Olympus M4/3 Landscape Photo Gear + Q&A

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • In this video I drone on and on about my Olympus M4/3 landscape photography gear, extolling the virtues of the OMD EM series cameras and M.Zuiko lenses. Then I get to some interesting questions from some exremely valued and loyal subscribers ... and drone on and on a bit more!
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Komentáře • 312

  • @neilt
    @neilt Před 2 lety +21

    Still here, right at the end, that was a very interesting half hour, David. I especially concur with your final philosophical answer about photography - I shoot to please myself and any social media likes are a bonus rather than a target. If people don't like my work, then that's their loss in my view.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Cheers Neil, many thanks for watching. It makes for a far less stressful pastime if you're not worrying about anybody else at all. 😊👍

  • @davidcurtiswatts2378
    @davidcurtiswatts2378 Před 2 lety +5

    Very nice. Your relaxed style reminds me a bit of youtuber David Thorpe, who sadly passed away recently.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +2

      Many thanks David. But that really is terrible news about DT. I've found his channel very informative and helpful many times over the years. He'll be missed.

  • @tonyb4326
    @tonyb4326 Před 2 lety +4

    Watched it all the way through David, and a big thumbs up for everything you said.

  • @steveboys5369
    @steveboys5369 Před 2 lety +2

    Hi Dave, yep right here at the end too. Great tip, be kind! Encouragement is the way

  • @patricksnodin4187
    @patricksnodin4187 Před rokem +1

    Re. Your final statement in the video. As one of the three remaining viewers I'd just like to mention that I believe this is the third time I have faithfully sat to the bitter end of this excellent production! Thanks David.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před rokem

      Cheers Patrick, I salute your indefatigability! 😊👍

  • @RogerKeith74
    @RogerKeith74 Před 2 lety +2

    I stayed for all because it was very much worth it!! thanks so much. (using OMD-E-M1 Mark lll and Panasonic G9) OM for many many years. I'm 84.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Many thanks for watching, Roger, so glad you enjoyed it. 😊👍

  • @sue.Hoo123
    @sue.Hoo123 Před 2 lety +3

    I stayed to the end, the time flew by. Some really beautiful images here, I think my favourite is the Llyn Peninsula with sand and grasses in the foreground, absolutely gorgeous.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello Sue, thanks ever so much for watching. I must admit that image is a really good example not just of the "peninsula" question I was addressing, but also the quality of the 14-150 lens I mentioned beforehand. However, a point which I just mentioned in passing, that I rarely go out without a camera, would have been well illustrated with this particular image. It was also taken whilst walking my dog, and for many other people would have been either a smartphone shot, or not taken at all. The perspective on the mountain backdrop would have been diffiuclt to achieve with a phone. And yet despite the simplicity of the scene I tend to agree with you, I really like it too despite it not having any great drama it just reflects the scenery and tranquility of the location. 😊👍

  • @weisserth
    @weisserth Před 2 lety +4

    I've always wondered by Olympus MFT is not more popular with landscape photographers. Most scenes are shot at low ISO, so noise is not really a valid concern. In many cases, a large DoF is desired and actually an issue on larger sensors where you need to focus stack. Longer lenses are smaller and easier to carry. The image stabilization allows you to shoot most scenes without a tripod. High-res mode gives you access to 80MP - and it'll work for most scenes where I saw Fuji medium format shooters not having any issues with focus stacking multiple exposures in post.
    My main lens on the E-M1 III is the 12-100 f4. Brilliant lens. It's almost always glued to the camera. The only other lens that gets close to getting that much use, is my 25mm f1.2.

  • @nickyfoulkes8476
    @nickyfoulkes8476 Před 2 lety +2

    I could listen to waffle on about photography as long as you want as I always gain a nugget or two of useful information. Nice to see you are still at it, by that I mean manipulating pixels. Happy shooting & stay safe.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Cheers Nicky, many thanks for watching 😊👍

  • @Red35Photography
    @Red35Photography Před 2 lety +2

    Brilliant insight to gear mate. Glad to see you make use of the system and capitalise it’s strengths. Take care mate and hope to catch up with you soon. J

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hey Jimmy, how are you doing? Many thanks for swinging by. I should say that my recent acquisitions were heavily influenced by your excellent channel! 😊👍

  • @MikeJones-gg4qc
    @MikeJones-gg4qc Před 2 lety +1

    A brilliant half hour David. And just remember that some people are only happy when they are criticising others or are constantly moaning about something or other. Just keep them coming mate and as always the pics are brilliant and we all learn from each others techniques and ideas. All the very best to you and yours from not so sunny Devon.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Cheers Mike, many thanks for tuning in and taking the time to leave such generous feedback 😊👍

  • @douglasanderson5507
    @douglasanderson5507 Před 2 lety +2

    Well David, I watched it to the end….as always. I’m a Lumix MFT enthusiast and very much enjoy and appreciate your work and commentary. Lumix ambassadors could well take note and be of similar service to their brand followers but much of what you cover is of great value to me. Thank you for your continuing contribution to the MFT community. Douglas Anderson, Calgary Alberta

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Many thanks, Douglas, much appreciated. As for "brand ambassadors" I'm lead to believe that quite a few people have referred me to Olympus UK, or whatever passes for it these days since the buy-out, but they couldn't care less!! 😂👍

    • @douglasanderson5507
      @douglasanderson5507 Před 2 lety

      Well, anyway keep on keeping on, David. You are doing a great job.

  • @redpillnibbler4423
    @redpillnibbler4423 Před 2 lety +2

    You have a real eye for composition and balance within the frame and then the lighting etc.Very nice images,thanks for sharing.I’ve also been happy with my Olympus M43 and often carry one where I wouldn’t have taken my full frame.

  • @Henry30065
    @Henry30065 Před rokem +2

    Although I don’t do a huge amount of landscape photography and I don’t use the micro four thirds system, I always enjoy watching your channel. Your calm, knowledgeable, modest and always pleasant approach is a real joy to watch. Keep the excellent and fascinating work. Alun

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před rokem

      Thanks so much Alun, your generous encouragement is very much appreciated 😊👍

  • @bryanspark
    @bryanspark Před 2 lety +2

    Enjoyable video on your thoughts on gear without overdoing it. Sorry I missed the live show David, it seems I haven’t been getting notifications even though I’ve subscribed (and clicked the bell)

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Bryan, absolutely nothing to apologise for. As it happens it didn't go out as a live stream anyway, so you didn't miss out! But I really appreciate your support of my channel, thanks a lot 😊👍

  • @PaulGJohnsonphotography
    @PaulGJohnsonphotography Před 2 lety +2

    I love Olympus cameras and still have all my lenses, an old OM and my first digital camera was the E500, the images from both still please me immensely . Great video David.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Cheers mate 😊👍

    • @neilt
      @neilt Před 2 lety +1

      I continually wish I'd kept my original OM1 that I bought around 1975 shortly after I left college.

  • @awelonstudio
    @awelonstudio Před 2 lety +3

    Another great interesting video lovely images. I really loved the one at Llanddwyn Island beautiful.
    It really lifted my spirits after wat has been a difficult few weeks after the illness and death of my little friend Tyson my Yorkshire Terrier.
    I liked what you said at end of the last question that was very respectful.
    I myself am only using my phone for a few years now. There not great but I'm happy.
    Nice day today I think a trip to Bodorgan Station to film and photograph some trains this afternoon would be nice.
    Keep up the great work you video are allways so informative and entertaining allways happy to see new ones when they come.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Cheers. By the way the road is closed from Bethel to the station, BT doing something or other, so you have to take the lane towards Soar from the top end of Bethel and then double back round 😊👍

    • @awelonstudio
      @awelonstudio Před 2 lety

      Thanks for the info I will do.

  • @thomaschipman
    @thomaschipman Před 2 lety +1

    added bonus of the olympus pro lenses is that now you're fully weather sealed and no longer need to faff about with trying to protect the body or the lens when conditions get a bit squirrely

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      That's a really good point and something which I completely forgot to mention! 😊👍

  • @AliAlireza
    @AliAlireza Před 2 lety +3

    Thanks you for your sharing your photography, time and experience with us. I really enjoy watching your channel and marvel at all the images you have created. Cheers 😊

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you very much, Ali 😊👍

    • @AliAlireza
      @AliAlireza Před 2 lety

      @@DGriffGallery my pleasure and please continue delighting us by your marvelous photos🙂

  • @malcolmriley6897
    @malcolmriley6897 Před 2 lety +1

    Well, I stayed to the end and was happy to do so. A very interesting video with some magnificent images. And I couldn't agree more with your answer to the final question.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Many thanks, Malcolm. Really appreciate you watching. 😊👍

  • @redpillnibbler4423
    @redpillnibbler4423 Před 2 lety +2

    All creative art is personal,I agree it’s wrong to tell someone they arn’t any good.It’s about being in touch with what inspires you to create an image.My view is photographers with the drive to create should look at every other photographers work and also all other forms of art and let it inspire you,but not then try to exactly copy what others have done but have a freedom of expression that comes from within.Be open to constructive criticism if you wish to show others,yet not worry what people might think of your work.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes you make very good points about learning and inspiration 😊👍

    • @redpillnibbler4423
      @redpillnibbler4423 Před 2 lety

      @@DGriffGallery
      As long as we enjoy our pastime it’s all good 👍😀

  • @MrFirstdance2000
    @MrFirstdance2000 Před 2 lety +1

    Love your confidence and personal reflection regarding needs and your choices in lenses. Thank you for your attention to detail. Your work is excellent!

  • @SammySantiagoIrizarry
    @SammySantiagoIrizarry Před 2 lety +1

    Like your viewpoint about gear! To use what is convenient for you and not to get caught in the gear syndrome.

  • @vladepast4936
    @vladepast4936 Před rokem +2

    I usually say something good just to be nice, but you have the skills and talent for sure. And your pictures are really good!

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před rokem

      Many thanks for watching and taking the time to leave such generous feedback. It is much appreciated 😊👍

  • @smkunder1
    @smkunder1 Před 2 lety +1

    Very helpful, I sometimes get caught up in the gear wars, but I find for enjoying photography, I always grab my Olympus.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Steve, yes, it's almost impossible to completely avoid gear comparisons. Any time you interact with another photographer you run the risk of getting embroiled in discussions about gear. As you saw in the video I find a good way to avoid it is to make a point of knowing absolutely nothing about any other gear than your own. The conversation soon peters out and you can get onto more enjoyable topics! 😊👍

  • @robb8773
    @robb8773 Před rokem +1

    I love the M43 system. I have an EM1 Mark III with Pro lenes. I sell my work on line and at galleries and have never had a buyer say "oh, I'm not buying your work because it wasn't shot with a FF camera".

  • @ridealongwithrandy
    @ridealongwithrandy Před 2 lety +2

    Good stuff Mr. D Griff! I shoot Olympus because I like it. I have 2 EM1Xs for wildlife and the dusty ol desert in the southwest USA, I use an EM5 Mkiii for YT videos, and an EM10 Mkii for ultra easy hiking. I shoot Nikon Df for Astro. I shoot film because ..well .. I like to. I have 4 35mm film cams and two TLRs for fun. I have a website for my stuff, not many visits, that's cool, I do it mostly for my family to see what I'm up to, same with my YT videos, and also with Flickr. I shoot for me!

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Blimey, that's quite a collection! I must admit that whenever I end up with a piece of kit on the shelf for any length of time I usually hunt around for a better home for it and reinvest the proceeds! 😊👍

  • @steveschnetzler5471
    @steveschnetzler5471 Před 2 lety +1

    I agree with the "be gentle" way of comments. I envy the photographic teams, where the partner reviews and removes the "ugly" comments before the taker even has to seen them. What they don't see wont hurt them.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Steve, by and large I am very lucky as I don't get too many negative comments. And for those that I do I have a hide like a rhino! If I were to co-opt the lovely Mrs G to filter my negative comments she would be more likely to add to them! 😂👍

  • @desgardner7169
    @desgardner7169 Před 2 lety +1

    I am still watching but I did not need to ask any questions I just knew you would let everybody know the answers before you read them! Personally I believe pictures at the taking stage are very personal after that they are there to be shared and you will always get some know all who knows better but you never seem to see any of their pictures I wonder why. I am glad you gave a hint of this at the end of your talk. Yes it was a long talk but I knew there would be some great pictures at the end. I am so glad to hear you are happy with the equipment you enjoy using you certainly know how to use it. Thank you for explaining things in a friendly manner......

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Cheers Des, many thanks as always for your generous feedback 😊👍

  • @Henry30065
    @Henry30065 Před 2 lety +1

    As always, I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Your straight forward and frank explanations and answers to queries are like a breath of fresh air. Your no nonsense approach to photography equipment also impresses me. I wish I could be like you instead of constantly changing cameras, lenses, etc., almost every time new models are released! After watching this video, I have promised myself that instead of constantly chasing the latest, newest and most technically advanced gear, I shall try to concentrate on getting to know my current camera and lenses inside out and back to front. Thank you David for your very helpful and sensible advice. Alun

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Cheers Alun. Yes, the more familiar you are with the gear you have to hand, the more enjoyable the time behind the camera becomes, and the more compelling the images created! 😊👍

  • @PodgeeWheaverPhotography
    @PodgeeWheaverPhotography Před 2 lety +1

    We have the exact same Olympus set up. Love it. 😀

  • @johnbaker7819
    @johnbaker7819 Před 2 lety +2

    Fab pictures, and I like your very generous answer to the last question 👍

  • @kathleenhickey7793
    @kathleenhickey7793 Před 2 lety +1

    I’m still here at the end! Enjoyed this very much. Lovely images - the depth of color in your pictures is always quite wonderful.

  • @joewelsh1804
    @joewelsh1804 Před 2 lety +1

    Well I was one of the three who stayed the course. 🤣🤣 Enjoyed the images and your sensible chat as always.

  • @hedleywrightphotography
    @hedleywrightphotography Před 2 lety +1

    Made it right through to the end! Brilliant video, thankyou. I always enjoy your style, it’s like we’re right there with you having an enjoyable chat. Spot on about critique also.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello Hedley, many thanks for tuning in. Really appreciate it. And thank you for being good enough to take the time to comment. 😊👍

  • @johnsmith-gs4qf
    @johnsmith-gs4qf Před 2 lety +1

    Beautiful images! Whenever someone puts down the micro 4/3 system, I'll show them your wonderful pictures!

  • @richardturner81
    @richardturner81 Před 2 lety +1

    Great views at the end and couldn’t agree more.

  • @trevorfentiman5283
    @trevorfentiman5283 Před 2 lety +1

    Great info and so nice to see a photographer not trying to push the latest and expensive gear and still getting great results as you always do. Live in Kent and went to the Brecon Beacons early this year and after watching you got a week in November near port Merion so snowdonia and Anglesey are well on the list as hoping for some atmospheric images, please keep them coming as your soft and sincere tones are a joy to listen to.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Trevor, many thanks for tuning in. Fingers crossed for some good conditions for your visit to North Wales. Really hope you have an enjoyable trip. 😊👍

  • @GeirBakkenVestfold
    @GeirBakkenVestfold Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks, you have many interesting points here. Sometimes, I go back and look at my old work and wonder, what was I thinking! How could I edit so badly. We all do this journey and we will always evolve in new styles or mature in the much more complicated matter of evaluating our own work.

  • @nomadbigste
    @nomadbigste Před 2 lety +1

    Great final comment. Criticism in the right way is a skill that unfortunately too many people don’t have. I never understand why people find the need to be sarcastic or sometimes just rude.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes, sadly there is a lot of one-upmanship in most pursuits 😊👍

  • @MiguelACoronaDM
    @MiguelACoronaDM Před 2 lety +1

    Good topic. I've noted in comments before that I have a full 4/3 (Olympus) and FF kit. About 80% of the time, I'm carrying the 4/3 for my day hikes and when not expecting to blow up images to larger sizes. I adore my Olympus gear and find it does a magnificent job on the trail, especially on steep ones. In addition, it's wonderful for birding when matched up with the Leica/Pano 200-400.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello Miguel, I must admit I hear that quite a lot. Many people seem to have a smaller system which gets more use, but a full frame system which comes out every now and then when particularly high quality is required. I must admit, .though, that I've never given any thought to putting together a second system even for my professional work as I find that the micro 4/3 still gives me everything I need in terms of quality. Although, I do probably have to be a little more careful with my technique than I would with a more forgiving larger format 😊👍

    • @MiguelACoronaDM
      @MiguelACoronaDM Před 2 lety

      @@DGriffGallery LOL, indeed! Sometimes the extra light comes in handy. Thanks again!

  • @123rahwana
    @123rahwana Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome, you proof how M43 is much capable produces such stunning picture even videos. Really like your workflow.👍👍👍

  • @lysippus5614
    @lysippus5614 Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks very much for your wise suggestions and advice on landscapes. Very practical approach to photography and gear, I learnt a lot.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Glad it was helpful! Many thanks for watching and being good enough to take the time to comment. 😊👍

  • @interdec
    @interdec Před 2 lety +1

    Very enjoyable video…it must have been…I rarely watch any videos right to the end without a few clicks of fast forwarding (a result of our digital era reduced attention span I suspect). Tend to agree with your philosophy that it’s not the gear or the cost of it…it’s the results that count. Thanks for YOUR time in making this video.

  • @garys639
    @garys639 Před 2 lety +1

    Loved seeing your progression with gear,[non gearhead indeed] I have sold my 12-40 to help finance the purchase of a 12-100mm, sold my 300mmPro to finance a 7-14 and filters,a 17mm f1.8, a 45mm f1.8 and a 75mm f1.8..had enough left over to get a Lumix 100-300 for when the desire for a long shot proves too strong. Along with my 40-150mm Pro I have almost everthing covered . Only carry what I need and thankfully have no mountains or high hills to climb..Australiais an old country and we have worn our mountains down ;} Great vid by the way along with your usual outstanding images.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Cheers Gary, I must admit I'm a bit taken aback by the extent of the feedback on this video as I hadn't anticipated many viewers would be very interested in it! 😊👍

  • @georgefrench1907
    @georgefrench1907 Před 2 lety +1

    I agree with your attitude on gear. I’m quite happy with my long-in-the-tooth Nikon 7100 crop-sensor DSLR, which has ample resolution and user-friendly layout of controls.In fact, its video and many of its advanced capabilities are much more than I need. Its lack of a flip screen is minor shortcoming that does not warrant a new camera.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello George, yes, you are quite right the Nikon 7000 series cameras certainly have a deservedly good reputation. As it happens, I did consider staying with Nikon at the time I switched and that would've been on my radar. It was simply the weight of pro lenses which put me off. 😊👍

  • @sealcove2698
    @sealcove2698 Před rokem +1

    It’s great to see your photographs. Very helpful.

  • @iaincphotography6051
    @iaincphotography6051 Před 2 lety +3

    A good watch and enjoyable David, I don't use Olympus but understand why people do. I use Fuji after years of being a Nikon user as far back as the film days. I use them because I like what they do and are fun to use. Critique, doesn't analysis sound much kinder? Club judges whose work is worse than the photos they are judging, really get me annoyed. Like you, I do what I want in the way I want to do it. The best quote I have heard this last week was by the great Harry Callahan who said "Being a member of a camera club helped define the type of photographer I didn't want to be".

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Iain, what a great quote! I have a couple of camera club presentations coming up in the next week, dare I use it?!!! 😂👍

    • @iaincphotography6051
      @iaincphotography6051 Před 2 lety

      @@DGriffGallery Brave man if you do lol. So you do talks via Zoom? We have Mali doing one this evening via zoom for Ripon club.

  • @whipsnadepoacher
    @whipsnadepoacher Před 6 měsíci +1

    I use 2 EM1 MkII bodies, love them, I always buy secondhand! I will be purchasing the Kase system, thank you for your help on that.

  • @zayacz123
    @zayacz123 Před 2 lety +1

    I recently used Live Comp at a light painting class. It’s absolutely incredible and easy to use.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      I’ve used Live Time a lot, but not Comp much 😊👍🏻

  • @steveworthington930
    @steveworthington930 Před 2 lety +2

    Hi David, you have given me priceless advice regarding lenses. A recent trip to the West Coast of Scotland proved my need for a weather sealed len,s. (have the EM1), was rushing trying to get shot,s between storm,s. You recommended the 14 to 150mm, however the 12 to 50mm will suffice. Cheaper, lighter. Restricted to low level stuff due to heart condition. Still have 40 to 150mm for calmer day,s. Maybe the 12 to 40mm Pro at a later date. Thank you for an excellent V,log.

    • @p.io7
      @p.io7 Před 2 lety +1

      after watching this video I'm thinking to replace my 12-50 with 14-150, I often find myself struggling for more reach, also 12-50 is not very sharp especially at the longer focal length. Btw the weight difference between these two lenses is negligible, about 80 grams.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello Steve, yes, when I was using the 12-50 I certainly had no complaints at all. And it was really only superseded by the focal range and apertures that I was looking for when lugging a bag of glass up a hill! 😊👍

    • @steveworthington930
      @steveworthington930 Před 2 lety

      @@p.io7 Not sharp at 50mm? Not according to several Olympus Pro,s on CZcams? Besides you can compensate in LR, not interested in video or macro just landscape & portrait,s.

    • @steveworthington930
      @steveworthington930 Před 2 lety

      @@DGriffGallery Surely that is the modus operandi of M4/3, small, light, compact. Have invested in a Pen PL5, superb little camera, feature packed, as expected with Olympus.

    • @p.io7
      @p.io7 Před 2 lety

      @@steveworthington930 yeah, you can check the specs on dxomark and see how the effective sharpness degrades across the focal range, but I believe that softness is bothering me only because I tend to crop a lot due to the lack of reach with 12-50mm. And while 20 megapixels sensor allows me to crop in the 12-50mm lens not so much.

  • @saintjug7
    @saintjug7 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video really enjoyed it, one of the reasons i have stuck with Pentax apsc is that I have got to really know how it works so don't have to think about it in the field and another bonus is that all my gear is secondhand at pretty reasonable prices. So similar philosophies on gear I feel.

  • @keithleesley5979
    @keithleesley5979 Před 2 lety +2

    Well David, I watched it till the end and I have to say that it was very informative, I'm afraid I still only use an old 35mm camera and really enjoy it, however, I fully intend to also (but not instead) start with digital be it only second hand equipment especially to begin with.
    Lastly, I totally agree that any Photography is a very personal thing and should be viewed with that in mind.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +2

      Hello Keith, I think you're fine with a micro 4/3 system there are plenty of good value used options kicking about and you should be able to migrate to digital without breaking the bank. I must admit, though, if I still had my old 35mm equipment I would probably still use it from time to time. I don't really know why. I suppose just from a nostalgic point of view! 😊👍

  • @finnwang1538
    @finnwang1538 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Really nice and informative video. Thank you so much 📸. I am enjoying your kind and friendly mannerisms. It makes everything so special and a joy to watch.
    Kind regards from Norway 🇳🇴

  •  Před 2 lety +1

    I've just discovered your channel, I like the content alot. I recently bought an E-M1 Mk I for a very good price and I want to prove that this camera from 2013 still can shoot very nice photos. I use it with vintage Canon FD lenses which are known for their amazing quality. Yes, they are quiet heavy and I use a focal reducer, but it is quiet satisfying to be able to take great photos with a 8 years old body and 40 years old manual lenses. Bonjour de Montréal, Québec 🙂

  • @steveschnetzler5471
    @steveschnetzler5471 Před 2 lety +1

    Sorry I missed it live. I, like you, love the light weightiness of MFT system (I use Lumix g9 & both Lumix and Olympus lenses). I recently got a used Panasonic 100-300 for some wildlife hunting and even it is the limit of how heavy I want to carry around and it is crazy light compared to FF versions. My bag is noticeably heavier then with my 45-200 in it.

  • @susanfirth2279
    @susanfirth2279 Před 2 lety +2

    Guess I'm one of those 3 people. LOL. Interesting to hear your thoughts on the Olympus and your choice of lenses. Dare I say it? I'm currently a Canon shooter but have been looking into Olympus. Mainly for wildlife as you like you say Mr. G., they have some really lightweight gear. Loved that 2nd image of the sunrise. Just beautiful. I couldn't agree more, be nicer people....unless invited don't offer critique....great advice.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Susan, if you're looking at Olympus for wildlife, then the ProCapture feature on the EM series of cameras would probably come in very useful. Certainly worth checking out and there are lots of CZcams videos about it. 😊👍

    • @redpillnibbler4423
      @redpillnibbler4423 Před 2 lety

      It’s especially the longer focal length lenses on M43 that are so much smaller and lighter (and often cheaper) than full frame 👍

  • @laurensschaddelee1173
    @laurensschaddelee1173 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks David, as ever enjoyed it. 👍

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Thanks a lot Laurens, really appreciate you tuning in. 😊👍

  • @markhoffman9655
    @markhoffman9655 Před 2 lety +1

    I liked your comments that your camera still fulfills your requirements so not bothering about bigger and better models. A chap I know recently switched from Olympus E-M1 mk3 to a new Sony A for the full frame sensor - however he fully admits the Sony build quality is nowhere near as good as Olympus and is just waiting to see how long until the rain and moisture will wreck it!

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Mark, my Pubcast mates mostly use Sony and they seem pretty good with wind and rain so hopefully he'll be OK. It wouldn't suit me at all though, but if he enjoys his photography hopefully he won't feel it was poor choice. 😊👍

  • @fototripper
    @fototripper Před 2 lety +1

    Some great images there David. You've got a great eye for composition.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Cheers mate, just read this while learning about the 10 second grimace!! 😂👍

  • @1957PLATO
    @1957PLATO Před 2 lety +1

    Enjoyable video with a great message at the end.

  • @mk1photography62
    @mk1photography62 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for another informed video. Second-hand is definitely what I do for cameras and lenses as it's pointless to throw money at the latest and greatest. I am looking to get into bird photography with the Olympus system

  • @MichaelGerrard
    @MichaelGerrard Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks, although it was a long one, it was an insightful one.

  • @inesf04
    @inesf04 Před 2 lety +1

    I was hesitating about my Olympus camera being good enough for landscape photography but after watching your video I realise that it is me that is not good enough at landscape photography yet. I will keep working on it. Thank you. You have a new subscriber cheers.

    • @johnlavin-ford8372
      @johnlavin-ford8372 Před 2 lety

      Lol... I can say the same.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Thank you so much for your kind feedback and being good enough to subscribe. I really appreciate it. I'm sure that you will soon find your Olympus gear will work well in the landscape. As it happens, I do have some more real world tips coming up in my next video which you might find helpful. 😊👍

  • @robingrant8082
    @robingrant8082 Před 2 lety +1

    I enjoyed this Dave, thank you. Your images really are excellent and are always worth another viewing. Kind regards Robin

  • @robinedwards9401
    @robinedwards9401 Před 2 lety

    Definitely worth a click on the “like”button. Your easy going style is very refreshing!

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Many thanks Robin, really appreciate your kind feedback 😊👍

  • @iqueque
    @iqueque Před 2 lety +1

    Loved it, verbalised my thinking exactly. EM5 mk 2 retired, EM1 mk2 my only camera. 12-40, 40-150 and 7-14 all f2.8. About 60% of images shot on the 40-150, 35% on 12-40. The 7-14 mostly only for astro. Just take care of the fussy lenshood on the 40-150, I have had 2 fail, apparently the glue used is suspect. Going to replace it with the new 100-400 lenshood which is a good old fashioned simple job, no fussy retracting mechanisms. Olympus Europe service division has been wonderful, both efficient and fast.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      The first thing I always do when I get a new lens in is ditch the lens hood. I've never used them so no worries about it breaking on me! 😊👍

  • @manuelsjr
    @manuelsjr Před 2 lety +2

    Very interesting video reveling your secrets, buuut If I copy all your equipment, have severals of them, I never get the same image, because photography is more than the equipment. a
    The master is a master.
    Thanks for teach us how you works.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Thanks for watching, Manuel! I don't do many gear videos as it's not really my thing, but I do get asked about it a lot 😊👍

  • @geriesandmann4485
    @geriesandmann4485 Před 2 lety +1

    What a wonderful landscape you live in and such wonderful ‘fairylike’ pictures. I’ve been using Olympus for many years and also the ‘jurassic’ E-1 with only 5 mp but what beautiful colours. My everyday camera is the Em-1 (1) and still my favourite mft camera and use my old FT lenses of which the 50-200 is my alltime favourite. Thank you for your wonderful and practical video’s🙏🏻🍀

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello Gerie, thanks a lot for watching and taking time to make contact. Much appreciated 😊👍

  • @WillieJarlNilsen
    @WillieJarlNilsen Před 2 lety +1

    Some interesting reflections. I use virtually the same equipment. You forgot one important point. We can bring an extra sweater and a thermoflask of coffee and still carry less weight than many who prefer the bigger cameras! Stay safe and have fun.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Good point Willie, I should have thought to mention that! 😊👍

  • @tobyjugg6202
    @tobyjugg6202 Před 2 lety +1

    Many thanks for that explanation DG - much appreciated. I use magnetic too so this now makes sense. Diolch yn fawr.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Croeso, and many thanks for giving me some content ideas for the video! 😊👍

  • @lyndonp3391
    @lyndonp3391 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi David.
    Referring to that last bit.
    Wise words from a wise man..in this case Photographer.
    Basically it just boils down to
    having decent proper moral skills...Principles.
    Not this toxic nonsense that a few use to try and make themselves out to improve their own shortcomings.
    I read so many forums and comments...and just come away in disbelief on how easy people resort to argument and ...absolute bollocks to promote their position...only and just for Arguments sake!.
    It gives me hope there's still the odd sensible fella like you around to calm things down a little.
    Just my twopence worth!.
    By the way...love your Photography.
    👌

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks a lot Lyndon. Luckily there are many many photographers of the same mindset and you and I. Many I'm now pleased to call good friends. Any many acquantances made through the shared enjoyment of photography. We're not a bad old community when it comes down to it! 😊👍

  • @simonharding5696
    @simonharding5696 Před 2 lety +1

    Another great video, sir. I stuck with you until the very end, so I must be one of your three!! 😆 Totally agree with your final sentiments.

  • @nevillewatkins4997
    @nevillewatkins4997 Před 2 lety +1

    Right to the bitter end. 😁 Well, not so bitter perhaps. I got some useful tid bits out of that Dave. I do like the look of that Kase filter system, and wholeheartedly agree with your final point. Mind you, I have to say that. 😀

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hi Neville, many thanks for tuning in. I've certainly found the Kase filters a much easier system to use and carry! 😊👍

  • @davidblack2632
    @davidblack2632 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video on why you shot with MFT. I also shot with Olympus, also for the size advantage. I have upgraded my E-M1 MkII with the E-M1 MkIII. For me it was a nice upgrade. I find the Live ND feature very useful for taking waterfalls and oceans. The improved stabilization has gotten me handholding instead of using a tripod more. The Starry Sky AF really does work great. The 12-100/4.0 is a great one lens solution. The 12-40/2.8 and the 40-150/2.8 are great lenses. My 40-150/42.8 is my most used lens. I have brought the new 8-25/4.0 and it is another great lens. The last few times out I had the 8-25/4.0 and the 40-150/2.8 for a nice two lens solution. The Peak Design tripod is great. I am always amazed at the engineering and design of this tripod. Like always I really enjoy your photos plus your wisdom.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello David, many thanks for watching and taking the time to share your thoughts. I must admit that the live ND feature was something which might have swayed a decision to upgrade, but as that was about the only thing that it had to offer me over the mark two I felt that the investment would've been disproportionate. Also, I had a set of perfectly usable filters in any case. With regards to the new 8-25 I'm certainly looking forward to seeing peoples work using that with a view to an investment perhaps in the New Year ... 😊👍

  • @eltinjones4542
    @eltinjones4542 Před rokem +2

    Some very wise words at the end. I always say that my photography may be rubbish but it's my rubbish ?
    I'm just an enthusiast, so I'm a great beliver in good used equipment that may not be the latest and greatest!
    Finally, Trying to bring out the camera while walking our Border Collie is a no no. He must be observed at all times ! 😹
    Enjoyed your comments 📷👍

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 11 měsíci

      Many thanks for watching. So glad you enjoyed it. And thank you for taking the time to leave a comment 😊👍

  • @garystone6583
    @garystone6583 Před 2 lety +1

    Watched till the end and found it very interesting David
    👍👌

  • @iberiantourist
    @iberiantourist Před 2 lety +2

    Great video and excellent photography. Thanks for the advice and suggestions. Much appreciated. I understand the Olympus MFT dilemma. I've been torn between FF and MFT. I shoot Sony but I can't let go of my Olympus. I am fully emerged and invested in both systems (a7R3 and EM1 Mk3). Again, great photography. I love the composition and the colors. Thanks for sharing and good day from Miami, Florida.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Thanks so much for your generous feedback. So glad you found this interesting 😊👍

    • @cliffday1183
      @cliffday1183 Před 2 lety

      me neither I have Sony A9ii for wildlife and sports and em10ii for general, but thinking of buying ( again) em1ii or iii as an upgrade

  • @ivanmartinphotography
    @ivanmartinphotography Před 2 lety +1

    I've only just discovered your channel and have found you on Instagram also. I look forward to going through your videos over the next few days. I started out with Olympus in 2017 and my main passion is landscape but do like to dabble in all photography styles. All the best from the UK.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Cheers Ivan. Avoid anything earlier than video No 060. The early stuff is truly terrible!! 😂👍

  • @Insolesandlaces
    @Insolesandlaces Před 2 lety +1

    Very interesting and good advice. Good channel to give suggestion of new routes and places to visit. Weight is important to me use similar kit but fuji. All systems are superb these days

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello Andrew, thank you so much for watching and your very generous feedback. You make a really good point about the overall quality of camera systems these days. There is very little to choose between them and it often comes down to personal preference on ergonomics and other factors. 😊👍

  • @italogiardina8183
    @italogiardina8183 Před rokem +1

    The 12-40mm pro lens allows for the macro flash unit to be attached which can be useful to capture exceptionally detailed images of smaller subjects and on the philosophical note: nothing now will matter in a million years, so who cares anyway unless its for shutter stock.

  • @johnbentley1056
    @johnbentley1056 Před 2 lety +1

    Loved the video David and especially the photographs. They certainly challenge the view that M43 images are poor quality. Like you I opted for light weight equipment for hiking. I currently use a Panasonic GX85 (GX80 in the UK) and the Olympus 14-150mm. This lens is virtually glued to my camera and fits nicely in a Crumpler sling bag. I also use the Olympus 75-300mm for wildlife. I used to have the Olympus 9-18mm but this got broken when a heavy wind gust blew my tripod over and smashed the lens. As for peoples views I totally agree. Photography is personal. for me I take photographs for me and thats all I care about. If I get 5 great images in a year that I really like then I am a very happy boy. Most of mine get deleted when I come back. The focus in the outdoors not the images per se. I look forward to your future videos.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello John, thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. You make a really good point about enjoyment of the outdoors and that is something which certainly is uppermost for me when I'm out and about. Even though I rarely go anywhere without a camera but using a lightweight system it's easy to tote it about but not worry too much if it doesn't get used. I think that's a flaw in some photographers' approach to landscapes. Very often a picturesque and atmospheric location doesn't necessarily make for a good photograph. 😊👍

  • @robertocarlosgarciagarcia4520

    Thanks for the last response. Btw, love your videos !! I cannot speak but for my gear (starting the trip of photography) is an Em10mii with 12-50 .. and love it :)

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Roberto, many thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. I think you've made an excellent choice with the EM10. 😊👍

  • @Prashant.Khapane
    @Prashant.Khapane Před 2 lety +1

    enjoy your videos. I'm now leaning towards m43 for mountain outings, let's see.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      I must admit, I was in two minds at the outset but three years on I'm very happy with the decision to switch 😊👍

  • @thomasphillips5850
    @thomasphillips5850 Před rokem +1

    Griff, beautiful images. Super video, very informative, keep up the great work! I have definitely subscribed.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před rokem

      Thank you so much for supporting my channel, I really appreciate it. Hope I'll be able to keep you entertained and informed. 😊👍

  • @helenadams9162
    @helenadams9162 Před 2 lety +1

    Stayed till the end and thoroughly enjoyed it 👌.
    Other people can be so cruel especially when theres an up coming photogropher in the mist.
    Some "professionals" like to play the game of (( my dads bigger than your dad 😡)) and that's the reason I prefer to go out by myself.
    Keep up the good vlogs & looking forward to your " hint" of another mountain one 🙂

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Helen, many thanks for watching and being good enough to comment. I suppose with most pastimes there is an element of snobbery, but with photography I think it is enhanced by the number of competitions available to enter. Not something I do very much other than those where I have a high opinion of the judges credentials! As a semiprofessional my only concern regards to my photography is that my clientele is happy 😊👍

  • @deshill2973
    @deshill2973 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Brilliant talk , grabbed my attention straight away , thinking of switching to the om1 , so torn , mainly used the bigger full frame cameras , but getting older now , can’t decide between the om1 or canon r6 , think you swayed me , brilliant pictures keep up the good work , visiting snowdon in July 😊

  • @davesemmens9496
    @davesemmens9496 Před 2 lety +1

    Tell your Sony mates to look at the Tamron 28-200. 575g and great, great quality. I am that impressed that I sold my 24-70 2.8 GM lens as it just wasn't getting used (and I have the 16-35 to cover the wide range)

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello Dave, they may well find that to be an interesting recommendation to check out. But I think they might appreciate it if you swung by one or two of their channels and left a comment yourself if you haven't already 😊👍

  • @SimonBurnCreative
    @SimonBurnCreative Před 2 lety +3

    Some great advice Dave, particularly about attitudes in photography 👍 Like you, I glaze over when it comes to gear, but I did watch this video in its entirety, because you've always got good and helpful thoughts to share.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Cheers mate, I'd been getting a lot of questions about gear and despite my reservations on doing it so I thought I would just get it out of the way because I'll be using this stuff for a long time and I can always refer people back to this video in future! Also, I've been quite astounded by the reaction to it. Way more views and watch time than I'd anticipated. Usually, gear videos on my channel tend to go largely unnoticed! Anyway, back in the mountains for the next one. 😊👍

  • @geraldbraun6267
    @geraldbraun6267 Před 2 lety +1

    Fantastic images David. I shoot with a used E-M5 and a used 12 to 40 f2.8 and have no interest in purchasing a new camera. I just finished a calendar project and the images are great. Loved the video.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Cheers Gerald, very glad you enjoyed it 😊👍

  • @johnpuzey5803
    @johnpuzey5803 Před 2 lety +1

    Wow I only sent in 3 questions and you addressed them all. A fantastic watch as always and I have to concur with your comments about being nice. As someone who enters my camera club competitions I have found it somewhat demoralising to be told an image of a sunset is no good because of the judge's personal taste and it's is always enlightening to see how the same image is critiqued by different judges. p.s. I had already bought Black Diamond poles ready for my trip to Ynys Mon in two weeks time.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello John, thank you so much for your questions. They gave me plenty to work with to bring together a, hopefully, enjoyable video. 😊👍

  • @p.io7
    @p.io7 Před 2 lety +1

    It is a very interesting selection of lenses. Currently I'm using 12-50mm for my landscape photography and was thinking to replace it with 12-100 eventually but size and price was keeping me back. For some reason I totally neglected 14-150 option, but now I'll give it another thought. I also have 75-300 wich I don't plan to replace it yet.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Hello Pavel, thank you ever so much for watching. I'd certainly recommend you try and get your hands on the 14-150 and try it out. I think you'll be really pleased with the quality and it weighs little more than the 12-50 😊👍

  • @Rbrocklehurst
    @Rbrocklehurst Před 2 lety +1

    rely like the talk photos thank you love that bit at the end sharing photo attitude of photo graphy

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety

      Thanks so much Russ, really appreciate your generous feedback 😊👍

  • @tonytwyman
    @tonytwyman Před 2 lety +2

    Great video....stayed to the end 🙂

  • @burtjake4137
    @burtjake4137 Před 2 lety +1

    I really enjoyed this video found it very interesting thank you Burt

  • @GreenMorningDragonProductions

    24:06 I appreciate such an extensive and instructive answer. I plan to do a vlog series about the Miura peninsula, so want to take some stills that present its size, shape and contours. But as you say, a twenty-odd mile long chersonese is a tricky thing to capture (26 miles in the case of Miura - a marathon-sized length - hey, there's an idea!). Mind you, Miura is absolutely dwarfed by the two peninsulae that flank it (Boso and Izu, respectively). Your various pics of the Llŷn peninsula have given me plenty of ideas to go forward with. Thank you for spending a decent chunk of your clip taking the time to share your thoughts and images. Much appreciated. Oh, by the way, I got the idea for my channel name, by looking at a relief map of Japan - I do have terrible eyesight, but to me it looks like a dragon, sitting there in the ocean :) Johnny.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello Johnny, sorry I was at a bit of a loss as to your gender! Anyway, I think you've hit the nail on the head with a "series" project. Picking out and working on the highlights will be much more rewarding for you and your audience. 😊👍

  • @peterkennington1043
    @peterkennington1043 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi Dave, very interesting video, for the same reasons as you describe I use the Lumix GX8 and the Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8. I also rarely use it open at f/2.8 but I find at f/6.3 I get nice sharp, crisp images.

    • @lyndapassey2752
      @lyndapassey2752 Před 2 lety

      This is really helpful to know you use F6.3 to get crisp images. I’ve been using Lumix GX9 and been successful with good focussed shots. I chose Olympus OMD 1 Mk 11 over Lumix G9 due to price and have really struggled to get sharp images. I heard another MFT photographer on CZcams say he uses F4 as a landscape photographer. I’ve been going with F9 and F11 like other landscape photographers use but they don’t have MFT systems. I didn’t realise the difference between the two systems and choice of aperture. Thank you for your comment.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello Peter, something that I often mention on my channel is using the "sweet spot" focal length of any lens and it's one of the first things I check out when I get one so I know where I will get the best results. That said, of course, I'll always override that if the image I'm looking to create requires a wider or longer focal length as the artwork always outweighs the technical aspect for me. 😊👍

    • @peterkennington1043
      @peterkennington1043 Před 2 lety

      @@DGriffGallery Yes of course Dave, I'm with you in that respect. f/6.3 is my go to setting but I will change that depending on the subject and artistic expression I envisaged.

  • @RobOutenPhotography
    @RobOutenPhotography Před 2 lety +1

    Always watch to the end Mate and your final point is so true. Encouragement and helpful advice is more beneficial than outright criticism. We are all on a learning journey and the best way to learn is to watch and listen to quality advice........ that's why I listen to you and not Gary, 😂😂, only joking!!
    Thanks for sharing Mate and take care, 👍📸

  • @kapilbhallafoto
    @kapilbhallafoto Před 2 lety +2

    Enjoyed that

  • @johnlavin-ford8372
    @johnlavin-ford8372 Před 2 lety +1

    Dave, sorry Mr G!, I love listening to your sensible advice on gear. I 100% agree..... Unfortunately for me, depending on requirements, I use Olympus, Panasoni, Nikon and Leica. OMG what a bafoon!.... I just love it all.
    When I was paid as a pro in mid 80s to 90s I solely used Nikon F100 and F5.... But since the digital age I just love it ALL.
    I also have to totally agree with your comment on making videos. Although I want to make loads to pop up on CZcams I feel its killing the moment for me. I would rather focus on taking photographs and enjoying the moment.

    • @DGriffGallery
      @DGriffGallery  Před 2 lety +1

      Hello John, as it happens my channel will be taking a slightly different direction from the next video which should be out shortly. I'm certainly going to be concentrating a great deal more on the Photography and whilst I'll still be making videos the basis on which they are put together will change dramatically for the most part ... 😊👍