connection, by different means yet ironically are similar to each other at the end of the day. Mohg sought to begin a new dynasty, were all would share the same blood from the same mother, were there would no longer be prejudice from some being born of different races or of signs of omenhood. Instead all would share his and the formless mother's. Becoming a father of a new dynasty, where all would be omen and share the same cursed blood. Yet he was neglected by the only one, who would allow him to do so, despite all his gestures of kindness towards him and in his final moments reflects upon the idea of his dynasty, Mohgwyn were all would be friends of Mohg(Wyn means friends)
Morgott is the exact opposite of Mohg, where he believes that the only way to be loved, is not through kinship or through equality but through worth. Morgott believes love is earned through the worth you show someone and not by simply showing affection to someone, After all its the easiest rationalization as to why he's unloved by Marika. In his fight he states that thrones are stained by his curse, that the golden Lineage, one that was meant to be the greatest lineage of the lands between are stained by his CURSE but not by him. He believes that if he were to rid himself of it, he would be loved, that if he could rid himself of his stain he could stand together with his family and finally be loved. So he puts his cursed blood in his sword and desperately defends Erdtree in the belief that he would be rewarded for his struggles, he would get an audience with Marika and allowed to join his family. Yet sadly, its not that he fails like his brother but he simply is unloved. It doesn't matter if he defends Leyndell, even if he has the most major rune, even he seals his omen blood. The Greater will simply dismisses him because it doesn't approve of what he is. And so he lays defeated knowing no matter what he does he'll never be loved by the Greater will and by extension Marika, no matter what he does. And yet, at the end of his road. His father simply tells him "its been a long while, Morgott". To someone who was unloved and never shown any type of affection from anyone, no matter how much time he would spend trying to prove his worth, to show that he deserves love, that he has earned it and should be rewarded. yet was always shown that, its not that it wasn't enough, it just didn't matter. He's given it, he didn't have to join a war, hold some item of major importance or even seal off a part of himself for him. He was just given it. At the end of his life, perhaps Morgott realized that love cannot be earned, it can only be given through empathy, kindness and respect
P.S. you can read a God damn hour Russian literature, you will never convince me Godfrey, isn't the best character in the character in the game.
I am at the final boss of Farum Azula and still don’t know much about Godfrey. He is the first elden lord… and fuxked marika. Doesn’t seem to have done much else
To call what Mohg did to Miquella "signs of kindness" is really stretching it, to be honest
Uhhh pretty sure Mohg is a pedo racist there bud
@Kermit with an AK oki :)
I don't know how true it is though, Mohg is self evidently is a monster especially how he is basicly lusting after a little boy. In case of Morgott I think he is internalize his curse, as if he useing it as a weapen, not just metaphoricly. And interestingly he have pretty good holy resisctence and he is using holy incantiotions, so it is show me that he as a Omen indeed was able to gain some power from the Edrtree.
Morgott is such a wild character, I absolutely had not expected him to be one of the guys who I'd end up liking after playing through the game.
A bit detached, but the thing that interests me the most about his cutscene in Lyndell is that he is, to my knowledge, the only person in the game to verbally call Godrick by his chosen title, 'Godrick the Golden', aside from the demigod himself. he also seems to be somewhat amused at Miquella and Malenia's being considered prodigies, sounds disgusted by Rykard, and his voice is noticeably softer when he gets to Ranni, before getting harder again with his 'willful traitors, all' line
It sounded he had affection for the twins. Not amusement.
@@Xnosider I would have to listen again but considering that the pair were also twins born with terrible afflictions from the second union (Marika and Radogan). I think he’d find it amusing that when she has twins said twins suffer debilitating diseases or afflictions like he and Mogh do. If he did it would be kind of a vengeance mentality. “You cast us aside and yet when you got married again you still had the same issues if not worse”. Accept the biggest difference would be that miquella and Melania still got love I imagine, even if it was only from a brother sister bond, while Morgott and Mogh were tossed away underground. It would explain Mogh’s twisted ideas and Morgott’s desperation to guard the tree. Neither of them know affection or love and were most likely cast away under ground at a very young age, their parents ashamed of them.
@@absolutelydegenerate1900 Yeah I can see that. Good point. I will have to reconsider.
I noticed he called them by titles they no longer hold
"Godrick the golden" instead of Godrick the grafted
"Praetor Rykard" instead of Lord of Blaspheme and so on.
Sad to hear there were even more cut quests from the game, I think the Mimic Tear quest and this one in the capital were sorely needed, hopefully they will be added back in a future free update or DLC.
As for Morgott, Ofnir does state that he is sort-of invisible, as in not seen by the people, nobody knows how he looks, which makes total sense once its revealed he us Margit and that Fell Omens are hated and shunned by capital inhabitants and locked up in the sewers.
Makes sense why they would cut that character since it seems they wanted to make lyndel appear more rundown and show how its really only morgott keeping things running along. Any snooping noble or servant would be dead/wandering the lands between by the time our character arrives
I agree, but it might have been cool to just keep the last part where he is dying before you enter the boss room or something
I also think they might have axed it because too many players would've just killed him. Considering that how many memes exist of killing Varre because of "maidenless" or Kenneth being booted for being snooty, I really don't see this NPC surviving more than 5 seconds after the dialogue is over.
@@HellecticMojo that’s not really an issue, killing npcs is a pretty central part of rpgs and it’s ultimately the player’s choice
@@moonlightning8269 not really. Look at final part of Selen or Pidia. Most RPGs in general don't let you pick fights on your own accord.
I mean . . . it's basically just like Kenneth Haight. If they cut this Viscount for any practical reason it's more likely that they didn't want to build a castle for him just outside of Leyndell for him to inhabit.
morgoth is a boss I truly respect.
I really like bosses that act as player rivals.
appearing in a more advanced part to challenge you again with new moves.
but morgoth also has a very good VA and very good lore
More goth please.
If I had to venture a guess, one of the reasons the dialogue was cut entirely may be because it isn't adequately morally ambiguous. It gives the Erdtree and the people of Leyndell the appearance of being monsters with no counter example of decency. Not really Miyazaki's storytelling style, and that the Omens are hated was already conveyed in the item descriptions. So as soon as some speedbump in design happens about the character and quest not working out, it doesn't withstand the scrutiny of "Do we really want this in the game?"
which is even weirder consding that Martin, who they claim wrote the base of the world, is not above giving clearly black charters in a world normally gray. Which considering what they claim about Martin would indicate that this might have in fact been his idea.
Morgott is easily my favorite character in this game. Dude is completely unloved, locked away, brutalized. But yet still loves. His sense of duty, in spite of what was done to him, marks him as one of the rare, true heroes in the Lands Between. His faith, even when he was spurned by what he believes in, while tragic, marks him as true. Even his self-loathing, his view that he tarnishes the very throne he sits on just be existing, is relatable and heart-string pulling. He SHOULD have been Lord, accepted by all and ruling over a refreshed Golden Age. But prejudice and blind adherence to dogma keep a good and noble ruler in the shadows, ever hidden.
Killing him is physically painful to me. He deserves so much better. But die he must, that we might bring down the age that cursed him. Tragedy, though beautiful.
Very good, you've clearly laid everything out here and dispelled some grey areas, so the Fell Omen is very much like the Tengu of Ashina. It's frustrating that such a rich questline was cut, and I would've liked to have encountered him more in the field as a boss invasion, like the Pursuer in Dark 2.
This also gives some context to the seemingly out of place Omen Twins boss fight. It was probably meant to take place down in the sewers as part of this questline. When the questline got cut, they were repurposed and put in front of the divine tower.
That kinda makes me like Morgott and Godfrey more. I really like that Morgott interact with us a lot and it is very cool. And Godfrey seems really like his son and even hold him in the arms when we meet him.
Gideon calls him the "Veiled Monarch".
Though we lost that cut NPC, that title suggest he was known to cover himself in public, definetly to not let anyone know his Omen nature.
Granted, some people would have probably been suspicious of a guy who suddenly showed up out of nowhere and never fully showed his body that made himself King... but I guess his Great Rune was proof enough of his lineage.
Or it's a reference to the Mimic Veil, perhaps Morgott used it to disguise his appearance before Godrick stole it when he fled Leyndell
@@PatPeez Ooh, that's clever! That would certainly seem to be a likely public cover.
Veiled can also mean "Hidden", "Concealed" or "Expressed in an Indirect way." Perhaps he never appeared in public, and acted indirectly through agents and proxies. His true identity a mystery to all.
The bit about pilling corpses up high also matches with the description of a Sword Monument on Leyndell's Outskirts, which has that same piece of dialogue, of how the Fell Omen pilled the corpses of invaders after the Wars of the Shattering.
That cut content is so eye opening. Thanks for the insightful video Ratatoskr!
Man I love your videos. I go so far in the world without touching on the story lines and I have a hard time keeping them straight and I also miss a great deal, but I feel like the world is much deeper than it feels like in the moment. Thanks for helping us out with this.
Man your videos are awesome, watching it multiple times! Drawing and listening!
Always on the lookout for you dropping a video 📹 👀 👌
Great video. It really felt like something was missing with all the omenkiller stuff going around, and that cut content really puts it together.
you title these videos with the question you're answering!!!! subscribed
Ratatoskr, you're ER content is my favorite. Rats off to ya!
Great video! Very informative. I also loved the music choice. I get chills everytime I hear Chrono trigger's OST.
do you know which song it is at the end?
secret of the forest!
I’m glad you made this video. I always wondered about the tie between the two
Really fascinating knowing this now. Thank you for this video. This game is so amazing it just continues to pay you the more you dive into the world and actually pay attention to things
Chrono Trigger background music deserves a like. Love your lore videos in general, but that music really just got me.
Feel like we needed more NPCs like this, i mostly believed the capital was empty, knowing there's a nobility would of been nice.
Pretty sure the capital sort of was empty, that's probably why this NPC didn't make into the final release
I love the lore in this game. Thank you for bringing this out. Also, love the choice of music. Nier replicant is one of the best sound tracks out there🤗!
Great video. After MadLuigi's take about Morgott, I thought there would be nothing new on the table, but bringing this dialogue from cut content was very interesting to the subject.
Interesting. I wonder why they cut out content like this. It adds so much more clarity to a few points in the lore. Either way, well done! I always wondered about this.
i really really enjoy your content, mr ratatoskr sr. both takes on the game and community affairs and lore (worldbuilding straight-up like this, as well as theme analysis etc) 👍👍👍 keep at it
yooo this is dope
Very good video would watch again
It's always nice to hear Chrono Trigger music in the background of a video, even when it's not Chrono related.
Big big love for the Song of the Ancients - Devola OST for the background music. Soo amazing!
Great video, the cut content sheds some light on morgott's peculiar status as king of leyndell.
I have just one observation I'd like to put out. I don't think it's radahn that morgott defeats as Margit in the intro. If it is radahn, it'd make him the only demigod to be featured in the intro twice. It would also open a whole can of worms, the mightiest demigod being defeated by an omen would be a scandal, even more so when you take into account that Margit is morgott holding back, and Malenia the prodigy of combat being forced to unleash the scarlet rot to be tied with radahn's power would make little sense if morgott could beat him casually. It's also worth pointing out that the size doesn't seem to match and that the tusks seem to be missing from the helmet.
Imo, it makes much more sense that the image depicts Margit killing one of rykard's champions, we know that rykard's knights also wore red manes and that morgott's and rykard's armies fought the most horrendous battle of the shattering against one another.
Just because you see them throwing hands, and Margit on top, doesn't mean he won or that the scene we are seeing is the end of their fight.
I'd just like to add that you saying Morgott was holding back as Margit is pure headcannon. Margit is just a fake identity. Him fighting as Margit doesnt mean he isnt capable of dishing out just as much pain as when we fight him calling himself Morgott. There could be a possible strength discrepancy if hes projecting himself through some kind of magic as we see in game but theres no evidence to support he fought Rahdan as a Grace projection. The omen are extremely powerful in their own right and he is so much more than just some run of mill omen. Hes a demi-god, the direct descendant of Godfrey the first human Elden Lord, and a shardbearer to boot. We also know that Rahdan was not always the man-mountain we fight him as by the fact that his throne in Leyndell is comparably human sized. It was likely his great rune that caused the transformation. So I don't see why Morgott going toe to toe with Rahdan as we see in that image is problematic at all. In fact there is a reason why Morgott Last of all kings is ruling over the graveyard of a world his family created and that is because he is on par with the strongest beings we see in game.
@@kalzero3319 you're correct, the way I worded it was misleading. I support that Margit is morgott holding back not because of unsubstantiated assumptions on the nature of Margit, but because his cursed sword is sealed within his walking cane. An argument could be made for Margit using less complex techniques, but that could be blamed on gameplay balancing. His cursed sword is an explicit lore-accurate power boost though, and he isn't using it in the image. It's also worth pointing out that Margit/morgott uses none of his omen abilities, until he's forced to do so.
The problem is that despite their power, omen are reviled and no one could have known that Margit was a demigod. So a demigod, let alone the heralded mightiest demigod, being defeated by what people perceived as a lowborn omen would had been a huge scandal, and there's no way nothing of the sort is mentioned anywhere in game if that had happened.
As for radahn's size, both the trailer and intro depict him as a mountain in the battle of aeonia which took place during the shattering. The timeline is vague though, and it could be possible that radahn grew rapidly in size during the shattering, though personally I think that's a stretch.
I'm unfamiliar with the theory that great runes alter the characteristics of their bearers, but from what I've seen it's pretty much the opposite. Both mohg's and malenia's great runes are visibly altered by blood and rot respectively, and even godrick's rune appears more golden than the rest. But I could be wrong, if you have more information on this I'd like to hear it.
@@playmsbk I didn't take the sword into consideration but I agree that would a factor as far as battle strength goes. I'm not married to the idea that Radahn grew because of the great rune I just don't see a whole lot of explanation on why he was the size he was in his battle with Malenia and his boss fight and not in the image of him fighting Morgott. The throne is what really bothers me. It was made for a big guy sure but not the monster we see in-game. Radagon was his father and the only reason he could have had giant DNA in the first place(red hair) and he didn't randomly transform into a giant. The only factor I can see is the acquisition of the great rune and it does line up somewhat in the timeline. We know that he was regular sized when he attacked Leyndell and super sized when he fought Malenia. If you can think of any other reason he transformed other than the great rune which boosts FP, HP, and stamina I'd be interested in hearing it. As for the we didn't hear about the scandal of Radahn getting beat by Margit the fell Omen I'd argue that there's a million blanks left to fill in lore-wise that are way more important and with this we at least get a specific image that depicts this event. All things considered I'd say this was Fromsofts way of telling us that happened.
@@kalzero3319 I have no alternative cause to why radahn became huge, I only have indications against it being the great rune. Radahn learned gravity magic in order to be able to ride his old horse as he was getting bigger, and then he used said gravity magic to conquer the stars, but that was before the shattering, which means that radahn was getting bigger before he received the great rune. Though I have no concrete answers, the thrones appear to be made of golden light and could be representations of the demigods' position and not functional thrones.
My point is that radahn is a big deal and is lauded by everyone, even people who were not affiliated with him, as the mightiest demigod. His reputation would be ruined if he was beaten by an unknown omen, and wouldn't carry over to our age as it does. Of course I recognize this is probably the weakest of my points.
Swear I just want longer videos from you
Hey dude. Amazing lore videos recently, so I was wondering if you have any plans on doing anything lore related to the Ancient Dragons? There is so much to them.
A litle bit in the next video.
@@ratatoskr6324 hell yeah dude! Quality on these are top notch!!
It is even more tragic that to earn an audiance with Morgott, you have to kill numerous omens. He truly despised his kin, his own nature. Maybe he thought that if he were to be the last omen alive and that his actions were all for the good of the golden order, he would finally have love and acceptance.
Truly a fascinating character.
Ranni gives you a different name at first, as well.
In her case she doesn’t seem to expect to see you again, and is surprised when you find her later
I think Margit's line when felled "Cower in fear, of the Night the hands of the Fell Omen shall brook thee no quarter." is also hint at the fact that the Tarnished has to face him again as Morgott near the end of the game.
@Charles Hastings Yeah, he talks about them. He says "hands", so multiple ones, and also that they would only appear at night.
Plus the nights cavalry serves Morgott.
There isn't much room left for soeculation here lol.
If Ratatoskr is answering a question, I know its not gonna be some theoretical bs. Knew this video was gonna be good.
Man..I feel like this is a huge piece of content to leave on the cutting room floor. It basically explains a huge part of who Morgott is and what his motivations are. Without it, it's all just up to players speculation. Which, obviously isn't new to Souls..but still, I really wish they'd left that in. Fascinating video.
I don't like that they cut this. It gives so much more meaning to all the enemies and the areas you go through and gives the player insight into how the residents of the capital viewed their king and what morals they obeyed to.
It was probably unfinished by the time the game was ready to release. However, they might add some quests in the future since they ended up finishing a few in recent patches.
This is absolutely fascinating stuff!
I wonder why they ever cut this storyline in the first place. It explains so much about Leyndell, but then again FromSoft probably wanted us to piece it together with the Omen Bairn, Regal Omen Bairn and Margit Shackle items.
But the cut character really makes it clear as crystal.
Excellent video ! You explained everything wonderfully 😗.
My only remaining question would be regarding Mohg in the Sewers… as we are told by Varre that Mohg is still ‘sleeping near the Divinity” (Godwyn ?) / underground.
So what are we actually battling in “Mohg, the Omen” ?
I like how the cut dialogue says "You have our own home" as opposed to "You shouldn't exist in this world!! You are a disgrace to our kind!"
It shows that while the people of the Capital don't like Tarnished being in Leyndell; they recognise that Tarnished have a place in the world, it's just that Leyndell is not considered one of them
Apartheid - Elden Ring edition
Very much true to life of many real racists!
“I don’t HATE such and such… I just think they belong in their homeland, not muddying things up with our kind.”
this also adds to other exposition that implies the greater will and outer gods ONLY focus on the island the game takes place on.
@@jamesohearn2364 I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying that it's much better than the alternative
@@jamesohearn2364 So if I'm raycis roight, how come I luvs me a kebab and a shawarma ey?
Das rite. Thoght so mate.
Love your videos
And then there’s mohg quite the opposite of his brother Morgott
I find Morgott a very honorable character. Despite him being an omen and shunned by his family and people, he still rules and suffers in silence. Even going as far as to fight on the frontlines as a great king should, putting his life on the line for the Erdtree. That makes it even more sad that he cannot let his people know he is an omen, and despite being a great leader and warrior, his people would still shun him for being an omen.
Fantastic video! Btw what was the track used in the background after the nier one? It aounds so familiar and I cant seem to remember
The Haight we meet in game might be the Shanehaight that got cut, just toned down and put in a more appropriate place, seeing as their quests are incredibly similar.
So he's sort of like Batman. Very famous person with an alter ego so he can fight without people knowing his true identity
watching this video with subtitles and no audio is golden
I feel sorry for Morgott, even more after having read the description of his remembrance: "Though born one of the graceless Omen, Morgott took it upon himself to become the Erdtree's protector. He loved not in return, for he was never loved, but nevertheless, love it he did." I still have to find out why the omens are born cursed and what exactly that curse means or does, but what a cruel life they have to live for something they have no control over :(
Thanks for the video!
The Omen are forsaken by the erdtree, so they can't return to it when they die. The omen curse also seems to render someone soft-immortal (can be killed, but wont die otherwise) and all their descendants/possible next lives are also omen.
Thematic but not confirmed, is three other things: the omen are connected to the crucible (horns are a common theme in crucible lore), the ancestral worship stuff (mentions budding horns and a general worship of horns) and Dung Eater's seedbed curse (the item itself is covered in horns, and his armor is made in the likeness of the omen. He is also described as having the soul of an omen but not the body). If the latter connection means the seedbed curse is the omen curse, then Dung Eater's ending is ultimately just to turn everyone into an omen - if everyone is cursed, nobody is, and nobody would be shunned and reviled. Which makes his ending not as awful as it sounds at first.
I thought this was the case for omen, & the king, but this makes everything perfectly clear. Thank you!
Love that he appears as a regular enemy outside Leyndell, really caught me by surprise
This can even been seen as him patrolling the no man's land and protecting the capital undercover, hidden to keep his true nature!
Because first you need to Margit Gud and his name changes once you Morgott Gud.
why does Morgott when defeated, have his omen curse removed? This really threw me for a loop. I thought the omen curse was something irreversible and innate.
if it is "the greater will rewarding Morgott for his duty to the erdtree/order", then this shows the greater will has the power to remove the omen curse...? then why is it so reviled by the golden order.....? This has definitely confused me
It will either revealed in a DLC or stay as one of the eternal mysteries. But, I like to think that it was a reward for life-long service: Morgott dies as a human, instead of something he himself hates.
Considering that horn removals are often fatal, it could be that the curse was also what was keeping him alive. If dying, no such considerations are necessary.
I wish they added this cut content, namely because I think that Lyndell capital could of used a new NPC or two to give further context to the lore for the area.
I have no idea why I couldnt have figured that out on my own but I just didnt understand why Morgott introduced himself as Margit the fell omen. Now it makes so much sense! Thank you for this video!
Margit/Morgott is one of my favorite characters in ER because his story is so terribly sad. & he has in my opinion some of the best dialogue in the game.
Is that Frog’s theme in the background? Clever
The fact that Ofnir calls Morgott the Veiled Monarch also gives us a hint about the cloud of mystery that he created around his figure to conceal his true identity
I don't know why Fromsoft cut the npc quests, many of the cut npc quests is so important to understand many aspect of the lore. Some even have finished dialogues... To save time? With the success I hope they would add it all back in the future(some of the updates add more npc quests)
They added that new jar npc quest the continues after Alexander. Even updated Patches questline with him wanting to set up shop again with more gear.
Almost certainly to save time. With all of the cut content the game would have looked a whole lot better and some quests would make way more sense. Milicent being an amnesiac Malenia would have been so good for the game and made that fight far more impactful.
@@jerrywheyland7324 To save time they would have simply not made the content in the first place. I reckon it's a lot more likely they did it as they were worried about overwhelming the players with too many NPC quests to track.
@@jerrywheyland7324 Pretty much every game has "cut content". In fact it's an essential part of an extremely popular and effective design methodology called iterative design. The short explanation is that rather than designing the entire game before ever touching a game engine, the developer designs the game as they build it, occassionally stopping to assess what works and what doesn't, and cutting the fat along the way.
A developer who insists on pursuing every idea and including every scrap of content just to justify the time spent making it would inevitably produce a bloated game where no one part of the design has room to shine (less is more and all that). Much like reducing the word count of an essay before submitting it is an essential part of academic writing, cutting content from a game is an essential part of game development.
So yeah I doubt Fromsoft cut content from the game to "save time" it's far more likely that it was a deliberate design decision on their part, like cutting Vicount Shanehaight from Leyndell in order to better fit the delapidated vibe of the capital.
@@connorm7915 you’re totally right
i think we should put some extra effort in discovering why malenia and radhan were fighting, and why did malenia go on that crusade against him, it still puzzles me, it could besuspicions on who kidnapped miquella, but i don't have sure answers
in general we just know demigods in general did the shattering war to attempt to claim the right of succession but that's not it here
btw i think that the runes didn't have the power they hold in gameplay originally when taken by the demigods, more like they acquired more specific "contaminations" from who woned them, so yes they gave them generic "power", like radhan's, if you think it in character that rune would make you "super human", or godrick's
but malenia's and the one of rykard very probably got """infected""" by their owner, like a bed that keeps your shape after using it a lot
mohg's palace being directly below caelid lends to the theory that she was looking for miquella
@@grandfather3978 didn't connect the two things actualy
that's very probable, alsco beacause there's an entrance for the siofra there, probably she felt his presence and went there with her men, this probably caused attrition with radhan's authority so the battle happened
This definitely feels like they changed how Leyndell looked and that it originally was less disheveled and destroyed as we see it in game and maybe even still a prosperous and put together city despite the shattering
I think it would've been interesting if there was a version if him before each demigod
I quite enjoyed this video! It makes me curious though: what ARE the Tarnished? Why have they been seemingly brought back from the grave by the Greater Will? What is it about the Tarnished we meet that can help narrow down what the criteria are for being chosen? What makes them prime targets for grafting materials? And perhaps one of the most relevant questions here: how can characters easily glance at us and know we're Tarnished?
It does seem random. Like black guard bogart was a thug who had no interest in anything but self preseveration, and hes not even that strong as a warrior, the description on his helm even implies he prefers intimidation over straight up fighting. As for how they can tell, i think its implied that non tarnished have some kind of golden aura about them that they can see, where as the tarnished are graceless.
The Tarnished are people/their descendants from The Lands Between who lost the Grace of Gold or had it taken from them, and were banished from The Lands Between. The Greater Will has grown desperate for the Elden Ring to be mended so that it can continue its hold over The Lands Between and returned the Grace of Gold to a random selection of Tarnished that MIGHT have the potential to fix the Elden Ring.
Godrick is probably grafting Tarnished to make that potential, their strength, and their Grace his own. He's always been the weakest of the demigods and is doing everything he can to make himself stronger and "return together to our home, bathed in rays of gold." I suspect he's talking about returning to Leyndell.
People with the Grace of Gold have a golden glow in their eyes, based on how much Grace they have. Look at the icons for the higher ranks of consumable runes: they start looking more and more like an eye.
"I am Margit"
"Who dat"
Later
"This whole time, I was actually Morgott."
".....who dat."
Shanehaight possibly kenneth haight who has been repurposed?
i hear that good old crono trigger BG music. great job
30 hours in and i finally get to know what the heck ive been playing
ok when that music hit tho
There is a stone sword stuck in the ground at Leyndell Outskirts before you meet the draconic tree sentinel that talks about Margit killing the invaders during the shattering.
The Chrono Trigger music was a good touch
Hey great explanation. Could you also do one on why there is another Mogh hiding in the sewers guarding the entrance to the frenzied flame?
I was originally thinking that Margit was somehow a derogatory nickname of sorts because it was used while being described as a fell omen while morgot was his real or “royalty” name.
The shackle you can use against Margit/Morgott is called Margits shackle. The shackles are from when they were younger. Which leads me to believe he was using that alias for a long time, and maybe even the people who imprisoned him didn't know the truth. Interesting Mogh never adopted an alias, which could suggest Morgott did it by his own choice.
That's a very good point. It could also be that the game simply didn't want to spoil it but I think that theory might be right.
Been waiting forever to see how others connected the dots of Margit and Morgott
Thanks for this insightful video. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.
By the way, did you say "Night's Calvary" instead of "Night's Cavalry"?
I can't help but chuckle every time someone pronounces "cavalry" - which are soldiers who fight on horseback - as "calvary" - which is a representation of the crucifixion and the name of the place it supposedly took place in.
I'm not a religious person by any means, but these happen to be two vastly different things with fairly similar names, making it rather funny if the pronounciation of the two get mixed up.
What game is the background song you have playing from?
Good stuff
*Put these foolish ambitions to rest...*
Sad that they cut this Shanehaight character. Like others have said, I think it would have given some nice further context to Morgott/Margit.
By the way, when I first booted up my physical PS4 version, I was without internet, so I played my game completely un-updated. The soldiers in front of the Stormgate actually dropped Morgott soldier equipment instead of Godrick soldier equip. It was weird, but interesting. As if they were at some point planning to foreshadow the dual identity of Margit.
until this video, ive never been entirely convinced of margit and morgot being the same person. ive never been against the idea, it always looked plausible to me, but nothing I saw entirely convinced me. this video is what has finally convinced me. having an actual reason why he has 2 names and presents himself as a different person. before this the most compelling argument was the fact that both shackles work on both bosses, along with a handful of general design principles I expect from fromsoft
I don't know how you mistake Morgott and Margit as different person, the dialogue after defeating Margit already indicates that he's coming back, you can also encounter him again at the capital outskirts as a mob. Finally Morgott and Margit has exactly the same apperance, movesets, voice and even says the line "Put these foolish amibtions to rest".
@@vaultboy3706 I always interpreted them as twin Omens. My impression was that Margit was the weaker, relegated to the outskirts, and that Morgott had the greater conviction and held himself closer to the throne.
The interpretation of them as twins and not as the same person outright is pretty easy to make
@@nudgarrobot3043 But the twin is Mohg, so that would hurt the theory. Unless you're thinking they're triplets.
@@nudgarrobot3043 Twins in Fromsoft games has always been opposite.
Lorian - Knight
Lothric - Sorcerer
Malenia - Warrior
Miquella - Wise
Morgott - Has a tail, fast and agile.
Mohg - Has wings, slow and spams cum.
if you kill margott first and go back to fight margit in stormveil he won't be there (and morgott will give you the talisman pouch + remembrance instead of just the remembrance)
I would really appreciate a vid about how Mohg is in the sewers AND Siofra. As well as why when you kill one, the other is still in the other location. Its unlike how if you kill Morgott the Margit fight won't happen so what's the deal with Mohg?
It’s more than likely just a gameplay oversight, but it could be explained through lore too I think. It seems that Omens have ways to project themselves through others somehow, which makes sense given the name. Maybe Mohg’s is a copy of himself meant to facilitate his escape to Siofra, possibly through the deeproot depths? Rather than a projection he maintains, this could be a lesser clone of himself meant to act as a decoy, whereas Margit is a manifestation controlled directly by Morgott, hence why when he dies it dissipates. Remember that Mohg the Omen is already in the arena when we enter, but both Margit fights begin with him entering battle with us.
Morgott is my favourite character in Elden Ring. He is up in the same level as Artorias and papa Gale.
The background music from Chrono Trigger makes this video 12 times more enjoyable.