Rachel & Tino Discuss Him Cheating On Her and They Break Up
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- čas přidán 27. 09. 2022
- Rachel and Tino reunite for an emotional conversation about Tino kissing another woman while he and Rachel were still engaged.
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I didn't like tino from the very start but it's also hard to sympathize with Rachel since she chose him with all of his red flags over the other guys who really cared for her.. something about her is also off.
Exactly
she doesn't have to tolerate him kissing someone else.
They’re literally the same person. That’s why this went so badly. They both have the exact same personality.
If a man will cheat on you when your engaged then he’s certainly going to cheat when he’s married
true
That’s for sure
This just doesn’t feel right at all. Neither of them seem okay. This is just so off.
Both have issues
That's because the network, producers and show bosses need to stick to a narrative and if you pay close attention, you will discover that they are covering something up about their lead bachelorette and making the man (emasculating) the man for doing something she has been doing all season. Kissing other people.
@@sunnyreads1845 I know I was thinking but she slept with another dude. She did the same thing that Clayton did and still bashes him every chance she has.
@@sunnyreads1845 you couldn’t be more accurate 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
When they said he cheated on Rachel I thought they meant he had slept with another girl. Come to find out, if we are to believe him, all he did was kiss another girl, and then realized the enormity of his mistake. This was at a time after the show was over, but before the finale had been broadcast, and he was under contract not to reveal that he was engaged to Rachel until the conclusion of the show was aired. What he did, albeit after he had become engaged, but also after Rachel had revealed second thoughts about whether this pairing would ever work out, and he thought the relationship was over, before he ever kissed the girl, which by the way was something that Rachel had been doing for weeks, kissing different men in order to see whether there was chemistry between them, hoping to hear each of them express their love for her, and now she wants to break up with Tino for doing the exact same thing, which he expressed that he realized and regretted the enormity of his action as soon as he had done it! He stopped himself from going any further! He didn’t sleep with the girl! I am sure many people have felt unjustly accused of doing something they had not yet done, and then proceeded to go through with what they had been accused of to spite the one who had misjudged them prematurely! And then felt remorse for what they had done because they had now stopped to the very level that they had been accused of in the first place! I better stop now, because I’m rambling, but let me end now by saying that Tino is the one who dodged a bullet here, not Rachel (who I had previously sympathized with prior to watching this video!) She is definitely some Tammy Winette who “stands by her man!” I have more respect for Hillary in the Monica-gate drama than I do for Rachel! If anyone had reason to end their relationship it was Hillary, but she didn’t want to throw out the good because of the bad! Rachel was the one who has been having emotional affairs with other men, and apparently one or two physical ones as well, during the taping of the show! Tino was never my front runner during the show, but she managed to dispense with all them and Tino was the last man standing!
I'm not really a fan of Rachel but he kept calling the cheating as "tiny" I would be even more upset too. Not only did he cheat but no accountability
“WE WERE ON A BREAK!”
That line is in my head!!! Ross and Rachel reference!!!
Annnnd this is how “Lust” ends, not “Love”
is this comment section real.......how are any of you finding any excuse to sanitize or rationalize what Tino did? he's literally a grown man and people still point to Rachel for the blame? Rachel was at home and he was off with another woman in a restaurant breaking every promise he made to her when he proposed. Hecould have broken off the engagement before he kissed another woman and broke Rachel's trust. Don't defend men like this when they would never defend women lol (like how people are pointing to Rachel for Tino's cheating.... he is just sorry because he got caught) :)
Right? Male identified women in the comment section. They will excuse any kind of poor behavior from men and pin it all on the women. Even when HE is the one admitting he was wrong and that he kissed another woman
So. Any accountability for Rachel saying she won't wear the ring and whatever other awful things she said to him prior to him kissing another gal? We will never know. But words matter. He at least apologized for his bad behavior. She did not apologize for hers.
Ikr! Tino is a gaslighting cheater. There is no defending him.
The situation is that none of us know the truth of either side. Just like in any relationship. It's all speculation.
@@colettespencer3357 Exactly!
Are they both high?! That was the weirdest conversation ever
Yeah, they're both immature. Yeah, they both have issues. Yeah, they could've gone about this relationship differently. Still doesn't justify cheating.
Frankly, they are both immature. When Aven said that he didn’t want to rush an engagement, Rachel got upset because she wanted an engagement right away. That is a sign of immaturity and a red flag. Aven was right at that moment.
the whole point of the bachelor franchise is that at the end you get an engagement tho? it's not immature to want that and to be upset about it your SO doesnt want that
@@awaholswilder9271 That’s why the majority of the relationships have failed.
Absolutely it makes me so mad to see people act like marriage is a game when it means everything to me
@@etherealfoxproductions in the long run she’ll regret it.
Agreed but unfortunately some people have to learn the hard way cough Rachel
We got nothing out of this whole conversation 🤔
Even if this had not happened, they would not have lasted. I'm sorry, but Rachel is not very likeable. What Tino did was wrong, but she comes across as someone who isn't very compassionate or accommodating. Good luck to both of them in healing and moving on from this.
I can't wait til their contracts are up and he goes on a podcast and spills the beans. lol.
He just did his first inter w Dave Neal on here! She wasn’t the victim, she was distant as hell
Rachel!! There are other ways to make a partner think the relationship is over. Telling them that you won't wear his ring is one of them.
Exactly!
Exactly
But he acknowledged that he knew they were not broken up
Hmm...After what Zach said and now with what Tino's saying, I think Rachel's lying at least about some stuff. Cheating is wrong...but lying is also wrong. I would rather be with someone who messes up like Tino did but comes clean and says sorry than with someone who lies, can't own their mistake like Tino did, and is manipulative like Rachel. You can hear her almost finish saying, "You're not going to make me look like the bad guy." I think that very revealing...
Tino said that too
Idk what it is but she's so cold and manipulative to me! Like You want the truth & got it but are still searching for something else argumentative (knowing he was codependency issues and has 1000 thoughts in his head but then again how do you really know a person after only a couple months)😭 TINO run & dont look back buddy cuz you need a different type loving😂😂😂
AMEN to that. Poor dude
She won't anwser when he ask does she want this to work out. Won't wear the ring. Wasn't really cheating.
Rachel can't have a normal conversación, imagine being with her forever.
That's likely what spooked Zach, and she pushed Tino away being in love with Aden, but was in love with the ring, engagement and getting married, when Aden couldn't give it to her NOW when she wanted, she couldn't compromise and broke up with him and settled for Tino for the ring. THEN he realized what she was all about and fell out of love with her like Zach did and kissed another girl while she was kissing, necking, banging, sleeping with other men. She is a damn fool! He can't even sit with her for 30 minutes because SHE LIES! She's an unauthentic liar.
I would be so exhausted I'd go cheat... lol.
Yah
Rachel all season just felt so self centered, she made so many of the guys feel like they weren't loving her enough. She just seems like the type of person that constantly needs big gestures or else something is wrong. It also just seemed like no matter what Tino would've said or done, she was ready to walk out of that relationship, just like every time she met even a minor speed-bump on the show
So, I’m sorry, that makes what Tino did ok? In my book, there’s NOTHING to justify cheating on someone (and yes, kissing another woman counts as cheating). If you’re not happy in the relationship you’re in, that’s fine, but LEAVE before starting the next one
@@elizabethheim1130 Rachel told him she couldn't wear his ring anymore, sounded a lot like a break up to him, so from his perspective she was unhappy, ended the relationship and he got drunk and kissed a girl thinking his relationship had ended. If he was a girl, we would say YAS GURL! YOU DRINK AND PARTY CUZ YOURE SINGLE! 🤣
@@Helen-ch1gb he told the girl he cheated with that he was engaged so... he was definitely aware
@@minumeylihe told her he wasn’t sure where they stood
100% She's very intense, difficult to communicate with has a very high opinion of herself.
They gaslit each other in my opinion the relationship was just immature and we all saw the red flags.... literally had this go on in my last relationship, not with the same issues they had but finding ourselves having the same arguments. Just lots of karmic energy
Cheating is wrong. 100%. And she’s not entitled to forgive him and regardless of what she did, cheating is wrong. If you’re unhappy, just leave, don’t cheat.
But at the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if Rachel was causing a lot of problems within their relationship as we all assumed she would based on her overall behavior this season. Whatever Rachel is behind the camera is one I think like Zach, Tino met.
ALWAYS LISTEN TO YOUR PARENTS ADVISE, SAME THING HAPPENED TO MITCHELL. NAYTEZ DAD TOLD HER HE'S NOT READY BUT SHE WENT AHEAD. ALL IN ALL I KNEW TINO WOULDN'T LAST AND AGAIN RACHEL IS SO MANUPULATIVE IN HER CHARACTER
I really think rachel is someone else before camera abd behind…zach already saud that and now tino…not that its ok what he has done, but they played him much worse in my opinion…but…i dont like both of them…
I was thinking that when Zach said she was a different person behind cameras. Except he thought that the TV Rachel was the real one, when in fact it was the no camera one that's the real Rachel.
Rachel is a big-time power player. it's tough to be her partner.
I think she is a narcissist. He called her out. Thank god he journal's her bs. Zach was totally derailed by her as well. Left her in the fantasy suite. She is gaslighting.
He reacted to her pushing him away.
100%
Let’s see if you’d allow your partner to cheat on you and use that as an excuse
I feel bad for Tino... he's having an anxiety attack and that's why hes acting the way he is. Its hard to think clearly
Nope. He's a narsissist. He showes all the signs.
You feel bad for Tino, when he's the only one that CHOSE to cheat? His ego needs attention, because he's unsure of himself, and he will keep looking for validation (aka cheating) until he realizes that his ego is not actually who he really is. Self acceptance is in the far distant future for desperate for attention..Tino. Tit for tat is always a sign of emotional immaturity.
@@mailto5319she chose to give him back the ring….
Did you feel bad fir him when he chose to cheat? Where was his anxiety then 😂
What are you even saying. He’s not having an anxiety attack. His words are clear and his heart rate doesn’t appear elevated.
I believe him. And he made total sence.
Omg! It’s Kristin and Marcus old home in LA 😅😅 my mind is blown
My take on this is that they're both beautiful humans but they both have some issues. and both have some manipulative tendencies. Perhaps that's why they were drawn to each other. They're somewhat similar in their personalities. Not being mean. I like them both but they both need to grow before they're ready.
His trying to blame her for him cheating😮😳😡WOW😒that’s a red flag right there….cut your losses & go girl..he ain’t worth it,his not genuine.The fact that he says I thought we were done,& then he moves on immediately🙄🙄🙄SAYS ALOT…he is a LIAR,HE NEVER LOVED HER.
I think Rachael has a lot of emotional issues and is not wanting to make her at fault as well. this doesnt makes sense to me. She is at fault too.
I’m on his side on this one.
All she heard when he started talking was I kissed another girl
"WE WERE ON A BREAK!"
This goes so deep. I think Tino felt the need to "act out" because Rachel stopped paying as much attention to him and he no longer felt loved because she needed so much space from him. She triggered his underlying codependency issues. His way of communicating his needs going unmet was to be unfaithful to Rachel because he was too codependent to just call off the engagement or wait it out to get answers at a later date. So I'm not condoning his behavior. But I see this as an attention seeking behavior. He wants to know if Rachel still cares as evidenced through her jealousy. This validates his codependent need to feel seen, desired, and valued as a man. He doesn't have the self esteem or communication skills necessary to be up front that although he loves her he can't just wait around for her to feel like being with her fiance now and then and then need a bunch of space and still expect him to hang around.
We're all busy and tired adults. But when you're in love your significant other is a person you can't help but show desire for spending time with even if you're busy or tired. So it was feeling one sided for him and she gave him threats and ultimatums and his ego was fragile so he sought comfort elsewhere. Not a nice thing to do but also when you live in a narcissist's tornado you do tend to start treating others narcissistically trying to cone to grips and get out of the tornado as it swallows your soul🌪.
She probably feels blind sided as she may have been used to partners sitting around waiting for her and staying loyal while she rejects and deflects blame onto them while they just take it in stride hoping she'll come back and give as much as she gave to the relationship during the love bombing phase.
Neither are blameless and both need to be accountable but instead if coming clean in her behavior she is taking him over the coals for something he's taking ownership of. I mean he's being manipulative too but it's likely from a core wound of being raised by narcissists and he had to also act out to get his parents to pay attention to him so that he could verify if they still cared about him at all. If he even really ever mattered to his mom and dad or was he just a performing work horse to be abandoned and put out to pasture when not of use to anyone.
But she listened to him and went therapy. I guess he is the one who needs having a therapy because of abondmend issues and wounded inner child..
You are writing a book here it’s hard to follow.
@@marieloumontenegro3103 Cliff notes: Rachel = Emotionally unavailable narcissist used to getting her way and needing lots of space from her partner because closeness irritates her.
Tino = Codependent Borderline sexually acting out for attention to lash out at Rachel's passive aggressive need for space to try to win back her attention so he can feel loved again by getting her jealous.
@@marieloumontenegro3103 You should read it. They are excellent points.
I completely agree. Rachel is not fault free either. When someone gives back a ring, or stops wearing it, that’s a clear indication that a relationship is over. I think Rachel wanted to have it both ways but never considered the ramifications and symbolism that comes from such actions. Tino is not innocent either but he is not completely culpable for the failed relationship. I look at the way Rachel handled things with Aven and I view it as someone rushing to be engaged before establishing an emotional foundation. I find that to be a huge sign of immaturity. I get it that it’s the Bachelor/Bachelorette but it’s not reality. I hope Rachel matures and realizes that axiom. Aven didn’t want to rush things and wanted to let things develop naturally. Overall, that was totally the mature mindset to follow.
The audience of this show really loves the pile on. They're down his throat when he does something they don't agree with and now they're down hers when she does the same. Tino never really deserved the criticism to begin with
I think Rachel took control of how this conversation will be by being pissed and dominating and not knowing where she is at fault in her miscommunication. I feel that Tino is kinda being put on the spot like he he being berated like a five year old . He seems scared of Rachel.
He literally looks like handsome squidward 🤣🤣
He looks like dollar store Miles Teller.
@@tatiana_a miles teller is already dollar store lol
Right after the episode where Rachel had like a very strange personality with Zach I knew we had no idea who Rachel was behind closed doors. This is also evident here but much more during the live show. She didn't want him to explain where he was at and that she said she would return the ring she just wanted him to apologize and she would get her moment as the queen bee, I know it's tradition for bachelor nation to support the woman but she is wrong, and she was definitely gaslighting him. Tino deserves better.
He did not say he loves her.
I’m in Tino’s corner on this one. Rachel said she wanted to understand why the situation had happened. She already knew her point of you. She should have been looking to understand Tinos frame of mind and what motivated him. To me, it looked like she had already made her mind up 100% and made no attempt whatsoever to understand his point of you. I hope she looks at this interview and sees her part. I’m afraid I don’t think that much of her anymore, which is a shame because I really did admire her at the start.
Point of you? Lol
Rachel is doing a great job playing the victim. I don’t believe she wanted to move forward with this relationship, and that she did say all those things to Tino to confuse him about whether they were really a couple or not. I believe the reason for Zach’s departure on Rachel’s season was because he finally saw Rachel for who she was. Good performance Rachel, you actually almost had me convinced that Tino was the one who was lying!!!
I agree
i think rachel kinda gaslighted tino cause rachel wasnt sure of her feelings still.
Omg I don't know these people, but she is coming across so toxic.
I don’t think what he did was right but i understand him confiding in a ex who he has a connection with when he thought they were not together and kissed her i understand that accident and he told her he’d didn’t have to . She is ridiculous and wants to ruin him and make him look horrible but it made her look horrible I think instead. I don’t condone cheating but he kissed her he didn’t sleep with her that is a huge difference.
She doesn't have the ring on
This is truly better than the soaps of the 50s & 60s but, geez, do folks spend their time watching this instead of actually doing things?
Is that her house? It's really nice.
This is classic. A women wanting him to beg then him saying he wants to be with her only to break it off.
5:50
Honestly even Tino blindsided me this season. I thought he was the best fit for Rachel but apparently not. This conversation on screen is so cringe to watch
Wether she wants to take responsibility or not, there are 2 sides to this situation and it's very clear. She started distancing herself from her fiancé, not wanting to do therapy which they probably agreed on. He felt left out. What would you do if your fiancé you found on a dating show wants space after filming stops? It's bizarre...the entire situation. And in this scene Rachel has no emotions, she's just acting for the cameras probably trying to get ratings up for the show. In real life a real couple would've given it a second shot analyzing the circumstances and cutting out the noise and outsiders so they can see if there is something worth saving. Seems like the guy didn't sleep with the girl, he kissed her then realized its a mistake, he belongs with Rachel. She was acting in favor of the show, letting her heart suffer. These leads are used if they not taking things in their own hands. Be the Matt James, who chose who he wanted irrespective of what producers wanted.
I feel like a lot of contents want to be famous and in love. It’s like they’re rehearsing for a soap opera gig.
Rachel is a drama queen. If she really loved him, she would forgive but I don’t think either one of them are ready for a long term relationship.
Please do not bring her back.
She just wants more tv time lol
Seriously just from a kiss, you throw away your whole life
Um yes? If my guy kissed a girl when we're engaged I would say goodbye straight away. As if you would stay with someone like that!
Team Rachel. Tino cheated on her period. If there were issues, he should have communicated with her, and if irreconcilable, end the engagement!
He did communicate w her. She wasn’t giving him validation she needed, she gave back the ring. She pushed him away. She should’ve considered that rather than act like the victim
He cheated. Unless they officially broke up he had no excuse or reason to defend that.
it’s the gaslighting for me
All Tino sympathizers hill me
What’s “hill me” mean?
Tino's dad was right.
Racheal was upset at Tino with another girl, Well look hard Rachel you see your heart was for Tino, Well Logan heart was for Victoria Now you broke them up how does it feel...😭😰😩
I'd be Rachel in this convo for sure. I'd be pissed.
I’m torn here - because on one hand, it was so clear from the start that there were literally a dozen guys better than Tino, and I just truly never saw what Rachel saw in him. She was clearly just most attracted to him, but he literally had so many red flags.
Rachel, however; undoubtedly has manipulative tendencies and has a lot of things she needs to work on before committing to a relationship. it doesn’t justify Tino’s cheating, but They just flat out were not a good combination and this was bound to happen
Imagine needing therapy before the relationship is even official 😂. Rachel is a walking red flag.
TINOOOOO
I don't believe Racheal. She is gaslighting him. Yikes!
He’s a gaslighter lol
She sounds crazy. He needs to run.
i think rachel is a manipulator. i think she is.
totally
I think she's a narcissist.
Does she think she's perfect!
As a woman Rachel your crazy hunny you need some kind of therapy that's all what tino did was wrong but if men look at the bachelorette they wouldn't want to be with your because of your behaviour not only with tino but the other guys who choose to date you
that is literally meryl streep or like a clone made out of her dna. she looks EXACTLY like meryl
The actual crocodile tears
I have a headache and I want to puke
He kissed another girl and is blaming her for it??
So was Tino ever seen again cause her dad…..
He is a narcissit no accountability he is using word salad I hope she runs fast
She wanted to humiliate someone she 'loved' and made sure she called in the cameras so the world could see. Hope Tino is doing okay these days.
Funny, how many guys did she kiss but when he kissed someone it's cheating.
Ironic
Two different contexts tho, he knew what to expect.
I don't believe her. He is being gaslight and she's acting like a b word. And doesn't love him.
facts
"I just want you" but kisses another girl. Boy bye.
I think shes very intense impossible to communicate with. Wasnt the relationship on a break when this happened over what a kiss?
She goes on a show yo date 50 dudes at the same time, but once she picks you, she is all you can see...Let her have a beta husband that she will cheat on and maybe after that guys gets fed up he sets their house on fire
He has taken accountability. He said he is sorry. She had told him she was done with the relationship. She is very immature and he sure dodged a bullet! Tino you dodged a bullet buddy! She acted prideful and mercilessly.
I wish Chris Harrison was still the host he would’ve handled this situation well well!
No
Lmaoo a girl before the show...
Drama
I can’t stand Rachel I don’t like him ether but she played up for the camera so bad and it was very obvious I think gabby is a true honest person but not Rachael
They made a horrible couple. I never really liked Rachel. She doesn't seem that she would be a good girlfriend or wife. And Tino definitely would've cheated on her and made up stories to cover it because he is too hot for her.
What tf is that last part?? 🥴
This show is for poor people with poor families and no insurance...
😂
He looks too much like Justin Trudeau
Hes a woose
No insurance for families with beta husbands
Girl do not call God in your problems. You created those problems on your own. You are so immature going for the hot guys and Zach was there for you. You played Zach and ended up single after the show. You wanted fame and your was not in it for the right reason.
This show is what's wrong with women...Why is it still on? None of you are gonna be insured...
Get a life. You’re everywhere in these cmments being an incel . Seek therapy.
Kissed another girl isn’t that big a deal
Why would u say that