‘Why Haven’t the Democrats Completely Cleaned the Republicans’ Clock?’
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- Political analysts used to say that the Democratic Party was riding a demographic wave that would lead to an era of dominance. But that “coalition of the ascendant” never quite jelled. The party did benefit from a rise in nonwhite voters and college-educated professionals, but it has also shed voters without a college degree. All this has made the Democrats’ political math a lot more precarious. And it also poses a kind of spiritual problem for Democrats who see themselves as the party of the working class.
Ruy Teixeira is one of the loudest voices calling on the Democratic Party to focus on winning these voters back. He’s a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and the politics editor of the newsletter The Liberal Patriot (www.liberalpatriot.com/) . His 2002 book, “The Emerging Democratic Majority (www.simonandschuster.com/book...) ,” written with John B. Judis, was seen as prophetic after Barack Obama won in 2008 with the coalition he’d predicted. But he also warned in that book that Democrats needed to stop hemorrhaging white working-class voters for this majority to hold. And now Teixeira and Judis have a new book, “Where Have All the Democrats Gone?: The Soul of the Party in the Age of Extremes (us.macmillan.com/books/978125...) .”
In this conversation, I talk to Teixeira about how he defines the working class; the economic, social and cultural forces that he thinks have driven these voters from the Democratic Party; whether Joe Biden’s industrial and pro-worker policies could win some of these voters back, or if economic policies could reverse this trend at all; and how to think through the trade-offs of pursuing bold progressive policies that could push working-class voters even further away.
Mentioned:
“‘Compensate the Losers?’ Economic Policy and Partisan Realignment in the U.S. (www.nber.org/system/files/wor...) ”
Book Recommendations:
Political Cleavages and Social Inequalities (www.hup.harvard.edu/books/978...) , edited by Amory Gethin, Clara Martínez-Toledano, and Thomas Piketty
Visions of Inequality (www.hup.harvard.edu/books/978...) by Branko Milanovic
The House of Government (press.princeton.edu/books/har...) by Yuri Slezkine
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.
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This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.
I love how Ezra throws punches then says “let’s not get bogged down” when he gets a little push back
hes a moron
never trust a lying cheating demo crap
It cries out, even as it strikes you.
Enjoyed this awkward conversation. My gut says I need to have more of these myself.
Our parents got greedy, and put their retirement in the hands of pension funds and hedge funds. Overtime shareholders got preferred over the economic prosperity of the workers. They gutted education and healthcare. Now we are all in constant stress with the biggest economy in the world.
When the five richest people in the world have doubled their wealth in the last _four years,_ while _five billion_ people have become poorer, it isn't a lack of money in the world, it's politics.
Please stop the simplistic generational warfare cant. Personally, I’m going to be depending on social security when I retire (probably at 70), after paying into the system my entire life. The opinion you just voiced originated in right-wing think tanks as a strategy for creating the intergenerational enmity necessary to undermine support for Social Security and Medicare, with the ultimate goal of terminating them. Don’t be a pawn in their game (… of course, maybe you’re one of them … are you?). Edit: P.S. I work in health care, and I’m still paying off educational loans, so I’m hardly sympathetic to gutting health care and education.
Now, the 2024 election may see our Social Security and Medicare go into the same hands, in the name of more profits. We have lost our way in the name of greed.😢
You made some good points, and I was glad to see you understand how the American public is being manipulated and most don't even realize it. For me what has helped was joining the military. It made it possible for me to buy my first house, get my BS degree, provided me with an understanding how the world works and provided job opportunities I probably would not have been given. Now I am 68 and retired and living comfortably on my SS and pension. I like SS but I also know that for a person to live on it today you needed to have a good steady paying wage.@@vinista256
BTW, I'm curious to hear more about YOUR parents, specifically. Why don't you tell us about them? 🤔
i think one part of the problem we have is our lack of institutional memory. i grew up in a culture that disappeared ages ago with the collapse of the steel industry. the folks i remember in my white working class neighborhood had the good life that these days can only be dreamt about. but of course the dark side of that period is the jim crow discrimination and the suffocating conventions that drove people to drink and smoke themselves to death. i believe that the good parts of that time should be studied and remembered and breathed back to life, and i deeply regret that that isn't happening.
"Suffocating conventions"? Do you mean societal norms and expectations? Im sure there's various parts of that we wouldn't want back, however at this point i feel like theres little to nothing left of a social fabric and thats at the root of a lot of our issues.
b/c MOST Americans are no longer BUYING what they're trying to SELL them.
Taylor Swift beat you. Get over it 💖
Exactly...Weak, pathetic creeps..
Pirate Radio
Could you explain what Democrats are selling and no one is buying? I say this at a time when Democrats have been crushing Republicans in every election since Trump stumbled on the scene. Trump was a fluke of an over confident media and electorate.
That won't happen again.
Why not? Any policy that benefits them the most should be obviously the one to vote for, right?
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 democratic policies don't benefit the working class, mass immigration lowers wages
This guest really is only slightly to the right of me. The guest understands how many people can't tell the difference between "policy" and "attitudes."
Or even spell the words.
When the choice is always a matter of the lesser of two evils, neither clock will ever be cleaned.
I have yet to understand just where the" two evils" qualification came from. Please define .
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 Did you happen to read the title of the video we're commenting on, or you just blindly wandered in?
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 the argument is republicans and democrats are both bad but the left still says they will vote democrat even though they don't have anything in common with the democrats or like their policy....so obviously their policy won't change.
The moderator needs to actually leave his bubble and talk to working class people. He doesn't have a clue and his ignorance is obvious.
the working class is irrelevant to them, unfortunately.
Wow!
What exactly doesn't he get?
This is a question I often ask myself only with the parties reversed.
Today's class divide is not defined by income or education but by allegiances. It needs redefining to acknowledge people's attitudes to other people whomwsoever they may be. The people who are fearful of abiding with other people and those who are joyous about abiding with other people. Those who feel that others need controlling and those that do not feel that others need that constraint.
I agree in a sense about the allegiance. The left has allegiance to foreign people in the most literal sense and antipathy to their native countryman.
Further clarification needed. Too ambiguous.
I agree. Some people have allegiance to their country and their people. Other people have allegiance to foreign people.
no, its by class and education. The corporate masters in both parties do their best to obscure this.
How is climate not important to nearly everything? Food supplies, immigration, national security. All of these will be affected.
if sea levels are going to rise and swallow the coastlines why are the elites that push this idea buying beach front homes? seems a bit odd to me...
Climate is the number one issue in the world.
Our Republican brothers and sisters have been under a barrage of propaganda for the past 30 years. Starting with the rise of talk radio and Fox Cable, our media landscape is destroying any ability to have a rational conversation about any serious topic.
Our country needs to find a balance that doesn't accept outright lies in media.
A country can not survive with this many lies being pumped into the countries psyche.
If right wing media is allowed to lie, our country will be less effective on all fronts.
The right-wing is the most destructive in our country destroying the foundation of everything this country holds dear
Maybe everything, but not everyONE. Things don't vote. People do. Not many people, for better or worse, really give a shit about Climate Change, as it's seen to be so far into the future. Sorry, just political reality.
@@joescott8877
Everyone will be affected by climate change. people with money don't have any special dispensation. They live on the earth.
Because nobody believes the climeate alarmists after decades of false predictions
Because not every citizen wants the government for a parent.
Democrats need to be told what to do every step of the way. Thinking for themselves is out of the question. Literally like little lost lemmings...
Why arent they more corrupt that they already are?
Excellent discussion. I was just listening to the progression here of gay rights, gay right to marry, and now the perception of policy at this date on transgender issues. The key word is progression. And, how do you reflect that through policy.
Every change took a progression. One party may have more input at any time. There is a voice that results in voters affected, so the tug of war happens. But in the end there is some equilibrium hopefully, and new questions fleshing it out naturally occurs. Some people cannot just get around a live & let live idea. All that has to work out, sometimes by laws.
Change is what causes all the chaos until more people on board in some way begins to change a narrower perspective. I am confused why the discussion discounts the battles and the resulting social confusion as atypical. This was America’s strength yet those who haven’t studied at higher institutions could hardly see that conclusion. This is why YOU as mouthpieces could educate by helping to form the words needed to understand what is going on and why participation and critical thought is the strength we all can have.
With respect to the economics discussion, when most people evaluate whether the economy is doing well or poorly, they are not doing so based on broad-scale economic policy, such as job growth or infrastructure investment or the stock market. They are doing this based on how hard it is for them to budget every month and inflation has a strong effect on that. However, the culture wars aspect is far more powerful in alienating voters because it stops being about policy prescriptions and starts being about identity. You're bad because you're X identity rather than we disagree about the percentage of taxes; and nobody enjoys being told that they're a bad person for biologically-determined reasons.
This guest did a much better job of explaining all of this than J.D. Vance did. Everyone across the political spectrum needs to listen to this podcast.
Chris,.
I don't think the Democrats are losing ground because they are too radical. The opposite is probably true.
The only thing that was too much was "defund the police".
The point is our police are becoming far too powerful for a democratic society. Of course the public has misunderstood the entire dialogue. Democrats are not radical enough on the issue that white working class people are mostly interested in.
That would be pensions, health care, and education.
If Democrats were very radical on those three topics, a Republican would never win another election.
I don’t know where to lay this comment so I am going to generalize it. Both parties have positions or make public statements based partially in reaction to the other. I doubt that most state legislators wanted to end up in stupid corners of opinion re trans issues but they were reacting to the other party. Your guest talked about trans issues as if the Dems got in this cultural mess alone! I could speak from the other side too but to not see the flow of positions as being interactive is an error. Signed ‘an old woman raised on welfare who went to college when it was more affordable’.
Bravo! So did I, on scholarships and grants ! They are still available to everyone.
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I can give you a perfect example of what is happening, I am a retired New York City worker, which is probably 90% Democrats, the last two mayors, who were Democrats are trying to force us to take Medicare advantage, they are working with the unions to basically take away our Medicare by not paying for a secondary insurance which they agreed to do when we took the job, what Democratic Party would ever work with an insurance company to screw over their workers? No doctors want Medicare advantage half of doctors will not accept it, it is terrible and it is a scam and Democrats are pushing it on us so if that isn’t what’s going on in a nutshell, I don’t know what to tell you. These people are very old and sick in New York City is not offering them secondary insurance which they could. It is very affordable for the city to do but individually it is very expensive for somebody. That’s been retired for many years.
❤ This interview ❤
You're not going to win the working class using words like nihilistic and salient.
And that's the take.
Those aren't big words. We (the working class) are not all stupid. The DNC doesn't win because it doesn't support our interests or even listen to us. That's my take.
Yeah us rubes just don't understand big complicated words like that....Jesus.
...and that's a pity. Everyone should at least be capable of looking words up...and want to. Curiosity is a great virtue!
@@blnunya6689
Thank you...smart big Rube!
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 Because working class people aren't curious and are incapable of using a dictionary?
Listening from Australia, does the author analyse who funds and owns each politician?
Identity politics seems to deliberately distract from common cause issues for people at the bottom of the pecking order.
Don't know, but the New York Times _relentlessly_ magnifies these distractions.
You think there's a difference between Democrats and Republicans???
Ha!!!!!!
down with the Democratic Party! Down with the oligarchical elites!
🤔 … umm, the Democrats didn’t vote for a tax cut that disproportionately benefits millionaires and billionaires … 🤷🏻♀️.
Down with dumbness and those who use it to perpetually hold the working class down .
I’m shocked at how reasonable this guest is on his way of evaluating leftist policies and its failures on DEI and trans rights. You can hear that even Ezra has a hard time listening to his biases be challenged, but that’s precisely the problem in this party, and conversations like this are a step toward the solution
Pretty sure Ezra is just hoping he doesn't say anything too offensive on his podcast lol. 😂
"Leftist" policies? To the rest of the sane world those (policies) are conservative, if only because they ensure the peace, and civil rights, and obviate the need for revolution. Don't forget, America's "center" has been pushed to the right by the relentless republican scandal-making machine.
1:30 oh hey look Ezra is talking about that white supremacist conspiracy theory that isn't happening
Isn't it?
It’s only happening if you approve of it. If you object then the media officially declares it a conspiracy theory.
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 Not when Ezra says it.
I thought Ezra's pushback against "Woke-ish" policies was apt and valuable (Paraphrasing: "Well, many things that are now mainstream, like Gay Marriage Rights, were at one time feared by many Democrats to be potential election-losers"), but Ruy Teixeira here, and James Carville and others elsewhere, are spot on to insist that SOME such ideas are indeed just daffy, full stop. Like having bio males allowed to own records while competing against bio females. Like no bail, evah. Indefensible, and hardly vote-getters.
What is considered "moderate" in the political system of the United States, is "right-wing" in politically more sophisticated countries.
LMFAO fuck you. Left wing is communist in this country.
Dems are party of elites
People keep saying “democracy” but understand that this is from the far left to the far right. Everyone has a voice and we can strongly disagree but it is NOT A part of the above. It’s everyone and hopefully we Educate the extremes into the center.
Look at Massachusetts. FLOOD the state and then hotels are full of disgruntled migrants who don’t have cars and homes and work so it’s a perfect recipe for whatever R rated online money making or drugs or other criminality that is not the norm by ANY means but is too high. My family has had deaths and ODs and non functional young people to the extreme, all sons of migrants.
Texiera's prediction in 2002 was grossly off the mark. It was also oversimplified by the Dems and used as shield and an excuse for inaction. Basically, "all we have to do is wait for these demographics to mature. They'll vote for us just like their parents." We all saw how that went. This guy has a long hard climb to rebuild his credibility.
Which guy?
@sar 1:30 ahhearn-vonfoerster7401 Ruy Texiera
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 Ruy Texiera
Marx and Engels class definitions remain the "gold" standard. The professional managerial class is todays' petty bourgeoisie. PMCs' self identify. One doesn't need an overthought, complex book to understand that. Or a condescending discussion like this one. Peace out.!
Absolutely, working class people aren't stupid they know that this party is shit. People who support either of the two parties are in the minority since roughly 50% of the US population identifies as independent. The idea that the DNC has a "soul" is laughable liberal idealism as is so much of this discussion.
I agree....we, as a society, should be elevating the electorate's education levels, not lowering the standards of our leadership. This is not acceptable.
Holy shit. A reasonable comment under the NYT comments section?
There is no more "managerial" class.
They're getting rid of Managers in between the executive level and the local level.
There's the elites and everyone else.
You can't even call them "managers" in a metaphorical sense because they're terrible at it.
A delusional lefty millionaire.
who? Klein or Texiera? Far as I know, neither is a millionaire. Neither is very far Left either.
The current econ under Biden is not good btw. Have u been to a store or tried to buy a house lately etc
compare our inflation to literally any other country
Inflation in the US was better than almost every other developed nation.
We've posted all time highs for the stock market for like 2 years straight.
Wages have grown relative to inflation for a year
You're living in a vibes based world that is not connected to the stats.
The economy is objectively doing well (though there are dark clouds still on the horizon) but the economy feels bad because prices went up and are staying up. Staying up equals no inflation now.
@@vickiehow- median wage growth has actually increased relative to inflation
@@blitz8425 Bah - what have mere facts got to do with it?
Pointing to things like the Civil Rights act as something that was radical at its time and consensus now is always an easy argument. At that point where do you go? Seemingly radical and controversial policies might someday become good or the consensus so we should....?
joe biden and the dems sponsored and supported jim crow...
What in the hell happened to the Democratic party?😢
They purged everyone with an ounce of effectiveness or empathy because they suspected them of being communists.
TDS.
Snopes says Ezra is engaging in a racist conspiracy theory
Reuben
The problem is Ezra isn't talking about race.
I don't know what you or Snopes are talking about.
In this conversation they are talking about why the working class has fallen away from Democrats.
The biggest reason the white working class fell away is racism.
The Republicans party has been good at one thing and that is stirring up underlying racism. The election of Barack Obama triggered that racism and the Republicans took advantage of Americans racism.
Could you explain what you are talking about?
He’s talking about something that is officially a racist conspiracy theory that definitely isn’t happening if you notice it and object but is a totally natural and positive development and is definitely happening if you notice it and approve.
This host is the most racist person I have ever heard. Mind blowing.
Great conversation. I completely agree that both parties have been captured and are struggling to change even though the necessity to change is obvious to all but the most fervent activists. I think this gets resolved when one party gets tired of the consequences of losing elections. Trump and Biden were reactions to voters getting tired of the consequences of losing elections. I have no idea what post Trump politics looks like. There will be a realignment. I just don't know what that is.
I loved the discussion. One deficiency is that, despite Ezra' Kleins heroic efforts, Ruy Teixeira did not offer any substantive distinction between the politics of gay marriage and that of transgenderism. Both started out as politically toxic, and even I thought (mistakenly) that it was far too premature to push for marriage equality, yet it became a non-issue within 4 years. It certainly is far from evident that tacking right on policy is a win, whereas maybe a series of strategic but hollow Sistah Soljah rhetorical faux dog whistles might suffice to diffuse/appease white working class angst. A perfect example is in the 2024 SOTU address where (and I'm not saying this was intentional, but nevertheless may have the same effect) Biden used "illegal" as a noun, and then (in a much smaller audience interview) corrected the "misstatement" to "undocumented", then (more publicly) denied having apologized. Swing voters would at most have seen the first and third, and the base would have been placated by the second.
Pretty hard to advance much with the old sod we have as President
1930-1970
Long time ago my dad explained this to me from a white working class pount if view. You may think its "racist", and it might be but its also true.
Well the college professors and lawyers avout broke their arms patting themselves on the back for affirmative action. Well why not? They wont have to pay the price. Working class white people paid for it. If all the black people were college professors and lawyers affirmative action would never have passed. And now if I'm not happy getting screwed, im a racist.😕
“You may think it’s racist and it IS but it’s also true.”
“not happy getting screwed, I’m a racist.”
Who is screwing you? Blacks? White college professors? Democrats? Independents? The Queen of England. Is there a pattern to be found here?
I’m not quite following you-working class jobs at sh¡t wages have always been available to Black people and, believe it or not, that fact has historically driven down wages for EVERYONE in the working class. Affirmative action has actually been most successful at opening up opportunities for people of diverse backgrounds in the professions and academia. What you say makes no sense.
It is natural to think "if they're doing better then I must be doing worse". The problem is that you're doing worse whether or not anyone else is doing better, because you believe this. It is also natural for some asshole billionaire to think "when our customers and employees believe the problem is a boogeyman, literally anything other than the horseshit way I conduct my enterprise, I thus increase my own company's stock value and pay the dividends to myself." Three decades prior we would hold the most egregious monopolistic and harmful conduct to account; today these enterprises have psyops tools at their disposal that render us incapable of fighting back.
You do show tinges of racism, dear....and I am not a professor, etc,, but very well educated, as anyone should have the right to be in this country, but does not.
@@niceride
They are called Republicans, by and large. We need more billionaire Democrats to prove we can do it, too, and still care about the working classes.
Can we define "Professionals" here in the beginning of the video? Teachers? Nurses? Social Workers? Restaurant wokers?
People respond to their perception of the economy. Many of them believe in supply side & easily get distracted by Republican pundents it doesn't work due to immigrants or Democratic corruption.
Ruy Teixeira all too often talks through his backside.
i've never listened to this show before. but this guy isn't listening and absorbing what the guest is saying. because of that this isn't a discussion. which is sad because its a discussion that needs to occur.
Lost me at 40 in. Guy has no idea about the realities of trans issues in the political debate but he just assumes that the reactionary frame is valid. It's one thing to say that Dems don't communicate well on these matters but this is beyond that.
Trans rights are a bourgeois privilige that, in large, disgusts the majority of working class folks.
I'm sure it's buried somewhere in the cold cold heart of this analysis but there is right and wrong in the world and it needs to be articulated every day. We all need to decide what is right and what is wrong what is true and what is false and our decisions need to be based on this and not on a cold political calculation of what might be best tomorrow to get the most votes.
Ruy Texeira is a very smart guy, and I'm very thankful that Democrats aren't listening to him and are instead going all out on endless wars, contempt for the working class, open borders and transgenderism.
Yeah they will just double down and soon will endorse MAPs
Both parties are dysfunctional and controlled by the fringes and out of touch billionaires. There is currently no centrist option that can allow people to get on with their lives and not fear the next government or a potential civil war of ideas.
don't forget destroying the economy in their pretense of being able to fix world climate
You are myopic!
@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 nah he’s wise
At the 34 min mark - Higher wages remark discounted & ignored by Ezra. It's not magic, Ezra.
Democrats are expected to deliver our social programs. Republicans deliver corporate wishlists. Dems have left behind our citizen's welfare starting with Clinton & NAFTA. Policy krap is not the issue. Wages ARE !!!
Giving worker a nickel and giving corporations back RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT tax credits is skewed.
I have to say that Texeira is really just making caricatures of otherwise serious issues. I think that, even when discussing the academic or campus left, that there's an important distinction that a lot of people fail to make. There's one part of the academic left that are a bunch of hyped up college kids who go wild with various concepts and ideas that they don't really understand. That's typically where you get statements like there is no such thing as biological sex. On the other hand, there are serious academic professionals who are looking at issues like structural racism or gender identity and actually doing serious work. Gender is complicated; someone with androgen insensitivity can have a completely female face and figure (sometimes even exageratedly so, very curvaceous and feminine) and still have testicles. That's a real thing. Normally women have XX chromasomes and men have XY, but some are born XXY. It's called klinefelter's syndrome. MRKH can lead to an XY female with no uterus. Bodies are wierd and different sometimes, and the fact is that there really are some people who genuinely do have a mental gender that doesn't match their physical gender. It's been observed in human culture for thousands of years. Those people are not just saying "Well, guess I'm gonna be a girl today." No, it's a real thing, for a small section of the population. On the one hand it's silly to say that this applies to everyone, but it's cruel to tell these few people that they don't exist. As for climate, he's just way off the ball. Whether people like it or not, if we don't do something about this issue billions of people are going to have their lives affected, and not in a good way.
Because Dominion is counting the votes 😊
Of course...we all know that!
And with the FBI's help, Dems are a shoo-in.
Just an addendum to your description of Barack Obama as somehow coming out of the Black church. He and his wife did attend a Black church in the Chicago suburbs for a while, but he had no experience like that growing up. He grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia, raised by his white grandparents and his white mother, who was an anthropologist.
But I'd also like to ask why the general tone of this conversation - and others I listen to - is so negative about Biden and about the Democratic Party,. Somehow the fact that Biden has already won the Presidency once - by seven million votes - does not seem like a compelling piece of data. But I wish it was compelling to many more people!
more people voted for biden then were registered to vote... easy to win when you cheat
It's not compelling because the FBI interfered in the 2020 election.
nikos Kazanzakis wrote, "No Hope, No fear, I am Free". we exist within impermanence, trying to make anything permanent is Folly. Suicide is an act based on Hate and ignorance, not Wisdom.
Ugh. The constant invocations of a gender abolitionist straw-man were professionally lazy and brazenly dishonest.
Also, the vague "equality of outcome" talking point is beyond stale and debunked.
This guy does too much Koch. He needs to take a break from the Koch and formulate honest analysis.
"does too much Koch" 👏🤣 Nice!
Ezra does too much Klaus (Schwab).
🆘️🇺🇸 Great "feakin" QUESTION !!
VOTE BLUE !!!!! 💙💙💙💙💙
The dominant economic theory of the last 25 years has been variations of Reagan’s “trickle down” policies. Low low taxes, corporate welfare, exporting of jobs in the promise that more new jobs will be crated than were exported. Most of this has been proved BS for the “working class”. In most recent times, it’s not just the “working class”, now it’s the entire middle class. The division is income levels. Not race, not geographic, not blue collar bs white collar, not religious vs non-religious. The issue is purely economic and Republican policies that have given incredible corporate and wealthy welfare. The rest of this is a red herring.
Yes comrade. Another view is that corporatism and regulatory capture replaced the free market in many areas leaving too little room for upstarts overthrowing incumbents. That's true for the political parties, banks, energy, etc.
No democrats had a hand in any of the stuff you mentioned? What did Clinton do economy wise?
It's pretty factual that all economies under Democrats have done better than under Republicans since Ronald Reagan. However Clinton's policies were very much Republican policies because after he had a Republican Congress he worked with them unfortunately from my point of view.@@chickenfishhybrid44
I grew up a centrist Democrat. Take care of the folks. Unions. No war. Environment. Women’s rights. Public welfare. But we got addicted to sugar and junk food which KILLED Medicare and 1/4 of the ENTIRE budget. We got in war after war after war. We built suburban sprawl which as in 1800s analysis DID alienate us from each other.
WE did all that alone...I don't think so!😊
Educated progressive people know everyone is safer, better, happier, with more equal, balanced, societies. This includes many of the "thinking" rich.
The other side, less-informed, educated, plus greedy, gouging rich, have an unholy alliance with a solid racist base (of all colours!) TFG simply allowed this side out in the open.
The above is an oversimplified but important fact.
IMHO.
The whole discussion, including much this simple engineer struggled with, was a multi-faceted look at current US politics from some unusual sides. Surprised to find Fetterman view on Israel I also agree with. It is existential; despite Bibi Netanyahu being a criminal.
Always rewarding, stretching my ideas; thank you.
Nobody likes your divisive comment.
What I think is missing in this discussion is how propaganda via media and social media has skewed many working class voters opinions. In particular, how those working class voters who have shifted to the right consume right wing media which is often intrinsically filled with propaganda, and how this influences their beliefs.
As opposed to the non-propaganda in left-leaning media. That's like saying "I don't have an accent. Y'all just speak funny". We generally don't notice the bias of content we agree with.
but left wing propaganda is ok ? LOL
Oh the irony...
@ramrao668 the authoritarian leftist not only have a huge propaganda arm with their complete control of the so-called mainstream media, they also have a massive censorship arm with an alliance of government and Big Tech. Yeah, but we need to fear a few independant voices who are constantly demonitized, criminalized by a rogue DOJ and FBI, and under constant threat of Soros funded lawsuits.
Exhibit A of the issue lmao. "The voters are just broken" or its literally anything but us and our message.
Even though u can make more now without a degree if u get the right job and go to a trade school and it doesn't take 4 yrs either. Talk to mike rowe on that. He knows what hes talking about
I'm of the belief that neither the US-Mexico border, nor the Russia-Ukraine border should exist. I am politically homeless.
So you want more Ukrainians raped and murdered? Jeez. Firstly you need to learn the history of that region and not the mainstream message that the Kremlin has been pushing since 1721
You want world government or anarchy v. countries with borders enacting their own laws in their existing citizens interest?
@@chrisruss9861 yes, world government, unironically. The nation state is the enemy of a common human future. All the human-originated crises in the news today stem from people clinging to, defending, aspiring to have/change their flags and borders in some way shape or form. It's telling that it's the older generations that venerate borders to a level that countenances killing and dying for them. Younger people mostly don't care. (A few demented freaks still volunteer for military service, but the vast majority can't be bothered, whether in the US, Russia or China). The tide is turning. History moves on. The nation state was born with the advent of the printing press, now it's dying before our eyes with the rise and flowering of the internet.
I don't know why you had this guest on or what value you thought you could derive from conversing with him, but I found his entire contribution infuriatingly superficial and blithe. I am glad you pushed back a little, but I lost faith in the first 35 minutes that you could get anything useful and concrete out of him. Your general judgment that the public is incapable of truly and correctly judging the economic policies of an administration is on the right track. All the people want is to be told that they are not responsible for their situation or their choices and that a different magic wand than the one currently in action is to be elevated to power.
The guy he's interviewing sounds like a conservative to me. Or just old idk. The main things he's worried about i.e. trans rights "concerns" have been consistent political winners
By all means, move your political message from "a chicken in every pot" to "a chemical castration for every kid". You're right, he's just oooooold, and unlike 13-year-olds, doesn't know what he's talking about.
Why discount your fellow Americans concerns by putting "concerns" in quotation marks?
good question. Iirc I was quoting him, but regardless, it's language that I've seen people use to couch distaste for, and genuine bigotry towards, trans people in. I put "concerns" in quotes because the concern in question comes across as disingenuous to me. I'd have to watch the video again to know if I still feel that way about what the guy was saying but I probably won't
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Obummer had a big hand in this mess and hes super divisive in lots of ways. Hillary, Biden. Etc
Divisive? Bro he sacrificed a super majority on the altar of compromise, the dude Drone striked more Middle easterners and deported more ppl just to coddle the right, and this is how he's remembered lmao.
Moderation seems worthless tbh
As opposed to Trump who unified the country? Come on. Obama wasn't an effective President but his message was generally very much about unity. His economic response on the other hand was courtesy of Goldman Sachs.
Gee, Mr. Teixeira is obsessed with gender affirming care...
@tomasprimo5815 He's not obsessed, but he IS exposing lies. There is no real science behind it. He's correct to say it's harming the democratic party (and harming children). Many people don't understand true science (which is often misreported in media).
Here we go
Stop funneling kids into the pharmaceutical-industrial complex, using propaganda to create lifelong income streams.
Even though dems say crime is down when its not and we all know it
The Dems I've heard talk about crime specifically say violent crime is down which is true. it's a bit lower than what it was in 2019. What I've noticed is that people on the other side just ignore the distinction and change the phrase to "all crime" I watched one guy who, when given the fact that violent crime was down and didn't want to acknowledge it, turned it into "yeah but car jacking is up". That's true, but not part of the violent crime number. "Everyone" cherry picks the data that suits their agenda so they can manipulate you into being on their team.
is the crime in the room with you right now
Your arguments suck.
the guest needs to get his definition of equity vs equality. he thinks equity is about equality of outcome but that's just 100% backwards. he's also rather transphobic and thinks democratic failures are in part due to Dylan mulvaney? clown show of an episode.
Good illustration of what he’s trying to say.
Dems pushing the "trans kids" agenda turns off a lot of voters.
I do not hear recognition of the role of racism. Trump harnessed this racism.
I mean that would derail mr think tank’s argument so
Exactly. 1/3 of the way through this podcast and not a peep.
Each voter gets one vote. A person who tends to be swayed towards racist ideas isn't born a racist. Instead they are influenced. If the political policy focus is on more important and relevant issues such as education, jobs, the economy and unifying themes then the racist element of that voter's brain isn't getting much space for stimulation. On the other hand, focus on the issues of identity and not on the issues of services available to all then the voter will get stimulated by that nasty bias. Thinking otherwise is not understanding a broad sweep of history and what has been achieved in democratic nations around the world.
@@jamesmullins668139:30 is the first that it's mentioned but are you saying Americans are racist so Dems can't dominate? Wut?
@@joythought People default to their biases regardless of the circumstances they were born into. People are swayed and influenced because they are automatons. They lack freewill and independent thinking. Political hacks like the GOP feed off these people.