The New Heartthrobs: Jacob Elordi, Barry Keoghan in ‘Saltburn’ + …Nathan Fielder? | Popcast (Deluxe)
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- This week’s episode of Popcast (Deluxe), the weekly culture roundup show on CZcams hosted by Jon Caramanica and Joe Coscarelli, includes segments on:
00:00 Introduction
3:47 Jacob Elordi and Barry Keoghan, the two stars of “Saltburn,” who offer two different modes for the leading man of the moment
23:47 Elordi’s work in “The Sweet East,” in which he pokes fun at and downsizes his public image
31:42 Jeremy Allen White, star of “The Bear” and the current Calvin Klein underwear campaign, as heartthrob rookie
45:34 The anti-heartthrob heartthrob Nathan Fielder, who’s been toying with his public image through canny character work as Asher on “The Curse”
55:00 New songs from Starlito featuring NoCap and Playboi Carti featuring Travis Scott
01:00:05 Snack of the week
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Wouldn’t be Popcast without a “Jon lived in the UK for a year” reference 😂😂
forgetting Robert Pattinson? he was a very famous teen heartthrob who matured out of that phase and continued to lead successful or well respected movies.
Maybe it’s my personal taste but I was surprised you didn’t mention Paul Mescal 😍
Had a similar leading man debate with my gf after we saw The Iron Claw (which was amazing and I hope Jon & Joe discuss soon). My gf was arguing that Jeremy Allen White is an A list celebrity and leading man. And I said he’s having a moment but even though he’s currently at the peak of his popularity, he will never sniff the heights of traditional leading men (Tom Cruise, Leo, George Clooney, Tom Hanks, etc.). But she made a great point that in a post-monoculture world, Jeremy’s current moment is as high as it gets for a straight male actor. And I had to agree. Culture at large will never be all in on singular movie stars again. What the Tom Cruises of the world achieved in the past is no longer attainable for any working actor today, no matter how talented or charismatic they are. The market is oversaturated and there are too many things competing for people’s attention. So I think we have to change the definition of what a leading man is because the rules of the game have changed so dramatically.
Your Saltburn discussion was really interesting. I have a widely different perception of the story so I'll leave my analysis down here.
To me, it was all about Oliver's obsession with Felix. His plan from the beginning was to get close to Felix, to establish a connection. I do think he loved him in his own obsessive way.
When Oliver enters Oxford he is an outsider, Despite being smart and diligent none of this earns him people attention; Felix is totally the opposite, of course, a significant part of his infatuation with Felix is due to Felix's privileged background. It's this upper-class upbringing that allows Felix to be carefree and charming, to effortlessly gain everyone's affection and love.
Felix is only troubled by the fact that too many people love him, I supposed that's part of the "comfort" he found in Oliver like Venetia said.
Felix's "compassion" is a trait Oliver exploits. This kindness, seemingly pure, also appears condescending, we could say it's "saviour complex" observing a human tragedy up close, sighing with both sympathy and satisfaction knowing he can be the hero that saves them, Felix and his mother feed from the lives of the "Unfortunates", they treat them like pets., they dress them, feed them, care for them, but until lose interest just as quickly (Pamela, Oliver even Farleigh).
Oliver knows what type of person Felix would be interested in, knows what role would gain Felix's attention and friendship. So, he holds onto this character tightly, he also knew that Felix wouldn't gave him what he wanted do he found other ways to take it from him (the bathtub, venetia, Farleigh even the grave)
Unfortunately, the moment of rejection came earlier than expected. Felix wanted to help Oliver reconcile with his family, inadvertently exposing the carefully crafted lies.
when Oliver fully understands there's no turning back in his relationship with Felix, that Felix won't forgive him, finds him disgusting, no longer considers him a friend-that's when he made the choice to end Felix. In his mind, he preferred Felix to be d34d than not being able to be with him.
He k_3d the lover he couldn't keep and replaced him with Saltburn, shifting the focus of his obsession to the only thing he had left to worship: Felix. I think he genuinely regretted k1_llng him, and his way of coping was to live, worship, and own the remaining pieces of Felix's life in Saltburn. To chase his Ghost and live with regret, it's his form of self-punishment.
Great analysis. That is how I understand the story too. And when you watch and read enough interviews with Emerald Fennell, then she explained the story like that.
Great ep guys, I’d like to add to the heartthrob discussion: Paul Mescal. Beloved indie(?) actor, juicy TikTok gossip about his sexual escapades and bulking up to play the gladiator? What else does one need?
"The Curse" slaps so hard. Insanely good show. I completely agree about Emma Stone's performance just being a masterclass.
Throwing fits x podcast deluxe crossover when
Terrific show. Elordi is worthy of the attention (a rarity),, Keoghan is awesome also, but would have liked lip service on other upcomers Harris Dickinson, Jonathan Majors (pre-scandal) and Paul Mescal. Best to you!
The cut to the Mastermind lyric video plays like a gag edit 🕰️⚙️😂
I agree! Mastermind should’ve been in the movie!!!
comparing kate Bush to Sophie😂 clueless.
The persistent and gleeful whiteness of this conversation is disheartening. You can call attention to the movie star discourse being white-centric all you want, but almost exclusively emphasizing and dissecting the careers of white actors just adds to the problem!
who did u want them to talk about? this their an actor of colour who's super "of the moment" rn? charles melton maybe, but that was a few weeks ago
"chicago is a tough sell for me" - absolute loser behavior. related: who gives a sh*t about Caramanica and Coscarelli's takes on these dudes?
No one's forcing you to watch it.
why are u here lol
you that's why you clicked on the video