Piper Comanche 250 - Flying at Zero Airspeed
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- čas přidán 26. 12. 2019
- We talk to David about his Piper Comanche 250 airplane and then take it up in the air for some accelerated stalls and flight at zero airspeed!
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David seems like he would be a great instructor to learn from!
Agree. He clearly loves teaching.
So he’s actually my dad, when I got back from studying abroad he wanted one of the four of us to get licensed so I took him up on it. Almost all my hours were in a 1938 J-3 cub.... good times! Yeah, he was an awesome instructor :)
@@samuelvalaer7017 was?
Lol *is*
He’s still alive.
Great vid....very informative! Thanks!!!
Undoubtedly the best flying doodles vlog so far. David was so knowledgeable and made the flying experience fun. Thanks Bobby
Agreed. Very informative. Kudos.
Sounded like a show off to me
@@mccluremetalworks4214 Hi Danny. I respect what you say. I used to hate show offs but as long as they are not getting in my face or becoming obnoxious, I would rather be around them. They are far more nearer confidence than unable and unsure and anti social. I respect them for that. Do well Danny
David loves his flying. I could listen to him talk about peanuts and I'd be interested. His attitude and enthusiasm is contagious!!
Adding the airspeed guage cutaway shot was really cool. Made everything way more contextual.. thanks
"Flying at zero air speed"
*stands on the ground, makes funny plane sounds with his mouth
genius😂
i made a bet with a guy i could survive jumping out of a airplane without an parachute--i won the bet-- the airplane was parked
Love the Comanche 250. Haven't flown one in about 43 years, but I still recall what a sweet flying airplane it was.
The only airplane that can cruise with a Bonanza but has the landing speed of a C-182. Wings are built to 7.5 G’s load, Bonanza can’t do that. These planes are sooo underrated people have no idea what their capable of with a few simple speed mods. Spoiled brats that don’t like the overhead trim handle would rather spend another hundred grand Extra in the used market just to avoid that feature. There’s no airplane in the world for around sixty grand that gives you the speed and cabin space. Even a new Sling with an unreliable Rotax is at least double the price.
@@tropicthndr - I agree with everything you said... except that Rotax engines are unreliable. That's a myth. They got that reputation because so many early units were put into home built planes that were then not maintained by competent technicians. The Rotax engines are actually engineering masterpieces and extremely reliable - if you understand how the engine operates and simply respect that it isn't a Continental or Lycoming, and isn't supposed to be one.
Really wish Piper had kept the Comanche line instead of making a bunch of Cherokee versions. If for no other reason than the Comanche is so much nicer looking. But they didn’t ask me.
@@AN-gh6jf The only reason the comanches were discontinued is because Piper's factory flooded and they lost all their tooling and jigs/etc for building them. So it wasn't really cost effective to rebuild them all and continue production.
A crying shame really. One of the best airplanes Piler ever built. I owned a Twin Comanche and I loved that airplane.
@@tropicthndr WB an Rockwell Commander 112/114? The speed's lackin w the 112, but the 114's decently quick, and man thaat cabin volume is real close to a cabin class twin. There's a reason why those Commanders never gained popularity so goes without syaing
David is an awesome pilot. Thank you for finding him and recording this demonstration of aerodynamics.
Flying by manifold pressure and mixture settings is what Lindbergh taught in the pacific in order to almost double mileage.
,,, wasn't it more like a 15 percent improvement, by running lean of peak ?
Elisha, right on! I call my lean of peak and over square (per the engine manual) flying the "Lindbergh method"! MP is a key instrument.
@@davidvalaer8430 ,,, oh, so Doolittle's raiders could have went on to a warm reception in Moscow .
I can't believe nobody has an ultralight with fabric top wing and a pair of inflatable floats onboard their sailing ship yet.
It would soooo add to your adventures. YOU are the perfect candidate for that Bob...
David is amazing. He’s such a wealth of information, with very interesting explanations. In short, every pilot’s “dream instructor” ! This is one of my favorite rides you’ve given us. Safe skies !
This video brought back some great memories. I owned a 1963 PA-24-250 back in the mid seventies and eighties. Logged 2000 hours in it over a ten year span. That aircraft fit me like an old pair of shoes. Based in Sacramento, CA, I routinely covered the western states in it. It easily made flights like Sacramento to Cabo San Lucas and Sacramento to Havre, MT to Sacramento all in one day. Landed in Leadville, CO while enroute to Colorado Springs just to buy a t-shirt and show off it's high density altitude performance to the on-lookers. It always started in 3 blades regardless if it was hot or cold. Loved the ability to manage 90 gallons of fuel with two 15 gal. and two 30 gal. tanks. Oftentimes I ran the outboard tanks dry while monitoring the fuel pressure gauge. Some people complain about how the wings interact with ground effect making smooth landings difficult, but this is just not the case. You can easily grease the aircraft on 95% of the time and once you learn how to use the strong ground effect force to your advantage, you can safely get out of some pretty tight places, especially if you're heavy.
Thanks for sharing your experience and insight to stalls and especially with the PA 24 -250. I purchased my 1959 N5600P 6 months ago and the more I fly it, the more I feel comfortable and enjoy the plane. I have owned 6 Bonanza's and still think they are the most awesome flying machines, but for half the price, you can't beat a PA 24 250. I had trouble with landings until I got the speeds down to 80-85 on final and down to 75 ( Solo) across the numbers. Starting to grease it on finally. Hope you share more flying tips with the Comanche soon.
Bill, I have several hundred hours in a 250. You are right, the proper approach speed is 1.3 time stall speed in the landing configuration (bottom of white arc) which translates to just at 75mph. This will give you the best landing.
I absolutely LOVE the Comanche 250!
Great work, David!
David reminds me of Jim Lynne the guy that taught me, He wanted me to know what the aircraft would do in any situation...so to that we took the aircraft out of normal limits of most instructors. Its a shame only a few instructors have that attitude today. One of my favorite videos ever.
I have a 180 hp comanche. Im a pilot/mechanic. I can honestly say, out of all the airplanes I have worked on/flown--I have never been more impressed by any other aircraft than the comanche. Easy to maintain, astoundingly good on gas, lifts some weight (even the 180hp), easy to fly, and fast as hell. I can understand why piper stopped making them (overbuilt and expensive). But damn, they got that one right (and it was their first all metal aircraft!!!). Beautiful airplane. Through and through. Who needs a Cirrus??
YEP.
The factory was destroyed.
@reverse thrust Fire.
@@freakfly23 It was flooded ,destroying about 100 aircraft and causing an estimated $23 million and also damaging Tooling necessary for production of several designs, including the Aztec, Navajo, and Comanche,
Thaaaat was the best episode ever!! 😄
One of the best Flying Doodles videos I’ve seen so far. Keep it up ! 👍
David seems like a really thoughtful and knowledgeable instructor and one thing that might be easy to miss is that he frequently checks to make sure the rear seat passenger is comfortable: it’s proof positive that he’s not out to scare anyone or show off - it’s purely an instructional exercise. It’s also one that highly-respected (also extremely deeply knowledgeable) instructor does a very interesting video with Martin Pauly on *his* channel about the “v_g” or “velocity-gust” chart - basically a plot of g-load against airspeed and an illustration of an aeroplanes ‘flying envelope’. Very deep aerodynamics, but easily understood at many many levels. Check it out!
1" MP = 100 FPM on a descent/glideslope. Wow, I learned something today. What a beautiful Comanche!
Great vlog! Very enjoyable.
Glad to see Taylor's interest in getting her pilots license.
The title made me think of the old Monty Python Flying Sheep skit: "Notice how they don't so much fly as... plummet" (Baaa baaa... flap flap... thud.)
Nice video and a great instructor. Thank you!
I did the zero G maneuver in a T6 Texan. Exactly as you described. No Weight requires no lift.
Also the SR-71 did a constant energy KES climb doing basically the same thing.
All flight maneuvers great fun.
I Absolutely agree with the other comments that David is obviously a talented flyer and instructor. I have been watching several aviation videos for several months now and he, in my humble opinion, has explained what he is teaching better than anyone else. Thanks Flying Doodles, and keep it up.
I must say this has been quite the informative and thrilling experience to watch and learn on this flight. It's so much was given in the short space of time to perfect one's flying and sharpen on every aspect in the cockpit. Thanks again, for another great video. Keep them coming, for we surely can't get enough!
I remember doing all these things. I was pretty good at it too. You be surprised how much you miss maneuvers training when your current plane seats a hundred.
David is an amazing pilot. Totally enjoys flying and would make an incredible flight instructor.
Owned a '60 250 for 16 years. Put 900 hours on it over that time and enjoyed all of it.
This was so informative! Didn’t expect that level of GA education. Thanks!
The confidence that David showed in his instruction transfers to the student pilot with confidence that he can do the maneuver. Making fun of instructing is an art not a science. It creates a passion for flying that many students do not experience and thus don't do as well as they could. When an instructor creates that passion, it will last forever in that pilots love of flying. As a 20 year navy carrier jet jock flying at zero airspeed was practiced frequently ,especially in air to air dog fighting. Keeping the head on a swivel looking outside the cockpit is lifesaving, while scanning the instruments. Experienced pilot feel the airplane. Superb video.
One of my instructors back in the late 70's showed me how to fly a C 152 at zero indicated. I couldn't believe it at the time.
I don't remember actually seeing 0 indicated on the 152 I flew, but half the time it FELT like I was flying at 0!
I think that this episode has been my most favorite of them all so far. Thanks again Bobby
I've watched about 15 of these Doodle flights now and this was the best one by far. It wasn't just all about takeoff, level flight and landing, but how to fly the airplane. Would absolutely love to fly with David. So cool!
Right up my alley! I almost visited Air Park involuntarily while still a green student pilot out of KADS... got so fixated on the runway I kinda forgot about all the buildings around the one I was supposed to land in! A really good video, brought back a ton of memories, including the molcajetes at Cristina's right off final to 16... Greets from an adopted Texan in Germany!
Bobby thanks for another great vlog!! David is the kind of pilot/ instructor that our community needs more of. You can feel his love for aviation by his attitude and the way he talks, he’s an awesome instructor. If you can, definitely have him on the vlog again. His Comanche is a beautiful a/c!! Thanks
Anyone would be very fortunate to have this gentleman for a instructor. Really good guy!
I own and fly a twin Comanche !! Had it about 12 years now. Absolutely love it!!
Very cool to see Taylor on the plane. Dave sounds like a great instructor.
Back at least!!!! and with Taylor too, great!! Beautiful video, congrats Bobby!!! David, what an awesome person!!
I've found FD videos to be my best eliptical machine distractions. The minutes just fly by, valuable pun accepted! This and David's Pitts episode are two of your best, right up there with July at Kosh. Thanks
The first thing i thought was "Wait....are those houses built around the runway and each house has a plane?" And yeah....that's so cool!
As a "Rusty" pilot, I would kill to have a CFI like David to get me back up to speed! I think back to the CFIs I've flown with, some by my choice and others, not so much(!) and I can honestly say I have NEVER flown with one that was as comfortable, cool, knowledgeable, with an attitude, or more importantly, LACK of an attitude, as David. He made learning so easy doing these maneuvers that challenge a lot of pilots, not all of them students! Thanks for a great video, flight, and education!
I flew Comanche 260s in the late '60s. I loved that plane. I got my multi in the Twin Comanche. Then I got into Beech D-18s, DC-3s and Helio Couriers. Good channel.
I owned Twin Comanche for a few years. Man that was a fun airplane! Fast, flew smoothly, and it sounded cool. That airplane always got so many compliments.
It was a challenge to land nicely though. Speed management was key.
@@chad1755 I got my Multi in a Twin Comanche. I liked both the single and the twin.The short oleos made for firm landings. It amazes me that subsequent designs tried hard to match the Comanches' performance and mostly fell short. They should have just put the planes back into production.
This guy knows what he’s talking about! Great video!
I owned a Comanche 250 (1961 model) from about 1976 to about 1984 or so. It was based on a 2500' grass strip @ 3600' elevation. Even loaded to the gills on a hot summer day, it had no problem getting airborne.
I flew cargo a lot, often at night. It had the 15 gallon aux tanks so the range was pretty far but you had to watch weight if all 4 tanks were full. 90 gallons is 540 lbs.........
One thing I really liked about it is it would handle ice......lots of it. My most memorable encounter with ice was at 16,000' and a buildup of about an inch. Even with no turbo, it just kept chugging along.........
I also flew a V-tail Bonanza, it had a turbo 285 Continental and would fly a lot like a brick with even just a trace of ice.
The Comanche was a workhorse, it'd get you there, even in the worst of conditions.
I’d be grinning like that if I had one of those. 😁 beautiful colours.
Really appreciate all of the comments it was a joy to fly with Bobby and Taylor. It is amazing that only approximately 5% of the pilots in the world are women and it hasn't changed significantly even in recent years and more women pilots is great. The main point of the video is that if you ever find yourself in a stall the most important thing to do first is push forward on the stick/yoke to get to a much lower angle of attack (of course not going negative G's) to break the stall. The airplane will instantly start to fly again and you regain full flight control authority. Looking forward to the next video with Flying Doodles!
Heck with the stalls, tell me more manifold pressure tricks :)
Davids great! Hopefully we will see another with him! Thanks for the channel!
Finally! I’ve been waiting for you to review one of these!
Its been a while! Welcome back. Hope you had a great Christmas 👍👍
The mans been Doodling!
@@homertalk 😂
Wow, great stuff. I'm both a sailor and a pilot, so this was a real treat.
Great video. An amazing amount of information presented in an entirely enjoyable manner! Well done Bobby, and well done Taylor! Hmmm? Perhaps a series on Taylor getting her PPL while you get your medical sorted out?
I drive by that air park everyday, always wondered if any good CFI's lived in that area. Great Video.
Flying Doodles is the best GA CZcams channel!! No doubt!!
I just converted my 250 to a dual exhaust, the cabin is much cooler in the summer. Highly recommend it
Great guy, great video Bobby.
I've driven past this airstrip at least 1000 times over the years, it's kinda funny seeing someone actually takeoff from it. Wasn't sure it was the same one until I saw the QT off of hebron/park.
Man, that was some hi-density housing that you flew over, it looked like just a few feet between houses, I'll take the good old countryside any day over that.
We don't hit houses. It's kind of our thing.
I own a piper I've not flown in years, so watching this video always makes me feel like I'm back in my own airplane.
👍👍 Glad to see Flying Doodles, Bobby. Nice to see Taylor w/u2!! Keep'em coming! 👏😀😎✝✌️👊🆒⚜☮🇺🇸🇺🇸
james schilling dude lay off the emojis, are you 12
Gee i enjoyed it so much, this pilot is a must! and so sympathetic! Enthousiastic is the word!
Even being a pilot myself I almost got sick only watching at the video, that lady on the rear is tough! One "thumb's up" for the great video and two thumb's up for her! ;)
Remember to have the elevator trim tab control bushing checked for rust. Many years ago on take off the bushing seized and broke causing severe elevator flutter. We were lucky to land without severe injury except to our hands from blistering to our palms from trying to land the plane near Kansas City. This airplane had just had it annual 2 weeks prior to the failure.
to all my past flight instructors, thank you for teaching me spins and how to be a real pilot. It seems that many of you did have the best instructors. This information is part of my DNA and it scares me that this information is not part of every pilot's DNA.
One reason I refused my spot at Embry Riddle is because they don't teach spin and spin recovery. Maybe they teach it today.
If you start playing with the airplane doing lazy eights you can put yourself into a spin pretty easily. Do they still teach that?
My only issue with this video is David's seat belt. That was me one day when my instructor rolled the airplane, now try to control it, he laughed. Love the Comanche 250. Thanks for taking me flying, I need airtime.
Why are so many pilots are skiers?
Great teaching David! The next time you're in town, give me a lesson.
Hi Mark! It would be great to do some flying again in Walla Walla, will let you know when I am back up north. How is the super cub doing?
I would love to learn from an instructor with David’s style. What a great teacher!
Great job. Depart Air Park Dallas and landing at Aero McKinney two great facilities for GA in the DFW area. Love the lesson on controlling and stalls
We were glad to meet you and Taylor in person on Staniel Key. Hope you trip went well. Enjoyed the "tips" on this video as well.
I really liked this video. I am not a pilot nor am I training to be. in fact by most part flying terrifies me. I do when it is necessary fly due to work, but it is an act of congress to get me on a plane. that being said, it was very clear that David is a wealth of information and has a great personality, I could almost see myself learning from him. it made flying sound intriguing. it heightens my curiosity immensely.
What a great story. I would love to go flying with him. So cool to learn new things . Thanks for sharing.
Loved this, good skills to have. Guy is a great teacher.
Wow! I’d like to start out with about 6 months of instruction from David, then I might know enough to really start learning from him.
Usto fly a PA24 a lot on charter as a CPL. Great aero plane. I think it's the best single engine Aeroplan ever built.
It's so flexible, even on short grass strips. Very low fatigue. Very low maintenance. I knew one of the worlds greatest ferry pilot Max Conrad. Max flew a PA24 from Chicago to Paris with long range tanks, flight time was 72 hours non stop.
I would not worry about going to zero g, or even slightly negative, for lack of lubrication. I flew one of the early CAP-10 aerobatic airplanes without any modification for oil scavenging at negative g. Still, we were allowed to do 30 seconds of inverted flight, after which we had to roll upright. (BTW: I am a Comanche 260B owner.)
Fantastic video! Not just a show and tell but very informative.
Good to see another flying doodle, three weeks ago i stumbled on sailing doodles for the fist time, enjoyed very much. Flying my fist love sailing number two
This guy is a daredevil! 😂
Fighter pilots seem to be gun slingers, their rock stars.
Thats really good info. Neat airstrip! I drive by it all the time, nice to see ppl still use it.
I love that jacket.
I love listening to the science lesson before hand.
Great Video, probably my favorite one so far. I really like David's explanations about stalls and being smooth. I would love to fly with him as my CFI.
Guy seems like a master instructor, I'd love to take lessons from him, preferably in that Pitts!
I think this is the new standard for your videos. It was incredible how knowledgeable he was with his aircraft. I think you should have the owners teach us something like he did about their aircraft.
Good vid. We used to say, "unload for control." We would pull the F-4 up to 70 degrees pitch, zero out the airspeed and unload it. Goes ballistic just like an arrow..
I was in VMFA 235 in the mid `70`s. The F-4`s were described as flying manhole covers. Glide path of vertical. One of the most awesome airplanes. 60,000# gross. 2 mach level flight out of the factory.
Very nice demonstration and explanation of stalls!
- Martin
David’s the type of pilot I want to become. Get rated in it all, and have those unique experiences.
That was Kevin Lacey in the red and white Skyhawk that made the announcement on the unicom that he was taking the runway at Aero Country. I can recognize his voice anywhere. He is based out of Aero Country, and was one of the pilot cast members on Airplane repo that came on the Discovery channel years ago.
Love Aero Country! We looked perty serious at a place in there when it went up for sale, but eventually talked ourselves out of the idea. It still intrigues me when we visit family in the area. Love to run from our nearby daughters home, up and down the taxiway a few times and then back home....sigh! Sorry....this post has nothing to do w/your topic, but seeing the strip in the video gets me going.
David is a legend - super cool!
Zero G Flying and Low cut shirt, what could go wrong?
ZE_GERMAN I was hoping to see those doodles fly.
Maybe a little negative. Wink wink
Oh man. I'm only half way, what happened?
@@Captndarty Haha you win the price for best comment!
I thought the FAA made a quite deadly error when spin recovery was no longer required on the PTS portion of attaining a PPL. You’ve made a fine video Sir. Thanks!
Not many people seem to talk about the stall stick position. It’s the best technique I have come across.
Imho.
I'm getting my high performance and complex ratings in one of these. $150 wet at Lancaster, Ohio. For $25 more than the C172M airplanes they have, this is a steal. It'll really extend the distance I'm willing to travel.
Comanche ! Great airplane
Bob, great Video, if not the best. I've started lessons at 4B9. DAVID...START A CZcams CHANNEL. your wisdom and experiences are a gift.
NOTHING replaces experience in the air. Simulators are fine but they are too low to the ground to really provide the sensation. More pilots need to do these things on a regular basis. Stay Frosty!!!!
I loved David ways to explain !!
Stalls (as my definition goes) is when the A/C exceeds critical angle of attack AT THAT AIRSPEED! It is related to both......You can stall at any air speed!
Great video, David knows his trade
Wow ! Great video ! Best of the best pilots like you !
21:02 “f your traffic” lolz love the predictive captions
BOB, HAPPY NEW YEAR, GREAT HEALTH AND SUCCESS IN YOUR NEW DECISIONS AND ACHIEVEMENTS.