Noctigon Throwers Compared! [KR1 vs DM11 vs K1]
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Noctigon throwers are available in a wide variety of different options, all of which are great - but which is the best for you?
This video breaks down and compares the three main Noctigon throwers currently available: The KR1, DM11, and K1. This video covers build and design, output, and throw numbers, while discussing the various different LED options and their pros/cons.
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I was not paid to make this video. The KR1 and K1 (and the shirts!) were sent to me free of charge by Jackson Lee for purposes of review. The green DM11 was sent to me by Hank Wang of Noctigon, while the other two DM11's were purchased with revenue generated by this channel. All measurements and opinions are my own.
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TIMESTAMPS:
INTRO: 00:00
Overview/Comparison: 00:20
Performance (Output + Runtimes): 02:33
Drivers: 03:56
Throw Numbers: 04:18
LED options: 05:45
Best KR1 LEDS: 07:05
Best DM11 LEDS: 07:32
Best K1 LEDS: 07:54
Nichia B35AM: 08:34
Luminus SBT90.2: 08:55
MY OPINIONS - What Should You Buy?: 09:40
OUTRO: 11:25
Music used in this video:
"Smokey Eye" - Cheel
"Ether" - Bobby Renz
"Landing" - Public Memory
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Camera: BMPCC4K
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Lenses:
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Auto-Vivitar 35mm f/2.8
Auto Tele-Lentar 135mm f/2.8
Edited in Davinci Resolve Studio 17.4 - Věda a technologie
![DOUBLE TROUBLE [Noctigon DM1.12]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vuFHHFaSGLw/mqdefault.jpg)
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A couple notes:
- This is not a fully comprehensive review of every configuration, just a general comparison of the three lights and a breakdown of the most interesting options available.
- The importance of CC vs Boost drivers isn't covered much, while I think the boost driver is great, for these single-emitter lights LED choice is first priority.
- The Wurkkos TS30S is seen briefly in this video, originally I dicussed it more but cut that out. It is an excellent 21700 Anduril thrower that fits right in between the DM11 and K1, and has an SBT90.2 for just $70. If you want this LED, the TS30S is my top recommendation.
- Alternatively, the Emisar D4SV2 with Osram CSLPM1 (W2) LEDs is another option worth considering. Brighter than the SBT90, similar or better color, and throwy beam which is still great for general use. I recommend this over the SBT90 in either the KR1 or the DM11
- Ultimately I'm just some guy on the internet, buy whatever the heck you want
For some guy on the internet I trust your opinion and whenever possible I don't like to over think when so many options are available so I will purchase whatever you suggest keep up the great vids
Wow, I never considered quad W2's. I love my D4SV2 with its high cri sst20 4000k but a throw version would be awesome. If the DM11 could use D4SV2's 26650 tube and battery, it would be killer.
bruh the cinematography of this video is insane. that led sequence is phenomenal my dude
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
K1 with W2 is such a fun light and always gets the wow factor from family members. "Wow that's impressive" and/or "Wow why do you need that?". Wow is a wow though 😅
The lumintop GT Nano in Brass absolutely blew my mind TBH. I've had a few pen lights with 10180 batteries before and the most they could put out was roughly 130lm inside the pen designs. It's crazy how a battery the size of my pinky nail can pump out 450 lumens of quality light and actually manage to throw it far as hell considering the flashlight is slightly smaller than my thumb ffs lmao! I have the 10440 adapter too for the little guy. It just seems like a no brainer for me to snag it as it'll end up becoming much more practical in the 10440 config when the longer run times are needed/preferred.
I'd love to work on buying the brass config of the 14500 lumintop GT right after this Hank light I had decided to buy first and foremost. Then the 18500/18350 sized lumintop GT in the copper config would be awesome to get eventually. I think a vintage style patina on the full sized copper version would be badass.
I'd like to get the similarly sized 10180 lumintop frog light down the road as well along with it's adaptions but that's no rush though it's rated for 570 lumens! It would be nice to see how it performs compared to the GT Nano in throw and brightness.
"Wow why do you need that?" Lol I stopped needing "that many" so many purchases ago! 😅😬😵 But whenever I see a design that's new to me that I really like. I'll pop it into the watchlist or cart and watch it for a while and try to catch it on a sale. Or I'll buy it then and there if the price is right and I like the design enough but typically that only happens with cheaper purchases that ship from China etc.
hey man, i hope you know how much your videos bring to this community! no one is doing videos like this and i appreciate all the effort you put into these videos, truly means a lot more than you know! keep on keepin' on!
I dig the USB C in the threads... I don't typically rely on the flashlight charger and sometimes they can be rather ugly or you lose the rubber stopper etc. Having it smack dab in the middle of the threading is nice especially since I don't unscrew that section much and sometimes you don't have a proper charger near by.
Awesome job LuxWad I have the DM11 with a W2 green led I absolutely love it looking forward to the DM1.12 review
I’m liking the KR1 (4000k 719a) for edc. I can run the emitter at way lower brightness, while still getting the distance I want, letting me preserve night vision well too.
I haven't tried the 719a, it looks really cool though!
What an awesome review! Really enjoyed it!
So glad I found your channel. Your content is as of a youtuber with several hundred thousand subs, keep it up!
Macro shots: 10/10
Nightshots: 10/10
Voice over: 10/10
Editing: 9.5/10(never can be perfect ;P)
You are helping a lot of people make tough decisions on purchases that are going to be used every day in some cases, a timeless resource!
@@aimcorp6563 Glad you enjoyed it!
Looking forward to the DM11 review
Nice as always
Would love to see a video from you on 660nm sst20 lights, especially a dual channel d4v2 :) keep up the great work!
That would be fun! Eventually I'd like to do a video on red emitters :)
У вас дуже гарна картинка, а ліхтарики взагалі неперевершені. Чекаю більше відео про ліхтарики Хенка] зробіть, будь ласка, відео про high CRI throwers до 5000k.
Дякую)
Dude… I really hope you get some sort of reward for your time. This is great !
I really like the KR1 with the W2, it seems to throw about the same as a Convoy C8 with the W1 but with a wider beam. The D4v2 with the W2 is my goto though.
Wow!
I want a Noctigon T-shirt too!))
Dito
Waiting on my kr1 in dark grey.first hank light can't wait it's in Holland now hopefully here by Monday could only get am efest battery tho locally
Damn, I love your reviews, can you review some convoy throwers? 👀
Thanks! I do plan to review Convoys, but it's going to be a while. I'm probably going to get through all of the Emisar/Noctigon stuff first
@@LuxWad 💖💖
I just ordered the 3 throwers from Hank based on this video. I paired the K1 with the SBT90.2, since this is the only body that would make sense for this LED. I needed a light with the Osram, but the KR1 was too tiny, so I figure the SFT-40 was a better option here. And the DM11 was left with the W1/W2 option for best throwing LED. IMHO, if anyone was going to order any one or combination of these 3 throwers, it's only a choice between the Osram (W1/2), the SBT90.2 or the SFT-40 for LED. Even though it's great that the option is there, It's a headscratcher why anyone would prioritize high CRI or tint in a thrower.
Just from your footage I would choose the DM11 w/XHP35hi
Have a coffee on me. The KR1 was on sale last night $15 off so I grabbed one. Thanks!
DM11 review please! The xhp one looks like a good balance of flood and throw. I want to see if it can be that ONE light I bring outdoors.
It's coming! I think the XHP35 makes a strong case for being the one outdoor use light you need
Decision paralysis!
I thought the sft40 was pretty popular in the kr1 and the dm11. And almost like the go to choice! Interesting you prefer the w2.
I guess I’ll stick to my D4SV2 with W2!
Haha yeah it's tough to make a decision on these. The SFT40 is indeed very popular in the KR1, probably because it's very bright and is a bit wider while still throwing pretty well... though I suspect a large part of it is the hype of a relatively new LED being available.
D4SV2 with W2 is a beast! Probably the best all-rounder out of this whole bunch
@@LuxWad I just got the D4SV2 with W2s and a boost driver. Now with 6.8A 26650 cells, its runtime and output challenges that of the top EDC performers on the market. I have the Acebeam P18 and love it for evening walks with our dogs, but I've given it up for the D4SV2.... The only one of the 3 here in the vid that challenges the D4SV2 is the DM11 with the SBT90.2, but even that ramps down way too quickly for my liking. I wish Hank would stick the boost driver on the DM11+SBT90.2....
Sadly, after removing the tail a handful of times, for charging the battery, the positive terminal soon broke loose. In your video, at 2:07, it’s the brass piece in the center of the tail.
We loved our Noctigon, and a still use it, but once the brass piece works loose, the light is only a fraction of it’s former self
Good to know, I haven't had this issue before. Have you contacted the maker Hank about it? You can probably get a new tube sent
Yeah, but DM11 (SBT90) vs. D4S (W2)...both with 26800 tubes? :) Another great review!!!
It's rather interesting how low the sustainable output is on these lights.
Obviously weather and thermal calibration can make a HUGE difference. I only need a flashlight for winter nights (usually 5 degrees Celsius (=40 degrees Fahrenheit)) and at these temperatures heat isn’t an issue. I didn’t measure them on the go, but my dt8 could sustain level 6/7 (about 2400 lumens) and my SFT40 ran half the time on turbo and the other half on about 50% (probably a little over 1000 lumens). So I would guess my Kr1 Sft40 could sustain 1500 lumens under these conditions. Nothing surprising, but maybe a little perspective for someone.
Yes ambient temps and wind movement are very important. I do my testing in an enclosed area at 21C/71F, with the default target temp of 45C. This is basically the worst-case scenario for sustained levels, which I prefer as it is the most honest meaurement in my opinion - you can always expect the same or better performance in real-world use
@@LuxWad I currently live in a region where the average ambient temp is around 28-31C and my 10 year old Nitecore EC25 can sustain a higher output.
MOAAAAR of these.
insane space odysee 2001 like cinematography!
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I want to order a K1 soon. I’m thinking XHP70.3, have you an opinion on it? Thanks, great videos
The XHP70.3 is a great option if you want a higher-output light with a floodier beam for general use. It also has pretty good tint and coloration. Personally I would go with something throwier in this light to take advantage of the big reflector, but the cree is great for making the light more useful at medium-long ranges instead of just super-long range.
Nice man! Very detailed review.
mumble mumble… xhp is good also for rendering color.
It is high CRI?
Driver is 2 amps?
As always we see on Reddit
Light-Veteran
Yeah the XHP has pretty good color, I believe it's 80+ CRI. Driver is 12v 2A
off topic but you might know it: do you have any lantern ideas that go directly on top of a cell? the nitecore mpb21 is a bit expensive for what it is (45 dollars for the kit, might as well order a real flashlight for that, not a toy) and the acebeam edc bulb is out of stock on the site. (normally 3 dollars) i want like 50 lumens but sustained for for like 50 hours from a couple 21700s for a light through hike setup, and these appeal to me a lot, but these are the only 2 of this type of gadget i know of
Sounds like you're asking for the Thrunite TS2, which is basically the same as the Acebeam thing
Thanks to you I'm ordering the DM11 with XHP. Do I need to ask Hank specifically to ship in Linear or Boost driver for the XHP, or it comes with Boost driver by default?
It will ship with a boost driver, since it's a 12v emitter and can't run with the linear driver
@@LuxWad I emailed Hank he said XHP is now discontinued 🥲. Can you recommend the best emitter to go with the DM11? I love your recent videos you give your opinion about the best emitters.
If there's no XHP35, I'd probably get the XP-L HI, in 2850K or 4000K. It will be a bit throwier but less bright (about 1200 lumens)
@@LuxWad so you think the DM11 fits with the XP-L 4000K better than the B35AM and SFT-40? Would you recommend the W2? Thank you, I'm very new to the flastlight world. I just got a D4V2 after watching your previous videos.
@@contidozack Not neccessarily better, just depends on what you want. Personally, I like the B35Am the best, it's a reallly excellent general-use light, but it's not much of a thrower which is what most people want from the DM11.
If you want somethign throwy, the SFT40 is a great performer, but I think the XHP35 is much more pleasant to use. I haven't used the XP-L HI in this light, but it will offer similar coloration to the XHP35 HI, and similar performance to the W2 - so I do think it would be a really good thrower option, and I recommend that in the absense of the XHP35
does anyone know if the xpl hi would produce a similar result as the xhp hi? it looks like xhp is not available. thank you!
wonder what is that little dot around emmiter in 1:30, any thoughts?
That's from the manufacturer to indicate the emitter type
b35am має ширший промінь ніж xhp35?
Зараз з високим CRI доступна лише nichia, тому думаю про DM11 з b35am ~3500-4000k і не бачу інших альтернатив.
Цікава ваша думка
Yes B35AM is much floodier than XHP35HI, so it doesn't compare super well. I good alternative to XHP35 would probably be XP-L HI. SST20 4000K is another high-CRI throwy option, but that beam will be much tighter and dimmer.
Any revs for a massive candela pocket light for self defense beside the new surefires a bit expensive in mind for lack of lumens and fairly standard candela
Depends on how pocketable you need it to be. Fenix has several great options, such as the PD36R. The Wurkkos FC12 is a nice budget version. I really like the Acebeam P17 and P18, but those are a bit bigger.
@LuxWad cheers for the reply yeah I have my eye on one of the series I have it in my cart 🙃 after buying hanklights and a couple of others it's hard to justify spending 300 on a light that will perform similarly to the kr1 or my ts11 which are fairly similar in beam distance and pattern
Is there a tube or extension tube available to use 2x 18650 on a KR1?
No, only shorter tubes are available. Using 2x18650 would require a different driver to handle the increased voltage
@@LuxWad do you have any recommendations for 2x 1860 light? I don't see much of that around these days. I had an old Niteye TF40 that I liked.
@@squirts1 I've never seen a x2 1860 light personally but good luck searching!
🤷😅 A nice quality double 18650 light would be nice but a double 21700 now that would be badass. Or an extreme supreme quadruple 26800 setup on a light with hulk etching and ano on it!!!!
@@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou they definitely exist (or used to) I have a couple.
@@squirts1 I was joking because you typed 1860 not 18650 lol 😅
Since their throwers wouldn’t the W1 be a better option?
W1 will throw further, but I find the hotspot to be too small, the W2 is more practical.
Oh ok cool thanks for the reply! Do you by chance have a Emisar D4V2 or K4V with duel channel set up with thrower and flood emitters? You always say most flashlights that do both are to big and bulky but those are both small!!
@@AlvlUpSavedMyLife No I only have the D4SV2 dual-channel, but I like my single-channel lights more. The D4/KR4 are very floody lights and I dont think the W1/W2 offer enough throw for a dual-channel to be worthwhile... I would rather have an all-W2 hotrod.
Ok that gives me somthing to think about I appreciate your opinion! Thanks for the hard work and I really miss your videos on your original channel!!!
@@LuxWadI am really impressed and find it heartwarming and decent of you that you continue to engage with comments so long after the video posted. Rock on!
Can someone Help me pls, what do i have to select at the shop, to get the dm11 with the xhp35hI? Can't find that number so it is a bit confusing :D
It looks like the XHP35 HI is no longer available unfortunately. You can try emailling Hank to see if he has any extra to put in a light for you
@@LuxWad OMG wow, this is the fastest respond i ever experienced in CZcams! This speaks for you.
(Sry for my bad english and Long coment)
Hmm ok i understand.
What would you say ist better:
At the moment i am using a thrunite tn12 , and i am White Happy with it.
I was Just looking around for an Upgrade with more range.
First i looked at the aceabeam E70, but it seems to be more of a flood light ( so no real improvement/difference to my tn12, at least Not worth the Money (80+€)
So my question is:
I actually Like that KR1 with W2. It seems to be very Compact and powerful.
Or is the DM11 Just so much better in Terms of Power and Heat Management?
Which of those 2 would you as expert recommend. And with wich "LED" ( i prefer more warm/neutral colours)
I think the DM11 is the better light overall, but it's not very good for carrying in a pocket regularly, the KR1/D1V2 is much better for that. Both are about the same for sustained brightness, DM11 lasts longer because it has a bigger battery though.
A good warm LED would be the XP-L HI 4000K, 519a dedomed, or SST20 4000K.
@@LuxWad OK, seems Like the sst20, is the one you can select on the linked Shop.
Thx for your quick and good answers.
You definitely deserve more subs :)
@@senectarius9685 I'm happy to help!
Now I need a k1 please no more lol
Sorry 😂