Star Trek: Picard - Season 1 (My Thoughts)
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- čas přidán 26. 03. 2020
- Star Trek : Picard brings back Sir Patrick Stewart as the iconic and beloved Jean Luc Picard. As a long time Trek fan, I had a lot to say, so I hope you enjoy 20 minutes of my flailing hands and voice. Here are my thoughts of STAR TREK: PICARD - SEASON 1!
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"Everyone always forgets about lore."
Yes. Yes they do.
Not everyone, when Wrath of Khan was made the director hadn't seen Star Trek before, so he went and watched every single episode. Also as much as people like to rag on JJ Abrams' films, he also went and watched every single episode before doing his first movie on the series. If only the same were true with Picard.
drksideofthewal Or that fact that Dr. Noonian Soong had already perfected mind transfer when he made an android of his wife. The same robotic wife who told Data, Soong never had any human children. The same robotic wife who goes completely unmentioned in this series. Why?
Haven't you heard?
Kurtzman: We have to avenge JJ and Moonves by gangraping everything Roddenberry, Braga, and Berman done because, like Akiva Goldsman, Hollywood doesn't know when to quit me entirely
@@lich109 Even though JJ was more concerned about wanting merch based on his version to sell and nothing more.
Me? I rather he makes a deal with Funko Pop for Felicity, Alias, Lost, and Fringe than waste a brand he didn't even create. Fuck, who wouldn't want a Funko of Keri Russell, Jennifer Garner, Victor Garber, Daniel Dae Kim, Joshua Jackson, or John Nobel??
They forgot about Lore, and they ignored THE lore.
Studio: "Can you add a ninja?" Writers: "Ok but he'll barely fight" Studio: "Great, everyone loves a ninja"
Ninja are tiiiiight
@@scrow7752 Did he do a backflip and break the bad Romulan's neck?
giddeo - Especially a sissy boy ninja that can blub like a real girl?
Yeah~ We got THAT covered no problem! 😼😎
@@tranilator So it was a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude?
Won't it be confusing adding all these conflicting and distracting nonsensical plots? Actually super easy! Barely an inconvenience.
She is NOT Data's daughter. She just has some of his memories. Data only has one daughter, and her name is Lal.
It would depend, in this case, on how we are defining our terms.
As a cross-fandom analogy, should we consider the millions of clone soldiers used in a galaxy far far away as the children of Jango Fett? The defecting ARC trooper Alpha-02 ("Spar") was hailed by some Mandalorians as the "son of Jango", and took the title "Mandalore the Resurrector" for a time in the early Imperial era. But he wasn't raised by Jango, which is more important than biological lineage in the Mandalorian culture (though they were in desperate enough straits to overlook any imposture).
Similarly, the fractal neuronic replication technique seems to do what Data could not do mechanically -- create stable android brain matrices more than once. It's assumed that Data provided the neuron (or it could have been B-4 post memory upload, which would also explain the simulation of Data in the Soong mainframe) -- and there is no doubt that these are Noonien Soong's second-generation progeny, but biological terms like "father" are at best analogies for what's going on. It can't help but be variable milage as to whether they apply (though what a better term is eludes me right now)....
No. Not according to the show, boomer.
@@ryanhawe8234 - Jango, in the comics and books, did not consider the Clone Trooper army to be his children. In fact, Jango killed several clone troopers. The only person Jango considered to be his son was Boba Fett - (who was a special clone not like the others).
The episode with Lal still makes me cry at the end.
@@TheBigExclusive Right, and Kal Skirata (one of those hired to train the Grand Army) adopted the Null-class ARC troopers and several commando squads as his own family, while Fenn Shysa (a free agent with a peculiar dynastic fixed idea) proclaimed the aforementioned Spar as the Son and Heir to Jango in an attempt to rally the scattered clans (with limited success). Other, Separatist-affiliated Mandalorians held Jango in contempt for selling his genome, and pitied the Republic's clone troopers as being deprived of souls through no fault of their own.
While all the above is instructive regarding Mandalorian culture and the GFFA's larger attitudes towards sentient cloning, the question was how we on Earth should view such a thing.
And getting back to the original assertion and analogy, while Lal is the only second-generation Soong design to have been physically made by Data, what should we call the Coppelians, whose brain matrices have been taken from Data's patterns and grown to order in the same way as millions of soldiers were made from one man in another galaxy and franchise?
Mass Effect: Picard. Spoiler alert: he chose the synthesis ending...
Well referenced! Thanks for the laugh.
Every time Michelle Hurd said, “JL” was like finger nails on a chalkboard.
even worse was the RomuLannisters!every 2nd woman talking to JL was cussing him out!what about that scottish romulan who worked for him!!"Those cheeky ¤==#!/s!" she said! and the Stargate inside the Borg cube!Borgs that died exposed in outer space?the warrior boy, raised in the ways of the warrior nuns!
@@bernhardtsen74 To be fair the Stargate was technology Voyager found in the Delta Quadrant. They discovered that in theory it could send the crew home but they'd need the planet it was on and the destination to be the same unique structure. That species (or some of it) got assimilated evidently.
But yeah, the whole freaking cube opening up and then they don't just beam them back in was really strange.
@@bernhardtsen74 Irish Romulan who said "Feck"
andrew weisel totally. Such a bad idea. And show some fucking respect lady
Raffi always says JL.
Someone else thinks that the "Highly Advanced Sythetics" felt eerily like Reapers from Mass Effect.
It's called a ripoff
@@MiracleManMax And there were metallic tentacles
And the whole concept of banning synthetics is exactly the same as Mass Effect's galaxy wide convention banning true AI. The whole concept of Picard is a rip off of ME.
@@stephenwakeman3074 The guy even used dialogue to stop the war. Picard went full paragon and chose the blue dialogue option.
@GiRayne Mass Effect seems to pull from a lot of sci-fi with Star Wars being the biggest influence on the game. The devs did make KotOR.
Wait... Dr Soong has a kid? That essentially breaks the entire reason Data, Lore and B4 exist.
The question really is: How many lights does he see now?
There are 4 lights!!!!
however many the studio bosses tell him to see.
@@user-ti6hq2tc9o well for this one unfortunately he was also deciding, as he said he wanted it to teach us the lesson how Brexit is bad.
Salz Burger There are actually 5 lights.
Pink lights o.o
The people who made this show really didn't give two shits about being consistent with TNG or any other Star Trek.
That's what I've been saying nothing connects to the past at all.
bla blahblah huh? He said that
@Thomas Crown political agenda? Where?
Memorra Sylver what u didn’t get the white man bad motif. Hard to miss. Didn’t you see all the intellectual spankings Picard took from his comrades? Only women in positions of power who throw their authority around willy nilly. Weird anti segregation message like “Romulans only” in English on a planet with only Romulans (which makes sense why?). Pretty easy to spot even if you weren’t looking. I gotta wonder if certain folk intentionally ignore this stuff.
This show was a continuity and character consistency nightmare. By the way with Rios holograms and the fact that they’re AI why wasn’t this addressed at all? In the future VOYs EMH would lobby for hologram rights so why not include Mr Picardo? Or Janeway considering how important that relationship with 7 of 9 was on VOY.
Hi Klingon Hustler, I suggest watching some of the Easter eggs videos that talks about each of the episodes and also the CBS All access interview of the actors. The producers really, really tried to honor the past star trek materials and there is a lot of elements taken from previous TNG episodes. As a TNG fan, I am very happy they made this series and I think they did a very good job.
The swearing pissed me off. Yes Jeremy you're right. Just like James T Kirk said "colorful metaphors" so that was just a bullshit insertion...
It's because it's being written by dumber people, for dumber people, showing a society that no longer needs the metaphors and can explain thoughts more eloquently seems silly to them :(
@@thewilhelmscream7912 I find that most modern sci-fi shows nowadays are being made by a bunch of talentless edge-lords who never liked the original series so they decided to infiltrate Hollywood and made things more edgy with profanity, sex, and much darker, gloomy tones into everything because that automatically make the show "better" to them without having subtlety, nuance, and vision in them, smh.
It's baffling how people are still ok with these shows being made.
@@ryantheanimator1156 Yes...sadly I even started noticing this as the tail end of the 90's and beginning of the 2000's, the more people wanted cable rated content, the more shows, both sci fi and fantasy started to go for more cgi or scandalous content and less actual writing and memorable plot/dialogue, painful!!!
"SHEER.. FUCKING... HUBRIS!!!"
"YOU DON'T KNOW STAR TREK!"
***I scream at the TV***
Rodd Thunderheart You know what it is, it’s a writer enacting a fantasy and that is to show a woman in power finally getting a chance to tell a man to shut the fuck up. It’s not Star Trek at all. It’s SJW melodrama.
The finale had me asking, "Where is shepard the reapers are coming!"
Basically. The time spent watching ST Picard would be better spent replaying the mass effect trilogy.
@@DargorV Exactly right
TNG: 3 course meal at a 5 star restaurant
Picard: Burger King chicken nuggets, stale fries and a diet coke
The only redeemable, actual Picard performance was when he started ranting to the journalist in the interview. He never gets angry or shows righteous indignation for the rest of the season. “I’m sorry.” “It’s my fault” “you’re so right.” “I should have done more.” Yuck! I hate that in a protagonist.
How could you not love the strong admiral telling Picard he had sheer fucking hubris and telling him to shut the fuck up. ... they ruined a great character.
I would have liked the idea that his age and experience made him less polite. The problem is, Stewart is too classy and settled in his ways. Picard was just him being himself instead of an actual character.
He's a powerful white male. Obviously he needs to spend the rest of his life apologizing for it.
@Klausbärbel Fömm no, I'm afraid that being polite is classy. Don't let your politics ruin your manners.
Stewart was just being himself and that is a nice guy. We needed more for this show, though.
@Klausbärbel Fömm you brought your politics into it for no reason at all. I just think the show could have been better if Picard was a grizzled vet instead of a softie...and he is a nice guy. I don't care about your political agenda.
Remember when Star Trek was all about that bloody, graphic violence and cussing?
Alex Kurtzmann remembers.
Pepperidge farm remembers...
Remember when one used to update show formulas to keep updated with the times so it doesn't look like a show for toddlers?
@@Atlas_Redux Are you seriously defending the mental retardation that is this show? Or pretending that original Star Trek stuff like TNG that was full of deep themes and philosophy is for toddlers? Lmao
@@Atlas_Redux spoken like someone who never saw or understood Star trek.
Star trek is ment to be an near utopian future unlike the rest of sci fi and STD and Depicard are the athesis of that.
@@Atlas_Redux Looks like this people didn't. However I wouldn't call the old shows for toddlers.
Jeremy, you cannot spoil that which was rotten from the start.
@Freeze Peach It very much isn't.
@Freeze Peach yeah I also like the show
Series summary: Picard goes from one place to another where women in power yell at him and call him names.
If that's all you got out of the show, you seem unusually sensitive to seeing women in power.
I mean Raki is a crazy desert hermit lady so not exactly in a position of power. Hologram lady was very nice showing him some old paintings. Doctor lady at the Daystrom institute liked him just fine. Ninja nuns called him old I guess, but that's not much name calling between friends. He never really met O or the spy sister. Android world was run by a male Dr Soong. Borg cube was run by Hugh. Pretty sure the romulan insulting him in the cafe was a guy.
So you're offended by meeting sweary starfleet officer twice and then what... one of the villains being an evil female nightclub owner who mostly ignores him? A journalist being a slightly mean interviewer in his own house where he ends it as soon as he pleases? Sura giving him a head tilt or two?
Seems a weird thing to focus on, but you do you.
@@michaelkenner3289 I don't mind women in power, but that's all there were. It was unrealistic and drew me from the narrative, which there really wasn't much of anyway. It really seemed like 3 different shows that some one forced together. At least I hope so, because, otherwise it looked like a couple of high school kids wrote it. Between undeveloped characters, convenient plot points, and magical devices that came out of no where, it just seemed so amateur. A show like "The Expanse" has plenty of women in power, but it seemed natural and realistic, IMO.
@@michaelkenner3289 seems like you are unusually sensitive about people criticizing lazy writing of woman. It’s pretty clear they choose to put woman in almost all positions of power, even crazy hermit woman gets to bully Picard around - all to flip the annoying usual focus on men dominating. And they do it so poorly compared to the Expanse which has both men and woman in positions of power, and a fairer, more equal representation. This happens in a universe which is more dark than the universe presented in STP.
Pretty weird thing not to notice, but you do you.
Never seen anything Star Trek related, but I’m still watching cause Jeremy is dope
Same
X3
_Star Wars is better_
You should watch the reboot trilogy, reeal good imo.
ekc99 The reboot trilogy isn’t good for Star Trek fans. Nero is arguably the dumbest villain in film history with going back in time and inexplicably not warning Romulus of the future. He could save his family and is the first character I’ve seen choose not to change history for no good reason. That idea is never brought up and those movies are for more of a general audience that doesn’t think things through.
If you're upset Hugh died, What did you think of Icheb. The borg boy Voyager rescued from the Delta Quadrant, basically Hugh if he decided to stay and become a member of the crew, and they just brutally ripped his eyeball out and shot him point-blank in the heart after everything he's been through. talk about doing a character dirty.
I never liked Icheb but that was ridiculous.
I loved Icheb, that scene broke my heart just a little but
They did that because the original actor pissed people off. Google it.
@@rockyseverino9230 pissed off some whiny bitches on twitter lol
@@Moutopher he even apologized pretty quickly, and simply said, hey I met Kevin Spacey, he seemed a decent fellow, and I wanted to stand up for him. It looks like I made a mistake and I apologise to whomever I may have hurt.
Somehow that makes him a monster.
Star Trek: Picard is a textbook example of something that had a lot of potential ruined by shambolic execution, not even the nostalgia could save it.
Come-on
It's not that bad - good, it can't hold a candle to TNG or NextGen - and it was a bit long winding and slow at some points, but it was not as bad as StarTrek Discovery where I haven't even seen the 2nd season yet. I watched the 1st Season and literally don't want to hear from it, I don't even watch reviews of it, where people rip it to shreds.
I finished today StarTrek Pickard and now I revisit some reviews as I wanted to avoid spoilers.
I binge watched it, so watched E6 to E10 today.
It had its moments and that all the Borg were killed off was a wasted opportunity as I hopped to see, a Borg cube fighting on the site of Starfleet against a rogue Romulan fleet - kinda Wolf 359 battle scene.
7of9 a Borg queen was brilliant, I mean, she had the most Borg implants and was different to the others, so she was probably planned to become a Borg Queen anyway, or was even backup.
But then they just crashed that block into a seaside location and that's it....
Opportunities, missed ones.
@@ldorman,you should watch season two of discovery, they realized their mistake and in my opinion, they have started the path to fix it.
@@bitduelist
I don't give 2nd chances - will be maybe very, very bored in 5 to 10 years and then maybe dig it out and watch it, but now, it doesn't deserve my attention.
Season 2 of discovery realized what it did wrong in the first season. But forgot it by the end
Orku5 watch Discovery Season 2 Captain Pike is awesome.
The Johnathan Frakes directed episodes was my favorites.
i dislike this trend that in order to continue a story, things have to go sour: 1) Seven & Chakotay did not have their happy end; 2) Picard becomes disillusioned with Starfleet, but instead of helping the Romulans his own way, he becomes Luke Skywalker drinking wine instead of blue milk & doting over a destroyed android he never truly appreciated during TNG...
you'd think that after Undiscovered Country, they'd be wary of Romulans bearing gifts...
one more thing, he doesn't have his usual Picard accent. old Picard is Patrick Stewart as Professor X in Logan...
I am so sad that "becoming Luke Skywalker" now means to become a bitter old failure who has given up on life. I remember when Luke Skywalker was a positive role model for hope and forgiveness.
@@William-the-Guy agreed
@@William-the-Guy Yeah Disney's ruined my childhood after what they did to all 3 of them.
Now it's a joke
Hollywood is full of miserable people, so they write their stories filled with miserable people too.
@@William-the-Guy yeah they did luke dirty.
Dude, Lal??? Like Data had a daughter. It was one of the best episodes. "The Offspring". Seriously, why is this not mentioned at all?
They don't own the rights to the TV shows and they only have access to movie data. Which is why the show has no real lore. They must've paid the original writer for [Bruce Maddox] Measure of a Man though and nothing else. I know in one episode they showed an actual screenshot of Picard on TNG from the borg assimilation, RLM found it funny! Trust me, Bad Reboot/Kurtzman is what is giving us this low quality trek. Speak your mind! Don't be afraid to question these horrible made-for-a-quick-buck "Star Trek" shows.
“Did they watch the Next Generation before they made this show?” No, Jeremy, clearly they probably just watched a couple episodes AFTER they had to reshoot 75% of the series. You’re more qualified than anyone writing for this show. This is so far from anything Star Trek than I’ve ever seen.
Shuxy I think they are a bunch of millennials who just googled it
They're huge fans of the show, actually. The show is full of obscure Easter Eggs to prove it. I don't know what y'all were expecting. These complaints go beyond nitpicking. Why don't y'all admit you were never going to be satisfied with a new Star Trek story that deviated in ANY WAY from your fantasy of what such a show would be like? Pfft.
@@kempiro It's okay for them to miss plot points and elements from TNG, as long as they put in a few easter eggs so journos can make an article or two. Just lol.
And of course there's the typical non-argument of "fans are never going to be satisfied". This show has garbage storytelling at it's core, even before you factor in all it's inconsistencies with the rest of Star Trek.
@@titsbitchmcgee7502, "a few Easter Eggs?" There are dozens. And constant references. And the storytelling was better than plenty of TNG "plots." Character arcs, surprises, redemption, grief, betrayals. "Garbage storytelling" must mean, "It wasn't the storytelling I wanted."
@@kempiro Weak. The writers of Picard can't handle being on a serialized show, which is why they always sloppily rush to wrap up their character arcs and plotlines at the last minute.
The fact that you're actually trying to use the volume of easter eggs as an argument shows you either don't care about the story or you're desperate to find anything that makes Picard look good.
Watching TNG, did you ever get the impression that Data was any more important to Picard than his other crew members? No but they're the two most popular characters from TNG, so now they were besties!
Picard's a skinjob. Replicant or Humanoid Cylon, take your pick.
Prototype Japanese sexbot?
Jake Picard.
@OriginalTharios no, that's bad reboots fault.
Picard is dead. He's been replaced, but the character we knew is dead and never coming back.
John Luck Pickerd, maybe?
I have a feeling RLM’s reaction to the ending of Picard will be very, very different.
RLM makes their coin off of having bad reactions to things. It's fun sometimes, but I can't really hold them up as critics as much anymore knowing that _they_ know that's why people watch them.
They hate everything so it wouldent suprise me.
@@TheRealAlpha2 They don't though. They just recently gave The Mandalorian a good review. And they give plenty of movies good reviews. Picard is just truly awful.
TheRealAlpha2 watching Half in the Bag over the years they’re pretty much 50/50 between liking and disliking. Yeah they go especially hard on movies and shows they don’t like, but they like just as many as they dislike.
Nerdrotic is the one that gets off on negative reviews. RLM give fair reviews.
I'll always love the creativity in language in "Darmok".
Seth Saunders Temba, his arms wide.
Sokath, his eyes open
When the walls fell
They castrated my boy Picard. He's everyone's favorite punching bag now.
Now, you know how the elderly feel when society makes them feel obsolete when they retire!
minus the bag?
😥
@@fredrika27 yeah, the series wasn’t entertaining either.
Jesus Christ RLM called the whole ending lol. They also made the mass effect comparisons. Alex Kurtzman has already been in one lawsuit over allegedly copying the story of a video game. why not double or nothing?
*Star Trek: Picard*
_Mass Effect Edition_ 🥺
Rich evans?
Kurtzman can't stop stealing from video games.
Still better than ME:Andromeda
I'd say they stole about half from Mass Effect (Normandy, Prothean visions, and Reapers) and half from the 2004 Battlestar Galactica (organic synths, mind transfer, all of this has happened before and will happen again, and the religious themes).
@@KingOfMadCows Agreed.
"you cant expect Star Trek: The Next Generation walking into this"
OK, but I still do expext STAR TREK walking into this, and Picard was not Star Trek.
@@vinnyc.1265 stop it, you are being childish
@@vinnyc.1265 Millennial here. Still want some grown-up TV for grown-up people.
@@vinnyc.1265 Idiot.
Picard isn't science fiction which makes it not star trek
@Freeze Peach soooo ... your kind of Star Trek is better than mine. Interesting, and rather disgusting, head space you live in.
I don't remember the title, but my fav. tng episodes were the ones where Romulans, Klingons, Vulcans and Humans all discovered they have a common ancestor.
TNG fan, lots of episodes made me sort of rage quit and then go back out of obligation. Didn't find very much to be positive about honestly, other than it being nice to see the cast again.
It was like watching a fan film with cameos. The diologue was even wrong sometimes "raise deflectors!"
I lost all interest around episode 8. Episode 7(Nepenthe) made me think there could be something, then it went to its stupid, angsty, old self. Angst, too serious, too graphic etc...that's not what ST is about! Hell, even the DOMINION WAR had a "pause button" in the form of Ferengi episodes(Love Songs, Magnificent Ferengi, one with Area 51...) ; Pee Hard was just raw, undiluted angst. Felt horrible most of the time.
@@Mockthenerd Deflectors are shields. What's wrong with raise deflectors?
Quit while you can and never look back. I watched DS9 out of obligation, waiting for a good episode that never came, and by the end I hated it so much for wasting 7 years of my life that I swore I would quit anything I didn't like. I watched 4 eps of Picard, and this review points to the rest of the series not being that interesting, so I'm quitting Picard. It's quicker to read the synopsis on Wiki than wasting time watching something you don't like.
SidneyCritic ComedyHound I would say DS9 from season 3 or 4 is pretty good. I would give it another chance. There are some great episodes.
Seasons 1 and 2 are poor just like in TNG and Voyager. But I still much prefer them to STP because this show actually made dislike Picard for being so weak when someone scolded him every episode.
I wanted to watch this but the fact that you need a subscription just drove me away. Eh, glad I'm not missing anything
*you start to hear pirate sea shanties playing in the distance*
They're running a free month trial right now.
Amazing. 2020, and people still don't know about torrents. And now you can even stream torrents.
Omg. Its 2020. People still pay/subscribe to watch the show?
U already got ur internet. There's so many pirate site u can download any new movie and series. U just need use the brain.
@@waddefaq4325 Some of us aren't poor.
I think the kindest thing I can say about ST: Picard is that it has some great ideas that probably should have been trimmed down to a 2-parter episode in a larger series.
"...the Abrams-movies are still in the Biff-alternate timeline!"
😂😂😂
Carsten Stumpe amazing line
You guys ever think about how the borg have just continually been nerfed with each new series?
Jeremy's Patrick Stewart impression cracked me up.
That's because over time, the Federation and other factions have had years of researching the Borg at this point.
mrgrinch13 yeah but the shows are breaking continuity, like this show with the borg being sucked into space killing them, in first contact borg drones did fine in the vacuum of space
I never really thought they were that scary ever since Data found a way to make all the drones on a cube fall asleep, or that you can really mess with them just by showing them an impossible object. Both of those were in TNG as well, and are bad conclusions to otherwise good episodes, mainly because they make the Borg look very easy to exploit and beat.
@@lich109 borg literally don't care about you unless you have interesting tech or they need to replenish drone numbers.
1. The Inner Light. (Listen to the theme from this episode after having seen it. If you don't at least shed a tear, you're dead inside.)
2. Q Who. (First Borg episode. Absolutely terrified me. "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.")
3. The Perfect Mate. (When Picard leads her to the transporter room, after learning that she's bonded with him, but she's going to do her duty and marry this guy who doesn't give a crap about her... oof.)
4. The Best of Both Worlds Part 1. (Longest.Summer.Ever.)
5. Family. (The aftermath of Best of Both Worlds.)
I'm an odd fan because I hated inner light and strongly disliked the cyborg storylines
The Inner Light is the best TNG episode for sure.
@@od1401 I didn't get the point of it. The civilization had been long gone for centuries. They then essentially mind raped/stockholm syndrome Picard to make him feel as though he not only lived there but have an entire family to only be like nope we didn't want people to forget us. I can understand not wanting to be forgotten so they could have done it in a way that didn't make Picard think he actually had a life with them. And the reason I said Stockholm syndrome is because in the beginning Picard new he didn't belong there
Chain of Command is pretty great. Sidenote: I appreciate that Jeremy's Patrick Stewart imitation is right on the edge of competent.
a friend of mine said it best.... "I'd like it if it was better"
I could not get passed episode three, with that vaping lady, telling "JL" off all the time. JL my a**
Sounds like some quality writing.
I gave up at ep. 5. It's just a generic sci-fantasy with bad writing at this point. Real real shame.
Totally agree!
@C Rizzy Nah sounds like he has good taste. Show was a disgrace to Trek and made for fake ass fans.
Redlettermedia said it best, it's a show written by people that have never seen star trek but have heard of it.
Just watch The Orville it's the closest thing we can ge to Star Trek these days.
Grew up watching TNG with my dad, now we are addicted to Orville, I like to pretend Orville is star trek hundreds of years later where the federation in a effort to correct for the bad things from Picard it reformats itself as the Union
Planetary Union FTW
@@NerdlySquared Exactly! The show is having fun and we are along for the ride. I love it.
Didn't take a'watch the orville' drone to shout out. A bad copy and pc paste. There said. Have a good day!
Orville is awful
14:30 ... Speaking of lazy, did you know that the "very important" vision about the synthetics killing the organics is actually not created by the show staff, it's just a bunch of stock footage bought online and slapped together with minimal editing (i.e adding Data's face into the clips).
Who remembers that borgs can survive in space? So 7 of 9 could have scooped them up. But didn't.
I’m only a casual Star Trek fan and even I remembered that from the First Contact movie.
Even if they weren't able to, you don't die immediately when exposed to the vacuum of space, she could have just closed the doors/force fields and teleport them back in. Was she in control of the cube or not?? The Romulans wouldn't even have been able to open the door in the first place.
I like that Jeremy knows Shadows of the Empire.
Spoilers unless you've already seen the Shutterstock gifs that were used in the show.
I'm probably the only person in the world who's glad for this show...it made me discover Deep Space 9 and gave me hours of entertainment watching people make fun of the train wreck.
Nepu-Tech USA
That’s cool it brought you to DS9. Has problems in that show but has a lot of good too
Ds9 is my favorite Star Trek series, not because it fearlessly explored war and religion, but because it explored how humanity could rise to meet those challenges without losing its hope to cynicism.
I love DS9, my fave after TOS.
DS9 is the best Star Trek
Loved deep space nine. One of my favorite shows of all time. Also really enjoyed picard. The internet dogpild the show. It was not nearly as bad as everyone told me it was. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
great points and perspective on this. the way you said the idea of synthetic life killing organic life being a part of the prophecy and the Borg knowing that because of assimilating whats her name being the thing that breaks the Borg cube makes a lot more sense than "the sheer amount of her sadness" breaking it like the show portrayed.
The swearing threw me off too 😅
Because this wasn't Star Trek, this was 2020 in space.
Sheer fucking hubris
You KNOW the writers didn't watch TNG when writing for this one.
Bad Reboot modus operandi. They ruin EVERYTHING they touch. DC is next. And if you don't like it, you are a racist sexist istphobe.
@@porkflaps4717 They had their fingers on DC since The Dark Knight Rises.
Thank you so much for doing this review. Great stuff! I am a fan of both your channel and of Picard. The best of both worlds...
Space: the final frontier.
These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise.
Its continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no one has gone before!
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And it would never get boring if every Star Trek show just followed the same formula of "exploring" /s
What show is that from? Clearly, not Star Trek.....
BradTheAmerican your comment but unironically. Exploring unknown space is always a great premise. It just needs good writing, but sadly we got Alex Kurtzman.
@@makasete30 Exploring is fine, but the show should branch out to expand the universe. I think DS9 did that nicely with the Dominion War arc, and the introduction of Section 31. While Voyager is essentially the same premise as TOS and TNG, I don't usually think of it as an exploration show, as that's just a symptom of their mission getting back home. Personally I wish we could get a post WW3, post First Contact prequel show (late 2060s-2070s) in and around the Sol system dealing with the Kzinti War. That kind of environment wouldn't lend to much exploration (other than the nearest star systems and a fleet eventually going to Kzin), but it could "explore" plenty of the human condition, and various philosophical/moral issues like religion, war refugees and veterans, PTSD, or whatever. I've wondered for quite a while what happened to the world religions after First Contact with the Vulcans. Would some collapse? Adapt? Become violent? There's so much juicy lore that could be explored from that era, which is surprisingly referenced a lot but we just haven't seen.
They gave him an Android super body! And then they nerfed him to be as physically and mentally fit as a 90 year old man. How many of us if we had our minds transferred into the body the body of a Kryptonian would be like; "Yeah, thanks for curing my cancer, but could you take away the super strength flight and the mental capacity to understand a god machine in seconds? Yeah, just make me as fit as 35 year old high school teacher that ate a full size meat lovers pizza and decided ice cream for breakfast was a good idea. And if you could add the bed sores from watching 4 seasons of The Office last weekend that would be great"
I mean, yes, that would make sense, but then you can't exactly have Patrick Stewart playing the character, and I get the feeling he wants to still play Jean Luc.
@@DaSuDanesi Yeah, but they are the writers they decide what happens, if this didn't make sense they could change it to something that does, so what they could say is he's got a degenerative neurological disease, they cure him at the end by implanting a nueral net frame onto his brain to replace the part of his mind that were failing. Or as many people were saying was he was going to be recast as a new younger actor, I'd hate that but it would make sense according to their story, or not give him the disease if they couldn't find a good solution to it. There were an infinite amount of choices that they could take but they took this one because ??????
They Weyoun'd Picard. Now they can keep killing him in different ways and just have his mind transferred to a clone every time he dies.
@@KingOfMadCows Season 2 is an anthology series, every episode a new Picard and a new death.
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I haven't heard you ever talk about DS9, but there's a lot of fun Romulan backstory and information about other species, and easily my favorite Trek. As much as I love Picard, DS9 tackles a lot of more realistic and more human topics than other Trek series and has a lot more relatable characters. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it
It's not better. It's just different. And I really liked it. Though I wasn't expecting the whole 7of9/Raffi hand grab. That kinda came out of left field. Other than that, I liked a lot of the choices they made with this show. And I totally cried during the scenes with data. Beginning and last episode. So good.
A good thing about the show, they do exist, is extending the story of Data. I thought that it was an interesting thought that the remnant of Data felt like he had to die to have humanity even after he lesrned what it was to be a human. He knew he couldnt be a human and be immortal and that was cool. But then Rafi was in the show...
I miss DS9. The should do a spin-off with Garak and 7 of 9.
Do you want them to ruin DS9 too ?
DS9 is brilliant. Nothing these people do is.
GARAK was a G..one of my favourite character's
Good choice 👍🏻
Well they've ruined Seven of Nine as well. She forgot all the lessens Janeway taught her. Also she's now randomly a lesbian, because current year
I love it when youtubers do the old man Picard voice. Cracks me up.
As a sci-fi flick, it’s entertaining if you can overlook dumb logic and bad storytelling. As a Star Trek show , it really has no respect for the precedence and vision created before it.
Ok boomer
Well said 👍🏽
Sooo just like EVERY OTHER Star Trek show. I mean, Roddenberry hated all of them after TMP.
@@Shadowkey392 Roddenberry was heavily involved with TNG actually until he got ill and eventually died!
The thing that pissed me off in Nemesis is when they find B-4s pieces the crew puzzle about whether Noonien Soong ever built another Android before Data. I was like “What?! Lore!! 🤦🏻♂️” Lore isn’t mentioned once.
This was a drawn-out mish mash of lots of different sci-fi shows with the exception of Star Trek. Since when in Star Trek is poverty and drug abuse a thing? And, for a man who has saved planet Earth at least three times, the fact he's treated like garbage by pretty much every female he comes into contact with is odd to say the least. Since when does a Star Fleet Admiral tell Picard to "Shut the Fuck up" and why would a vast, competent star-faring civilization like the Romulans need Picard to save them from destruction, and be pissed off at him when it his efforts fail?? And, since when do Romulans sound like they came from County Cork, Ireland?? Since when do we get to watch Borg Children get their eyes ripped out in graphic detail?? Since when were Data and Picard friends?? They were always more mentor/student at a formal level. Since when does a reject from The Lord of the Rings, raised by the Bene Gesserit, bring a goddamn sword to a phaser fight? When did Picard get to know Seven of Nine?? What the fuck happened to Chakotay? When the fuck did she change teams? And... and, why the fuck would the Federation suddenly start trusting synthetics again AFTER they were proven to be every bit as dangerous to organic life as the fucking Romulans said they were??? In short, and to quote Admiral F-Bomb: this show is a fucking mess.
A mish mash science fiction with ZERO science and magic repair tools
"Lord of the Rings reject, raised by Bene Gesserit." I fell off the my bed laughing. What a perfect assessment! The fact that Patrick was in Dune makes that statement even funnier.
The answer to all these questions is 'Alex Kurtzman'.
He's like the Ivan Drago of film and tv. Everything he touches, he destroys.
You won't get any proper Star Trek as long as this hack is involved.
Picard in this show just didn’t feel like TNG Picard to me. Having him tell Data “I love you” just felt so out of character to me-I couldn’t shake the feeling that I was watching a different character altogether. I guess he changed a lot between Nemesis and PIC.
@Rafael Acosta Uh...excuse me? We women ARE strong people and capable of being leaders, but we can do it WITHOUT HATING MEN and being able to work together with them! We DO NOT believe orange man bad (THIS woman voted for orange man!) and we do not believe white man bad either!!
the whole series was a generic, not even cerebral sci-fi show, that rode on the Nostalgia of Trek fans.. nothing more...
If Avery Brooks was in it all would be forgiven.
This is what you call, nonfan fiction.
That's bs, it makes you think and question what is life and what is the point something is synthetic and alive. Really enjoyed thst aspect.
Pretty sure...Trek fans were not the target audience here...
@@Kytori95 Oh please this shit wasn't near as thought provoking or written with any sort of intellectual thought as any of the older shows. Pure GARBAGE!
I am liking the long reviews keep it up 😷✌
"Welcome time spanned soul" Oh the cheeky Soulreaver reference made me smile, love me some Moebius.
You are just the best, man. Love this... especially the thought of a Captain Picard/Firefly crossover!
Sorry, just did not feel like Star Trek. It was a real chore. Loved TNG, Voyager & DS9 but this & Discovery just feel like warm vomit being served in place of fine food. 😔
Even Enterprise for all its flaws feels Star Trek to the core. Discovery has some Star Trek moments but they are few and far between. Picard was just a weak idea that was never developed.
oh for fck sake... every single show or movie from Star Trek universe "doesnt feel like Star Trek"... sci-fi fans are the worst
While in a minority, but I kinda like Discovery, though I do understand what you are saying. So sad...
@@DanielBrongers everybody is like "oh it doesnt have spirit" and im sad that Jeremy is nitpicking this show.... the premise of this show is EXACTLY the old Star Trek....
and if you go watch TNG, plots are nonsense all the time, message is always more important than the plot, why should it bother me now that there are some minor non-sense here and there
@@Zoltan1251 When you're continuing a show, like TNG. When you can't nail the feeling of the show and make a weak capt Picard, well you piss off fans. Continuity matters. Episodes in the show matter. You don't just screw up 7 of 9s relationship with Chakotay and make her some callus bitch. You don't just make Picard a weak willed old man to be constantly yelled at with no spine to stand up for himself. You don't just make Star Fleet Racist and extremely Xenophobic just because you can.
There is so much wrong here to unpack.
1st time watching one of your vids. Had to "like" for the Mobius quote. Well done, well placed. loloololol
My dad, who is a pretty hardcore Trekkie, had an interesting thought about the swearing: In TNG, they talked a lot about how humanity is overcoming its base instincts (ie. cursing, killing, etc.). The cursing is a way of showing how that's beginning to break down now, as an accomplice to the Romulan moles and whatnot.
I've been a fan since season 3 of TNG. I was in a forum based TNG era Trek role play where i became Chief navigator and 2nd officer on a flagship of our fleet. I watched the entire Trek catalog in the lead up to the 50th anniversary. I cosplay 2 different Trek eras and own all the films(including VHS copies of the 1st 10). When it comes to Trek, I know my shit. This season despite it's flaws(some things weren't fleshed out like they could have been) this was the best 1st season of all the series. And much of that was because of the amazing cast this show got. Personal favorite moments were in order Dahj kicking ass, all the scenes with Picard's housekeepers. Picard says engage. Elnor's 1st fight. Seven shows up. Pimp Rios. The reunion of Picard and Hugh. Soji kicks ass. The Rikers. 7 the queen. Any scene with Picard and Data. Ships, lots of Ships. Riker in command. That fucking ending. No I don't hate the cursing or the brutality. I'm stoked for season 2
Someday. You will have sex.
@@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 tell it to my fiance, whom I'm getting into the series. But live long and prosper
iamthewizardwhokocks hi bud 🖖🏻 he has sex nightly 🙃 I’m guessing you don’t have that luxury. But that’s okay 👌🏻 have fun being an internet troll!
Whatever you have to say, I’ve got at least 4 hours of two fat, middle aged men absolutely losing their minds over this.
And those four hours are better than this entire series.
Yaaaaaay its fun bashing the fans who made the franchise worth rebooting in the first place to the talentless hacks who want to use the show as a megaphone rather then to tell a new story
EquestrianAngel:Curt Look, RLM are some of the most self deprecating people not just on the Internet but probably on the entire planet. That’s how they refer to themselves most of the time.
"Redeemer and destroyer... pawn and messiah. Welcome, time-spanned soul..." - I understood that reference!
I just went and binge watched the series... paused this video at 5:15... Im back.. WOW.. I was sniffeling through the first episode and maybe the second can't remember now. But that was AWESOME. Can't wait to see another season.
Hollywood just can’t stop ruining the legacies of beloved sci-fi franchises can they?
hollywood + capitalism. "Brand." "Consumer."
I blame Patrick for taking the money, nobody else.
Don't take it personally. It isn't just Sci-fi franchise legacies that they routinely like to take a dump on. They do that with all franchises and popular movies from the past.
yeah, stop watching the show. Fans like you need to stop living in the past and actually grow up.
Wait until they fucked-up Flash Gordon.
Jeremy should continue his vlogs, I miss them so much.
Agreed!
You just miss gipsy and danger
I never actually minded the exposition. What I caught on to was the fact that they managed to snare the one captain/pilot in the galay who had had previous contact with the synthetic civilisation. Convenient plot reveal devices are convenient - DING! (channelling my inner TVsins there...)
I like how they combined Star Trek: The Next Generation with Voyager which was both great shows of its time!!!!
8:16 I said "ha-NO!" in such a conversational way, like I was genuinely answering a question that it surprised me lol. I'm taking this from another comment but it's too good: "Kutzman and the writers spent their WHOLE lunchbreak scanning through Memory Alpha to do their research for the show"
Just wait till Jeremy watches Tiger King. That’s just indescribable
Watch "Abducted in Plain Sight". So much more WTF w/o all the filler.
Tiger King was great! ... and sanity destroying.
DS9 - Way of the Warrior was my favourite episode from that era - would love to see what is going on in that station during this timeline.
Great points! Inner light references etc. I missed the federation/Romulan ship aesthetics.
Poor Rich and Mike, can't wait to see the next thumbnail of them reviewing these last two episodes. I just think its going to be two goo piles, because their brains melted by the ineptitude of Alex Kurtzman.
Who r rich and Mike?
@@okami1101 Guys from RedletterMedia who review this show as well.
@@okami1101 two old guys who hate everything.
@@Darkness1984 they only hate everything Hollywood has done to old franchises
Pls watch Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood or Avatar the Last Air Bender. They are amazing and def worth watching
I agree with fmab. Love that show. I haven't seen last air bender though.
@@moviemantony7136 I agree with avatar, never seen fmba tho get bored everyone i watch the first episode tbh lol
The Last Airbender show's first season might throw some people off early on. But it very much gets all sorts of great. It's ending is fantastic.
Last Airbender is STUNNING
I'm rewatching Full Metal again now.....so good man. I just got to the part where Shou Tucker is introduced.....sob. So....dark
CBS, his army with fists closed. Picard, when the walls fell.
Hurricane, his face black, his eyes red. Hurricane, his eyes closed.
*Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra*
6:29 The Shadows of the Empire reference with Dash Rendar is the TRUE obscure reference here.
The best part of this video was his Shatner impersonation. Bravo, good sir!
Some of my favorite tng episodes that comes to mind are in no particular order: Data’s Day, Family, Darmok, Deja Q, All Good Things... the greatest finale of all finales. I want to include like 30 more but that would take forever.
Exactly! This show even tho it is only 10 episodes has no memorable episodes that you can just watch and then go on with your day. Any of the older series I can always pick and choose which ones I want cuz I know there is a good story and good character development unlike this GARBAGE FUCKING SHOW! Sorry for yelling just pisses me off that the franchise is handled by retarded people that have no love for the franchise.
@@TheKawagawaga My comment wasn't showing hate towards Picard, but rather responding to Jeremy asking our favorite episodes from tng. While I think Picard has its ups and downs, I think it's very clear the people making the show loved tng. Picard is a serial format as opposed to the more non-sequential episodic tng with some serial elements. If you look back not all of the episodes from tng are home runs. Season one is mainly watchable for how bad it is. Season 2 and 7 have some stinkers too. The second episode of tng is literally about how all the characters are acting out of character. You barely know what they are supposed to be like. Not every episode of Picard was good but I think episodes 1, 6, 7, 8 were and I definitely liked elements of the other episodes. I like the majority of the new characters and I think season two will be much better now that they are established.
Season 2 opening line..."If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them....maybe you can hire The P-Team."
"I love it when a mystery comes together." - Jean Luc Picard
Ngl I fully teared up at the end when it was data's final moments
Rich Evans “Because Alex Kurtzmam”
This was so gold
Alex Kuntzman
11:30 Soul Reaver, took a couple seconds for it to sink in until he said it was a reference heh.
Thanks for this video. I love the La Sirena and the concept of having different holograms to run the ship (they even made the engineer Scottish).
11:30 I love it when you talk about or quote Legacy of Kain.
Love "the inner light", played the song at our wedding and I cry every time I see that episode.
That episode is like "blink" from Dr Who. Can watch stand alone, not effected as much by low budget(so still worth a watch years later) I though"the inner light" was boring when it first aired cause no fights(too young) but cried when rewatched years later.
I’ve been watching your vids consistently for what feels like forever but have never commented heh but man this was a great video, cuz I could feel the actual passion about TNG and the potential legacy of its characters just forcing its way out of you. Heheh I feel like you could do a sixty minute version pretty easily ^_^
The show was entertaining but overall major let down. The way the Federation didn’t want anything to do with the Picard And then in the end they’re like OK you just decide the fate of the universe we don’t even have to stick around to see what happen.
Wow, was not prepared for a Soul Reaver reference. Well done.
Inner Light = best episode ever. The Defector had my favorite moment, though.
Not gonna lie, watching Mike and Rich go from angry to depressed to completely jaded and apathetic was pretty entertaining.
since he mentions mass effect, the whole season had a game vibe imo, like the portal at the end and that tiny repair device that can magically project 100 spaceships without energy issues.
I think summing it up "Theres more I liked than didnt like" is the best way to describe this. Also, "Family" and "Brothers" are two of my favorites.