Bad Gear - Roland Boutique JX08
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Welcome to Bad Gear, the show about the world's most hated audio tools. Today we are going to talk about the Roland Boutique JX-08. Is this digital recreation of the classic Roland JX-8P from the 80s up to the job of creating classic vintage synth sounds? Is it not the 80s?
Thanks to Klangfarbe for lending me one of their floor models:
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro tune
01:00 Overview Roland Boutique JX08
01:20 Synth Engine, ABM vs. ACB Technology
01:59 Oscillator Section, X-Mod, Sync, Unison
02:23 Filter Section, Filter Type Comparison, High Pass
03:05 UI vs. Stock vs. PG-800 Programmer, Modulators
03:23 Compatibility to the Original (or lack thereof)
03:49 Additional Features, FX Section
04:13 Clock in, Arpeggiator
04:20 Bitimbrality, Sequencer, Motion Recording
04:58 Polyphony
05:12 Does it sound like the original?
05:41 What else??? Pricing, Thanks,...
06:05 Hate
06:32 Jam 1 (80s Chord Progression)
07:32 Jam 2 (Synthwave)
08:20 Finale (Deep House)
08:50 Verdict - Hudba
Audiopilz: *slaps roof of YT channel*
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Knew u we’re gonna keep the syntakt
Hey man, how can I get a hold of you to make an intro beat for my twitch channel?
Does the JX08 have the Polysynth patch that the JX8P has ? It sounds exactly like this intro czcams.com/video/R2f8KvURNw8/video.html
@@Venatt1 uuuuh whatever that is, it does NOT sound good to my ears. Even the mix of it is flat, voice sounds slightly rushed and again flat, drums dry and flat. The song needs a can or two of red bull and some enthusiasm. Sonic signature of an empty 80's gym hall.
@@noth606 are you aware that this Band received the Latin Grammy of Music Excellence in 2023 ? one of many they've received through out their career, specially the lead singer on his solo albums.
Ever noticed how familiar things from your childhood look so much smaller when you revisit them as a grown up? 😊
Lol, so true!
Coming from Roldmart is not much to speect 😜
Yes. Everytime I go to the restroom😢😢😢
@@Broyale26 😁
@@Broyale26 Hahaha!
On a more serious note, though, it's so true. I remember my childhood house looking huge to me when I was a kid. There were these pillars in front, and I thought they were like giant. I saw it once years after we moved out and was like "Oh, wow," heh (looked *so* much smaller)
An Album of Bad Gear full tracks would be an 80s dream come true.
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+1 here. That 80s jam SLAPPED
This so much. I alwaya come away from these videos wishing I could just continue listening to the jams.
@@AudioPilz would pay big euros for that compact disc
This is such a great idea. Would definitely buy!
JX08 is the best boutique yet, it's easy VA, more voices and filter types than original and those effects! It's amazing tbh
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Too bad they replaced the presets with mostly bad ones.
It’s nice in many ways: voices, bi-timbral, fx, aux input, power options, clock options, filter, sequencer is quite powerful. The best portable synth for me. And it it’s good for acid sounds too!
"It's a Roland" is absolutely your best moment ever.
Thank you so much!!!
As someone who owns all the Boutique's the JX-08's range of sounds might be the greatest of them all.
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Greater than even JD-08 and D-05? Really?
Does the JX08 have the Polysynth patch that the JX8P has ? It sounds exactly like this intro czcams.com/video/R2f8KvURNw8/video.html
@@Venatt1 it's possible, and if it doesn't, you can always make it yourself, vintage patches aren't complex, unlike Kontakt soundscapes or something
The chorus sold me on this, it sounds MASSIVE with the 2nd button. I wanted a poly synth with hands on control within a modest budget and I didn't care if it sounded like the original as I wanted to make music.
Yeah, it works really well if you see it this way...
It's also got an emulation of the Roland's Dimension D chorus on there in the multi-fx menu, which is a nice surprise
Same here. I wanted a backpack friendly real synth. With the Boutique keyboard it's lovely for that purpose. I don't know anything about the original thing
Yeh I have several boutiques bought with the same feeling. The JD-08 is a great synth despite not being true to the original.
same here +1
There's not a greater love story in the world than Florian and Roland.
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@@AudioPilz 😱😱😱Roland😱😱😱
_( cue: Bad Romance)_
Uli gets jealous ;-)
Every time a boutique style synth is released, Espen Kraft cries himself to sleep.
Great video once again
Thank you!!!
That Espen Kraft meme is hilarious. I can’t wait for him to cover the Japanese Keyboard magazines of the 80s and 90s
Yeah, he is - after all - the 80s
I've never made it to the video this fast!
Great episode as always! :)
Thank you so much!!!
I bought a JX-08 and love it! I wasn't expecting a bit or bit recreation. It makes lovely sounds on its own.
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What a joy to see my TRASH WHERE IT BELONGS meme make its way to Bad Gear. Thanks for that, Florian.
Thank you so much! Nice one!
It seems like US retailers have this on sale for $349 right now. I'm kind of feeling it at that price. You're tempting me into making another Bad Gear decision once again, Florian!
That's a really nice offer!
Yep. US $349.99, or $439.99 bundled with a keyboard at Guitar Center. Do we need more Bad Gear? 🤔Yes, I believe we do! ☺
Maybe wait bit more and buy Behringer pro 800 for 399$.
Go for the JD-08 instead! 👍
Yeah I’m gonna have to get the Behringer pro 800 for that price
I mean, it sounds fantastic.
JX8P was always the "favorite child" of my Roland collection, so I don't expect it will be a satisfying recreation for me, but...
At the end of the day, it still sounds great. They maybe should have just sold it as it's own thing, though...?
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Great work and amazing videos! I’m always looking forward to fridays!
Thank you so much!!!
Inappropriately labeled deep house was your best jam ever! Listening for 5th time please release appropriately lengthened mix ❤
Thank you so much!!! Shameless plug: full tracks and extended jams can be found on Patreon ❤️❤️❤️
Despite not being a faithful recreation it sounds stellar regardless!
I liked the results quite a bit!
you're right there!
killing it as always, love the consistency and ur memes never fail to make me giggle
Thank you!!!
YOU ARE HILARIOUS! Anyone wanting a thorough, critical review of an instrument they are considering purchasing- definitely appreciates your reviews! Same goes for those who enjoy laughing their asses off, regardless of any interest in gear. I happen to be both. Subscribed.
Thank you so much!!!
Wow. Your videos are packed with content, facts, captions, edits, music, track creations etc.. Let me just appreciate for one minute the amount of time and work spent putting this together....
I quite like the boutique range to be honest. sure there are more compromises than you could shake a stick at, but Id have one in a heartbeat.
Thank you so much!!!
roland should have its own segment on your show
Welcome to Roland Gear, the show where we roland Roland
Maybe we should categorize them on playlists made for each monstrosity!
@@AudioPilz hahah
There is already a separate Roland playlist though:
czcams.com/play/PLRkn2QTxcJf4Mrvnniahn439JvgEDSKMJ.html
@@fileunderwater Amazing!
I think you're right regarding the boutique range. Roland should do more to emphasise that these are not a reissue of the old synths but a budget synth made with influence from the classic ones. This would make a lot more sense and maybe upset less people, and let them know more accurately what they are getting.
Now if people want a true remake, there's a guy called Uli who seems like he's really into doing that.
Yeah, Uli really changed the game
You can always tell how good the gear is by the intro! Great video as per usual! Love your content! ❤
Thank you!!! Yeah, this one worked pretty well
Speaking of Roland, you should definitely feature the SH-4D in the show, that belongs in the "straight to Bad Gear" category.
Great suggestion, thanks!!!
I find the JX-08 has more character than the 4d... 🤔
Interestingly I have it on my list, but it isn't available anywhere. I really want to buy it and forget about it in a couple of weeks.
Ok this is actually a decent piece of gear, well done on the 80's nostalgia remake there Florian, you really hit it off with the second tune. I wanted to say something funny as usual, but I got a new job and my mind is toast.
Thank you!!!
All your jams are killer as always dude, but that second one is definitely one of the most ''headbangable'' 80's anthems ever...wúnderbar!
Vielen Dånk!!!
I had a JX-08 for a little over a year, and honestly it sounds really great for what it is! With independent effects on both voices and the ability for each channel to be independently controlled by midi, you have a pretty powerful two voice module for a small hardware set-up. That being said, I found myself using the classic patches more than anything else and eventually sold it and bought a real JX-8P and love that even more 🙂.
Sometimes you just have to get the original😀😀😀
@@AudioPilz I guess I'm just destined for a life of #badgear 😉
I guess you drive to gigs then
@@rachelar I do, but I would never lug this thing around.
I'd say when you reach 100k subs you should make an all-boutique, all-volca jam. I'd buy the commemorative Jp-08 tweezer for it.
Great idea, thanks!!!
All machines that use 1 line LED from Roland
I have a JX-8P, but really like the JX-08. Its not exactly the same, but its like a new member of the family.
The tone of the JX-8P is better, richer when playing chords IMO, but I've heard some great sounds out of the JX-08. Its bitimberal, 20 note polyphonic and has good built in FX.
Word!
I’m just gonna say it: this sounds pretty good and it’s the best “Roland 80s DCO synth recreation” in the boutique line. Now I just hope everyone disagrees and the prices plummet so I can get one for dirt cheap.
I'd take two then!
Great work as always!
Thank you!!!
Haha another great addition and video. Top work outs as always. I do like how you always use an old yellow key midi controller to do these tracks, nuff respect ✊
Thank you so much!!!
Florian can make almost anything sound good. Very entertaining but it probably means the best way to know if I'll like it is to try it myself. Another great episode!
Thank you!!!
This was my first hardware synth. It took some time learning to use it properly, but it was fun and I loved the sound a lot ❤
Nice!!!
Thank you so much for the review. I liked the sound and the price so I will get one. Thanks for your great program!😊
Chasing ghosts has been a huge success.
Most probably makes sense from a business perspective
The techy house jam just shows this boutique is serious business. PS great jam btw...and love the homage to 2010.
Thank you so much!!!
A note regarding the noisy USB. If you are in the UK, use an official Apple iPhone or iPad charger to power it. They have a proper Earth connection which sorts out the USB noise (not sure if this applies to other country’s Apple chargers). This works on all the Boutiques. Obviously no good if you are connecting to a PC but useful if you are using them as a standalone synth.
Thanks for the heads up!!!
I'm sold. Good work!
Thank you!!!
I'm glad I've been able to basically watch this channel from the beginning. Because I would lose at least a week of my life watching every video up to this point.
Thanks for going all the way with me!
Wow, that was suprisingly... bassy! After all the bashing JX-08 got after the release (which OFC most came from comparing it to JX-8P) looks like you're one of the few to stand up for it, Florian. Great episode!
Thank you!!!
Right on! These are going for 350 in the US now, which seems eminently reasonable. I care less that it doesn't sound like JX-8P and more that it has a lot to recommend it in its own right. I may pick one up here before too long.
Ich bin so froh, dass Roland im Laufe der Jahre etwa drölfzichtausend Modelle veröffentlich hat. Auf dass die wöchentliche Bad Gear Party niemals enden möge! 🥂
Und die Benamung der Synths löst maximale Verwirrung bei minimaler Anzahl von Buchstaben und Ziffern aus.
Empfange mein Geld, Roland
Auf Roland ist Verlass!!!
In meiner Sammlung von altem Kram ist Roland etwas unterrepräsentiert, wenn ich mal durchzähle. Nur zwei Rackmodule und ein vor kurzem zugelaufener E-86. Trotz schöner Sounds hat mich der Roland-Pitchbender schon in den Achtzigern so gestört, dass ich mich nie wirklich für die ansonsten tollen Geräte erwärmen konnte. Rückblickend ist man immer schlauer…😂
your composition skills are unbelievable 🤩
Thank you so much!!!
Finale is perfect as always !
Thank you!!!
Thanks for another great episode. The boutiques are a fave by me overall, but I would probably opt for the SE. Future suggestion: The Behringer TD-3 MO.
Great suggestion, thank you!!!
I love these videos. I have to pause on the memes because I can't read that fast. I think I'm kind of slow. They don't call me son because I'm so bright. Thanks for doing these. Very educational. You're a pretty talented musician too.
Thank you!!!
Great video as usual ❤️
Thank you!!!
Very cool as usual. Epic bass at 6:37. 👍
Thank you!!!
I quite like this one for quick fun. I usually set up something repetitive on one part and then go a little crazy with the other part. It find it very performative all by itself. The bass sounds in your tracks hit really nicely.
Nice! Thanks!!!
How is it for smooth 80's pads?
I'm swayed. At first I was like "why did Roland leave out some key features of the Jx-8p?" and then I went and played my JX-3p and heard those ever slow digital envelopes. Well said here, this machine definitely wouldn't get as much hate if it wasn't marketed as an 8P.
Word!!!
My weekly synth education. Its breakfast time when I watch here in Oz, so I sit down with coffee, eggs, sausage and avocado, and enjoy some sweet pilz jams while learning about another synth i never knew existed.
Cheers!!!
Nice episode once again! Got my JX-08 for almost a year now and I'm still loving it. Bought it mainly because of its ultrafat bass sounds and they never disappoint and always sit great in the mix. (as perfectly demonstated in your jams!) Personally I dont care if it sounds exactly like a JX-8P. For my taste, it delivers this authentic 80s punch and thanks to several very good creamy choruses (chorae ??? :-) and a nice filter it's a great choice for every synthwave production. Luckily the polyphony of 20 voices and 1cm longer faders make it way more usable than other boutiques.
Thank you!!! Agreed!!!
Is the usb really noisey? With the JU06A its quiet so I'm surprised that a later boutique model would be noisey.
@@maccagrabme I have 8 different Boutiques, none have any USB noise. I did buy good quality power leads and supply's. YMMV.
*Chorusi
@@maccagrabme Yea it's pretty noisy. If I want to remove the noise I just run it with batteries.
Glad you covered the comparison. My JX8P has an issue and I've not looked at it for a bit, but this boutique doesn't sound quite the same, but it's nice in its own right.
Thanks!!! I'd probably pick the Boutique for more modern music
@@AudioPilz agree - it does those bubbly basses nicely and doesn’t quite sound like the filter is made of spongy foam like the original
Very good. Really enjoyed that.
Thank you!!!
Great video !!!! I was thinking in getting one of these.
Thank you!!!
Dude, the tracks you made on this baby are incredible!! Are you ever making a tutorial on how to achieve this magic?? I own one of these and I love it
Thank you! Great idea! Let's see if I can squeeze it in!
1:10 That almost sounded like Pokerface
Uh mamamama pa pa poker face...
Right. You have FINALLY completed covering my full gear setup. 😂
Congratulations!!!😀😀😀
@AudioPilz Hehe cheers buddy. EXCELLENT video as always. 👍
Sounds pretty darn cool!❤❤
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Fantastic verdict. I feel most of the complaints come from it's comparison to the original. If you look at the JX-08 as something different completely you have maybe one of the best portable polysynths on the market imo.
Thank you!!!
I am freakishly delighted to possess a pair of girly hands that are just so perfectly compatible with the UI on Roland synths! 🥰
Same here!
@@AudioPilz Too bad you are a sensible European Florian. If you lived in the US you could compensate by buying a gigantic pickup truck or SUV! 😉
You made that thing sound ridiculously cool!
Thank you!!!
Honestly I always thought the entire internet was kind of boring until I found Bad Gear. Click for the humor, stay for the jamz.
Thank you so much!!!
I love Wintage Roland analog polys!
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apparently Rolands business model involves not making as much money as they could. if they didnt want to "chase ghosts" they wouldnt manufacture digital clones of analog synths.
There's some truth to that!
@@AudioPilz I wish both behringer and roland would stop with the clone thing, and just try to develop really interesting instruments with innovative features, technology, and good sounds... its possible to take a cheap mixer, and feed it back into itself to turn it into a sort of 'oscillator'... maybe someone could design a synth based on that concept...
I was watching this with bated breath because this was my most recent synth purchase. I had three reasons for deciding on this one. Ranging from least to most petty, the combination of surface controls, two voices with independant sequencing, lots of polyphony, and internal effects combined with an overall sound I liked was the first consideration.
My music buddy -- I don't play conventional keyboards with comfort and this is an ongoing issue but he does, he had piano lessons as a kid --- once groaned out in response to a Depeche Mode song, "I love the eighties." And he's the one who'll be making the most use out of this.
And finally, our studio keyboard/synth is a Korg Poly-800. I wanted something that would sit on that stupid menu panel it has on the right-hand side that had ACTUAL CONTROLS. I swear, it gave me hives for decades.
So with that in mind, it was gratifying to hear you say nice things about the unit. I wish it had seperate controls for both envelopes and more waveforms but honestly, I like it a lot.
Happy to hear that!!! Thanks!!!
There's a lot of respected electronic engineers and designers behind this stuff. Sometimes it's just a case of supercession, ie. the item wasn't fully developed when more suitable new technologies became available. And some of the stuff you call bad, is just stuff that you're not using correctly.
True that!!!
Another Boutique is on the list boys!
I wonder how many there are left that aren't "bad gear".
There are quite some Boutique classics that didn't make it onto the show. Looking forward to these!
If you want the boutique series, the Roland system 8 is your best bang for the buck. Great effects after the various synth engines, a great engine of its own and of course actual 8 note polyphony
Roland taking a beating in this one! But quite frankly they did it to themselves 🤣
Also that chord progression at 5:06 gives me the feels so much. Reminds me of something that Captain would have used in Beyond Music or Space Debris (mods)
Hey, I was friendlier than Espen Kraft;)
When I saw the Boutique boxes, I thought how cool it would be if there was a keyboard version with a full synth case. Can everyone agree, please? Remember the Nordlead(s), all knobs to the left, a field to grow plants to the right.
You mean a Jupiter-X?;)
@@AudioPilz No, I think this box with its rather small form factor would suffice as a control panel on the left side. Roland could have taken over the PCB's like that. The whole thing would end up like a Nordlead, even with the flip-up control panel.
Considering how much synths have shrunk since the 80s, imagine what the rehashes of these boutique will look like in the 2050s?! Synth operated with electron microscopes?!
...and then there's the Schmidt Synth
That's a lot of great sounding synth . Ticking all the boxes. Tiny footprint . Big sound . This is that Roland sound that Is the most Rolandy .
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I actually have this one! Honestly it feels a bit superfluous to me - the chorus and FX are pretty good, and the front panel let you get close to the 'classic roland sounds' but it's never something I would go to first. The panel also seems like it would be immediate, but there are enough annoying shift functions that I always forget how to do /something/. I'm planning to get rid of it since it feels like my 707 fills its role more than capably.
Totally agree on it being a great synth if you look at it in a vacuum, though.
That sums it up nicely!!!
I guess having Zen-Core style filters, the Zen-MC's should sound similar enough, with the added bonus of being also a dumbed-down integra, a drum machine and a sampler (or sample player in the case of the MC-101. Sampling from USB doesn't count).
The extra ‘O’s in "world” had me rewind to make sure I heard it right o_O
Oh;)
Great video.
Thank you!
Honestly it sounds good
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As cool as Roland makes their stuff look, Bad Gear channel removed the curtain once again so that we can see what's up. This may not be bad, but it would be bad for my wallet. Thank you once again sir for saving me repackaging fees on return shipment.
Always a pleasure!!! Thank you!
Authenticity aside, the sounds coming out of this thing are amazing!
I liked it quite a bit too!
I appreciate the nod to 2010. Underrated, that one. But also 80s. ;)
Thanks!!! I found that one fitting!
That jam at 6:35 tho! Wow dope stuff 'Pilz! and the finale 8:21 deep house
Thank you so much!!!
HA!!!! I haven't recently bought this!!! Just like every Friday, thank you for making it 🍄❤️👽🤙🤙
Nice!!! Thank you!!!
sehr geil....vor allem die Soundbeispiele...
Vielen Dank!!!
looking at my JX8P while watching this!
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I love that I have to pause on all the fast clip "memes" rewatch value...."Aaaat the fiiirst glancee"
Happy to hear that!!! Thanks!!!
@@AudioPilz I'm happy aswell,
Keep up the good work
Grrrreetings from Gothenburg
Name a more iconic duo: Roland and Bad Gear
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Holding out for my _Boutique V-Synth!_
I'd like to try the original;)
2010 that’s a deep cut. Such an underrated movie.
Underrated!!!
This is your weekly reminder to do an episode on the Oberheim OB•12... :) you know what to do !
Of course I do;)
Despite being another expensive Roland boutique, i must recon it sounds damn great ! Waiting for the Aira compact version 😂
Lol
Cool video and not sure the referring to Kraft on just that video is happy happy joy joy!
Big fan of Espen. He really knows his stuff!
Mannn Sick burns on Roland! 🤣🤣🤣 And they deserve it! Thanks for another great show!
Thank you!!!
That Xzibit meme at 1:41 though! 🤣
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Nothing sounds like a Roland…and it’s not even my favorite synth…but it sounds really good.
Agreed!!!
Wow, those were some great sounding jams. Almost made me get out my credit card.
Thank you!!!
As usual Florian hits the nail on the head. This Boutique module really doesn’t capture much of the sound or the vibe of its namesake, but it sounds really good as its own thing. I could deal with the panel omissions but trying to simultaneously tweak the amp and filter envelopes from a single set of ADSR sliders is something I will not entertain. I’m considering selling my AX60 for this very reason.
Thanks!!! I really want an AX60 for the show though...
@@AudioPilz good choice. I have a severe love/hate relationship with the thing.
If you recall I am a proud owner of a Roland JX-8P (bought in later half of the 1980s) and Roland MKS-70 (essentially a Super JX in a rack mounted version) and the titular Roland Boutique JX08. I have always had an affinity for the interface of these instruments (even though I never owned a PG800). It's fair to say that the JX08 is not the same as a JX-8P but I am in my comfort zone programming these things and with all of the sliders etc it's even easier to get where I want to than on the 8P (programming on the MKS-70 is kind of a hassle so I don't do it. Rather I transfer sounds I make on the 8P to the MKS via carts) I love my 08 and am happy to have it in my collection.
You have a nice collection, sir!!!
Special Review Request: The back breaking 7 kg monster from 2001 - the Yamaha RS7000
Great idea, thanks!
Love my JX-08. It's great for gigging.
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I know the Sh-01a episode is coming one day, but is it bad gear? Find out next week.
I want to know too!