Russia India Engine Deal I Mig 29 New Engine I Sqn Ldr Vijainder Thakur I Aadi
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- Russia India Engine Deal I Mig 29 New Engine I Sqn Ldr Vijainder Thakur I Aadi
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This is a brilliant conversation. Sir is a master in Russian weapon systems. There is absolutely no doubt that Indian companies never capitalised on their relationships with Russian companies to develop their capabilities and learn. Import lobbies ensured India always continued to import.
Yah sab Congress aur UPA ke Daur mein hua, dekhiae HAL Kitna biji hai, aur DRDO ka Sara structure hi change kar diya.
Aapka dhanyvad
abe congress ke time hi hal ko ye engine ka technology transfer mila that@@navneet8269
Yes, weird isn't it?
After 75 years, and with huge developments in missiles and space rocket engines, it's not as though Indian engineers don't know how to build engines.
Maybe it's cheaper and/or more convenient to carry on buying from Russia? Lobbies using the usual channels of influence and corruption?
I don't know.
@@navneet8269choro se kya expect karte ho bhau
@@ShashankSingh-hb8uf aapko andhera mubarak ho
Thank you sir, It was very informative. Hard to digest we ignored engine Technology unlike missiles, I smell the ecosystem of the past, thrived on creating dependency, and making India dependent. And show off new toys,..as achievements
My blood boils when I think of the number of years wasted by our previous governments and the PSUs! So irresponsible, unaccountable and unimaginative.
Lack of R&d @@srinivasrao5215
@@srinivasrao5215due to lack of R&d people don't go into mettalurgy it's my POV
@@VinaySingh-eu8bf bhai pehle ki sarkaro ko desh se koi matlb hi nahi tha
@@mayankindian3750 I agree bro
Vote responsibly to avoid that in future also.
Sqn Ldr Thakur should do podcasts with people who have military background and expertise.
I agree with Sqn ldr thakur totally. We shd have kept working once we got the initial Seed Tech of engines/Jet and shd have tried to first master full tech of Mig 29 and Su 30 MKI including their engines like we r doing it for Brahmos. China did the same. West wont give u any tech , we shd remember . Even buying their Weapon directly is very tedious . They dont like to sell it to us who has half platforms from Russia half from Israel half from france. They will sell only if we had totally 100% western ecosystem.
I can guarantee they wont even sell us F16 without creating all the drama. We shd integrate our defence tech with russians infact. Russia needs funds they dont have lack of talent or research. In times of USSR they wer infact creating systems which use to blow of west. THeir Space tech was much much ahead than west. Spacex merlin engines are based on Russian Neutron rocket engines infact. Spacex bought them from russia first. Both space an defence of India shd be intgrated with russia. We shd try to work jointly on newer Engines and other Tech needed for AMCA and than Indai shd use those to make our own AMCA. russia can use them in their jets.
Infact india shd have worked with Russia to develop Newer High thrust Methalox Rocket engine for our NGLV rocket. we shd target for 100 TOnne payload rocket now like spacex Starship If we want to build base on moon. China-russia are already planning to take Nuclear reactor to moon by 2035
The world is changing and re-orienting the relations . Russia -india friendship has endured for the last 75 years. We should consciously make a decision to more fully integrated with Russia in all the fields. To hell with America and the so called West . They are undependable; infact anti-India and look down on us .
Very good video Vijainder ji spoke blunt truth nobody and no country will give TOT to India.
Russia and only Russia will help - MODI SHOULD KNOW WHO ARE TRUE FRIENDS
OIL PURCHASE BY INDIA WAS BOUGHT AT DIRT CHEAP PRICE AND INDIA MADE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
Kaveri engine went no where due to metallurgy!
Hope this new era of army requirement and corporate academic solutions brings in the capability
Love to you God bless you.
Hi Adi Achint, can you please make a video on progress of AMCA, 5th gen engines, tejas mk 2 etc ? Basically all future platforms and tech for indian airforce?
Jai Bharat 🙏🙏🙏
Jai shree Ram 🙏🙏🙏
From @12:30 till @14:00. Sqn Ldr Thakur expresses his puzzlement as to why HAL did not progress towards the total indigenization of the engines.
For quite some time, I, too, have had the same puzzlement.
My hypothesis is that
1. They fight shy of any changes where blame can attach to them in case of field failures.
2. Vendor development is difficult. It needs engineers with tech skills, the attitude of an experimental scientist, and personality traits to break down inter-(and intra-)organizational barriers. Maybe HAL lacks such people.
All engineering is an art. Some, like aircraft jet engines, are black art. Learning the secret "incantations" will entail failures. At the national level, we have to learn to work our way thru the failures.
Instead of just keeping it as a task for HAL, we should have a joint task force headed by engineers from GTRE (I presume they know a great deal more about the science and tech of engines). Metallurgy mech engg, and chemistry that needs to be experimentally investigated could be contracted to IITs and CSIR labs. (As a side effect, this could benefit Kaveri.)
Jet engines are made in Koraput. The GTRE is in Bangalore. Should they not be colocated for synergy? For the new MiG-29 engine, GTRE should operate a detachment at Koraput.
THis was mainly due to Mindet of preious govt and their whole ecosystem. They never cared fro these and never trusted on Indian capabilities.
Engine - Koraput, Design - Hydrabad and Assembly/Manufacturing - Nashik. It was condition put forwarded for Mig Manufacturing in India. AND this legacy continued from then onwards
Govt's management is garbage 😂😂😂
My dear Aadi,
Sq. Ldr. Vijender Singh is top class guest. Please invite him again. ❤❤❤
Very good news, about Russian jet engine.
"Purna dost aur purani chawal hamesha kam aati Hai"
Long live the Russian Indian friendship ❤
Commission and agent's pressure is the reason that HAL continued with imports from Russia and did not do much for full indigenisation of
SU MKI & Mig 29 till Modi ji pushed Atmanirbhar Bharat .
Very informative conversation. Looking forward to the next conversation on repurposing of R73!! Thanks Adi.
Jai Hind Jai Bharath 🙏
The best way to give a boost to India's jet engine capabilities is to give this ToT offer from Russia to one of our private engineering companies like Kalyani, L&T, Tata, Reliance. HAL should be allowed to remain busy in making models of the 9th Gen super fighter. It's insane to keep depending on HAL even after 70 years of non-performance.
America is busy still in negotiating and timeline
GE wale:Humm to latkhe hi reh gaye.
Please do an episode on Russian submarines.
What a Information ❤
Very Very rich discussion, policy makers must take note
Jai hind jai bharat 🙏🏻
Nice conversation
Vandemataram...
Aadi I want to highlight something...its a matter of grave concern, but do think on this.
At the moment we are dealing with two corruptions in the Defence industry, since its Sunday, let me highlight in details.
My concern being , one of the projects - either Tejas Mk2 or the AMCA Mk1 is in danger of being killed due to sheer backlog of HAL and in favor of a foreign fighter jet , Rafale and Su75. And HAL is complicit in this. Why I say so ?
1. Lack of interest by private aerospace companies in building indigenous fighter jet - There was a lot of interest private aerospace industries to support the production of indigenous fighters before the Russia - Ukraine conflict .But during and after the conflict the interest faded. I am fully convinced that the MRFA 'make in India' clause set forward by the Government has riled up Western defence sales people to show a level of profit and stability to the native private sector , which is unavailable if the private players invest in ADA projects. The Government expected massive participation from private players in indigenous projects but the private sector is still dreaming about the promises made by their Western partners in a board meeting.
2. HAL's lack of interest in bumping up production capacity to intake more orders for indigenous products - When you depend on one person , doesn't matter if that person is your family - the person is convinced that he/she can run things better than you. This is the problem with HAL. And the encouragement to HAL has arrived from Russia . HAL only wants to make and deliver the Tejas Mk1A , whose orders have climbed up with time while pushing Tejas Mk2 to a timeline and production schedule where it will be no more relevant, or even the AMCA Mk1 5th Gen .The consolidated approach of both would be to acquire 100+ pcs of Su75, Make in India, because production level supply of components are not easy in Russia these days after the Russo-Ukr conflict.
These are the two levels of corruption fully visible to me now, aggravated after Rus-Ukr conflict.
How may the government combat this ?
1. Take full control of HAL under defence ministry and immediately commission four new assembly lines under new directors from retired Air Chiefs.
2. Fire all the currently serving incompetent supervisors under 'voluntary retirement' and introduce non paid suspension as a disciplinary measure if failing to meet project timelines.
3.Scrap MRFA and go for one Govt to Govt deal under the 'Make In India' scheme, to keep up squadron numbers . If the Rafale is the only production fighter which is qualifying, lets take it up - instead of extending MRFA till Su75 make first flight.
Maybe my perception is based on studying the history of Ajeet and lesser known facts , but the way things are - this is the most possible outcome.
Super insightful - thank you for getting Thakur sir!!
Very true when India has 2 world class aircraft in the Mig29 and the Su30mki, why shud they go in for a creiminally expensive Rafale? India shud have indianised both the platforms. The 117 aircraft tender shud be a no brainer and IAF shud have gone in for the Mig 35s with TV. But now since the proverbial horse has already bolted out of the stable, India should now focus on getting the Tejas MK2 in great numbers
Every Indian defence channel has dinged HAL for inordinate delays. I wonder why it's not getting privatized and/or having its leadership getting GPLs!
Thanks
Thank you
Ram Ram Saa Ram Ram both of you 🙏 💙 ❤️ ♥️
Sir's opinion contrsdicts with AIM view about Indigenous fighter jet Tejas.
End of the day HAL is a PSU being behind with the world is in the nature
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Vision and future map for the company is created by the leadership/management and not the workers, public or the politicians. This is why HAL has failed. Poor mediocre leadership without vision, ambition or a fighting spirit. Compare Modiji's commitment and vision for India and the commitment of these public sector leadership. They only wake up when their backside is put on fire. Now the Turkey's 5th gen fighter is putting the blow torch on DRDO and HAL's backside.
True...
where will Turks get engine from ... Prolly US. for theat they have to pay some price. I think india dont want to pay that price. Except Engines I think we r capable of making everything AMCA needs
@@GuzzarAwan true satellite state banke thodi rehna hai bhai 😊
Metallurgy technology ke sabse bade missile Bharat forge ki big gan ATGS hai
Uski gun pipe dozens of round fire ke bavjud hit nahin Hoti.
Bofors aur USA ke kisi bhi ATGS Gun se behtar hai.
❤❤
Great podcast,my type😊👍
Russians have not asked for Brahmos. They have better hypersonic missiles. India tried to sell Brahmos to Russia, and they declined it.
The data is wrong, pakistan got the F 16 before we got the Mirage 2000 and the Mig 29.
Har Har Mahadev
COULD THIS ENGINE BE FITTED TO TEJAS MK1A AND TEJAS MK2.
We have 66 mig 29
Hm Bageswar baba ka shakti ka use kyu nhi krte he technology ko jaanne me data jaanne me secret technology wo bta sktebh❤
Discussion proved that HAL is nothing more than assembling plant
Hmare log bhut angrez bnty h 😂😂
If HAL were wise and clever they would have made their improved versions of MIG 29 and SU 30 MKI like the China .
Joke 😂😂😂
Chinese maal 😂😂😂
WE MUST PRIVATISE THE HAL PLANE MANUFACTURING WITH THE STRICTEST OF GOVERNMENT SUPERVISION AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE!!🙏🙏🙏🚩🚩🚩
If Russia proposes full ToT, is the Mig35 a cost effective proposition for MRFA?
Humkho engine technology chiya critical al41ki technology already Chinese share kartya hai Russian say aur yah engine kawal six yah seven percent Jayda thirst datta hai india al31 fp engine say toh kyo kareddya uper say yah bharee Jayda hai aur air kho kai baar reheat keyya jatta hai life line iski same hee hai lagbhag bus thorya say thirst Kay leyya kyo Naya engine kharedya iska fan bhee Barra size kaa hai
Sir make your voice little loudeer
Brahmos is not solely Indian. The heart of Bahmos is Russian.
We dont want chinese input. Please mind your business and go away.
well lot of parts of brahmos were russian. But we have kept developing many of its parts and changed lot of it from indian ones. I think in start it was 90% russian. Today its 30-40%. It will be fully indian in upcoming days.
It’s a missile , it does not have a heart. Over the time most of the missile has been made indigenous
What is important is not the heart but rather where it's going. It's going right up the dragons backside.
Bharat should manufacture weapons, develop technology in Bharat and made them in collaboration with Russia and buy from Russia but should never buy from Bully america. Buying weapons from america means helping economy of Criminal america. Bharat should Not collaborate with Backstabber america for weapons manufacturing. Also america weapons are expensive. american weapons r less advanced technically as compared to Russia. american weapons are much hyped.
Russia transfer technology to Bharat without any conditions but this is not the case with america. america put too many restrictions on weapon usage,where as Russia always give free hand. In case of war backstabber, untrustworthy america can stop supply of weapons,can increase price of weapons,also can activate killer switch of weapons. Whereas trustworthy Russia never betrayed Bharat and always provide most sophisticated weapons to Bharat.
Evil america ke Sath koi bhi collaboration nahi Karna chahiye. america sirf Bharat ko use karna chahta hai against China, aur Bharat ko Russia se dooor karna chahta hai so that america apni goondagardi continue rakhe paye.
But Russia, Bharat, China ko Sath mein aana hi Hoga to counter western countries (Evil forces of the World).
Sir with my respect I want to say that instead of buying sukoi we should invest on Miraj is good deal France was ready to supply it's production line to india Miraj are more reliables than sukoi fighter sukoi abability rate was only 35to 45percent in case of Miraj avability was 75percent and Miraj engins are more durable than sukoi mki so why we can't consider in Miraj sukoi is heavy fighter Miraj is lighter although France alocoffer twin engine Miraj called Miraj 4000 is Russian lobby is strong aur gov wekness aur secret deals we have already buy rubish dumps like mig23 mig27 and mig 25fox bat although fox bat was secret operation mig 29are fair but weak servislity low span engins
Even after paying more for aircrafts HAL did not provide s%%t on significant upgrades . Free lunches for these good for nothings .
Please speak in Hindi
कृपया हिंदी में बोले
When Turkey, South Koreans are making their Aircrafts and doing timely modification why can't we do it. Import mentalities lobbies are to be sidelined and we should go all out to make our competitive best one. I think, the present regime doing it.
Guru ji Hindi m video bnaya kro 🙏🙏
Excellent knowledge
This is the same russia who rejected india technology transfer in su57 project partnership.
What happened to AK203?
russia is good friend but their laid back attitude is too much to handle and their technology is lagging behind.
Russian are conman they will give arms in cheap. But the spares parts and maintenance cost is bomb
HAL never upgraded MiG 29 it was IAF
One of BRD
Thorah punjabi /hindi v bol lavo, jai Hind, Jai shri Ram 🙏
Sar aap log Hindi mein kariye
Waiting for someone to tell me why this engine deal.
We arent getting engines from US. and we have to maintain Mig 29 till 2030 atleast. Forget MRFA
@@GuzzarAwan not correct buddy. We are getting the F414 engine tech transfer for Tejas 2 and AMCA1. RD 33 won't fit in Tejas.
@@GuzzarAwan Your jf17 engine tech is with us Indians. Where have your genius sciencedaans of poof kamra dissapeared?? Check the PIA flight to Kaneda
He started working with IAF in 1974. Tell me what is his age now? Probably touching 70 but look how "soumya" he looks like
HAL should be privatised
India should sell brammos to Russia to increase our rupee trade
HAL was plagued by old KHANGRESI inefficiency. It was waiting for MODI'S kick at its back.
India ko bahut kam aur bahut sahi time sahi baat ko karne ke habits hi kuchh helis jar sakte hai
Just US ke opposite UK ke opposite jab tak aise na ho bahut misleaded misguidings hone toh
Really is this of any public interest.Quit such topics on public platform.
HALis just lazy and do not want to make the effort to improve India Technology. It is a shame on HAL for not making the effort to make an engine that is 100% of Indian Technology.
Please dont use eng
Unreliable Criminal america se engine deal cancel kar Bharat ko time tested, trustworthy friend Russia se collaborate karna chahiye for all kinds of fighter aircraft engines
agree. But why will they provide us tech. They know in future we can be a threat to their dominance. THey never provided much critical tech to china in their freidnly days too. Thats why china had to steal it.
😴boreing
🔴 Pata nhi kaun angrez sunte hai ye videos, Hindi me bana lo Maharaj, Uspe English Subtitles Laga lo, Public ke liye Aasan ho jaega 😑
Engine ke bare Mai jada kuch nahi bataya,bus politics Target ki gai hai indrict 😂,
Sir, I think HAL needs competition. A new company with private /public partnership or totally private with inputs from HAL should be set up and they need to get into competition and also augment production capacity.
Pointless upgrade , it’s like swapping a morris engine with an Isuzu engine on a 40+ year old ambassador. Even with modest usage these aircrafts are well past their prime . They are only good to perform secondary role and not as front line planes .
Al-Bakistan uses RD 93-3 a derivative of the RD 33 in the Chinese JF-17s.IAF says that RD 33 is advanced in Mig 29 but call out RD93 for poor performance 😂. What double standards.
Russian give kabada engine to Chinese and Pakistan.
Whole world knows about Chinese and Pakistani😂😂😂
@@santhugowda7179 sumne comment madbeda. Tilkondu comment madu
Sirji jara hindi me baat kar liya karo 🎉kyu ki apan angrejo ki owlaad nahi hai😂😂😂