Zeiss Paved The Way, But Companies Didn't Learn (Planar vs Modern)
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Zeiss made the best lenses for many years, they got bored of it they were so good. Modern glass is not the same. They focus on obtaining the sharpest brick wall pictures corner to corner, because that's what you hobo photographers test in your review videos. Meanwhile, real glass has character. Let's do a Q&A comparing my new Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4 to some other legendary vintage lenses like my Canon EF 85mm f1.2 mark i, and flat garbage like the Nikkor Z 85mm f1.2 S and 85mm f1.8G lens.
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This channel’s real purpose is to make us laugh and you do 😂 the crappier the gear the funnier to video
Man, he shat all over the BMPCC 4K and that IS NOT crappy! He just bought a bad second hand one. I did sell mine though
Sometimes the so called crappier gear brings out better result.
This channel will last 4ever, no perfect camera/lens will ever exist
That Canon lens definitely had the pop.
Compared to the zeiss? You really saw it that way? I’m on team CamCon on this one, the zeiss was “deeper” to my eyes, and as an owner of Sony, Canon, and Zeiss gear, there is definitely a Zeiss pop.
I shoot zooms out of necessity most of the time professionally, but I always know it’s going to be easier to edit when I can use a Zeiss, moreso than other primes I own as well. Maybe it’s all psychological, I’m a skeptic at heart, but I don’t think so based on experience.
The 85G is so advanced, it put the cyclist in focus before he was even there
it was actually the retro ZF body.....it's from the 70s and it has seen all of time from then up until now, so it knew the cyclist was coming before any of us did.
Nothing like Blurryfilm system to predict Focus, no Sony or Nikon or Canon.
Enjoyed the very Canadian interactions of the surprise guests
No better way to start the week than with a video from this channel🙌🏽
Can have a really crap day casey always lifts me
I had a Zeiss Planar 160mm f3.8 Seris 1a. The first Zeiss Planar ever made, it was made in 1895. That had so much character, much more than your modern Planars.
So now that Kasey has opened my eyes to the fact that photographers are exactly like Agent Smith from "The Matrix", what do we do? They're everywhere and they look just like regular people, and these camera companies keep enabling them. He's alone in exposing this darkest of all conspiracies. He's Neo.
Zeiss ftw. Those vp shots at the end were flippin magic
The Canon wins, hands down, on the main shot imo. But the pop jumps out of the Zeiss on one or two of your Vegetable Police shots there at the end.
You should definitely get these ones: Zeiss Classic 15mm f2.8/25mm f2/50mm f2/135mm f2
You will get the 3D pop + smooth, lovely highlights roll-off and better colors! 100% worth it 👌🏻
35 f2
my best 3 lenses, zeiss 15 / 25 and 100. I went to sony and really cry about the sony and camera lenses... canon RF cheap lenses seems sony too. But nowadays sharpness and lightness rules.
@@charliobrown3960 it's the same for every camera system...unfortunately
@@giannagiavelli5098the 35mm f2 is not as remarkable as the ones I've mentioned
I’ll have to check out the 50mm f2. I absolutely love the 25mm f2, 35mm f1.4, and 85mm f1.4, but my 50mm f1.4 feels pretty bland in comparison and also has significantly worse CA
I have the 35 f2 distagon, 50 1.4 Planar, and the 85 1.4 Planar ZE. The 85 Planar is just the greatest lens ever!
This is my new favorite channel BTW. It's outstanding!
It’s still a dream of mine to move into Kasey’s junior one bedroom apartment, sleep in his desk chair and then when he wakes up I’ll also get up and then watch him live as he makes and edits videos👍🏽👍🏽
I love Ziess glass. I know I’m partial but I choose Zeiss almost every time. I’ll go now.
I have the Zeiss planar 85 1.4 as well and it’s a pretty spectacular lens, and can be had relatively cheap today
Nikkor 85mm g - don’t see pop. I think older AF could have it. Like 35-70 or something..
Zeiss is POPPING. More than canon I think
Love that this channel doubles as a scooter tour of Toronto
I might be able to see what you call 3D-Pop. The Zeiss gives a slight 'halo' (extending about an inch including fall off) around your body whereas the Nikon 1.2 is absolutely clean (no halo) in transition between your body and the background. So, it looks more clinical. The 'halo' I see around your body with the Zeiss is especially noticeable when you move around a bit. Interesting. Edit - the Nikon G has some haloing but is harder to notice because it's lower contrast overall (not softer just lower contrast)
You don`t get it. 3Dpop is just there or it isn`t. It cannot be determined by some clearly observable facts. It`s an illusion a magic trick, but real.
The halo is a property of Casey himself, not the lens - it’s earth energy escaping after all that grounding
@@Barriebazza Well, that explains it! Lol!
I only understand half of what you’re saying half the time of my watch time but I totally enjoy half of your vlog half as well as you deserve. 👍 my head hurts.
Go full German: put socks with your sandals 👍
Zeiss was invented by a German gentleman who also had socks and sandals while he was crafting his new lens.
Yellow shirts generally have less 3D pop than red shirts, especially on green backgrounds.
The leading lines also give the impression of depth, so the comparison is not great. I am not sure about 3D pop between them, but the smoothness of the blur on the Nikon is much nicer imo
im not carnivore and dont own any cameras - ive never bought one. i found you back in the day when you were vegan and watched you ever since 😂 i watch most of your vids on both channels. you're right i don't really care about the camera stuff. i just watch you because you are interesting, funny, relaxing. i wonder if im in the minority.
As a gear hobo I'm so glad I found this channel recently 😂😂
Some run to the light. Others, run to the toneh.
I surely can see 3D pop even from my mere Toneh/2.4, 85mm Zeiss Loxia, so I can say Zeiss 3D pop is definitely a REAL thing!
It's a different thing from background blur, or separation, like you told us.
...Even it's iris ring (or only just copy of mine) has some weird-behaving points.. can cope with that.
It separates, but renders image differently.
Colour tone characteristics, high contrast, star-bursts (10 bladed iris), low-profile lens hood, just right amount of focus ring travel, sealed mount base (might not be weather sealed thoroughly), generous filter thread diameter...
Beautiful lens
Fujifilm's Reala Ace addition is great, so far only a little bit of testing, but I love green & blue landscape SOOC photos it produced. Hope, Fuji will catch up with autofocus, as I'm shooting also people, and dogs, cats and birds. Or, that Panasonic would release successor to Lumix GX9 with PDAF. But, it would be a hard decision about switching back to MFT.
Nah, Fuji and Focus are antonym words, im not expecting anything from them...
@@jcar4522 well, I had previously purchased X-T4, that I returned due to autofocus limitations (I didn't do good research before purchase, my bad). I bough X-S20 with X-Processor 5 and autofocus is much better. Not perfect, but usable. So, it's getting better, but slowly. Panasonic abandoned GX line, that I liked, and there wasn't single camera with PDAF, but subject tracking on GX85 was great, didn't lose subject almost never. But, without PDAF it often missed depth/distance of focus, even though subject was tracked and not lost. Olympus's tracking is unusable, and they put animal detect only to their flagship OM-1 camera. I don't like these big lines in Panasonic and Olympus. But, looks like none of them properly support small lines of cameras. Fuji is only manufacturer, that focuses on APS-C exclusively, and not as a bridge / lower segment to eventually upgrade to Full Frame tier of their cameras like Canon and Nikon does. So, I hope Fujifilm catches up with autofocus.
I enjoy my Zeiss lenses for almost all their perfections/imperfections, I’ll leave the 3D pop debate for you to deliberate on 😊, I’ll go with my personal feelings and I like what I get from Zeiss. Been entertained, keep going, shout out from BC. Take care.
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I think you've sold me on the 3d pop
The Nikon 85mm G is a nocturnal lens, it's tuned to shoot at night, the Zeiss planar is actually not meant for scenery or landscape perse , but it can handle it quite well. I would mention the same as Yannick use the G for night shooting and the planar for daytime.
7:14'One channel for health thoughts, another for complains' - excellent mind balance
I think the Canon cripple hammer passed over you at 7:41! Close call! 😬
Also: 85mm and those compositions is spectacular, the cinema is yours. Makes me miss even my cheap Samyang 85...
Love that Reala Ace tho 😂
Omg I see the pop!, your are not crazy! 14:47
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I like people getting in the shots
I’m a musician and photographer, both industries chock full of snake oil and misguided pixel/wave peepers, and I’m a skeptic at heart. The zeiss pop is real.
My take is it’s perfect imperfection, actually a micro softness or blur, perhaps a micro muting of dynamic range (similar to compression in audio) that ties all the elements in the image together, as opposed to most sharpness monsters that present things in layers. Similar phenomenon: It’s the smoothness and lack of dynamic range that creates more depth and engagement of the whole frame in golden hour light vs mid day light even on the same lens. Are these deltas measurable? I assume yes, I’m just not aware how or care that much :) .
How could “muting dynamic range” be a thing? Ever hear of hi con and low con filters when printing photos / Using color filters to gain or lose contrast in B&W? These concepts can apply to colors your retina responds to as well. Is it not feasible that companies that have worked on optics for nearly 2 centuries might have some tricks up their sleeves in design, glass formulation, coatings, etc that have subtle yet real impact on their results? I think it’s possible, could be wrong, and most importantly, I don’t care, I know what I like ;) .
Edit to add to already too long comment: I found an analogy i think fits. Is the Precision Bass the only bass instrument that should be used in pop/rock music? Of course not. But is there any other bass design that’s easier to mix in pop/rock music? Also, of course not.
Firstly love your work, prefer the canon (thinking about a purchase due to your vids) but I appreciate the Zeiss. I’ve been using a Helios 44m 58mm f2, would love to see what you thought about that lens and 3d pop. I’ve adapted it for a canon R6 and haven’t taken it off. Please if you’re able to get one can you do a review? (got mine £45 eBay)
Do you think 3d pop is more due to the number of elements or the type of elements?
This is hilarious! What are your camera settings? Are you shooting in RAW or JPEG with picture control? It's hard to get the jest! I love watching your videos-they're pure comic gold. I haven't found the perfect camera myself, but I get a good pop out of a Nikon 70-200mm zoom lens, even with higher ISO. I also use warm colors on the subject and cooler tones for the background. Many birders do that, like Steve Perry.
By the way, are you controlling the scene while your face is in shadow? Is this beyond the camera's dynamic range and settings? There are so many variables to consider to get the max out of your equipment. The old cliché holds true: the equipment is only as good as its operator. Keep up the great work on your channel. Peace out.
Sony RX10 are fantastic bridge cameras! They need an update though with a flippy screen and better low light!
"...go to sleep, 'cause you'e drunk....." Classic
The poppiness reminds me of an IRL version of the visual style in “What Dreams May Come”.
I shot a Sony ,Canon and Nikon and they all aren't perfect focusing. I find that it always comes down to the shooter. The biggest pop I got out of a camera was a 8x10 viewfinder camera with Kodachrome, Fujichrome or b&w film in the 1980s, but I'm not sure anybody want's to wait to get married for pop. Try a Deardorff 8x10 Field Camera
can you reccomend a lens for the A6700 that gives the same look as this video from you:
Fuji vs Full Frame? Cheaper Lenses Outperforming Expensive Ones?! Nikon vs Canon!
Just a quick Q: are your video titles related to the content, or just part of your filing system. I watched this video and had difficulties finding the stuff related to Zeiss. I might have missed it, but feel this is happening in other videos of yours too.
It's a Q&A show, impossible to title these. We're also comparing the different lenses for each question.
You channelling old angry photog here lol.
Anyone know what scooter that is?
20:50 Nikon 85mm f1.2 version has POP, Kasey. Also it has Rock and some Ambient ))
The Sony RX10 II does 960 to 1000 frames a second slow mo... I have always thought about getting one of those just for doing extreme slow mo shots.
It's not a perfect camera for doing modern CZcams but would be good just for gimmky shots and not too expensive.
What are your thoughts on this one?
I guess the new ones have that also, thanks google search for not being updated... they have a zeiss lens even if it's stock and only stock
Zeiss is best!
Tommy thompson lighthouse. I was there last year. It was a long ass walk, lol
That's why you scooter there :)
@@cameraconspiracies
How do you feel connected to Jesus if you do not walk there, barefoot?
If you have a Canon EF camera body, stop the lens down to the aperature you want, press the DOF Preview button and remove the lens from the body. The lens should remain at that aperature when you adapt the lens to the Sony body.
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Wouldn‘t be A-Mount Zeiss glass something interesting for you? E.g., Sony-Zeiss 85mm 1.4 with only 8 elements. Combined with an LA-EA5 adapter you get full autofocus functionality on top of that.
7:41 lol what was that huge shadow?
Do you like your pocket3? I’m making videos with the iPhone and love it, oh Master Bare feet connected antelope boy.
The stabe at 16:30 is next-level
Love my zeiss 25mm distagon
Hi, I would use the Voigty 58 more often for those videos. It is actually my preferred portrait lens. Those 85s cause too much compression and the whole thing looks contrived. By the way, to my eyes the Canon has more pop than the Zeiss.
I thought the same thing, Canon pops more. Makes me want a nice Canon camera :)
@@cameraconspiracies
Canon 1Dc, come on man you can at least try it ONCE!
18:30 A polite Canadian, I never thought I would see the day…?
This is more 3D than real life.
There is another secret Zeiss lens that I might share after I buy one I finally found on flea bay 😂
Hey!
I thought the canon was better than the zeiss regarding the pop. But I’m just a useless photographer aspiring to be an incredible videographer one day
Where is Your bike? Scooter? You walk all the way there? Is that bridge open finally? Good video
I did warn you about that Zeiss 85mm
I’d love to see a bling test under controlled situation to see if your viewers agree on this 3D pop thing.
composition, lighting and slow mo are all that really matter. No one notinces "3D pop". The 85G looked like it had more than the Zeiss anyway.
I only get moon power, it is when I sparkle.
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@@cameraconspiracies Ok! Will try it an thanks love your channel. And please try other vintage lenses for for the 3D pop.
Fujifilm listens to fans, they have the best Autofocus Simulation in the market
You missed the OG Nikon N lens the 85mm AF-S 1.4 , that’s the horses ……
Man, all your shots with the Nikon 85mm f/1.2 Z are amazing. Clearly the best 85mm lens you have. The G lens sucks
You should probably look up F-Stops Here and do some 75 1.8 Videography, I don't think you understand the usages for these primes, either their for work, low light, fashion, or nifty primes
I totally get the 2-channel struggle. People subscribe to this channel for me, I think, so I do motovlogs, gear, product reviews, whatever. The 2nd channel is all about editing. Good times.
Both the cannon and ziess lenses. Are close in producing the 3D effect.
EF L lenses are legendary, I didn't realize they were Zeiss level.
@@cameraconspiracies now that nikon owns red, do you think they'll start making cinema grade lenses w more pop? so, i'm still trying to learn how to discern the visual pop between the voitlanders and, say, pro grade nikon lenses, for example. it could be that YT compression makes it harder and if i were watching source video files side by side, it would be more obvious to me. so, here's my question: it seems like pop, in general, is found in the 20mm to 85mm focal range...but what if you're focusing on wildlife and are always in the 300mm to 600mm range? is pop not a necessary thing in that scenario? is it something that even exists on long telephoto glass?
@@cameraconspiraciesI'm telling you man. Try the old ef 200 2.8 prime.
@@nicedward7544F2, it's unicorns
@@mikecanzoneri2725 Nikon would have made cine glass a long time ago because lens making has always been inhouse, if they haven’t made one now, they probably never would.
Has it occurred to some folks that maybe it's not that some audio or visual difference is imaginary / placebo, but that not all of us have same senses. If one can't tell the difference is a good thing one can save $$$. Be happy for yourself but leave others alone :)
In the Zf, with subject detection off, the face eye tracking doesn't work whatever settings you may have. Its not detecting any face thats why its not focusing properly. Its just looking for bright contrasty areas favouring vertical lines.
I think the 3D pop you mentioning doesn't exist, if it existed it can be measured between all lenses. What you are referring to is Micro-contrast vs Flat look, which can mostly be achieved in post. Your face looks much darker in the Canon 1.2 whereas in the Nikon 1.8 its much brighter and goes for a balanced flat look overall.
I have used the Sony A7iv+200-600mm f6.3 & A7R4+Tamron 70-180 f2.8 side by side with Nikon Z8+70-200 f2.8. I don't see any difference in Autofocus for animals atleast, even tested with the A1.
Nikon Z8 was better in birds after the 2.0 update & also the Auto Area AF. And Sony has that yellow cast over photos which takes around 15-20mins only to fix that in post. The Z8 with the blackout free viewfinder was a brand-switching feature at that price.
At this current point, there's no difference in Canon, Sony & Nikon. You must make decisions based on lenses you want & prices you can afford for specific features.
Now happily own two Z8 plus the 500mm F4 FL & Z 70-200 f2.8. Sold all sony gear.
Decision based on long lens stabilisation, Nikon miles ahead of Sony (Not the same for vloging lens, basically its the opposite). The blackout free viewfinder. The availability of a super sharp good condition used Big Prime, the 500mm F4 for around 3700$.
I didn't say subject detection was off. There's a setting that says AF when subject not detected. When that is turned on, it has a very hard time acquiring subject so I turned that off. Of course human eye detection was turned on for this video.
@@cameraconspiracies I keep that always turned on, with the Z8. It uses the legacy autofocus method when the subject is not detected, works great for wildlife. In the Z8, you can also track subjects with subjects detection off with 3d Tracking like in Sony but that option is also not available in Zf.
You should also set the Af sensitivity to the absolute least amount on the Nikons for staying on the subject all the time even if something comes in front.
And if you can, compare the video stability on the Zf or Z6iii with 180-600mm & A7Iv or A7Siii with the 200-600mm. Do it in both normal and sports mode. You have to feel the difference at least once without any post stabilisation.
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I'm surprised you haven't jumped on the newest camera conspiracy with nikon discontinuing the p1000 and then getting a contract with NASA. Look into it
It seems to be wrong exposure when aperture go 5,6, especially leaves become terrible almost clipping, both lenses.5:07 12:17 . Or maybe blurring make clipped parts less annoying.
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It could be fun and probably amazing out of focus image😂😂😂And great 3D POP
Great to see another outdoor episode 😉 12:04 it looks like Fuj isn´t the only brand with some AF issues - whats up with the Nikons - i watched some of Jared P videos of the Z6III and he also hat some hunting/pumping af in photos and videos and he also mention that the Z8 and 9 have some simliar issues - so what´s up with the AF algorythm?!
They aren't there yet.
Yeah this proves to me get the milvus set for cinema and not the Nikon z 1.2 lenses, money saved
Casey c'mon man all this 3d pop talk is making me hungry for you point of view on the 50mm f1 on the fuuuuj, cmon man... cmon....... you know you want to :)
Never saw a 5cm DOF before.
Panning Tartaria 17:14 and the fake AF electric vehicles is great.
Kasey is gentle with the ladies
There are some who feel walking barefoot on the ground beneficially discharges the body, reducing free radicals in the body, among other things.
Now, on the 3d pop thing, most people do not have lenses that have/show it, so they don't have an idea of what it is. Your effort to show it in your videos and let people know what lenses will produce it is commendable. Bokeh, sorry, Toneh, is not character.
19:09 Zeiss looks brighter at F/5.6 compared to Sony at F/5.6
You were in focus walking back until you turned around... do cameras have mental illness issues? lol
Some people are color blind, I must be "3D pop" blind, because I don't see it 😮
Is that a lighthouse behind you?
The Sony mirroless conspiracy started it all with complex lenses needed to make the cameras smaller. Shorter distance between lens and sensor. Small bodies=bigger lenses with more elements. It's physics . Video also uses flat raw profiles to color grade the videos. Hollywood used this technique when they shot their scenes with filters and lenses. Sony destroyed DSLR and the vintage lenses. This is why Nikon resisted changing the F mount.
Too bad there's no way to adapt a Zeiss lens to Canon. Would like to give one a try.
Zeiss makes all kinds of EF mount lenses. This very 85mm f1.4 comes in EF mount, I just went with the Nikon instead.
Batis 85 has nice 3D pop
Batis is poop