Phaser vs Chorus vs Flanger: What's The Difference? ft. Tore Mogensen
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- čas přidán 27. 12. 2017
- It can often be difficult to know the difference between Phaser, Chorus, Flanger effects. While visiting TC Electronic I asked Tore to help explain how these modulation effects differ from one another.
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Phaser:
WWWOOOWWWOOOWWWOOO
Flanger:
SHHHWWWEEEEWWWSHHHWWEEEWWWSHH
Chorus: OOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOO
Ajit V. Pai accurate
JARED DINES
phaser: oh yeah yeah yeah oh yeah yeah
flanger: oh yeah yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah yeah
chorus: oh yeah yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah
@@kanetolley unfunny
@@kanetolley stfu
Anybody else think pedals should be named after what they do to sound?
Tremolo - Stutter Box
Vibrato - De-Re-Tuna
Chorus - Multi-player
Phaser - Quack-a-Chew
Flanger - Doppler Wheeze
Wah - StepWhiner
Reverb - Room Filler
Delay - Repeater
Pitch Shifter - Lo-ki Harmoniser
Octaver - Hi-Lo Cloner
Compressor - EatMe/DrinkMe Balancer
EQ - Toneweaver
Overdrive - Brass Throater
Distortion - Howl n' Growler
Fuzz - RoarBot Glitcher
Looper - Friend Simulator
Gongasoso lol the looper
This is hilarious! Haha
Wah-wah-Wah-wah
Lol, I've always wanted to make an onomatopoeia/idiosyncratic pedal: like the volume control is labelled "loud" and goes from no to yes, etc.
Ha.... those are like the names Line 6 uses
Speaking as a psychologist, whose first flanger was purchased in 1977, one of the primary *perceptual* differences between chorus and flanging is what we pay most attention to, as listeners. When the delay time is quite short, what we notice most are the notches and peaks - i.e., the "comb filtering". When the delay time is extended a little more, our attention focuses on the pitch variations, without perceiving it as a delay. With even more delay time added, we would begin to focus more attention on the "dualness" created by the modulated signal (think Pat Metheny here). As well, the delay range covered by chorus, and especially the fact that the shortest delay time achieved is often nearer the middle range of many flangers, results in a glut of notches and peaks at *all* times. In contrast, when flangers are at their shortest delay times, comb filtering may be confined to only the uppermost part of the audio signal, such that downward sweep begins to sound like more of the signal is becoming "infected". And THAT captures our attention, in a way that does not happen with chorus.
Another psychological principle that plays a role here is how MUCH modulation is required in order for the an auditory effect to be audible. You will note that chorus pedals will never sweep as slowly as flangers or phasers. That's because changes in comb filtering can be perceived when they move slowly, but small changes in pitch cannot be. They need to be modulated more quickly to be heard/perceived. Although Uni-Vibes are derived from phasers, because they produce broad shallow "dips", rather than focussed notches, they also don't hold up particularly well when swept very slowly. So you'll find their speed range will generally be comparable to chorus pedals, and never as slow as a flanger or phaser.
One of the factors infrequently discussed with respect to these three effects is the nature of the modulating waveform. Many such modulation pedals use a plain vanilla triangle waveform. That is, the upsweep is as linear as the downsweep; up and down, up and down. But some of the most desirable pedals use other types of waveforms to modulate the signal. For instance, the venerable Boss CE-1 used a different waveform for the vibrato than it does for the chorus. The EHX Electric Mistress historically used a waveform that tended to deccellerate as it swept downward, and accelerated in the upward sweep. The early Small Stone phasers used a similar waveform for slow sweep, and a triangular waveform for the faster mode. When your focus is going to be the location of the notches and peaks, you want a slower tour through the mids and bass than through the upper treble. At faster speeds (needed for chorus) a standard triangle wave is quite adequate.
Many of us are familiar with the idea of potentiometer "taper". That is how much audible change results from rotating a pot X degrees. And many have experienced the outcome of mistakenly installing the "wrong" taper (though correct value). For example, an amp whose volume seems to go from nothing to near full blast between the 7:00 and 9:00 position with little change as you turn up even higher. The need for appropriate taper is a consequence of how our hearing and perception works. Similarly, the manner in which these effects are swept, including the speed, the shape/nature of the sweep, and width or span of the sweep, is a function of the sort of "taper" our hearing requires for these effects to be best enjoyed, and most musically useful.
Man ! You almost wrote a book here ! Lol ! Thanks though !!😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Thank you for the explanations of perception and the info on wave form modulation.
And for those who favour Pithy?
Love it
I was totally about to say that, you beat me to it
Tore looks like Colin put through a Viking machine
And set to 1.5x size
Very very interesting. All I know is what my recording engineer father taught me, and that was the term "Flanger" came from a recording technique where the engineer would drag his thumb along the edge of the reel-to-reel take-up flange causing a subtle warbling upon playback. This could then be re-recorded along with the original clean track, and when properly done it created a perfect "flange" effect. Engineers in those days did much more than simply "ride gain". Thanks for another information packed video. And thanks to Tore too.
Mike Harnett that’s what I’ve always heard
Jesus, that white balance is killing me
It's really brutal
every video should be this and this should be a new meme
brutal white balance == metal
Sunny or not; Scandinavia makes you snow-blind. No escaping that.
On the other hand, he really could be that pale. Scotland isn't known for it's sunny days.
It’s okay to be white.
Don't ever say "you wouldn't use that sound" because at least 25% of the people watching this video just heard the sound they've been looking for and you'll be hearing that sound on half the indie records out this year.
this guy knows his stuff, that's really cool you manage to invite him talk about it in your channel... very nice!
Massive thanks to you two! Subbed.
Years ago, when I first came across phaser & flanger, the way someone told me how a phaser works...it turns out is how a FLANGER works! I've spent years wondering about the flanger, but phaser is the one I didn't understand.
After watching this, (I did have to read up on phaser for more info), but I finally get it now! What I read is that the signal without the moving spikes isn't actually dry. It has an "All pass filter" on it, which moves certain frequencies out of phase. Those frequencies sound normal & dry, until the spikes from the other signal pass over.
Love your videos. I learn so much from them. Thank you.
He said he didn't really know why chorus changed the pitch but then talks about the Doppler effect, well that is why so really he does know lol. The sound wave is being slightly crushed and pulled by the delay. I've heard the same effect when changing the settings on an analog delay pedal. Great video and very informative all around.
It's hard to pull off a rock and roll image and a knowledgeable image simultaneously 😉
#stillcompletelyfuckinggayforcolin
Im gay but not for colin lmao
Zed1967 that's so fucking metal
Very clear explanation!
Great vid, answered a lot of questions.
I found this video very insightful, thank you gentlemen
Love this. Very informative
Take a shot every time tore says "yea"
Well, now I’m curious to hear a phaser without the dry signal.
You can probably emulate that by boosting a frequency on an EQ and then sweeping the peak back and forth (as far as I understood how it works)
Wouldn’t it just sound like a wah pedal?
I understood it to be similar to the way a wah works but with 4 peaks (or 8 or 10) instead of one. Mix that with an LFO rather than an expression pedal and it’s might be pretty cool. Probably similar in functionality to the EHX Blurst but again, with 4 peaks. Worth a try. Speaking of wah, though, I wonder what a wah would sound like blended with an unaltered signal in parallel...
A phaser without dry signal will sound just like the dry signal. The wet signal gies through a so-called all-pass filter. A filter that only changes phase. And you can't hear the phase. Until you mix it with the dry signal!
@@driesvanoosten4417 all filter pass filters frequencies nothing to do with phase
phaser mix dry signal with inverse phase signal, through all pass filters; the LFO acts differently depending on the frequency range
This helped me understand the differences between the 3 rather than just going ‘yeah, well this ones is more of a zzzzzwwwoooosh, where as that one is more of a woooaaaaaawwooooaaaawooooaaaaww’
Keep up the good work dude
but it's not the real thing, youre mistaken
another awesome video :)
great vid....big help...
thanks man!
This stuff is very useful for music producers.
With the flanger, the wet signal when the delay modulates you speed it up and slow it down, Changing the pitch
Isn't that the vsauce shirt from one of the curiosity boxes?
I finally understood what a Phaser does...After years of confusion. Thank you ahahah
Thank you..
#PedalJesus
Super useful to help set these warbly wonders straight in my mind! Both of you guys have a lot of material that has been really helpful at explaining the technical workings of effects--it is much appreciated! Cheers!
ambulance effect is a Doppler effect technicaly - a Doppler pedal lol
That sound at 15:09 reminded me of a slide whistle, especially if you use a drinking glass and a straw to make that sound.
Interesting stuff :)
Great explanation! I think I finally understand the difference! The only thing I'm missing is an explanation of the terms "thru zero", "+ zero" and "- zero"... this video gave me an idea, but I really want to know if I'm right!
but these are wrong explanations, not entirely wrong but that's enough
TZF through zero flange can be achieved by delaying the dry signal so the wet signal comes before and made a dramatic sound
tc electronic makes some really nice pedals, i have a one of those vortex flangers and its a really nice pedal, i would recommend these pedals to anyone.
I have built in phase on my Peavey Heritage and set at a low level with a fair amount of repeat doing string slides sounds like someone's muffled voice in another room. Muted and unintelligible, but it actually sounds really cool!
When I hear a guy with a Scottish accent talking about a phaser I'm thinking more of Star Trek.
But how does this help me to be "haired"??
Just kidding lol keep making videos dude they are fucking awesome
Very informative, same hairdresser 🤘
Really cool video! Could you also explain the difference between chorus and detune? Thanks!
Hermel J. Chorus modulates the delayed signal to continually alter the pitch back and forth whereas a Detune has no modulation. It alters the pitch of your delayed signal by a small amount and leaves it.
I wanna hear all of them all the way up at the same time with ALL THE GAIN!!
After who have played in a rock band in the 80s I almost never use any of those. I love tremolo.
This guy looks like Chad Channing
Would the change in pitch, be do perhaps, to a feedback type of effect?
So I have a question does a phase shifter. Actually shift your signal in and out of phase
A good post would be how to replicate a 'vibe' sound using your existing pedals - e.g. how not spending in excess of 200 spondoolies on a dedicated vibe pedal. Personally, I have experimented with a chorus and tremolo pedal, But my favourite thus far was using the chorus with a flanger.
Fuck... This cam quality is delicious
What do you think about the dreamscape pedal?
I guess that with a little bit of tweeking you can get five effects out of a delay: delay, chorus, vibrato, flanger and flanger without The dry signal.
What kind of guitar is that with the Strat looking headstock?
How are you liking that power supply?
I have a T-Rex Fuel Tank Junior. It is excellent. My only gripe is that the connectors are not perfect 90 degree right angles; they're slightly angled and it can make things awkward, depending on your setup.
I need that Tele-Paul
This looks like an early 90's school video. WORDS. AND. PICTURES.
Woah, what kind of guitar is that? Looks amazing!
KnapfordMaster98 probably one he made
But where is the 4th version of chorus/flanger/phaser??? The Uni Vibe! Why no univibe?
The upside down sticker on the laptop bothers me more then it should....
F’in Doppler effect caused me to get a speeding ticket before I even passed the policeman
*Yeah*
Is the focus broken on your camera?
Well, if you want to watch a video with two guys moving their heads and hands around, then, THIS VIDEO IS FOR YOU ! ! !
As for me, I would have preferred if they had at least added a Sound Track to hear what they were saying, oh, and WHAT THE PEDALS sounded like !
But, that's just me !
If you try watching the video, you'll hear what the pedals sound like. Though I do like this idea of leaving scathing reviews of videos without watching them!
And the stereo output... What does that do...???
The lighting is really off
Colour grading, rather...
Yeah I give it a C-
Should have played some Van Halen to demonstrate!
And if you are delaying a signal by a modulated amount but still playing the whole thing back you have to speed up and slow down the wet signal, which is exactly what a pitch shift is anyway.
Well, the old saying is true. You don't have to see how the sausages are made.
That was good, but I think you could still have other interviews on this subject. The subject seemed far from finished.
So if I turn the feedback off on the flanger it’s chorus?
Yes, that's correct
A celt and a dan both speaking to each other in a language not their first about electronics and wave forms. Something feels odd here. But I like it.
Ok, better discussion. I’m still fuzzy, but my understanding is a bit better. I wish he would have stayed with the ambulance discussion to provide a common basis for everything. But thanks, I’m a little clearer...but still looking...
So the phaser is a cousin of the wah, while the other two are cousins of the delay. Interesting.
I love the Danish.
Flaaaanja meets Hair a sound!
De armond tornado!
Damn nigga in purple god damn , u still have yo job frfr
anyone else using Serum and watching this for some clarity?
After watching this I'm even more confused about which one I should get.
RealGamerManz It depends on what you play and how you intend to use it. I like phaser for funky rhythm or before Overdrive for those VH-inspired tones. Chorus is perfect for clean single note-runs, big chordal patterns and giant leads when placed after Overdrive. Flanger will get you in the chorus territory for similar applications but also can do that big jet swoosh and tape flanging (at least some of them can). Tape flange can sometimes get sort of close to a phaser-ish tone so my vote would be for the Flanger. I have the TC Vortex and will probably keep it forever. It’s awesome!
Chris Caccamise
Cool thanks dude. I was thinking I should probably get the flanger or chorus. I like Mastodon's sound. They have really heavy riffs but some vintage sounding sections with cool effects on them like this. That's kind of what I'm going for.
The Hound!
Eros Ramazotti?
so ironic how quiet this video is
Maybe I'm showing my age but I like flangers.
I don't think the chorus' 'shimmering' effect is due the delay changing back and forth. I am pretty sure it's due to signal beating en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_(acoustics) . The result of adding the wet and dry signal back together. Constructive and destructive interference of the wave's peaks and troughs.
You can think whatever you like, but you're wrong. The guy who builds pedals for a living, surprisingly, has explained how Chorus pedals work properly. Incidentally, what he has explained is very similar to what you're saying. It's the combination of the wet and dry signal that makes the effect, but it's the changing delay times that makes the shimmer. Otherwise you wouldn't get modulation.
That's not true, you can have a constant phase shift that causes signal beating.
He reminds me of sir Sandor Clegane. Anyone?
I can't hear it
Wait are you a Scot or a Dane?
Tjarda Rosendaal Colin is a scot and Tore is a Dane!
Waiting for Tore to breakout with a claymore!
Colin looks like a young Steve Morse.
watching this... then a certain kind of point " eros ramazzotti" ...wtf 😂 funny part is that I m from Italy
Left guy put his hair on the left side, right guy put his hair on the right side. Now they can morph together.😎
Holy shit the Scot is 3 feet tall.
Wayne's World, party time, excellent!
Their hair lines mirror each other. ...
Man....whats up with this guys hair line?
I was wondering the same thing.
to be fair, Colin has the same thing going on it's just less noticeable. It's nice to see people with similar hair not giving a shit and just doing what they want, as you don't have many styling options with that kind of hairline
I say if you have a widow's peak, just embrace it. It's pretty cool, actually
I thought he was going for the look of The Hound from GoT...
Pedal Jesus!
The difference is...
They both need more gain...
N less mids...
Seth MacFarlane grew a beard and long hair, and now teaches about modulation FX
AND ROTARY???
Rotary is a type of speaker. If the effect is digital, it's emulating the sound of a rotary speaker. In a normal speaker, the speaker cones inside the cabinet are always facing forwards. (You often have a few different sized cones, so a wider range of frequencies are emphasized).
In a rotary speaker, the cones rotate round & round, like they're on turntables. The sound changes constantly. When a cone is facing forwards, the sound comes out directly. When a cone is facing backwards, the sound rebounds off of the back of the cabinet & you hear a more muffled version. All the different rotation positions give you a slightly different version of the sound.
When the rotary effect changes between slow & fast, the rotating of the speaker cones is speeding up or slowing down.
@@EarlOfMaladyCrescent oh my god!! I didn't know that. Thank you sooooo much for the explanation
@@pedrorocha423 Cool. Glad I could help. :-)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda like Meshuggah’s guitar tech.
more gaaaaiiiiinnnn... .
TC electronics that doesn't help repair shops with schematics. Don't buy their stuff you won't be able to repair it.
Low volume.
some mistakes talking about the differences beetwin all those gears
Please inform us all of the mistakes. It will be useful to learn.
Nigga in the purple look like McCauley Culkins heroin days