The observer is SOOOOO good! showing all the little details with his mouse.. top top notch! Lets go Mini! win it for Protoss, dont let another Zerg wins it!
TIMESTAMPS ....... 24:32 Game 1 Hidden Track 49:31 Game 2 Fighting Spirit 1:02:54 Game 3 Polypoid 1:21:16 Game 4 Eclipse 1:30:22 Game 5 Ascension 1:42:13 Game 6 Polaris Rhapsody 1:55:50 Game 7 Ultimate Stream
Having the last be just over a minute before the end of the video might be a little too ambitious but otherwise I appreciate the attempt of keeping it spoiler-free.
Spoilers (game 2) One thing Tastetosis failed to comment on why Queen was blindsided was the positioning of Mini's buildings. Mini's second gate and citadel both complete around 5:40, outside of overlord vision. Queen only finds out what's happening when the overlord scouts the bottom of the main to check that Mini is teching normally. He only starts producing units when he sees a citadel but no templar archives, but by then his timing is already a few seconds late and the few seconds gives Mini enough time to bust down the evo in the natural. The most impressive part was Mini went into this build blindly (hence the second cannon at 5:20 for safety measures). The corsair doesn't make it to the zerg main until 5:55 to see the spore, and by then +1, legs, and heavy zealot production are already on the way. At first I thought Queen was blindsided by the +1 timing, but he knew it from his scouting zerglings around 4:20. It was really the gutsy blind gateway in lieu of templar archives that threw him off
What was missed here: Mini started to not scout with his probe, so he could mine more and get the attack upgrade faster, which caught Queen off guard, the timing was just perfection.
yes it wass missed 2 times and not scouting is a very big thing vs z even in the lower ranks but tasteless is not the best p player obviously he also didnt understand the tactics behind the late 2 nd stargate
@@haushkiy they however failed to explain properly the cannon attacking it's own pylon. It's a shame we can't get all four of them together, the analysis and stream would be brutal.
Spoiler: Amazing performance by mini against a two time defending champ. After game 1, I thought for sure Queen was going to advance based on the video length. Never thought mini would win 4 in a row. That last game to fight off the speed lings seemed unrecoverable. Fascinating and well deserved for mini
Dude his PvZ is so good. Also his PvP is incredible too. He's amazing. What a good player. I think he might be the best protoss in the world now, along with snow
@@houndofzeus I really wanted Best to win also. Hes just such a high level player who has never won a big championship. He alwaysssss loses in the RO 16 or RO 8 ALWAYS lol
Queen really looked stunned as the series went along. Mini was just catching him at vulnerable times each game and then in game 5 queen was so close to winning. Crazy!
Outstanding play by Mini! Now this is Kespa (progamer bw) days quallity of games, for all the new viewers you can now understand why BW had such a passion from players to viewers, including lots of females.
Look at Minis face @1:23:15 The smallest little smirk knowing he's already won the game. There is no way a zerg is keeping their natural against a 9/9 proxy gate when they went hatch first lol.
Queen: say BYE after 15 minutes Mini: u won’t HAVE 15 minutes Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce the 10gate/no search build, protoss’ new counter build against zerg
Queen played very greedy and he only gets away with it because Zerg can be such an early game threat. Mini proved himself to be the better player period. Especially that last game
I feel like Queen would've won that last game if he had immediately destroyed the forge instead of chasing the probe and then taking the long way to the pylon. If he got the pylon down before the Zealot got out, it would've been the right play. Crazy how tight these good games are!
Spoiler: If Queen knew that Mini was going to be aggressive early on (as he mentioned it earlier in the interview) and all he had to do was to survive to mid/late game, then why didn't he focus on early defense more? Zerg's builds made no sense in the context of interview. I'm not saying I understand the game more that commentators do, but for me it felt more like Queen being too greedy and sloppy with not making enough defense, rather than Mini's "new and brilliant" use of his builds.
Mini is being brilliant because his builds counter the greed in a reactionary way. Tastosis highly emphasised that he made most of his important decisions after scouting what Queen was doing, so if Queen had played more defensively, Mini wouldn't have used the exact timing pushes that he did. Of course I'm not saying that Queen wouldn't have at least stayed alive longer if he had gotten more defence. Especially in the game with the spore and the DTs it was very puzzling to not have a sunken colony behind that wall, and I think he could have held on a lot better if he had gotten that. And then who knows, maybe Queen would have had a better chance if he had safely reached the mid- and lategame.
I tried to go Zealot leg into early aggression and thought it was impossible to win with because of Muta pressure. I have been informed that it is in fact possible.
It's totally possible. You rush Plus 1 speed lots from 2-3 gates and Even if you don't straight up kill the other player you can do damage like kill a spire / pool / bunch of drones and lings, while at the same time morphing an archon at home to protect your base from mutas attacking after. It gets weird though if the opponent also tries some kind of all in like ling attack or 3 hatch hydra. Then you just got out micro them and hope you trade well.
If you skip corsairs all together it's risky but you can go 8 gate and power up or do the rush like I was saying, off just a few gates. I've beaten so many zergs who went fast three base and droned up all greedy. They have a couple sunkens and a hand ful of lings lol. Like that's gonna beat 14 plus 1 speed lots.
Came back to watch this a second time before watching Larva vs Hero, excited to watch the final with Mini advancing the meta so hard. Edit: Sometimes you think that Tastosis is just filling time but as this is a rewatch it's really interesting how insightful they are, I mean they don't take hard stances but the things that they touch on were all exceptionally relevant. I mean around the 17-23 min mark, based on my recollection of the way this match happened it's almost uncanny. "We may see a very differnt PvZ" "He's making 14 zealots" "He likes to engage his opponents" "He understands zerg very well" *"If we're going to see somebody evolve this matchup it will probably be Mini"* And more that I couldn't type out as I heard them. They're like Nostrodamus but real. Edit2: I remember the failed cannon rush and I'm thinking Queen mistook this meta evolution and key zealot pressure for desperation for units and didn't catch on until he got picked apart by it twice I think. The first game was really bad for Mini but I don't think that takes away from the dominance he put on display afterwards.
Snow..... Edit: In addition - Tastosis talk a lot about how this may change PvZ in general. However I think the revolution of Bisu back then was more fundamental. Was it really the strategic choices of Mini, or is more his execution? I honestly doubt, that many protoss besides him are able to pull that off
I still think Bisu is and will always be Mr. Protoss because of what he did. But Mini is inching closer to his own revolution maybe? Maybe this will make other Protoss pros be more unpredictable? The thing is Protoss has always been at the mercy of what Zerg wanted to do but now Mini is being the pimp and the Z is the bitch. Cool nonetheless, I am glad it will not be a ZvZ finals.
This was amaaaaazing. But please please please put anti-spoilers in and make the videos longer, otherwise it's too obvious who wins once someone is up 3-1 or in this case even 2-1
Exactly! For that reason i've created a userscript that hides the current playback status & vid length. You can find it by going to greasyfork and searching for 'CZcams anti spoiler'. Keep in mind it's just a quick fix, but it does the work for me :)
Download the anticipation extension to google chrome to hide the youtube timer and fast forward/reverse with arrow keys. Only thing you have to be careful with is not to look at the time initially in the thumbnail when you click on the video.
He took risks early in game two and three by not scouting/scouting late and skimping on cannons. That let him get plus 1 attack and a few extra zealots so his initial zealot push is way stronger than you usually see. Game 2 you see Queen make a ton of lings, enough to crush a normal zealot push, but plus 1 kicks in and Mini smashes the lings. I’m not sure if this is a long term solution because without scouting you could just die to an early ling flood. That’s what Queen tried in game 5 and almost won it. There’s probably some greedy hydra busts against the lack of cannons as well
The Korean audio was a bit quiet except for the last interview, but especially the player stories in the breaks. The English audio is really good now, but if you could adjust the volume of the Korean parts so that I can hear them talk without damaging my ears when the English part starts again, that'd be great.
Mini didn't even have to open the Ninth Gate! oh I want Larva to win but I also want Mini to win because he is bringing the game to a whole new meta, OOF
Yeah unfortunately :( Without fail, I always get the results somehow spoiled particularly when browsing TLNet. But, I don't want to give up browsing TLNet just to solve that problem.
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Absolutely amazing series by the winner. I had nerdchills all over.. wow, that was such a stellar play. Sick. Great commentary, guys. Cheers!
That snow 4:1 prediction. He and larva are always so on the money with the predictions.
The observer is SOOOOO good! showing all the little details with his mouse.. top top notch! Lets go Mini! win it for Protoss, dont let another Zerg wins it!
Agree! The observer never gets any credit but it's always so much on point!
The circle of Queen stacking minerals was ON POINT
yes indeed the observers are damn top over the topest one.
It's Shine bag of builds I think, he's fantastic to watch play and he's such an amazing obs
TIMESTAMPS
.......
24:32 Game 1 Hidden Track
49:31 Game 2 Fighting Spirit
1:02:54 Game 3 Polypoid
1:21:16 Game 4 Eclipse
1:30:22 Game 5 Ascension
1:42:13 Game 6 Polaris Rhapsody
1:55:50 Game 7 Ultimate Stream
Having the last be just over a minute before the end of the video might be a little too ambitious but otherwise I appreciate the attempt of keeping it spoiler-free.
This is the funniest and smartest game commentary for any Esport on the planet, bar none.
Coming back to the pre-game interview/taunt of both players after watching the BO7 is just priceless :D
24:30 Game 1
49:33 Game 2
1:02:58 Game 3
1:21:19 Game 4
1:30:26 Game 5
1:42:29 Game 6
1:50:08 Game 7
Thanks man, you are the mvp.
The man, the myth, our hero! Timestamps op!
Me: Time to go to bed.
Tastosis: Uploads a video.
Me: Okay, sleep can wait...
Spoilers (game 2)
One thing Tastetosis failed to comment on why Queen was blindsided was the positioning of Mini's buildings. Mini's second gate and citadel both complete around 5:40, outside of overlord vision. Queen only finds out what's happening when the overlord scouts the bottom of the main to check that Mini is teching normally. He only starts producing units when he sees a citadel but no templar archives, but by then his timing is already a few seconds late and the few seconds gives Mini enough time to bust down the evo in the natural.
The most impressive part was Mini went into this build blindly (hence the second cannon at 5:20 for safety measures). The corsair doesn't make it to the zerg main until 5:55 to see the spore, and by then +1, legs, and heavy zealot production are already on the way.
At first I thought Queen was blindsided by the +1 timing, but he knew it from his scouting zerglings around 4:20. It was really the gutsy blind gateway in lieu of templar archives that threw him off
The interviewer is so over-the-top! I love it!
haha at beginning or end?
gosu lvl for sure xD
Don't you want to CLAIM YOUR THRONE!?
lmao yes
Do you mean McLovin?
"Queen prepared for ZvP, but he brought a ZvP build to a gunfight." Lol
What was missed here: Mini started to not scout with his probe, so he could mine more and get the attack upgrade faster, which caught Queen off guard, the timing was just perfection.
Yes, this was spotted right away by Scan and Nyoken in their cast
"aaah taiminguu" - the korean kommentators probably
Timestamp?
yes it wass missed 2 times and not scouting is a very big thing vs z even in the lower ranks but tasteless is not the best p player obviously he also didnt understand the tactics behind the late 2 nd stargate
@@haushkiy they however failed to explain properly the cannon attacking it's own pylon. It's a shame we can't get all four of them together, the analysis and stream would be brutal.
1:23:15 Mini's face when he sees the hatchery...
haha love his reactions, should make a video about just his reactions
Hahah Nice one
I had missed that :D That smirk says it all.
he knew
this comment is gold
OMG finally, I waited a decade for this, no more Vacation for editors pls! We need you !
"Could I be the guy in the chat for a moment?" lol xD
I think reavers might be the answer here.
They're pretty good against mass hydra. I think its a solid strategy.
" UU? RR UU?? RR Chat in the guy donated 3$ and 33 cents " lol
Having my favorite player in the finals again feels amazing, what a great series!
Spoiler:
Amazing performance by mini against a two time defending champ. After game 1, I thought for sure Queen was going to advance based on the video length. Never thought mini would win 4 in a row. That last game to fight off the speed lings seemed unrecoverable. Fascinating and well deserved for mini
And game 5 was a repeat of his clutch hold against Queen in the round of 16.
Dude his PvZ is so good. Also his PvP is incredible too. He's amazing. What a good player. I think he might be the best protoss in the world now, along with snow
@@alexfriedman2047 he’s definitely been the best in this tournament. I was routing for Best and Mini straight up embarrassed him
@@houndofzeus I really wanted Best to win also. Hes just such a high level player who has never won a big championship. He alwaysssss loses in the RO 16 or RO 8 ALWAYS lol
Queen really looked stunned as the series went along. Mini was just catching him at vulnerable times each game and then in game 5 queen was so close to winning. Crazy!
I haven't seen Zealots this manly since Reach played.
God, I miss Reach and his Zealot dominance.
Outstanding play by Mini!
Now this is Kespa (progamer bw) days quallity of games, for all the new viewers you can now understand why BW had such a passion from players to viewers, including lots of females.
I have now learned, if someone tells me to shoot them, i do not in fact go to jail.
great casting as always ! :D
This guy just saved this ASL season !
That game 2 was soooooo sick. Great series overall!
Look at Minis face @1:23:15 The smallest little smirk knowing he's already won the game. There is no way a zerg is keeping their natural against a 9/9 proxy gate when they went hatch first lol.
"Queen brought a ZvP to a gun fight" - Artosis 2021
Having watched Artosis rage over Protoss for one hour, this serious cast is very funny :D
unreal. amazing how sc keeps surprising us. Amazing :)
What did I just watch?
Mini is becoming the new Protoss Legend!
Queen: say BYE after 15 minutes
Mini: u won’t HAVE 15 minutes
Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce the 10gate/no search build, protoss’ new counter build against zerg
Hey, as long as it works!
Queen played very greedy and he only gets away with it because Zerg can be such an early game threat. Mini proved himself to be the better player period. Especially that last game
1:42:48 Is that a tear of joy twinkling in his eye? Mini's intuitive play, man... Impressive! BRUTAL! Always a favorite of mine :)
Support English commentary!! Thank you for all your work
I'm so happy with these results!! so cool
1:01:11 mini checking to see if queen is sweating profusely
If Queen had been sweating like this, he would have won the series: czcams.com/video/Ijf6RysNq9I/video.html
I feel like Queen would've won that last game if he had immediately destroyed the forge instead of chasing the probe and then taking the long way to the pylon. If he got the pylon down before the Zealot got out, it would've been the right play. Crazy how tight these good games are!
Spoiler:
If Queen knew that Mini was going to be aggressive early on (as he mentioned it earlier in the interview) and all he had to do was to survive to mid/late game, then why didn't he focus on early defense more? Zerg's builds made no sense in the context of interview. I'm not saying I understand the game more that commentators do, but for me it felt more like Queen being too greedy and sloppy with not making enough defense, rather than Mini's "new and brilliant" use of his builds.
Mini is being brilliant because his builds counter the greed in a reactionary way. Tastosis highly emphasised that he made most of his important decisions after scouting what Queen was doing, so if Queen had played more defensively, Mini wouldn't have used the exact timing pushes that he did. Of course I'm not saying that Queen wouldn't have at least stayed alive longer if he had gotten more defence. Especially in the game with the spore and the DTs it was very puzzling to not have a sunken colony behind that wall, and I think he could have held on a lot better if he had gotten that. And then who knows, maybe Queen would have had a better chance if he had safely reached the mid- and lategame.
amazing play from the winner, i was in awe of the sheer overwhelming power
Love you tastosis your cast is much fun you are the best
Just wow what a serie.
Absolutely amazing series! Can we get a Mini vs Larva finals, please?
Appreciate for making effort to put videos out faster. Normally I'm okay waiting just the longer it goes, the more chance for spoilers.
Damn that was an amazing game, chills all over.
the juxtaposition between Park and the players during the interviews is hilarious
He's a very loud person, for sure
I tried to go Zealot leg into early aggression and thought it was impossible to win with because of Muta pressure. I have been informed that it is in fact possible.
It's totally possible. You rush Plus 1 speed lots from 2-3 gates and Even if you don't straight up kill the other player you can do damage like kill a spire / pool / bunch of drones and lings, while at the same time morphing an archon at home to protect your base from mutas attacking after. It gets weird though if the opponent also tries some kind of all in like ling attack or 3 hatch hydra. Then you just got out micro them and hope you trade well.
If you skip corsairs all together it's risky but you can go 8 gate and power up or do the rush like I was saying, off just a few gates. I've beaten so many zergs who went fast three base and droned up all greedy. They have a couple sunkens and a hand ful of lings lol. Like that's gonna beat 14 plus 1 speed lots.
When taste said toss are brittle early on, I was expecting some sort of retaliation from artosis lollll
Came back to watch this a second time before watching Larva vs Hero, excited to watch the final with Mini advancing the meta so hard.
Edit: Sometimes you think that Tastosis is just filling time but as this is a rewatch it's really interesting how insightful they are, I mean they don't take hard stances but the things that they touch on were all exceptionally relevant. I mean around the 17-23 min mark, based on my recollection of the way this match happened it's almost uncanny.
"We may see a very differnt PvZ" "He's making 14 zealots" "He likes to engage his opponents" "He understands zerg very well" *"If we're going to see somebody evolve this matchup it will probably be Mini"* And more that I couldn't type out as I heard them. They're like Nostrodamus but real.
Edit2: I remember the failed cannon rush and I'm thinking Queen mistook this meta evolution and key zealot pressure for desperation for units and didn't catch on until he got picked apart by it twice I think. The first game was really bad for Mini but I don't think that takes away from the dominance he put on display afterwards.
Snow.....
Edit: In addition - Tastosis talk a lot about how this may change PvZ in general. However I think the revolution of Bisu back then was more fundamental. Was it really the strategic choices of Mini, or is more his execution? I honestly doubt, that many protoss besides him are able to pull that off
I still think Bisu is and will always be Mr. Protoss because of what he did. But Mini is inching closer to his own revolution maybe? Maybe this will make other Protoss pros be more unpredictable? The thing is Protoss has always been at the mercy of what Zerg wanted to do but now Mini is being the pimp and the Z is the bitch. Cool nonetheless, I am glad it will not be a ZvZ finals.
5:11 Predictions from the other Ro16 players
Snow with the winning prediction.
"Who was that ancient story of that guy who's power was in his hair?"
"Jesus?"
lol am i wrong to say samson & deliah?
@@Far2ManyDrugs Arty got there in the end.
maybe the best pvz ive ever seen
So Mini's nickname was because of his mini warp blades fingernails.
What an INSANE series! Sheeeeesh...
Yes!!!! What a treat!!! God bless you all
That DT drop/corsair rush was insane!!
ZvZ FINALS AVERTED - I am so HYPE
23:28 We will rock you - Queen
what a ridiculously awesome series.
please release the next match you guys are holding these for way too long
Especially when we know a ZvZ is going to be less than an hour no matter how many matches are played lmao...
As a Terran, Mini is by far my Favorite Protoss to watch. I hope Mini takes the trophy, he has really earned it this season.
This was amaaaaazing. But please please please put anti-spoilers in and make the videos longer, otherwise it's too obvious who wins once someone is up 3-1 or in this case even 2-1
Agreed
Exactly! For that reason i've created a userscript that hides the current playback status & vid length. You can find it by going to greasyfork and searching for 'CZcams anti spoiler'. Keep in mind it's just a quick fix, but it does the work for me :)
do what i do. click on the video and press F for full screen... and fast forward with the keyboard arrows while covering up the bottom with your arm
Download the anticipation extension to google chrome to hide the youtube timer and fast forward/reverse with arrow keys. Only thing you have to be careful with is not to look at the time initially in the thumbnail when you click on the video.
Great series, great cast. This ASL has been brilliant, its a shame theres no english live cast anymore.
Love the vids. Is there anyway you guys can post the vids sooner? I keep seeing spoilers and that kinda ruins it for me.
No they cannot. For them to cast the series officially, they have to follow the schedule given - it will always be after the round is over
@@readabook5823 I canceled my pateron. Thank you for the explanation. I'll re sub. They deserve it.
Great games and even better casters!
Nah these catsers suck
Did the winner come up with a new formula for the matchup, or was he adapting well each game?
He took risks early in game two and three by not scouting/scouting late and skimping on cannons. That let him get plus 1 attack and a few extra zealots so his initial zealot push is way stronger than you usually see. Game 2 you see Queen make a ton of lings, enough to crush a normal zealot push, but plus 1 kicks in and Mini smashes the lings. I’m not sure if this is a long term solution because without scouting you could just die to an early ling flood. That’s what Queen tried in game 5 and almost won it. There’s probably some greedy hydra busts against the lack of cannons as well
@@houndofzeus ya, the build thing involves a lot of guesswork, like scissors, paper, rock
Snow predicted the result ... someone check him ... he have a time machine
this is so cool
"If I win the first game I'll 4-0 him"
About that.
More like : "I'm gonna lose 4 games".
"I've solved the early game"
Hmmmmmmmmmm lol
Revolutionary play from the winner
The Nailtoss at it again!!!
Amazing series! Can't wait for the finals!
The Korean audio was a bit quiet except for the last interview, but especially the player stories in the breaks. The English audio is really good now, but if you could adjust the volume of the Korean parts so that I can hear them talk without damaging my ears when the English part starts again, that'd be great.
I'm feeling new wrinkles forming in my brain. LOL, nice one!
Mini didn't even have to open the Ninth Gate!
oh I want Larva to win but I also want Mini to win because he is bringing the game to a whole new meta, OOF
The way the music lines up at 26:09... like a ballet
So happy that Mini won! I still want to see the Return of Bisu!!
That was awesome :)
Mini is a beast this season
Time to grow my fingernails out.
Love Tastosis, but the gap between the actual match and their videos is too high.
yea if it came out at the same time as starcast tv, i would more likely watch it
Yeah unfortunately :( Without fail, I always get the results somehow spoiled particularly when browsing TLNet. But, I don't want to give up browsing TLNet just to solve that problem.
well this one came out quite fast after the last QF match at least.
@@misterkefir 3rd place match is already live, they were 3 matches behind
@@mmpsp693 yes. . . i know.. I've said that time between this SF and last QF match was pretty short, that's all.
1:33:42 lingz in base no forge started yet and still going for the gas before forge....what a greedy badass
Love watching PvZ matchups
thank you for the translation! Thank you English community!
Damn that was good
When's the next match?
Thank god it won't be another zvz final
Oh this is the match up I have enjoyed the most.
Asl, summer and a cold beer.
25:26 Tastosis morphs into an archon and says 'right' at the end of each sentence.
Haha great catch
Storm into Archon to the face? 6DT Micro Raid?
Tastosis upload? My day is made!
Perfect timing as always!
What an exciting match. Awesome RO4.
Lets go Party People!! ASL
How is gas before pool not a thing? Isn't there a zvz build where you do that on only one base?
love it!
Great on star cast great seeing again
legendary series
What's the song that comes on before tastosis starts talking? I need this information
The best show on tv!!!
What an amazing off-meta performance!
Go Mini!!! So glad to see him get through