Argylle - Review
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- čas přidán 1. 02. 2024
- Matthew Vaughn's latest film covers a group spies, fake and real - but who IS the real Agent Argylle?
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I hate how the marketing literally fools the audience. The fact that Henry Cavill was in front and center of the poster and his name was mentioned first in the cast list but turns out, his screentime was only about 5 minutes in a 139 minutes movie is such a bad marketing scam
But the trailer makes it very clear that he is not the main character.
Placement of actors in posters and how high their name appears in billing is part of the contract process and is negotiated like compensation. The marketing team is required to follow those guidelines when they make the promotional material.
That's fair
Agree. I thought it looked like a fun action flick with Cavill. doesn't sound like it. To bad.
@@user-eq3nk4zy1v it was fun if you're down to turn your brain off & go with the goofiness; it's just not using Henry Csvilly a lot
I enjoyed the sheer absurdity of having a plot twist every five minutes once they started, every new one exponentially more bizarre that the previous, but I do also recognise it's not what everyone would enjoy. The CGI was indeed terrible but the cast was absolutely brilliant, I thought, and for Sam Rockwell alone it is a movie worth seeing if one can go along for the ride of the silliness if its plot.
Thats all this movie is. Fun silliness. Idk what ppl want. The movies is not real life. Mad over CGI is so crazy to me. The guy slid a car down some stairs. 😂😂😂
I’m not sure if it was intentional, but I found them hilarious at one point and started laughing every time a new one came up.
I found it hilarious. Me and my friend were laughing tears
When the thumbnail is Dan scratching his head, you know it’s gonna be a fun review.
Dan scratching his head or putting his hand in his cheek like he's so tired is where the review is about to be fun, hilarious and interesting 😂
I think it's kinda funny how we can now predict what the review is like from these CZcamsrs based on their expression in the thumbnail 😂😂
I saw the thumbnail and thought OH WE ARE IN FOR IT.
The Lost City did it better. Female novelist is swept into a plot involving the coincidence that the plot and characters of her novels are actually real.
Which was copied and pasted from Romancing the Stone a hundred years ago.
that was a super fun movie that didn't take itself too seriously or overstay its playtime.
@HeadCannonPrime and I love it! One of my favorite rom coms in a long time.
That one Cameron Diaz & Tom Cruise movie did the "innocent person swept into espionage world by weird coincidence" premise best tbh, but then it is also the fact that, as Dan mentioned, Argyle abandons this initial premise fairly quickly
@@yavoth5850 knight and Day
Michael Scott vasectomy analogy for the win
Matthew Vaughn’s falloff as a director is something that needs a 70 minute analysis.
Imagine if Vaughn really is going to his Shyamalan middle phase for the downfall
FROM THE TWISTED MIND OF MATTHEW VAUGHN
Has he had a good movie since the first Kingsman? That was 10 years ago...
Dude has been stuck in Kingsman mode
@@15Candles You mean M. Night's entire phase after the Sixth Sense?
This sounds like a “maybe I’ll watch it on a long haul flight one day” type film. Love all your reviews, hope you’re on the mend!
Long haul flight film - that should absolutely be a category and this should definitely be in it 😂 then you watch it and you say to yourself ‘those reviews weren’t wrong’. Ghostbusters 3 (the one with brash and annoying female variants) was the first of these films for me - absolute nonsense!
I definitely thought this too lol. I had a somewhat more positive experience than Dan did with this movie, but if I hadn't just left the theatre about half an hour ago I thought I probably would've watched it on the plane some years down the line.
The fact that DiscussingFilm predicted the plot back in 2021 way before the film began production is absolutely hilarious. Somebody brought that up recently on Twitter and my god it'll never stop being funny 😂
This is ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS
They didn't "predict" the plot. They were given that info in a press release.
I watched this yesterday in the UK and although I thought it was overly long and very silly, I had an absolute blast watching it. I thought Bryce Dallas Howard and Sam Rockwell were great together and some of the music infused action scenes were incredibly fun. It's by no means a perfect movie, but the fact that The Beekeeper has almost double the Rotten Tomatoes score of this film is wild!
I loved the Beekeeper! It is not a good movie by any stretch. But it was fun. This was just a slog to get through.
Argyle is horrendous
@@josephnjuguna1986 as is your spelling
@@69johndz I thought The Beekeeper was spectacularly terrible but I must admit I wasn't bored for a second!
Just got back from taking the family to see it and we all had a great time watching it. Gave us a reason to go out and have fun.
Maybe the real agent Argylle were the friends we made along the way…
Taylor's Version
It seems like the movie was confused about who to make agent Argylle
I enjoyed it for what it was. I liked having to constantly guess at what was going to happen. I agree the CGI was VERY bad in several areas and it did drag in a couple spots (in 3rd act particularly) and could have done with a 10-15 minute runtime trim but overall I had fun with it.
I wish filmmakers who are trying to make an original movie with no existing IP could just make an one contained entertaining movie first without having to worry about setting up a huge universe. John Wick, Harry Potter, Star Wars, and Marvel succeed in making a huge universe because they managed to make an one contained movie first, the sequel happened because the first movie was an unpredictable success. It's cool that Vaughn has a plan in making a universe but he should've take a step back in making a contained movie first with well written characters before going to his big plans
Well, I mean. You know that's part of the pitch meeting just to the corporate overlords drooling. They probably think they have to if they want their 3 movie deal to get done.
Harry potter had existing IP, sod did marvel...
@@TrlababalaneI know bruh, my point is the fact that they started with an unexpected success. JK Rowling didn't know that Harry Potter books was going to be a hit when it came out, so was Marvel in their movies. Their big universe plan was mapped out right after the first movie came out and became an unpredictable success
@@15Candles agree. Harry Potter did not spend half the first film setting up for sequels. It was a stand alone story
Watched it last night. I didn't hate it, it was alright. The CGI was hard to ignore, especially the cat.
Did the cat need to be CGI? I feel like they could have used a real cat for some scenes.
@@terrymcginnis01No, in scenes where the cat isn't jumping or flying in the air, the cat was real. Vaughn used his daughter's cat
@@15Candles No way. During the first meeting between Sam Rockwell and Bryce Howard on the train...with the cat in the backpack on the table, I was like, "Holy shit...is that a CGI cat?" It was so obvious. I think they used an actual cat in 2 scenes. All the cat in the backpack scenes looked like obvious CGI. And I guess that is what makes it so weird...like, our we going for a Garfield vibe here?
During one action scene, with the overuse of slo-mo, I expected the cat to look at the camera and say, "I hate Mondays."
@@69johndz and like I said, the real cats is used if they aren't doing action scenes. So people can tell which one is real and which one is not
Me and my mom saw it last night and love it. Yes, the film felt too long. She also had a confusing storyline. But, hey, we don't get a movie like this anymore.
hope you feel better
Saw this tonight with the family. We all enjoyed the movie. It didn't blow our socks off, but it was worth a watch on the big screen for sure. Especially the colourful rainbow smoke action/dance sequence near the end. It was just fun and vibrant to absorb.
That rainbow smoke scene was jaw-droppingly awesome!
Thanks for the video Dan!
It really bothers me that all the reviewers I trust are trashing it..except Chris Stuckman. And finding out he recently interviewed the director really shows why he “liked it”
He's already said that he won't review movies that he doesn't like and/or focus on the aspects that he enjoyed about a movie he was meh on. Plus, from my memory, a lot of the criticism Dan is bringing up is briefly mentioned in his video. He mentions the movie being cluttered and having a "mixed bag" of surprises. Anyway, the best way to evaluate the movie is to watch it yourself. There are countless movies that I enjoyed that these reviewers criticized to the nth degree and there are plenty of movies that they enjoyed that I really didn't/was very underwhelmed by (i.e Barbie and Spider-Man: No Way Home).
@@russellchung3119 Stuckman is caught between a rock and a hard place. He is a film critic but at the same time he is a young director who cannot afford to piss people off in the movie industry.
@@lennynero635 That's true. But I don't think he did anything too offensive. There have been countless situations where reviewers (not necessarily movie reviewers) straight up lied to get in the good graces of various artists/game developers/business people/tech giants and later admitted as much. In this situation, he did bring up issues he had with the movie and chose to just focus on the good he saw.
Don't listen to the critics, decide for yourself. I'm glad I did, it was fun and entertaining.
@@russellchung3119 That is absolutely correct. But it. is still a bummer that he is in such a situation right now because he either does not review „bad“ movies and/or you will always question even the positive reviews.
Was I the only one that thought the cat was going to be a spy? With so many twists it wouldn’t surprise me.
Saw it today and had a lot of fun! It is very silly indeed but I was more than happy to go along with the ride ^^
All of the trailers of this movie reminded me of The Lost City and Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard, I didn't really have any expectations for this one personally even with the director and stacked cast.
Surprised people didn't start using the eye-rolling phrase "subverting expectations" with this one.
Well, that's because there are no expectations to subvert anymore. Now it 's assumed in will be in every movie because everyone is doing the same thing. The movie ends with our male lead literally lying on the ground beaten and battered, accepting his death...literally under the heel of a powerful, "big boned" woman when suddenly...they are save by a female POC. The female spy is literally a better spy than Sam Rockwell in every way.
I am not even saying it was a bad scene. Actually, the twist with the female POC was the only twist that I thought was clever and I liked. But, it is easy now-a-days to assume every move is going to end that way and...yup, it does. Nothing was subverted. Trust me.
If today's filmmakers wanted to subvert expectations, they would do so by making a good movie with a good script.
Spy (2015), written and directed by Paul Feig starring Melissa McCarthy and Jason Statham was the action comedy that Argylle failed was it's trying to be. It's characters were well written, the humor was clever, none of the cast were wasted, the action scenes were great, and it was all done in a budget of $65 million despite the fact that the movie set in different international locations. God that movie is criminally underrated, i wish people see it more because it was actually THAT good and hilarious. Spy was the movie that Argylle was trying to be and failed miserably
Thanks for the recommendation on The Greatest Night in Pop. Watched it last night and really enjoyed it.
All I am left thinking is I want to see Cavill as Bond and why are there so many high budget / low quality films out over the last 18 months?
I saw the movie in an exclusive premiere and I strongly disagree with your opinion. The plot twists were (mostly) unexpected and they drive you through the movie without being too complicated; there are no multiple parallel plots. The CGI was anything but cheap, though it's intendedly cartoony: the colored smoke scene that is teased in this review is great cinematography, it reminded me of Harley Quinn's killing scene in The Suicide Squad. Some things can be improved, of course, for example, Henry Cavill is being shown as the main protagonist and he's far from that.
I found it very refreshing. The premise passes from seemingly crazy fantastic to actually making sense. It's hard to be more specific without spoiling anything, but I can hardly see this as a lazy production or having a screenplay that's a mess.
I thought it was a fun time, up until things got overly twisty in the 3rd act.
And the ending was a few layers too deep for me, I still don't really understand what it was exactly setting up.
Not a movie I'd intentionally go back to watch, but if I caught it on TV, I'd let it play out.
And it doesn't make sense. In the after credit's scene, 20 years before the movie takes place, a man walks into a pub and says his name is "Argylle"...like that's supposed to mean something. But, Argylle is a made up name based on Rachael Kyle (i.e. "R. Kyle). There is no actual Argylle in the movie.
Am I missing something?
This movie looked terrible in trailers and commercials. I was shocked that it was a Matthew Vaughn film. I've really enjoyed his past movies. I think I'm gonna skip it until it comes to streaming and maybe give it a chance.
Interesting to see how studios are pumping $200 million a pop into so-so films and people were saying how super-hero movies were draining budgets.
I like your rating system Dan. Good review.
I never expected an Argylle review to be compared Michael Scott's vasectomies 😂
I loved the movie personally, I didn't notice the "obvious green screen" or the cheap looking effects. I thought the Smoke Fight scene and the Oil Skating scene were absolutely amazing. And frankly, the "frequent twists" were really nice, it felt like a mystery being slowly unraveled without an obvious answer jumping out at me. It wasn't a smart movie, it was a "good dumb fun" movie you settle into and go along with the ride to enjoy. If you treat it like an Austin Powers movie with a deadpan sense of humor it's a lot of fun
Spoilers for the post-credits:
What I want to know is if a significant portion of that $200M was for licensing the Kingsman branding for that pub (called The King's Man). If so, why? Are they suddenly the same universe? I honestly liked the movie, but I am so confused.
Dan, thanks SO MUCH for expressing what I wanted to say but didn't have the eloquence or depth of knowledge to say! You have captured EXACTLY what I felt about Argylle, the good and the bad. We watched it 'blind' in an empty cinema, without any pre-knowledge of synopsis. Beautiful work Dan!!
I was planning to skip this (trying to see all the Oscar nominated films right now) unless you gave it a glowing review. Thank you Dan!
If you liked Kick Ass you should check it out. It was very much of that tone and was a lot better than his review suggested imo
Calvin is usually wasted in almost everything he's been casted in.
He should really choose his projects better
Thank you Dan, you took one for the team here.
I saw the trailer with all it's bombast, hyper stylization and star studded cast (along with, as you so rightly put it, cheap looking effects) and inwardly groaned.
Your review absolutely nailed every aspect of this movie that I thought would justify that inward groan, reminding me that my internal "hard-pass-ometre" is finely tuned.
Thank you sir, I do love it when our tastes and thoughts synchronize on movies, which is always 😉.
Also, please stop shaving and gifting yourself another 20 years worth of youth, it's very disconcerting.
Totally agree with you about Cavill. He could be the greatest Bond ever, he should have been in numerous UNCLE movies already so it was a golden opportunity to snatch him away and make a fantastic spy movie built around him.
Thanks Dan. thumbs up!
It would’ve been much better if the movie was about Henry Cavill, Sam Rockwell, and John Cena chasing down a cat named Argylle.
Couldn’t agree more… I’ve loved every Vaughn film I’ve seen, but Argylle was unbearable. When my wife and I realized there was probably an hour left, we walked out haha
I just got out of the movie theater and if I hadn't verified I would have sworn this movie had been written by the writers of Chuck. There is no connection but everything about this movie screamed Chuck. I guess I will rewatch Chuck again.
Well put
the trailer made it seem like a fun little spy popcorn flick, but it seems it's not worth the cinema admission.
Great content Dan but you gotta work on that immune system son you are ALWAYS getting over a cold lmao
Yeah, I get them 3-4 times a year like a....normal person?
@@DanMurrellMovies I am constantly amazed by how often people get sick…the normal people prolly get out more than I do
That's not normal at all, buddy. @@DanMurrellMovies
@@DanMurrellMovieshow dare you, quite frankly.
@Largentina From Johns Hopkins "The average adult will get 2 to 4 colds per year." It is actually normal.
This movie is like if someone added too many ingredients to a recipe, undercooked it, and then tried to keep adding spices while youre trying to eat it.
Just looking at trailers for this, I got the impression it was Matthew Vaughn's version of Knight and Day with the tiniest hint of Stranger Than Fiction. Honestly, leaning more into the Stranger Than Fiction aspect seems like it would have been more interesting.
i thought argylle was a kitty superhero.. was excited for that
After that mid credit scene, we're now in the Vaughn-iverse
I loved this movie and thought it was very like kingsman which I also loved. Hopefully we get to see a continuation
If Dan really turned out to be Argylle, then I'd go see it.
Absolutely no way this movie is coming close to simply breaking even on its reported $200m cost in its theatrical run! Until recently, Apple were more responsible with spending MUCH less e.g. $35m on CODA that won 3 Oscars in 2021 & got record viewership on Apple TV+. Some (most) directors just seem to work better when constrained by a smaller budget like Layer Cake's $6.5m budget as compared to Argylle's $200m!
As Dan pointed out not the budget - the price apple paid for (along with rights to franchise etc). Vaughn has said the move did not cost 200 mil to make - and that might be the reason it looks so cheap. The cast is so 'superstar' studded I think a lot of whatever budget he did have went on that and left the cgi/scripting etc on the cheap. I give apple a pass here because the movies that are being released were greenlit in a time when everyone int he industry thought the box office was gonna have a big comeback post pandemic. To be fair, this isn't Apples core business and they are a cash rich 100s trillion dollar company, so they can afford the loses- as opposed to the standard studio players, who made the same calls, and are now in serious financial trouble. I think Apple will change tact (as all studios have/will ), but there is a backlog of release that will still show the old thinking.
100% agree well said!
Sucks that it didn't come together well. I thought the premise had great potential. Ah well. Thanks for your thoughts!
Saw it tonight, did not hate it, love Sam Rockwell no matter what. TBH though there was too much talking about action instead of actual action. I’m not quite sure how to describe it better than that, it just felt like every scene they had to pause and analyze and discuss what was going on, instead of just… Getting on with it. like, I can’t remember the last time I thought a movie with so much action felt.., “slow” somehow 😅
Wanted to like it, enjoyed the camp and cheesiness and secondhand embarrassment of the experience 😅😅
Bryan Cranston was wasted? What is this, Godzilla 2014?
No godzilla at least had good cgi and cool monsters to distract from the painfully mediocre writing, this one does not
Sounds like a lot of people will be dissapointd that Henry Cavil and John Cena are not in the movie as much as hoped
I'm not a James Bond fan. But, this movie was spoofing the genre. It was all in good fun....campy, vampy and just plain silliness which is what most spy vs.spy films usually end up being.
Austin Powers did better.
I'll stream it when it comes out.
I found the over use of bad CGI in this film painful. The film was 20-30 minutes too long and even I who is normally oblivious to internal differences in the script could tell that they tried 'to find it in the edit'. Sam Rockwell was trying his best, but they clearly shot at least two different versions of his character. Then there is the cat (who is adorable and did nothing wrong) which looked to me like they replaced it entirely, there were multiple scenes where I could tell the actor was touching air, did they only have the cat for a narrow time window, or did they change cats entirely?
the film tries to show serious spies in a funny way in a non-serious way just to entertain us viewers
I saw it today. Dident love it but I was entertained. Would like to see more Argylle movies.
what if the real Agent Argylle was the friends we made along the way?
Wondering if Sammy L. took this role because it reminded him of The Long Kiss Goodnight, a role that is one of his favorites & has wanted to do a sequel for, has worked with Matthew Vaughn before, or that indeed as Dan says they were gonna pay him a lot of sit in a room & watch basketball for the most part. Maybe a combo of all 3.
He probably took it because he got a few million for working a couple of days mostly sitting in a chair watching basketball.
Totally agree with you. Too many twists. The Henry callvill scenes were my favorite. And i have no idea what him appearing at the end and the end credit scene mean.
This movie cost $200 million dollars! WTF!!! Didn't know this movie is consider big blockbuster budget. Lol.
no - did you watch past the first 5 mins? Thatt what apple paid for it along with many other rights, it did not cost 200 mil.
ARRRRRGGGGHHHH-ylle
'Everyone is asking...'. Not according to the box office results.
You know I also most passed up this movie because of your review. My forty year old son and I went to see it and we had a great time. It was silly and funny, it didn't feel to long! We really enjoyed the film!
Hey Dan, I got to watch the film today and I fell in the same range as you did of not being a fan. The premise sold me but the the run time sabotaged it among other things. It also felt more like a parody versus an actual espionage film.
the trailers were awful, but based on reviews the movie is even worse!
Hi, what is that Batman bust on your counter? Is that a lamp or a Lego bust?
After First Class and Kingsman I thought Matthew Vaughn was maybe one of the best directors of his generation
Boy was I wrong
I mean, let's be fair, he's still made more good movies than bad.
He has made some decent ones but I don't think he's in the phase of Shyamalan failure yet
Vaughn is one of the best. Still taking chances and being weird.
The 'Kingsman' style genre is so over.... next. 😴
"best directors of his generation"......
He made fun action movies. Not nearly at the level of best of his generation
My main issue with the film is they openly say this isn’t your typical spy movie and it becomes a paint by number spy movie. Also Bryce Dallas Howard is a terrible actress or she is a magnet for terrible projects.
Possibly the worst movie ever made 1. the entire point of the movie was to bring the people on the list to justice and instead they decided to blow them all up 2. she just stuck random ass knives with handles and decided you can ice skate on oil and the entire point of that scene was that there was oil so they couldn't shoot anyone but at the end just decides to shoot while spinning around 3. the gas was just colored smoke so they didn't need gas masks at all and somehow the gas masks made it so they could see through smoke 4. before uploading there were just random ass shots of Samuel Jackson watching a Lakers game before a major operation 5. in the fight scene near the end he got punched a few times and just decided to give up and let them win 6. when she killed the hacker how did the plan for them to escape get laid out and how was there still gas in the boat and finally 7. the cgi was fucking terrible
Crazy to think that this movie had the same budget as Dune 2. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I really liked the movie. At no time did the movie take itself seriously, which fit very well with the CGI. I recognised immediately that Cavill, and Cena were avatars, was not at all confused. For me it was a fun romp, and it worked very well.
I can understand why critics hate the movie, it is pretty good.
The entire second half of this film was just pure plot twist whiplash
Also the toning down of bloody violence worked, remember it's a Spy thriller, just as James Bond is & there the violence is NEVER bloody, the public are willing to accept that, so why not here? contrast this toning down with the watering down in the ROBOCOP remake that could NEVER work with out it, and didnt because of the greatly different sci fi political story.
This film has me intrigued.
I'm not going to disagree on the twist a minute feel Dan gave this, because yes it has some big degrees of plot whiplash at times, and by the end it gets predictable. That said I still had fun with the movie. The previews had enough to let me expect the feel of what I got from the movie as far as effects. And the action while very bloodless was still fun and violent enough to have me wondering what craziness to expect next. For me I'd give a It's Fine on Dan's scale.
I fell asleep for the first hour and felt like I didn't miss much for the rest of it.
Agree, some fun elements but overall way to exhausting for me
"Big swing and a big miss..." well stated. I couldn't quite put my finger on why I was so disappointed in this film, but your review summed it up well.
Hi Dan. Money question about Argyle. So film critics have gone on about it costing 200 million dollars and how it doesn't look like it cost that much. Yet that is the amount Apple paid for the film not the 'budget' which Vaughn put together himself. So we have two 'costs' The cost to make the film and the cost to purchase the film Vs the box office. If the film cost say 100 million then there wouldn't be a publicity cost, as Apple would pay for that. So does that mean it the film would have made 100 million BEFORE it's release to cinemas? I mean how is the value/cost/budget/ profitability worked out in Argyle's situation? It seems much more nuanced than is being reported. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Watched it in the theatre with my parents and we laughed the whole time. I'm surprised every online review of it is negative.
It is a very silly movie, and seems to be making fun of pulp spy novels with the deliberately cliche twists it dumps on the audience at the end. Once you get to the colored smoke action/dance sequence and the skating on oil scene it becomes obvious that the movie is determined to be ridiculous, and I assume many people aren't up for that, which is fine.
I loved it, although it is funny to learn how expensive this movie was to make, since it looks so low budget the whole time. Still enjoy hearing Dan's take, even if we disagree.
I liked the 1st 2 acts but had some issues with the last arc mainly when the big twist happened as I found it and other twists too predictable.
You should add a sub rating of “skim through it if you’re on an airplane”
Caught it on Sunday. 20x more fun than the Creator.
Isn't that the premise of the Jennifer Garner movie from two years ago?
hmm I will probably see this anyway :P
Hopefully you review the movie Tuesday, looks really good imo.
Apple should be stuck making Electronics
I enjoyed it. It didn't blow my mind, but it was a good time. A great date movie.
The best way to ruin a movie is to say it’s part of an upcoming cinematic universe.
It was another The Lost City.
Lol nice intro, Dan!
I appreciate the testing you gave. This may or may not be good fun, like The Beekeeper.
I'm sorry you couldn't keep up with the plot twists, I know they came fast and hard. But each one propelled the movie toward its ultimate conclusion. I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I sat through most of it with a stupid grin on my face. Henry Cavill plays the ultimate spy Argylle like a pro, he looks fantastic despite the flat top haircut, but comedy is not really his strong suit. Sam Rockwell is incredible and it is 100% his movie! I cannot say enough about this guy, every performance of his in every movie he has done is pure gold. Bryce Dallas Howard is always great to watch and plays off Sam Rockwell to perfection. In a film with many plot twists, she goes from strength to strength with every turn. This movie is silly in parts, exciting, funny, and totally enjoyable. But hey, that's just my opinion!
I kept up with them perfectly fine. I just didn’t think it was a very good story.
@@DanMurrellMovieswhat was wrong with the story?
I really think that they should have just made the film with Henry Cavill as the both the fictional character in the books and also a real life spy just way more flawed than he was in the books.
Yeah I definitely felt bamboozled by Henry Caville not having the main role. And even though I was really confused by the movie I ended up liking it😅 it's not a great movie but the acting was good and there was just something that grew on me.