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- Coming up…A tale of two lead singers Sammy Hagar and David Lee Roth. Both fronted Van Halen… Both had different philosophies. WE look at them through two classic song from both eras… Aint Talkin’ Bout Love from the 70s debut and Why Can’t This Be Love from the 80s album 5150. They are both great because the music for each was written by the genius Eddie Van Halen along with the usual offerings by Michael Anthony and Alex Van Halen. The story of both songs along with an interview from Sammy Hagar about the #3 hit is up next.
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They both had bushy blonde hair, but that is pretty much where the similarities ended. Their approaches were different. Their styles were different. Even the way they viewed relationships were different. One singer had no interest in a serious relationship, while the other embraced the notion. You’ll see what I mean next including an interview with one of ‘em
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The David Lee Roth vs. Sammy Hagar debate will rage on forever. Both singers have their ardent fans, along with their outspoken detractors. It’s a testament to just how passionate Van Halen fans have been- regardless of who performs lead vocals. After years of venomous sparring with Eddie…Dave left Van Halen.
Today we are going to talk about two songs from both singers that helped define each era. Two sides of the coin. so let’s get into it.
It was a headline that shocked the world- especially since the group had just reached the top of the world with the 1984 album.Van Halen being Van Halen without David Lee Roth was unthinkable, but Eddie was determined to find a replacement that would not just fill the vacancy, but actually help the band expand artistically, and commercially- which seemed impossible given the massive success of 1984, not to mention that Dave was one of the most popular rock stars on the planet.
Eddie swung for the fences to replace DLR, offering the gig to singers that were already at the top of the game: Covertly, Eddie had serious, talks with Journey’s Steve Perry, Ozzy Osbourne, Daryl Hall, whom Eddie always admired, Sebastian Bach from the emerging band Skid Row, Eddie offered the gig to Jimmy Barnes, who many other bands pursued after he quit the band Cold Chisel in ’83, and Eddie came very close to working things out with Patty Smyth. The ‘down low' search for DLR’s replacement hit a road block, until Eddie went to an exotic car garage to pick up his Lamborghini. The head mechanic, Claudio Zamapolli, also took care of Sammy Hagar’s Black Ferrari 512. - Zábava
Poll: What it your pick for the best album and song from both the David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar era of Van Halen?
VH1 with DLR
5150 with SH (although give me VH2, Fair Warning and 1984 over this)
The entire argument of Sammy or Dave is better summed up by saying who cares, the guitar player is EDDIE VAN HALEN! 😛
That being said, Balance is my favorite album with Sammy and I think Not Enough is one of the most underrated songs of all time.
Songs -
And the Cradle Will Rock DLR
Indifferent with Sammy’s songs
Van Halen II Can't pick a fav. song but pretty sure it would be one of Dave's
I actually got to meet Sammy and his family during his tour following the departure from Van Halen. The restaurant I managed was asked to do the catering for the concert at the open air OKC Zoo amptitheater and since he did not have an opening act, and his love of the Cabo culture, he would hire a Mariachi band to roam around the audience and play, working their way to the front of the venue and onstage for Sammy to join them in a song before launching into his set. As a way to find a local Mariachi band, his team would contact the Mexican restaurants and offer the catering gig and for a Mariachi band recommendation. Mine was the lucky one they picked. My wife and 7 year-old daughter joined me and we got to hangout backstage befire and during the concert, watching from the side of the stage. Sammy, his wife, and kids were backstage for about two hours eating and drinking the margarits we brought and just chilling. Our kids were playing around together and as the Oklahoma dusk started to set in the fireflie began to fill the area. Sammy's kids were astounded because they had never seen anything like them. So my wife and daughter grabbed a couple of rinsed out salsa jars and proceeded to catch several of the bugs for the kids to see. Sammy amd his wife thought this was hilarious and had a blast watching the antics. Both were about as down-to-earth, humble, and good-natured people as you would like to meet. The funny coda to the story is, the next day they stopped by the restaurant for lunch on their way to the airport. About halfway throught the meal I stopped by to check on them and the kids recognized me and asked if me wife and daughter were there. About that time they realized they had left the jars of fireflies at the hotel and were begging to go back for them. It was amusing watching Sammy try to talk them down.
Great story
Saw that show and he was incredible!
Wrong
@@jm339 ???
@@deborahfoster5520 *False*
Was trying out a an old trump line. Maybe Dwight Schrute’s line is better.
“False”
I saw VH on the 1984 tour and again on the 5150 tour. DLR was pretty cocky on stage and screamed *a lot*. Sammy was pretty energetic on stage, and the other members seemed to really enjoy being around him. I didn’t notice this until seeing both shows. DLR was all about himself and Sammy was all about the band-my impression, anyway.
Sammy Hagar is now 74 years old and he still looks and sounds FANTASTIC and rocks every bit as much as he did 40 years ago! He's utterly amazing!
Sammy puts on a good show. And he's a gentleman. Saw a fan get up on stage with him years ago in Columbus and he handled it with class.
If you go look in his basement, you'll find a painting of an absolutely ancient Sammy. It's how he stays so young. 🤣
@@samcostanza Hmm heh heh heh-Yea! You're smart.
@@samcostanza Clever boy you are!
I like that both Roth and Hagar didn't try to be anyone but themselves. They both brought their A-game in their own way and it was great.
The DLR era really changed the musical landscape, but I also enjoyed Van Hagar. Adam, you summed up what I wanted to say at the end of the video. No matter which coin you flip, it'll always land on Eddie Van Halen. Still sometimes hard to be believe he's gone. He is irreplaceable and immensely missed.
Well said! RIP Eddie!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
For sure. There was, is, and will be only one Eddie Van Halen. He is so irreplaceable.
He's the reason I got carpet burn on my chin as a kid. All the times It dropped in awe to the floor watching Eddie rip up MTV with his brilliant guitar work.
Amen to that!
summer nights my fav van h song
The original lineup of VH was genre changing. The first album redefined rock and put a massive hole in the disco battleship. It's one of the top 100 albums of all time. Van Hagar was a mature reboot of the group and showcased the experience of every member. Both versions are superb.
I love both eras as well. The Sammy years were my High School and College years so that music was the soundtrack to some of the best times of my life. RIP EVH
I think Patty Smyth’s comment, “Timing is everything”, sums it up well. DLR era Van Halen is arguably the top band of my youth, but around 1984 (year and album), my tastes were evolving in other directions; I never got into the Haggar era stuff.
Same.
5150 just has that new band energy
"You're semi good looking" has to be one of the coolest rock lyrics
Yes. It is.
5150 is the best album for VH and they have so many singles that are very Emo and powerful that shows the true identity of their band like their singles, Dream and the music video itself are very nice and theatrical and we thought that the song itself were part of the Top Gun soundtrack in which both of that film and 5150 was released in the year 1986. 😉
"I've been to the edge, and stood and looked down..."
I’ve seen both incarnations of Van Halen live and they were both great. They’re two completely different bands, in my opinion.
Yes, I agree. It’s why I love when bands have diversity.
True. One was good (Van Halen) and the other was bad (Van Hagar)
Sammy was great in VH.
Agreed, I saw Dave for the 1984 tour and Sammy at Monsters of Rock in 1988. Both men were amazing showmen but as you said, completely different bands.
@@KokoTheGorilla69, you’re allowed to have your opinion. My opinion is I liked both versions of Van Halen.
I like both versions. No one could ever equal what the DLR era accomplished in sheer power and drive. But Sammy brought a wider variety of song styles and musicianship.
In the early 2000s, I saw a concert at Fiddler's Green in Colorado where David Lee Roth opened for Sammy Hagar both featuring their solo hits. Both of them performed their hearts out in their own styles and no one could say as to who was best. Even better, they both remained professional towards each other though they never shared the stage. It was like a massive jousting event between the two greatest warriors of the age! Hats off to both of them.
I would love to have been there for that! Two of the greatest that both fronted the greatest rock band in history!
Simply put, both the Roth and Hagar eras of VH are equally masterpieces and innovations of their time. Both had their unique tones and sounds that make Van Halen iconic, and had something for everyone because of the different perspectives of the subject at hand!
I stand by this! Roth and Hagar were equally talented.
Roth was funkier and more of a showman. Hagar had that fierce tenor vocal that could make your hair stand up. To me, Van Hagar sounds a little dated due to the synthesizers and effects, while Roth-era Van Halen has that timeless quality that marks the best music.
but Roth couldn't hang, Sammy is still going strong, I saw him at the SA rodeo in San Antonio in 2018 or so... :) working with Eddie was probably a pain in the ass for both singers....great as he was.
I couldn't disagree with you more- imo after Dave left, they turned into a pop culture bubble gum band. The only thing that was left that rocked was Eddie's playing, and even it became much tamer than before. They also lost the bee bop/vaudeville influence that Dave brought with him- which played a huge role in their previous writing. I totally tuned out after Dave split- they were just another top 40 band singing love songs then.
@@stoneysdead689 I agree with you. When Van Halen recorded their debut album, their sound was groundbreaking and revolutionary. When Sammy replaced Dave, their music sounded like every other metal band at the time. It just wasn't as interesting.
The Doobie Brothers had two different lead singers with two different musical styles and were very successful in both incarnations.
Agree with the Doobies...I would also throw out Black Sabbath, Ozzy then Dio.
There have been many bands that have multiple lead singers simultaneously, Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show, Jefferson Airplane, The Band, Traffic, Fleetwood Mac.
@@theman4884 I suppose you could also throw in “YES”!!!
The Band. All great vocalists.
Edit…actually meant to say “Genesis” 🫤
Todd in the Shadows made the controversial - and probably correct - point that the singers had a LOT to do with the actual finished songs. He suggested that EVH wrote cool riffs but didn't really arrange the songs completely - the singers did, which was why the music was so different from Roth to Hagar.
This is one of your BEST episodes so far! I have a deep love and respect for both DLR and Sammy. Dave had the look, the voice and the sex appeal that VH needed to stand out while Sammy, an already well established musician, projected VH into the arena scene. Playing for 50, 60, 70 thousand people. Not to mention that I believe that Sammy coming into the band allowed Michael Anthony to fully come out of his shell as "just the bassist" the harmonies of Sammy and Michael are unmatched.
I was introduced to Van Halen, at 5. Some years later, while tapes were still being sold, I bought Van Halen on tape. At 13, my first C.D. was the debut album.
Amazing!
It was rough when both singers got kicked out for “creative differences”! Eddie had become a serious alcoholic and I can assure you, that ruins everything, if you have ever been involved with one!
Sammy H. is a GREAT interviewee. He enjoys this sort of thing when the interviewer is serious. So fun to listen to that important bit of rock history.
A friend of mine in LA was and is a helicopter pilot. He got hired to fly DLR into the Coliseum for a massive concert there. When he landed to pick him up David was “escorted “ with two topless escorts from the limo along with a fresh 8 ball. By the time they circled the stadium a few times the rest of their clothes and the coke were gone. Roth had trouble talking when he got out but the show was pretty amazing
I have always been partial to the David Lee Roth Era. I believe their two career masterpieces were from that era (Van Halen 1 and 1984) Also, the David Lee Era sound was so groundbreaking and revolutionary. Their debut album is rightly considered one of the greatest debuts of all-time. Anyway, those are the reasons why I choose the David Lee Roth Era as my favorite (while still appreciating their music with Sammy Hagar).
5150 is my favorite VH album. Dreams is my favorite VH song. We all have our favorites. Those can't be argued.
That is a great debut album. They started off really strong!
agree.....van halen better
than van hagar, n sammy hagar better than van hagar......
Well said!
I truly enjoy more Van Halen songs from the David Lee Roth Era, in fact, there are very few songs from that era I don't like.
However, David Lee Roth was drunk, forgot the words, and stumbling around the stage, while Sammy was swinging from the rafters.
Van Halen was the better studio band.
Van Hagar was the better live band.
And live is half of what a Rockin' Roll band is all about.
As far as ATBL it was Roth's "been to the edge" lyric that really immortalized this.
Michael and Sammy were a vocal powerhouse. Those high and tight harmonies (done flawlessly live as well) were amazing. I’m not sure why Sammy never played guitar much. I would have thought Eddy would have seen it as an opportunity to maintain the studio magic onstage. All academic musings now, but what a ride it all was, right from the start.
“ Right now” video and hearing it on the radio brings tears to my eyes. The lyrics have a lot of personal meaning to me and make me tear up every time.
Great band with Dave, great band with Sammy. Loved them both- two brilliant, but different strokes of Eddie's paintbrush with each. The synths added a sound that appealed to a wider audience IMO. Wow, Steve Perry, Ozzy, or Patty would have taken this band into a very strange existence... hard to imagine. Awesome show once again!
Love how Eddie reinvented the band in its two eras! I am imagining VH with Steve Perry right now and it’s a spectacular display!
@@xxlilly_playsxxkiz9980 Like Sammy Hagar, Steve Perry would have brought more woman appeal to Van Halen. Sammy's lyrics are about love, relationships and other concepts like Steve Perry. I'm glad Perry wasn't chosen because Journey is in a different lane. Steve Perry is the vocal sound of Journey period. It's like Freddie Mercury and Queen. Freddie Mercury could never be as successful in any other band. The keyboard addition polished Van Halen's sound for the times. Also widening their appeal. Hagar himself is a prolific guitarist, vocalist, and composer. That gave Eddie more freedom for creativity. It benefitted both parties.
Loved the heaviness of Aint Talking.. Loved the groove of WCTBL.. Both great.
I never knew they asked Jimmy Barnes of Cold Chisel to front, currently the darling of a lot of reactors. Being tucked away in Australia not a lot is known about him over in the U.S.. Check out his stuff with Joe Bonamassa and Brad Whitford, matching Ian Gillan on Lazy, and also the showmanship of this Wild Thing clip czcams.com/video/8Z6RjUi3rmE/video.html .
@@seanswinton6242 Great observation there, Sean. I too am trying to imagine but can’t quite see Steve Perry or Freddie Mercury fit in with VH.
The idea of Sebastian Bach as VH’s lead singer is really interesting to me. I think Bach’s power and range could have led to some awesome songs.
If it's a 'Van Halen' album, it is premium quality music. Every hit takes me back to the best days of my life.
Top tier for sure.
I agree...Van Halen is the soundtrack to my High School and college days; my sporting career, my first love and the greatest days of my life!
70s Van Halen ,, EASY
Ahh, this is my favorite rock issue/topic. I liked Roth. I loved Hagar. The dynamic among guys during most of Hagar’s time as frontman was infectious for me. I wore the grooves off the 5150 LP. Their break-up was such a disappointment. I was delighted to hear that Eddie and Sammy became friendly again before Eddie passed. For me, that somehow brought back that sense of fun to their tunes. Thanks for creating this video!
Beware though . Sam is still lying talking 💩 about Alex . Alex and Dave were going to secretly do a little tribute for Ed and then someone opened up their big mouth and then Sam wanted to be a part of the tribute and both Al and Dave dropped the idea . Remember , Sam always said the only thing concerning the Halen Bros is money . Who's doing a fake elevator music version cash-grab tribute tour to Ed ? Sam and Mike . And Sam brings up his big lie saying he was fired again . Wait til Alex's book comes out . The brothers never talked about THEIR problems because it's rude .
Damn it Adam... you did it again. You made me cry with that last sentence. Everything you said, especially those last words... I just couldn't agree more! Thanks for keep doing this... YOU KEEP OUR HEROES ALIVE AND KICKIN'! 🤟🏻🤩😎
Everyone always views it as Roth vs Hagar, but the real reason the band feels so different comes down to Eddies approach to songs and Sammy was more down with what Eddie wanted than Roth did. Either way, despite the differences in the Van Halen era, both are phenomenal and I will gladly rock out to any Van Halen song! \m/
Too many people like to see, find or create conflict where there shouldn't be any. It happens a lot in music but many other areas as well.
They don’t have a bad song on them.
Not me. It's not a competition. I like both but any real rock fan will say the Roth era is better. Any fan of a more commercial sound will say the Hagar era was better. It's all subjective. But I'm a rock fan and prefer the Roth era. But i also like a lot of pop/rock so i love a lot of the Hagar era. Both eras have their place and their fans. Enjoy both because we won't get anymore VH
Dave has a Retro Show Biz influence..he got
the VH dad to play clarinet on Big Bad Bill..was his idea..Dave brought alot to VH..
he directed Hot For Teacher video..etc.
@@brianstrutter1501 You say a lot of good stuff but by saying "any real rock fan" completely undoes your points, which I don't believe was your intention. It makes you sound elitist. Those who pefer Hagar's era are just as much a real rock fan as you are. 🙂
I will always be a DLR fan but, I do respect and admire Sammy's work before his joining VH!
5150 on the 5150 album is my favorite song/album for sentimental reasons. I was 10y old when my mother who knows nothing about music bought me this album. Later I discovered all the past albums with DLR and learned to play guitar with a major focus on learning songs of both VH eras. The song structure of 5150 and the guitar riffs makes it my goto song when I need energy to workout, when I have a big challenge at work, when I am nostalgic of my youth, or when I want to put a smile on my face. Nothing to do with the lyrics, it is a musical thing I guess.
My favorite too. Just playing that song makes me cheer up or get pumped.
Adam should do an in-depth breakdown into 5150!
Great call man! The guitar intro on 5150 is simply mesmerizing! Great tune
I never believed in the battle between these 2 amazing frontmen. In my opinion they both had their time in history. Times change, people change & theirs nothing you can do to Change that or stop it! We all have our favorites & I enjoyed them both. I have enjoyed Sammy’s career since Montrose so he’s left an amazing mark on me & will always be one of my favorites!
Loved both Dave and Sammy. I just think of the two eras as two distinct bands that just happen to have the same name.
I know, right? It’s hard to pick just one team. I’m in the middle.
@@xxlilly_playsxxkiz9980 - i prefer the Roth era but the Hagar era was great as well
Same here (in fact I often refer to "Van Roth", "Van Hagar" and "Van Cherone").
@@brianstrutter1501 The Roth era was showy and filled with wild excess!
I love them both…both eras rock. I give the edge to Sammy who is still killing it live.
One correction: DLR didn’t take over after Gary, Sammy did. (3 new studio songs, which I LOVE, and the ill-fated ‘04 tour, that showed Eddie is just as fallible and human as the rest of us.) Dave finished out with an album and 2 tours, and despite the fact that the decades take a toll on the human voice, especially with smoking, he got VH to get back out there and play that magnificent early VH music.
Thanks Professor, and thanks to every member of VH. Your music is part of my DNA at this point. Love, respect and peace 🤘🤘
I always felt that when Sammy came in, that’s when Van Halen’s material vastly improved: became more than party music.
Now, about your question:
Favorite DLR era album: 1984. Song: Dance The Night Away.
Favorite Sammy era album: 5150. Song: The entire 5150 album…
Dance the night a way Bring back the 70s PLEEEEEASE ,
Ain't Talking 'Bout Love intro riff is the GOAT. Beautiful! Ain't punk, just awesome.
The fact that they made two albums back to back in 1984 and 5150, with two different singers, and arguably the best albums that each lead singer made with Van Halen, is pretty astounding. Personally, I was 8 when 1984 came out, and it was my first real exposure to VH, as it was impossible not to hear it on radio or MTV, and I loved it. But when 5150 came out I couldn’t stop playing that tape. I became a true VH fan at that moment, and if I had to pick a side if you will, I’m a Van Hagar fan 🤷🏼♂️
Both amazing albums. I remember my first exposure to Van Halen with Jump, it absolutely blew me away. I personally prefer 1984, but 5150 is awesome as well.
the intro for Get Up is still the heaviest intro riff of all time!
Same for me. Love both eras. I was too young to really understand what happened when Dave and VH separated, so I never took sides. As a latchkey kid, I would crank up 5150 on LP every day when I got home from school.
I wish they hadn’t wasted so many years due to fighting and Eddie’s alcoholism, but I grateful for the music they did make. Hopefully Wolfgang will open up the vault someday and we’ll some unreleased material.
@@bernhardtsen74 The intro to Judgement Day, In n Out, The Dream Is Over, and Man On a Mission are all pretty heavy too. Those that think the Sammy era is all keyboard-driven love songs have clearly never listened to For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
@@bernhardtsen74 right!! I won my first bmx freestyle vert event to that song . It had the crowd and me pumped.…. 1986 was a helluva year!
Diamond Dave all the way!!!!!!!
I loved both eras of the band. Why? They made me and millions of other people smile. Simple as that. How do you not look back on that music and smile? About 3 years ago a friend of mine hired a guy to play guitar at his party. Did various songs from the 70's, 80's and 90's. When that guy played Hot For Teacher the party took off! So many people singing and dancing having the best time. The III album had a couple of bright spots. The tour was good. But that album never made me smile. Long live the immortal EVH!!!
They were both what Eddie needed at those specific times in his life imo. Dave was like a teenage party animal. Sammy is an adult. Both great, but vastly different.
My mind can't fathom the greatest vocalist EVER Steve Perry and one of the greatest guitar gods in the same band!!!
I'd love to see an episode about Nine Inch Nails!
It took me years to get over DLR leaving Van Halen and to accept the new band. At the time, it felt like a betrayal for years of loyalty. Looking back, it seems ridiculous, but emotional connection to bands is sometimes deep. Heck, I still haven't forgiven Bonham for dying.
Emotional connections to band are defintley deep.
I know, right? You get emotionally attached to your favorite band and absolutely lose it when something tragic happens.
Same
I'm sure Bonham's death wasn't anything personal against you.
After the way EVH treated Michael Anthony and talked shit about him, I realized it was never about DLR or Sammy. It was always about Eddie. Eddie was a phenomenal musician, but a shite bandmate and human being.
DLR totally appealed to the teenager in me and Hagar helped me grow up and still feel young. Both versions are timeless and I love Van Halen, period!
@R. FXLR
Very well put. I was about to make a comment about how DLR was a phenomenal lead man and more memorable for me, but Sammy Hagar put the band on a whole new level. Then I saw your comment and I was like, yeah he's exactly right.
Me too! I am team Van Halen, not team DLR, not team Hagar.
I feel exactly the same way.
Well said!
Although the first 4 with Roth are the ones I gravitate towards these days as a middle aged gen Xer; Sammy, not so much.
There wasn't very much in DLR's lyrics that a teenager would ever get. Dave's music was for adults burnt out on the dating scene, gold-diggers and fame. That's where understanding early VH begins. Dave didn't write about hot chicks and sex, at least not after you scratch the surface. Hot chicks and sex were his Trojan horse for sense of irony and jadedness. The 5150 music? THAT was simplistic use of rock tropes and cliches. DLR was just a more intelligent, articulate man with a danker outlook on life than Hagar. If you want a window into how generally trite and intellectually sheltered Hagar actually was, I give you the lyrics, "I feel like a running politician, just trying to please you all the time." If Dave had ever penned anything about a politician, he would have hit the nail on the head by talking about how they only string people along and try to AVOID pleasing anyone- kind of like Lucy always pulling the football from Charlie Brown's kicking attempts. Without dragging this any further afield from places '80s arena-]rock fans want to look,..
Imagine Patty Smyth fronting Van Halen: that would be so interesting.Dave was the perfect showman to jump start Van Halen while Sammy was the perfect rocker to expand the bands fanship.Each were perfect for the band at the time each fronted the band.
I don't have to imagine, I know it would have been terrible. Having Patty Smyth front Van Halen sounds like one of the top 10 worst ideas of all time right next to the creation of income tax.
It would have been a train wreck.
A female van Halen singer would have been horrible. Hagar was bad enough.
5-10 years from now when CZcams acts become mainstream, you will a legend among this classic repertoire!
I'm Grad '86. The two VH eras sort of split right down the middle of my youth. Preteen and junior high - discovering VH, getting VH II on a birthday, and enjoying 1984 along with the masses. Then it's Sammy and 5150, summer parties, OU812 and more. I enjoy them all. Two halves of a whole. As you said, the coin always comes up Eddie. How lucky were we? Cheers
I am right with you there! There is no one Van Halen I like more than the other. They’re both amazing!
Having seen VH live at MSG in 1981, I will have to go with the Roth era as my favorite.
I will never get enough of your Van Halen stories, thank you!
I love how free and fun the DLR era and the maturity & musicianship of the Red Rocker era - they're nice counterpoints to each other. Some groups had that throughout their entire history. It's nice to see that difference Van Halen.
I've always said it like Joe Dirt, "I like Van Halen, not Van Hagar." But whenever I go through their entire catalog, I probably like just as many Hagar era songs as DLR. I think Hagar gets more hate than he deserves. DLR was just such a showman and the whole vibe of the band and videos were just so much more fun.
I’m team Van Halen. I live Van Halen.
Gimme a bottle of anything, and a glazed doughnut. To GO.
Warpainted Dave is forever burned on my mind.
It helps to think of them as two different bands. Van Halen is one of the all time greats of hard rock. Van Hagar is an all time great of pop rock
For me it's no contest David Lee Roth all the way (only exception FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED).
The more interviews with Sammy I see though, the more I absolutely love the person Sammy.
Oddly enough I enjoy Sammy's solo stuff way more than his Van Halen songs so the fault for me not liking the Sammy era may be more Eddies softer musical direction.
You don't join Van Halen and tell Eddie what to do unless you are insane you just work with it.
listen at 15:36 - that is some of the worst sounding pop crap I have ever heard. If you like that then go listen to tiffany, or some other bs like Hanson. Thats not rock. Thats not even good music. Van Halen (the band) died when DLR left.
I was 18 in 1978 when I heard running with the devil, instant fan, the band was new and tight, Roth's screeches and voice were such a big part that when Sammy took over, that's a huge switch, I didn't like it before I even heard Sammy, already was a fan of the red rocker, nothing against Sammy but Roth was VH to me, he's done a great job, but like most bands, there's a moment in time when the music just hits that sweet spot. Great channel. I appreciate your work.
I love both singers, I have a lot of good memories with both singers!!
Sammy was my first concert. Van hallen was my favorite band. When they came together, it was heaven.
I always felt Runnin’ with the Devil is a quintessential VH song because it was the first track on the first album which was like a slap in the face when you first hear it! As a Pasadena guy myself, I’ve always preferred DLR and the “party vibe” the original band created. 5150 is a good album but nothing with Hagar matches any of the DLR records, in my opinion. Also Michael Anthony is a great dude… he was a customer of mine back in the 90s and was always gracious. I never like when the VH brothers crapped on him.
Did you watch Rick Beato's video about Runnin?
@@thiagogfalcao No for me but I love Rick’s channel.
It’s a SCORCHER, for sure!
I only got into 70s Van Halen , David said in a interview that Van Halen is a 70s Band , Now thats FANTASTIC Baby
Bop, boze-de-boze-de-bop, se-de-bop, DLR all the way!
I feel privileged to have seen both incarnations perform live multiple times. Each time was a fantastic experience.
As much as I respect Sammy's vocal talent, DLR's era just blew me away. I just prefer Eddie's playing then more than anything else.
agree.....nothin better than authentic , original classic van halen (1978- 1984). best EVH guitar licks, n best songs with DLR vocals. van hagar was too bland, boring bubble gum overcommercialized pop.
they were the ultimate party band with dave they weren’t with sammy😩
Eddie Forever!!!
I liked the David Lee Roth era, it was a perfect image for them, they just seemed so wild, raw and carefree, you know, like real rock stars! Even the wild looking striped red guitars Eddie played fit that image so perfectly!
I'm not a hater of Sammy Hagar by any means, I was a fan of his before he joined VH. But I just didn't like 5150. To my ear, the songs just lack something. Fun, maybe.
We won tickets to see Van Halen at Kemper Arena in KC on the first Sammy tour...front row tickets! It was amazing. The band was awesome, Sammy was fantastic and they all had great chemistry. What a memory! I will always love DLR as well because 1984 was so world changing!
I was at that concert! It was Awsome!!!!
Actually, Van Halen (the first album) was world changing. 1984 was simply the continuation of a great band.
I saw that same show and literally fell asleep. Granted, I was not in the front row.
Two true power lead singers and a band that excelled and revolutionized R&R for all time. I still imagine what might have been if the fighting had managed better and egos given time to unwind. Their talent and vision was and is simply wow. Keep rocking Sammy. How about some new Chickenfoot?
We would have gotten dozens more classics from them, I hope.
This is such a good channel. Very high quality writing and production. And Zenni eyewear totally rocks as a sponsor. Thank you for both!
I'm surprised this channel isn't at 10 million yet. It's got to be right around the corner
Most people aren't old enough to remember the Van Halen live shows with Dave. Dave could never sing the songs right live, either too drunk or just couldn't hit the notes. Sammy never missed a note. I love both incarnations but the freedom Eddie enjoyed while creating with Sammy was a thing of beauty. Best VH album of all time is For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.
Why Can't This Be Love always reminded me of music for a beer commercial- "IT'S GOT WHAT IT TAKES"
You rock Adam! I'm fairly new to your channel and I love what you do here. I'm so grateful for this channel. I grew up with this music ... thought I knew it well, but you teach me so many new things every episode. Thanks man! Thank you and your team for this channel!
I had the chance to see VH with Sammy in 1991, it was the most amazing spectacle my young self had ever seen. I remember Sammy and Eddie trading guitar solos, and Sammy quipped "somebody's gotta keep this m&$*%f&$*@% in line!"
Nice year for them Jeff! Did Nirvana become more noticeable that tear too? 91 is the year of Smells Like Teen Spirit too
@@Thomasmemoryscentral I remember RHCP blowing up that year, and we played that, Nevermind, and the Metallica Black album on repeat.
Both versions of this band were great. I can’t choose between them because they were so diverse that I loved them equally.
Me neither. It’s pretty tough to go on just one side.
As a kid I can remember becoming a VH fan and never looked back. Such a wonderful catalog of great music from 2 great singers
Hey there Professor, I truly enjoyed this mini doc. covering the transition between two outstanding leads of my era of rock. I remember cruising to Boulder, CO to see VH in their early days with David Lee Roth. They were playing a small venue, Boltch Field House, and we were running late. However, my friend was driving late 70s Chevelle with a Corvette 454 in it. After hitting speeds around 145 mph a few times, we ended up getting there from the east side of Denver, early!! Imagine that! What a night, there's always more to the story and it was an unforgettable experience. The band was pretty good as well.😁
I love the first six albums from Van Halen. I bought 5150 as soon as it came out, but it just never grew on me like their previous music. Maybe it was Dave's absence. But there were a couple other differences big differences between 1984: Eddie's new studio, and the departure of Ted Templeman. To me, Templeman's departure contributed as much of the change in Van Halen's sound as DLR leaving. The post-Templeman VanHalen albums always had a more polished/finished quality that just didn't do it for me - I liked the more "raw" sound that was still present even on 1984. Sometimes I wonder if I would have appreciated Sammy more if Ted Templeman had stayed on to produce another album or two.
You are right, the difference in production prior to 5150 is huge. I prefer the energy and edginess of the Templeman albums, but on the whole prefer Sammy to DLR. Pardon the pun but Sammy + Templeman would have been the best of both worlds IMHO.
To me, Van Halen did it’s best material with DLR. However, the stuff they did when Sammy was in there was awesome too.
A great Hagar song that is a little forgotten: Standing On Top Of The World
Great Song
F.U.C.K. is an awesome disc. Runaround and Spanked also up there with Top of the World.
Yes, awesome hidden gem right there!
@@tonycrabtree3416 Agreed. My favorite Sammy era VH album, hands down. Man on a Mission and Judgement Day...great songs.
After watching three of your videos, I subscribed. What strikes me about your material is this: if you turned off the video but imagined yourself listening to a late night DJ/rock show, you would have this. Also, I could imagine this show being on PBS, because it is so educational, but it has SO much love for the origins of music, the songs, the bands. It's really lovely and relaxing, and thanks for making this show!
My ringtone for years: Ain't Talking About Love. It has a mesmerizing effect whenever it is heard.
Two great back to back albums by Van Halen with two different front men. 1984 (DLR) and 5150 (Hagar)
I agree…both eras were awesome, but the David Lee Roth era definitely wins!
Subscribed because I found myself viewing your videos a few times. You earned it, love your content
Beautiful description of both eras - as someone who fits about every description of music lover in all of your videos, I cannot express the gratitude I feel when running through your videos. The element of your videos that I am most connected to is the emotion that this era of music transmits. This is what we felt in the 80s when we listened to the radio. This channel is not a sterile academic evaluation of music, it's the description of our emotions when we heard it. Don't let anyone berate you for not having academic or technical bona fides - you are most definitely portraying music history - and I am forever grateful for it. As a couple of suggestions for future videos: 1) Turn up the Radio by Autograph (Lightning in a Bottle) and the original MTV Vjays: Mark Goodman, Nina Blackwood, Alan Hunter, Martha Quinn, and JJ Jackson. There may have been a couple of others in this era, but these are the ones that I remember.
Two bands come to mind: Genesis (Peter Gabriel /Phil Collins) and Journey (Greg Rolle/Steve Perry) may be worth Honorable Mention status. RNB
Dave 100%
AMEN!!!
Diamond Dave for the win!!!
Best frontman ever.
Man, that synth intro to jump really takes me back to my youth!! Such good memories!!!
In 2021, my last year of teaching before I retired, I used "Rooster " in a unit related to Veterans Day. I was so pleased that my 10th graders understood how powerful and realistic this song is.
Another band with two iconic lead singers: Genesis. Original 70's Prog Rock Genesis with Peter Gabriel, then a different but equally awesome 80's Genesis with Phil Collins. Both versions are amazing. As for Van Halen, I was 15 years old in 1984, so it's Diamond Dave all the way! :)
The mighty VH was mightier during the DLR days. Those first six albums stand the test of time much better. And while there is no doubt Sammy is a fabulous singer and they did many great songs with him, those albums also had lots of clunkers on them. Sammy also wrote several cringe worthy lyrics.
With Diamond DLR in the band they were the epitome of what you wanted a great rock and roll band to be.
Once again, I acknowledge Sammy’s greatness and I’m a huge fan of his solo work……..but if I rank the VH catalog, the first 6 albums will all rank above any of the Sammy led albums. And even ADKOT would only be beat out by 5150 and for unlawful carnal knowledge.
Just my opinion. And I say this recognizing that Dave appears to have gone mostly crazy in recent years and is a shawdow of what he was in his prime.
The DLR and SH eras occurred at the dividing line between high school and college for me. Both bring back great memories, and I listen to them both to this day. That said, they have very different feels. To people who say one is "the real" Van Halen sound is doesn't realize that they are 2 DIFFERENT bands.
Excellent video - Thanks!
I remember when they announced that Hagar was going to be the new lead singer for Van Halen. Everyone knew an loved Hagar and knew it would be great
I really loved David Lee Roth Van Halen. I loved Sammy Hagar solo. I was never able to get into the Sammy Hagar Van Halen. I was somewhat ok with the first Sammy Hagar VH album 5150. But just couldn't keep that interest. I just didn't feel the same musical intensity that I so loved with the DLR VH.
I feel the same way.
There is no debate in my mind. I liked both eras. They had a different flavor and produced excellent music.
Seeing The Professor's video notifications has become one of the best parts of my day 🔥
Great episode. I was in junior high school when Van Halen’s first album came out and loved every album through high school. I think I bought most DLR VH albums on Vinyl, cassette and CD in my life. I was a Sammy Fan before VH too and Van Hagar was a great evolution of the band to get me through college and even early parenting. I have a some 2 weeks older than Wolfie and used to play 316 for him while rocking him to sleep. Still love both eras and can find and album or playlist for every mood. 💯❤️
I truly do love both versions! Even some Gary tunes had sparks of greatness… hell I even really like the tune Mitch did! Roth era I have to go with “Fair Warning” some Eddie’s greatest playing and Dave’s quirky lyrical story telling and for Hagar “OU812” it truly shows Eddie as songwriter and Hagar now more comfortable in his VH role. Mike’s vocal add do much yo Sammy’s Melodie’s and Alex driving it home
I was born in 1970, and remember skipping school to watch MTV when it was born. DLR was the coolest lead singer of all time, and Van Halen died when he left. I never cared for Sammy’s time with VH, even though I did like his solo work a lot. 1984 was a powerful record that was a big part of making the 80’s the greatest decade to grow up in that can never be replicated. The albums with Hagar felt forced and lacked the same smooth coolness that DLR brought to the group.
MAN this made me cry. I love all of there music!
Hello, great channel. Growing up the youngest of 4, I remember competitive fan bases. My brother was Elton John and Sister was Peter Frampton. They both trashed talked each other. I heard in an interview from David Lee Roth saying he had nothing against Sammy, but he also was a competitor and that was basically the divide. Looking back, bands in the 70s & 80's did compete against each other with the listeners benefitting for sure
I really like the live video of "Love Walks In." Love Sammy`s singing, lead guitar playing, and how happy everyone looks on stage. I`ve had two UFO encounters with missing time and contact with an entity too that changed my life and also saved my life so I understand the song. In that regard it often floors me and is a very emotional song to me.
@@eightiesmusic1984 I`ve seen dozens of them (no saucers but we had issues with those too when I was a baby according to my older sister) and there`s always other witnesses. My last encounter though in 1999 I was alone night fishing. That one scared me. Had seven hours of missing time. Not sure what to make of that one. I assume they`re here to help us but they aren`t very forthcoming and are very cryptic and refuse to answer many questions I have for whatever reason. But it`s good to see the subject getting the serious attention it deserves. Maybe they`ll soon stop calling us crazy. Do people seriously believe witnesses are making all these stories up? Seriously?
It was real in your mind.
I didn't know so many singers were seriously vetted for this coveted position! I was a fan but I didn't know much about details back then, of most bands. Great idea for the vid Prof!!!! I can't decide, they had their own sound so have never compared them. SH never tried to sound like DLR, unlike other bands that replace the singer.
I saw them once with DLR & twice with The Red Rocker! They really need to do a tribute for *EVH* 🙏🏻🤘🏼
Me neither! I remember Adam posted a video about how Patty Smyth was originally supposed to be the lead singer for Van Halen.
@@xxlilly_playsxxkiz9980 I either forgot about that or didn't see that video. I hope you're doing well & have a great weekend!!
I agree that an EVH tribute is sorely needed and warranted. Seems like VH fans need to be able to pay tribute to the legendary life and musical career of the greatest rock guitarist ever. We will always pay tribute by continuing to listen to VH’s music but a one-time tribute concert would be fitting.
@@johnnyd3155 I mean, David Bowie's tribute *WAS* 5 years after his death, on his birthday so to have it at a significant time might happen & maybe he said he didn't want anything like that?? Who knows but if that's the case you would think EVH or someone significant in EVH's camp would've said something. Especially with everyone pushing for it.
@@charleyanne Yeah, it was released a little over a year ago. I hope you enjoy your wonderful weekend!
They toured together in 2002 and I caught the show in Phoenix. I believe the “opener” was decided on the Howard Stern show by coin flip and as such Sammy opened the show. He blew DLR off the stage that night. Great show full of energy. Top of their game musicians. Massive catalog of music and even material from a recent album that was doing well. He was awesome. Dave hit the stage in a blue sequin jump suit and was out of breath before the first song ended. He looked and sounded his age. I guess he got his shit together later in life but he was awful that night. I left before the encore.
I have to give to you sir. Another Professor of Rock insightful view into the evolution of this collaboration.
This is Gary Cherone erasure. Everyone knows that the third part of a trilogy is ALWAYS the best one!
😅😅😅😅😅
They’re not just two different singers, it was two different eras. What worked in 1979 was not going to work in 1986. Eddie had already started to change the sound of the band with the 1984 album. Times were changing, and Eddie was updating the sound of VH, regardless of who was singing. It was always Eddie’s band. If you didn’t like the new direction of VH, don’t blame Hagar. Eddie changed the sound. Personally, I love both eras.
Agreed. The best tracks off Different Kind of Truth were unreleased songs from 1970’s set list and demos.
Ain’t talkin bout love is one of the top 10 killer riffs ever written!! I was 4 yrs old when I heard this blasting from my teenage brother’s room in 1978, & as naive as I was, I was blown away & some how knew I was hearing something unique & very special!
The Sammy era of Sammy Hagar, LOL. I miss all of those concerts around 1980ish. The Red Rocker was a favorite of mine. I was devastated wen Roth left VH and refused SH as the front man for a very long (and childish) time. They're both amazing. I must say that the VH debut album stands out as one of the best rock albums of all time. It really changed things for the better when Eddie was introduced to the world. RIP Ed.