I worked in a kosher beef plant in the early 1990's. I worked in the kill floor. I ran the floor chute, it lays the animal on its side so a shackle can be attached to the hoof. I often had to use a prod to get them in the chute. It was a utility beef plant. i.e. old dairy cattle ect. Some of the cattle had tears coming out of there eyes, they knew what was going to happen to them.. If Temple here can make it less stressful for animals , KUDOS. something needs to be done.
@@farrierette5216 It was in the early 1990s and I had a family to feed. I paid a price mentally as well. That factory was closed in the late 1990s and has since been tore down. Everyone's meat comes from somewhere.
Exactly, there is no such thing as humane slaughter, even the idea s of Grandin are much better than it were before!!! I’ve seen the carbon dioxide chamber full of pigs and they scream and thrashing in there for their lives!!! Watch the documentary DOMINION!!! The best thing we can do to respect animals is to go vegan 🌱
Or better still, pls 🙏🏻 just stop eating them and go vegetarian. I was a beef farmer. Now vegan. My compassionate beliefs for humans and animals now aligns with my actions and I feel clean, healthy and a huge weight lifted from my shoulders!
I just found your vids, and boy am I glad. I have followed your work for some time, down to earth and practical, realistic, and humane. I know your story and I am very glad God saw fit to share you with the rest of us. And I know many animals, in their own way, are glad also. Please continue all ur good work, we need you!
I am taking an Animal Welfare course at the NSAC with Jane Morrigan. She showed us your youtube channel today and very glad that she did! So helpful in understanding these systems! Your an inspiration!
@TempleGrandin Thank you for uploading these videos... I teach Large Animal courses to Veterinary Technician students and we always end up talking about welfare issues in our food animals. Seeing your videos helps to let them know that we can all make a difference in these animal's lives including humane deaths. We still have a long way to go (as far as the veterinary care tha large animals receive) but the difference you have helped make is inspiring to the students. Thank you
I am shocked at how horribly you people treat this woman. She has revolutionized the industry. People are never going to stop eating meat. What is wrong with what she is doing? She's making sure these animals are as stress free as possible and providing the rules and science behind quick and painless, humane methods. She's an amazing woman.. you rabid vegetarians and vegan are doing more harm than good by demonizing her. I see no animal screaming in pain in any of her designed houses or any of her videos.. grow up and recognize that she is the BEST hope we have for the humane treatment of livestock intended for food!
Agree. I'm thinking about going vegetarian but most people will NEVER stop eating meat. Meat was probably the first thing ever consumed by humans. So why not try to find the least painful and most humane possible to slaughter animals.
In response to Wykydtronx4055x - Thanks for the comment. One of the problems is that the equipment is designed to use a gas that is heavier than air. Gravity holds the CO2 in the pit that the gondolas descent into. CO2 or Argon are the only gasses that will remain in the pit.
Whether it's electrical stunning or CO2 stunning, the pigs must stay 100% unconscious every second from the second they're made unconscious through the blade cutting their necks through to the second they pass away from being bled out. So therefore the pigs are never aware again after the stunning, and never endure even a fraction of a second of suffering. You have been able to make doing this completely successful, right.
This lady is one of the world authorities on this stuff. She is seriously an advocate for animal welfare. You have to accept that slaughtering animals will never stop as humans want meat, but she is an absolute databank on regulations across the world. She is doing these videos to make the info available for everyone to make sure the right things are done, regardless where you are in the world.
All she's doing is working to make the slaughter of animals more humane, and she's already done immense work in this area. Meat consumption isn't going anywhere, she knows this, so she's trying to make the animals as comfortable as possible. Stop attacking this woman.
I am vegetarian and I don't like that people eat animals, but nothing I can do will stop them. The way I see it is that the next best thing is to treat the animals properly. They deserve respect and consideration. I think Temple Grandin is someone to be admired for her work that has helped to make things better for meat animals.
I am curious, has another heavy gas such as nitrogen been tried? If so, would not the stressful reaction to the sensation of suffocation be reduced or eliminated?
Doesn't CO2 produce the feeling of suffocation? If I'm not mistaken the feeling of suffocation is produced by a build up of CO2 in the lungs, not an absence of O2. So if this system was to remain humane, wouldn't you need to use a non-CO2 inert gas like Nitrogen?
Yes, it does. Kind of like the gas chambers in the holocaust. It is really disturbing to me.Death doesn't come instantly and can go on for a few minutes by suffocation. The way animals in 3rd world countries are sometimes killed is by slitting the carotid artery. I know it sounds painful but if done correctly the animal will only feel the initial stab wound and the animal will pass out in about 2 seconds by bleeding by lack of oxygen to their brain. In someways this sounds more humane. All methods are scary.
I don't understand, Temple. Why won't you mention that a lot of the pigs going down under CO2 scream to the top of their lungs to the highest pitch anyone will ever experience hearing? Why are you saying that they simply might kick and throw a fit to escape the gondola? Why are you understating the extent of distress and discomfort some of these animals may experience during CO2 stunning? The people of the internet age have seen way too many videos and footages of this process around the world for you to brush the gravity of potential cruelty associated with CO2 stunning under the rug like that.
Dear Miss Lee - There are definite welfare concerns with CO2. I have observed that there are genetic differences on how pigs react to CO2. Some pigs have a very bad reaction and others are calm. The industry has avoided looking at this problem. I had a study set up to determine if pig breeding could be used to reduce bad reactions. One big company cancelled my study and others refused to participate because they do not want to look inside the box. Sincerely, Temple Grandin
That is exactly what I still think. The only difference between other carnivores and us, is that we are smart enough to build cages and slaughter machines. We also breed animals for the sole purpose of slaughtering and eating. Do you really think that if a lion could get food without having to hunt for it that they would still hunt for it? I don't think so.
You say big corporations do what they do to make vast sums of money, and I agree. But I also know that ALOT of people love pork and bacon, and I also know that you as one person, or even everyone in the world that feels the same way won't stop the production and sale of meat from live animals. Since the beginning of time, animals have eaten other animals. All that money is simply a by-product created by humans for humans.
Dr. Grandin, as you know, neurotic behaviors such as cannibalism and tail-biting result from the confinement of crowded pens, and so farmers use pliers to break off the ends of piglets' teeth and cut off their tails without any painkillers. Have you any recommendations to lessen the suffering of this inhumane handling?
Ah okay well that's good that.. YOU don't have a problem with it. Funny how you look at the problem from your own ego point of view. question is: Does the VICTIM have a problem with it? How the Fuck can you even place ''slaughter'' and ''treated good'' in the same sentence. You don't have a problem with it, does the animal have a problem with getting its life taken away at a young age hmm? What do you think? Seriously WAKE.. THE.. FUCK.. UP. This is a big lie. You can't take a life from a innocent animal that wants to live, JUST because you like the taste of it. And not just one animal, we are talking about breeding and killing 50+ billions of land animals each year, just because ''bacon''.
@Neil Allen go watch commercial co2 stunning of pigs. jesus would not approve, we have options today, grocery stores full of nuts, seeds, grains, beans, etc. poor comparison you make.
And all these things are done for the piglets well-being in the long run. It would more cruel to let them grow up with their tails being bitten and getting infected. You guys all have to stop putting so much emotion into this process. It's as simple as this: we need food to live, animals provide food for us and this is simply an efficient way to achieve that
100,000 pigs die en route to slaughter each year, and more than 400,000 arrive crippled from the journey. Have you, Dr. Grandin, any suggestions for the pigs' humane handling BEFORE he arrives to slaughter?
@petermines I appreciate the reply. I have helped with butchering and I do like it done as humanely as possible. I have seen butchering done very badly and find that intolerable. I have seen adults give the gun to small children to shoot (poorly) caged wild pigs... fine to let them understand, but cruel to the animal.
I am curious about where you got your information about wire cages because there use would be wrong. As a swine producer I assure you that cages aren't used. I would like to ask a personal question to address baby pigs treatment. If you're a man were you circumcised, and do you remember any pain from it? Pigs are castrated to reduce aggression. The mutilation of the ears is identification to give the best care possible. The teeth are so the pigs don't grow tusks which becomes a safety issue.
@sludgedozer Sorry I haven't been on my account in a while. I know where my food comes from, I grow it, and yours, and know a lot of other people who do to. Also I know many people who either work, or have worked in large packing plants, while I work in a facility that process a Universities animals, I am sorry to say but many of those videos misrepresent animal agriculture. I am not saying those things don't happen, but they are not widespread as is portrayed; we frown on them in industry too.
Cutting off a piglet's tail hurts them for a little while, but then are better off in the long run because they will not suffer infection from tail biting. A small price to pay, I say.
The killing of prey species in the WILD is a process that we, as humans, accept as natural. Leona the lioness has no obligation, moral or otherwise, to make nicey-nice with Bambi the deer. Leona's obligation is to survive and feed her cubs. Human survival, however, is not contingent upon killing and eating animals. A view to the kill: Leona's prey lived their entire lives free up until the very last moments before death.
@haymarketmassacre There is no danger to operators in using CO2. Whilst the gas itself is not poisonous it will not support life. CO2 is only a component of the air we breath but due to it's density it displaces the oxygen. Due to the weight of the carbon dioxide it remains at the bottom of the stun pit. The animal when lowered into the gas it is rendered unconcious through asphyxiation by oxygen depravation. It is still and unpleasant way to be put to sleep.
@readersx I said I don't like it but I can't stop it. I'm not going to condemn people for it. And btw, my husband and I might move to a place where people mostly eat fish, whales, and caribou, but that doesn't mean we will give up our vegetarian lifestyle, nor does it mean that we will try to stop other people from living the way they have for a very long time in a place where they can't even grow crops.
@@cherylmiller2124 I've heard the screams of pigs being gassed as they thrash around in pain for up to a minute while they burn inside. The industry only cares about profit. No concern for the animals or the planet.
@@cherylmiller2124 Ok, but I feel the same way about this matter. As an autistic person myself, I use my understanding and connection with animals to protect them. They are not food.
Farrow barn worker here, we don't stun our babies before giving them CO2. It's horrible for babies but brilliant for finished pigs. I prefer " thumping" much quicker. Btw you're awesome. Never knew there were others like me.
So 500,000 pigs die or are injured before they get to the slaughter house? You say this is cruel. Maybe it is. But if you are that worried about animals suffering, why aren't you trying to stop every other Carniverous animal on the Earth from catching and devouring animals while they are still alive? When you compare a human's method of catching and killing animals to, let's say, a lion, does it not seem so bad?
Carbon dioxide stunning is verry painful to the animal just like it's painful to us. carbon monoxide is the one that's painless. that's why people kill themselves with car exhaust.
Agree that carbon monoxide is painless but it is too dangerous to use in a commercial slaughter plant. I have observed that there are genetic differences in how animals react to CO2. Some pigs react calmly and others have a bad reaction. In the U.S. the genetics with the most reaction is seldom used. I have more information on www.grandin.com - In regards to your comment on Design of Cattle stun boxes - A penetrating captive bolt will also result in instant destruction of the brain and death of the animal. When the captive bolt is well maintained, it will have the same effect as a bullet. Penetrating captive bolt is used in most large slaughter plants.
@@cherylmiller3189 who really gives a fuck about this comment, or your knowledge of how a Pig reacts to being killed ? Are you proud that you supplied you-tube viewers with this information ? Get a life!
CO2 is heavier than air, so it's easier to contain using gravity. This allows for an open chamber into which a continuous conveyor of pigs can be lowered. CO or nitrogen are lighter than air and would need a sealed chamber, which would be more costly and process much fewer pigs at a time. Also, producing nitrogen at scale for this purpose would be costly as well. Might as well do electric stunning.
@sludgedozer There actually are some health benefits to circumcised there's some preliminary research that suggests that it might decrease the contraction of HIV, and circumcised men are less likely to contract various bacterial infections. Though those things were not part of my point. Additionally I grew up on a family farm, even if we do raise around 6,000 pigs a year. Around 90% of all farms are family owned, it might actually be higher but I don't have the statistics in front of me.
Is this some kind of joke? And if it were only a few pigs who were bothered by it, then given the amount we slaughter internationally per year, then that adds up to millions bothered, and it's illegal in the UK to make a dog scream like that. The whole industry is about death, suffering and cruelty. This is just trying to make ourselves feel better about it.
Dear Bobby - In certain genetic lines of pigs, CO2 is really aversive. There are genetic differences in how pigs react to CO2. Genetic selection may reduce aversiveness. There are tradeoffs. Group handling in CO2 systems makes it possible to completely eliminate electric prods. In the best large electrical stunning systems, electric prods may be needed on about 15% of the pigs to move them through a single file race to the stunner. There is more information on www.grandin.com
@@TempleGrandin Thanks for that info. One of the main studies I was reading is when they had a dozen pigs they exposed to stunning but they didn't kill the pigs. Then they put food in the area that led to the stunning. Not a single pig would get the food. In fact, they all went over 3 days without eating. That's how bad they didn't want to go back to the stunning area. I also watched a video clip from a plant in Australia and they showed the pigs being stunned over the course of a few hours. All of the pigs started trying to get out of the gondola once they were lowered into the CO2. They were clearly under distress. I honestly think electrocution is more humane when compared to CO2 stunning.
@@1969MARKETING Dear Bobby - Electric stunning induces instantaneous unconsciousness and it is definitely more humane compared to pigs that react badly to CO2.
What's better for the animals who will be killed for food until people stop eating meat -- trying to make current slaughter practices more humane, or protesting with a PETA sign? In an ideal world everyone will do what you want, but we don't live in an ideal world. Also, you do realize humanity has already stripped many varieties of domestic meat animals of their ability to survive and thrive without human attention -- pretty much the definition of "domestication", truthfully. By controlling their breeding vs letting evolution do its thing, not all varieties of pig would be able to survive without us, and cattle will never be able to take the ecological niche of the aurochs or buffalo. So their many species will die out completely, or be in zoos, etc -- what man has tamed, he has responsibility for. We have a responsibility as a species to all the other species we have domesticated to attempt to make the lives they lead better, and not just in the distant future when we can eat resequenced proteins that actually taste like meat, but in the now. And people who are addressing inhumane slaughter practices, like Temple, are doing more for practical animal welfare now than the anti-meat protesters have done to reduce demand for meat.
@@complyvoluntarily Besides the fact that the first humans were HUNTERS and gatherers. And the fact that humans get a lot of important proteins from meats that we need.
Do'nt talk about 'humane' treatment while YOU yourself don't want to be treated in the same way; otherwise you just show that you are a hypocrite and liar...!
The1PinkPanther what are you talking about? I don't think we eat human beings do we? This is part of a food chain we eat to live,, this is not just killing animals for fun it's to sustain life not everybody can survive off eating grass, and yes I want to see are animals that are being farmed treated humanely and not being tortured and stress which we know is still a problem because there are people that are just plain cruel and don't follow the guidelines and that's what he is trying to enforce to make a more Humane and efficient way to slaughtering are livestock, but to say don't want to be treated that way you're being a hypocrite, that's just idiotic if you don't want to eat meat don't and if you want to make a difference for livestock report problems if you can make a comment like that well you must be active in the animal right so report the problems otherwise you're just being a keyboard Warrior which means shit and you're not protecting or helping anything.
PLEASE can we test this out on you, Temple Grandin? Oh, why not? It's so WONDERFUL AND KIND. What you have done on this earth is pure evil and the work of the devil.
Candy Colored Clowns glad you prefer the more inhumane slaughterhouses over her system. people will eat meat no matter what you say. at least make it a bit easier on the animals.
bred hed :o why no footage of the actual death??? Have you watched? Doyou pay for this to happen? Meat is artery clogging death, humans are herbivores.
complyvoluntarily of course i've never seen this happen. How in the hell does an average person like me get access to a slaughterhouse of any kind 🙄 lets not ask stupid questions now. Her technique compared to many other slaughtering techniques are a whole lot humane than you think. I can assure you that. CO2 gas chambers are terrible, i'm not denying that. But i would rather choose that over being cut wide open from neck to anus alive and hung upside down to bleed out. Humans are NOT herbivores. Not biologically. If anyone claims that, they skipped their entire education career and should not be trusted. Now some humans CAN survive solely based on a plant diet, there isn't wrong w that. But to just ignore science and say that all humans are herbivores, when we've evolved to be omnivores since the beginning of time is simply outrageous. Saying stuff like that is exactly why nobody likes vegans, and i'm one myself ! No matter how hard you'll try to deny it, its just a cold fact - people will continue to eat regardless of what these poor animals go through. You can't just expect the whole human race to switch to veganism. Its not realistic. So you either stay in your little bubble of unrealistic ideas, or you actually come down to earth and contribute something helpful to this predicament, other than patronize people on the internet.
I worked in a kosher beef plant in the early 1990's. I worked in the kill floor. I ran the floor chute, it lays the animal on its side so a shackle can be attached to the hoof. I often had to use a prod to get them in the chute. It was a utility beef plant. i.e. old dairy cattle ect. Some of the cattle had tears coming out of there eyes, they knew what was going to happen to them.. If Temple here can make it less stressful for animals , KUDOS. something needs to be done.
I don't know how you worked in a place like that. All slaughter houses need this woman. But nothing is humane.
@@farrierette5216 It was in the early 1990s and I had a family to feed. I paid a price mentally as well. That factory was closed in the late 1990s and has since been tore down. Everyone's meat comes from somewhere.
@@triple8construction I wasn't trying to be mean to you. I am glad that you came out and said something needs to be done kudos to you!
Exactly, there is no such thing as humane slaughter, even the idea s of Grandin are much better than it were before!!!
I’ve seen the carbon dioxide chamber full of pigs and they scream and thrashing in there for their lives!!!
Watch the documentary DOMINION!!!
The best thing we can do to respect animals is to go vegan 🌱
Or better still, pls 🙏🏻 just stop eating them and go vegetarian. I was a beef farmer. Now vegan. My compassionate beliefs for humans and animals now aligns with my actions and I feel clean, healthy and a huge weight lifted from my shoulders!
I just found your vids, and boy am I glad. I have followed your work for some time, down to earth and practical, realistic, and humane. I know your story and I am very glad God saw fit to share you with the rest of us. And I know many animals, in their own way, are glad also. Please continue all ur good work, we need you!
I am taking an Animal Welfare course at the NSAC with Jane Morrigan. She showed us your youtube channel today and very glad that she did! So helpful in understanding these systems! Your an inspiration!
@TempleGrandin Thank you for uploading these videos... I teach Large Animal courses to Veterinary Technician students and we always end up talking about welfare issues in our food animals. Seeing your videos helps to let them know that we can all make a difference in these animal's lives including humane deaths. We still have a long way to go (as far as the veterinary care tha large animals receive) but the difference you have helped make is inspiring to the students. Thank you
I am shocked at how horribly you people treat this woman. She has revolutionized the industry. People are never going to stop eating meat. What is wrong with what she is doing? She's making sure these animals are as stress free as possible and providing the rules and science behind quick and painless, humane methods. She's an amazing woman.. you rabid vegetarians and vegan are doing more harm than good by demonizing her. I see no animal screaming in pain in any of her designed houses or any of her videos.. grow up and recognize that she is the BEST hope we have for the humane treatment of livestock intended for food!
Agree. I'm thinking about going vegetarian but most people will NEVER stop eating meat. Meat was probably the first thing ever consumed by humans. So why not try to find the least painful and most humane possible to slaughter animals.
thank you some people are just ignorant.
She was abused by the medical research industry. They gave her endless radiation tests to research autism.
I met Temple Grandin. She's an amazing woman and animals everywhere are lucky she exists!
In response to Wykydtronx4055x - Thanks for the comment. One of the problems is that the equipment is designed to use a gas that is heavier than air. Gravity holds the CO2 in the pit that the gondolas descent into. CO2 or Argon are the only gasses that will remain in the pit.
Whether it's electrical stunning or CO2 stunning, the pigs must stay 100% unconscious every second from the second they're made unconscious through the blade cutting their necks through to the second they pass away from being bled out. So therefore the pigs are never aware again after the stunning, and never endure even a fraction of a second of suffering. You have been able to make doing this completely successful, right.
@N Allen Dear N. Allen - Thanks for the post. In this world, we need to learn how to maintain high standards of animal welfare.
This lady is one of the world authorities on this stuff. She is seriously an advocate for animal welfare. You have to accept that slaughtering animals will never stop as humans want meat, but she is an absolute databank on regulations across the world. She is doing these videos to make the info available for everyone to make sure the right things are done, regardless where you are in the world.
@TempleGrandin How do you feel about captive bolt and pithing as a form of stunning.
All she's doing is working to make the slaughter of animals more humane, and she's already done immense work in this area. Meat consumption isn't going anywhere, she knows this, so she's trying to make the animals as comfortable as possible. Stop attacking this woman.
@@thejack9178 Of course you can, if you put your mind to it, anything is possible.
I am vegetarian and I don't like that people eat animals, but nothing I can do will stop them. The way I see it is that the next best thing is to treat the animals properly. They deserve respect and consideration. I think Temple Grandin is someone to be admired for her work that has helped to make things better for meat animals.
plants are living things too
@TempleGrandin
I think I could do that. The problem is, I live far away. Thank you for everyting you do.
I am curious, has another heavy gas such as nitrogen been tried? If so, would not the stressful reaction to the sensation of suffocation be reduced or eliminated?
Doesn't CO2 produce the feeling of suffocation? If I'm not mistaken the feeling of suffocation is produced by a build up of CO2 in the lungs, not an absence of O2.
So if this system was to remain humane, wouldn't you need to use a non-CO2 inert gas like Nitrogen?
Yes, it does. Kind of like the gas chambers in the holocaust. It is really disturbing to me.Death doesn't come instantly and can go on for a few minutes by suffocation. The way animals in 3rd world countries are sometimes killed is by slitting the carotid artery. I know it sounds painful but if done correctly the animal will only feel the initial stab wound and the animal will pass out in about 2 seconds by bleeding by lack of oxygen to their brain. In someways this sounds more humane. All methods are scary.
I don't understand, Temple. Why won't you mention that a lot of the pigs going down under CO2 scream to the top of their lungs to the highest pitch anyone will ever experience hearing? Why are you saying that they simply might kick and throw a fit to escape the gondola? Why are you understating the extent of distress and discomfort some of these animals may experience during CO2 stunning? The people of the internet age have seen way too many videos and footages of this process around the world for you to brush the gravity of potential cruelty associated with CO2 stunning under the rug like that.
Dear Miss Lee - There are definite welfare concerns with CO2. I have observed that there are genetic differences on how pigs react to CO2. Some pigs have a very bad reaction and others are calm. The industry has avoided looking at this problem. I had a study set up to determine if pig breeding could be used to reduce bad reactions. One big company cancelled my study and others refused to participate because they do not want to look inside the box. Sincerely, Temple Grandin
@TempleGrandin could you do a video on Co2 euthanasia piglets with systems like the one from VAST as an alternative to blunt force. Thank you
That is exactly what I still think. The only difference between other carnivores and us, is that we are smart enough to build cages and slaughter machines. We also breed animals for the sole purpose of slaughtering and eating. Do you really think that if a lion could get food without having to hunt for it that they would still hunt for it? I don't think so.
that lady really knows her job if you are familiar with animals you no she's not bullshiting well done to you
if a pig returns to consicousness what do they do with the pigs do they do the same thing or do they do a different method
You say big corporations do what they do to make vast sums of money, and I agree. But I also know that ALOT of people love pork and bacon, and I also know that you as one person, or even everyone in the world that feels the same way won't stop the production and sale of meat from live animals. Since the beginning of time, animals have eaten other animals. All that money is simply a by-product created by humans for humans.
Dr. Grandin, as you know, neurotic behaviors such as cannibalism and tail-biting result from the confinement of crowded pens, and so farmers use pliers to break off the ends of piglets' teeth and cut off their tails without any painkillers.
Have you any recommendations to lessen the suffering of this inhumane handling?
All of your complaints on here matter not. People will still be eating pork, beef, lamb, and many other meats tomorrow and the next day and the next.
I heard that the CO2 is very painful for their eyes and mucous membranes. Is this not true?
I know people are against slaughter, but if its handled with efficiency and the animal is treated good I don't have a problem with it.
Ah okay well that's good that.. YOU don't have a problem with it. Funny how you look at the problem from your own ego point of view. question is: Does the VICTIM have a problem with it? How the Fuck can you even place ''slaughter'' and ''treated good'' in the same sentence. You don't have a problem with it, does the animal have a problem with getting its life taken away at a young age hmm? What do you think? Seriously WAKE.. THE.. FUCK.. UP. This is a big lie. You can't take a life from a innocent animal that wants to live, JUST because you like the taste of it. And not just one animal, we are talking about breeding and killing 50+ billions of land animals each year, just because ''bacon''.
@Neil Allen go watch commercial co2 stunning of pigs. jesus would not approve, we have options today, grocery stores full of nuts, seeds, grains, beans, etc. poor comparison you make.
if we can get more protein from plants, killing animals is unnecessary
@@coryleblanc that protein is different though
And all these things are done for the piglets well-being in the long run. It would more cruel to let them grow up with their tails being bitten and getting infected. You guys all have to stop putting so much emotion into this process. It's as simple as this: we need food to live, animals provide food for us and this is simply an efficient way to achieve that
100,000 pigs die en route to slaughter each year, and more than 400,000 arrive crippled from the journey.
Have you, Dr. Grandin, any suggestions for the pigs' humane handling BEFORE he arrives to slaughter?
@petermines I appreciate the reply. I have helped with butchering and I do like it done as humanely as possible. I have seen butchering done very badly and find that intolerable. I have seen adults give the gun to small children to shoot (poorly) caged wild pigs... fine to let them understand, but cruel to the animal.
Wouldn't Nitrogen be a less painful way to suffocate an animal, since it allows the animal to continue to exhale carbon dioxide?
Why not use nitrogen to induce hypoxia instead of CO2 which induces a feeling of suffocation?
Dang said this then saw your comment. seriously though it is literally 70% of the atmosphere. That shit is easy to get.
@@Wykydtronx4055x Cannot be kept in the pit without mixing with Oxygen from the air. Nitrogen is very slightly lighter than Oxygen.
I am curious about where you got your information about wire cages because there use would be wrong. As a swine producer I assure you that cages aren't used. I would like to ask a personal question to address baby pigs treatment. If you're a man were you circumcised, and do you remember any pain from it? Pigs are castrated to reduce aggression. The mutilation of the ears is identification to give the best care possible. The teeth are so the pigs don't grow tusks which becomes a safety issue.
why is all the audio in my left ear
The CO2 has rendered your other ear insensate.
cheers.
would like your thoughts on animal shelter gas chambers.
@TheAngeltoDemon I was thinking of the exact same thing.
@sludgedozer Sorry I haven't been on my account in a while. I know where my food comes from, I grow it, and yours, and know a lot of other people who do to. Also I know many people who either work, or have worked in large packing plants, while I work in a facility that process a Universities animals, I am sorry to say but many of those videos misrepresent animal agriculture. I am not saying those things don't happen, but they are not widespread as is portrayed; we frown on them in industry too.
Cutting off a piglet's tail hurts them for a little while, but then are better off in the long run because they will not suffer infection from tail biting. A small price to pay, I say.
The killing of prey species in the WILD is a process that we, as humans, accept as natural.
Leona the lioness has no obligation, moral or otherwise, to make nicey-nice with Bambi the deer. Leona's obligation is to survive and feed her cubs. Human survival, however, is not contingent upon killing and eating animals.
A view to the kill: Leona's prey lived their entire lives free up until the very last moments before death.
I love that!
Why not Nitrogen it is more abundant and not gag reflex.
Non-automated systems also make jobs!
@haymarketmassacre
There is no danger to operators in using CO2. Whilst the gas itself is not poisonous it will not support life. CO2 is only a component of the air we breath but due to it's density it displaces the oxygen. Due to the weight of the carbon dioxide it remains at the bottom of the stun pit. The animal when lowered into the gas it is rendered unconcious through asphyxiation by oxygen depravation.
It is still and unpleasant way to be put to sleep.
@readersx I said I don't like it but I can't stop it. I'm not going to condemn people for it. And btw, my husband and I might move to a place where people mostly eat fish, whales, and caribou, but that doesn't mean we will give up our vegetarian lifestyle, nor does it mean that we will try to stop other people from living the way they have for a very long time in a place where they can't even grow crops.
could you say something about halal meat killing.
What a shame that someone who understands animals so well, uses that against them. Shame on you Temple.
Tantric Vegan - There are problems with CO2 stunning and the industry has been very reluctant to study them.
@@cherylmiller2124 I've heard the screams of pigs being gassed as they thrash around in pain for up to a minute while they burn inside. The industry only cares about profit. No concern for the animals or the planet.
@@kerryfirehorse This response was actually from Temple Grandin. I am her assistant.
@@cherylmiller2124 Ok, but I feel the same way about this matter. As an autistic person myself, I use my understanding and connection with animals to protect them. They are not food.
@@kerryfirehorse Yes they are food, very yummy food!
Farrow barn worker here, we don't stun our babies before giving them CO2. It's horrible for babies but brilliant for finished pigs. I prefer " thumping" much quicker. Btw you're awesome. Never knew there were others like me.
@@sherifor3220 sick indeed. this is learned behavior, anyone new to this would be disgusted.
You're a fucking monster.
@@InscrutableSloth Fascist. Reported.
So 500,000 pigs die or are injured before they get to the slaughter house? You say this is cruel. Maybe it is. But if you are that worried about animals suffering, why aren't you trying to stop every other Carniverous animal on the Earth from catching and devouring animals while they are still alive? When you compare a human's method of catching and killing animals to, let's say, a lion, does it not seem so bad?
Carbon dioxide stunning is verry painful to the animal just like it's painful to us. carbon monoxide is the one that's painless. that's why people kill themselves with car exhaust.
Agree that carbon monoxide is painless but it is too dangerous to use in a commercial slaughter plant. I have observed that there are genetic differences in how animals react to CO2. Some pigs react calmly and others have a bad reaction. In the U.S. the genetics with the most reaction is seldom used. I have more information on www.grandin.com - In regards to your comment on Design of Cattle stun boxes - A penetrating captive bolt will also result in instant destruction of the brain and death of the animal. When the captive bolt is well maintained, it will have the same effect as a bullet. Penetrating captive bolt is used in most large slaughter plants.
@@cherylmiller3189 who really gives a fuck about this comment, or your knowledge of how a Pig reacts to being killed ?
Are you proud that you supplied you-tube viewers with this information ?
Get a life!
@@robbyrocks3665 What crawled up your ass?
Why use CO2? Use CO or Nitrogen.
CO2 is heavier than air, so it's easier to contain using gravity. This allows for an open chamber into which a continuous conveyor of pigs can be lowered. CO or nitrogen are lighter than air and would need a sealed chamber, which would be more costly and process much fewer pigs at a time. Also, producing nitrogen at scale for this purpose would be costly as well. Might as well do electric stunning.
Everyone at some point in their lives should probably slaughter their own stock.
This woman reminds me of Androgynous Pat from SNL.
thank goodness im vegan :(
@sludgedozer There actually are some health benefits to circumcised there's some preliminary research that suggests that it might decrease the contraction of HIV, and circumcised men are less likely to contract various bacterial infections. Though those things were not part of my point. Additionally I grew up on a family farm, even if we do raise around 6,000 pigs a year. Around 90% of all farms are family owned, it might actually be higher but I don't have the statistics in front of me.
Is this some kind of joke? And if it were only a few pigs who were bothered by it, then given the amount we slaughter internationally per year, then that adds up to millions bothered, and it's illegal in the UK to make a dog scream like that. The whole industry is about death, suffering and cruelty. This is just trying to make ourselves feel better about it.
Stop having a fucking go at her, it's not her fault!!
My left ear enjoyed this video
CO2 def. makes the animal suffer. more studies and videos are now available.
Dear Bobby - In certain genetic lines of pigs, CO2 is really aversive. There are genetic differences in how pigs react to CO2. Genetic selection may reduce aversiveness. There are tradeoffs. Group handling in CO2 systems makes it possible to completely eliminate electric prods. In the best large electrical stunning systems, electric prods may be needed on about 15% of the pigs to move them through a single file race to the stunner. There is more information on www.grandin.com
@@TempleGrandin Thanks for that info. One of the main studies I was reading is when they had a dozen pigs they exposed to stunning but they didn't kill the pigs. Then they put food in the area that led to the stunning. Not a single pig would get the food. In fact, they all went over 3 days without eating. That's how bad they didn't want to go back to the stunning area.
I also watched a video clip from a plant in Australia and they showed the pigs being stunned over the course of a few hours.
All of the pigs started trying to get out of the gondola once they were lowered into the CO2. They were clearly under distress.
I honestly think electrocution is more humane when compared to CO2 stunning.
@@1969MARKETING Dear Bobby - Electric stunning induces instantaneous unconsciousness and it is definitely more humane compared to pigs that react badly to CO2.
Gulp! I'm just glad Dr. Grandin wasn't born a generation earlier...in Germany...
many. people. like her were
how about not eating meat?
THANK YOU
jake gt they are bred for consumers...stop buying this shit and they stop breeding. Farmers can grow vegis, we are herbivores without question.
What's better for the animals who will be killed for food until people stop eating meat -- trying to make current slaughter practices more humane, or protesting with a PETA sign? In an ideal world everyone will do what you want, but we don't live in an ideal world.
Also, you do realize humanity has already stripped many varieties of domestic meat animals of their ability to survive and thrive without human attention -- pretty much the definition of "domestication", truthfully. By controlling their breeding vs letting evolution do its thing, not all varieties of pig would be able to survive without us, and cattle will never be able to take the ecological niche of the aurochs or buffalo. So their many species will die out completely, or be in zoos, etc -- what man has tamed, he has responsibility for.
We have a responsibility as a species to all the other species we have domesticated to attempt to make the lives they lead better, and not just in the distant future when we can eat resequenced proteins that actually taste like meat, but in the now. And people who are addressing inhumane slaughter practices, like Temple, are doing more for practical animal welfare now than the anti-meat protesters have done to reduce demand for meat.
Not eat meat? Really? How about you posting your permission slip from your parents to use CZcams
@@complyvoluntarily Besides the fact that the first humans were HUNTERS and gatherers. And the fact that humans get a lot of important proteins from meats that we need.
The Dr. Kervorkian of farm animals. It's horrible no mattet what .
temple Grandin says she can understand the experience from the animals - yet she thinka it's ok to murder them.
I wonder whether it would be o.k. for her to swap places with the animals; if not, she's obviously nothing but a hypocrite and liar!
Watch the movie on her life. She understands animals better than anyone since she is very autistic.
Humane slaughter! Hopefully future perpetrators of genocide might utilize your learnings
Do'nt talk about 'humane' treatment while YOU yourself don't want to be
treated in the same way; otherwise you just show that you are a
hypocrite and liar...!
The1PinkPanther what are you talking about? I don't think we eat human beings do we? This is part of a food chain we eat to live,, this is not just killing animals for fun it's to sustain life not everybody can survive off eating grass, and yes I want to see are animals that are being farmed treated humanely and not being tortured and stress which we know is still a problem because there are people that are just plain cruel and don't follow the guidelines and that's what he is trying to enforce to make a more Humane and efficient way to slaughtering are livestock, but to say don't want to be treated that way you're being a hypocrite, that's just idiotic if you don't want to eat meat don't and if you want to make a difference for livestock report problems if you can make a comment like that well you must be active in the animal right so report the problems otherwise you're just being a keyboard Warrior which means shit and you're not protecting or helping anything.
I bet you get triggered when someone mentions the circle of life or the fact that animals are not equals to humans.
Keeping animals in a slaughterhouse no matter the way they are killed is unnatural and just plain wrong. Leave the pigs alone.
Okay then let's kill them outside.
LIER NOT SECONDS 5 MINUTE
shes lieing, she looked to the side when she said there only nerves.clearly a sign of lieing.
you can have correctly stunned pig kicking is fine,no its not not relaxed enough, lie lie lie.
PLEASE can we test this out on you, Temple Grandin? Oh, why not? It's so WONDERFUL AND KIND.
What you have done on this earth is pure evil and the work of the devil.
Candy Colored Clowns glad you prefer the more inhumane slaughterhouses over her system. people will eat meat no matter what you say. at least make it a bit easier on the animals.
bred hed :o why no footage of the actual death??? Have you watched? Doyou pay for this to happen? Meat is artery clogging death, humans are herbivores.
complyvoluntarily of course i've never seen this happen. How in the hell does an average person like me get access to a slaughterhouse of any kind 🙄 lets not ask stupid questions now. Her technique compared to many other slaughtering techniques are a whole lot humane than you think. I can assure you that. CO2 gas chambers are terrible, i'm not denying that. But i would rather choose that over being cut wide open from neck to anus alive and hung upside down to bleed out.
Humans are NOT herbivores. Not biologically. If anyone claims that, they skipped their entire education career and should not be trusted. Now some humans CAN survive solely based on a plant diet, there isn't wrong w that. But to just ignore science and say that all humans are herbivores, when we've evolved to be omnivores since the beginning of time is simply outrageous. Saying stuff like that is exactly why nobody likes vegans, and i'm one myself !
No matter how hard you'll try to deny it, its just a cold fact - people will continue to eat regardless of what these poor animals go through. You can't just expect the whole human race to switch to veganism. Its not realistic. So you either stay in your little bubble of unrealistic ideas, or you actually come down to earth and contribute something helpful to this predicament, other than patronize people on the internet.
Trying to make the slaughter of animals less painful and cruel? Yes. Definitely evil. Idiot.
They (all) suffer up to 35 secconds un tillen they suffocate.
It's shamefull to defend it!!!!
GO VEGAN!
i bet the nazis had someone talking about this the same way about their gas chambers for the holocaust.
Dear Sheib - The holocaust was totally evil. Temple Grandin
@@cherylmiller2124 and what we are doing to those animals isnt?
This is incorrect the Nazis didn't care about the welfare of the Jews they put in prison camps