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“ I like to say clips instead of magazines. I do that a lot, because it irritates people and that’s kind of fun“. 😂🤣 I knew there was another reason besides his tremendous shooting and teaching ability that I like Ben. Sometimes busting balls and stirring the pot is just…well, fun!
@@Floridaman855 😂🤣
I really hate the "magazine vs. clip" and "suppressor vs. silencer" crap so much. There's so many outdated terms we use for other things that no one cares about, but all of a sudden when it comes to guns people make a big deal about it.
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@@pizzaduder 😂
0:36 You can see the pain in his eyes 😂
And 5:43. Hilarious!
Ben was reading my email. Much thanks to Ben!
The part about disowning the guy who says clips was supposed to be a young in cheek joke. Maybe it didn’t come across that way.
I have received in person as well as digital training do things differently. It is a real paradigm shift to see a world champion shooter say everything I have been doing is wrong!
Edit: I meant to say tongue in cheek!
Thank you for sharing the technique. I used to pull the slide every time I pressed the trigger for dry firing, but I will try this way now
Great video! Thank you very much for sharing this. I wish I knew this and known your books like a year ago. I think - but I definitely might be wrong - most people are confused and want to know right away what it is that they are doing wrong. When you dry fire and you are new to guns you want to avoid mistakes and bad habits you seek every single thing that could help you. You went to range and shot 100 rounds slowly but you know nothing or nearly nothing about why it was that your shots went where they went. So you seek "help" for the dryfire. And when you find the dryfiremag and Mantis sensor it seems like a technology that could help you, it seems like you are being given hard data without doing loud bangs. And people - at the time - don't know if it really helps them or not. But I guess that the style of: "do the dryfire for a week, then go to the range and assess, change the dryfire, rinse and repeat" seems like it is too slow and that they might build lot of bad habits along the way. Many people like novelty, "tuning" and improving things too. Also, lot of the things are confusing for beginners - Grauffel says: "Grip with wrist straight, pull front to back, don't murder it with the grip, shooting hand must be quite relaxed.", then Bob Vogel says: "Support hand as high as possible, wrist 45° down, grip as hard as possible, train with Captains of Crush wrist trainers etc." Grauffel's won like most IPSC matches ever. But then Vogel is the one that defeated Grauffel. And as new guy sees that he'd go - "Huh? So which one is it?". Anyways, thank you for the video! I hope it would help mostly beginners not to fall into dryfire "helpers" marketing rabbit hole. Looking forward to new videos such the one like this.
I’m glad to see this industry is no different than the photography industry. Overthinking dominates most peoples heads.
It’s hard to find the right balance between not thinking enough about it and thinking too much about it.
Ben made a video about who he allows in his classes. He said he likes to admit people who have “nerded out” over the details. Go figure.
Can confirm nobody reads. The books are the best door stops I've purchased.
They work great to balance my washing machine.
I have purchased and read your books. Thank you for posting these videos as they are very helpful and are greatly appreciated.
I have watched your videos about dry fire and I really want to say thank you! Your vids have taught me to do it right, saved me a lot of money and saved me a lot of time.
Great stuff as always, Ben! I'll say that, for my own journey as a shooter so far (about four years in now and planning to get into IDPA soon), the SIRT pistol and the DryFireMag, the latter of which I use for my Glock, have been tremendously helpful for me. That said, I absolutely love dry training and am always keeping an open mind, particularly when it's anything from you. I have recently been doing some dry training with my Glock and CZ P-01 with your approach to dry firing the trigger, so it's keeping my dry sessions more engaging. I will say that the DryFireMag in particular has helped me with trigger freeze (I've been a prep-press guy). I'm beginning to suspect that a lot of trigger freeze issues for people are happening as a result of a weak trigger finger and timing issues with reset and the cycling of the gun, but that's just a theory. But it's also a theory that I'm basing on Jerry Miculek's views on the matter. The journey continues!
Great short videos
Have seen individuals eye over the top of the slide(no sights installed) and crank out 1 1/2” group from an accurized 1911. After I saw that, I occasionally practice raising the pistol to firing position with my eyes closed, then seeing how close I am to being on target to build some muscle memory and my minds eye. Surprising how often I’m on target. Thanks Ben for the honest rundown.
I picked up your "Practical Shooting Training" book the other day and was confused on the level 1 dry fire table that is in there because the drills mention things like "shooting" multiple times per drill and I didn't know if that meant shoot, rack slide, shoot or what. This video clears that up so thanks.
If you want a person to remain target focused, and they are using iron sights, then I think a laser cartridge would be ideal, because it maintains one's focus on the target, as the 'shot' is dryfired.
Granted, a laser cartridge offers little added value when using a red-dot.
(I'm focusing on training to shoot a j-frame revolver at the moment, so the LaserLyte inserted in the barrel works for me.)
I'm a fan of laser cartridge and a piece of white paper taped to the wall. I am practicing for ccw not for competition though so the draw and first shot is what I am primarily practicing. It's helpful in developing point shooting and repeating the grip on draw.
I have read Practical Pistol Reloaded and Dry Fire Reloaded multiple times since getting into competitive shooting. It has been a huge part pf helping me get where I am. I have also read Brian Enos multiple times. I am a complete nerd on this stuff.
I remember the first time I saw the dryfire mag and thought “oh that’ll be cool I’ll pick one up” then I saw the price and have just decided to keep putting a foam earplugs in my breach to keep it somewhat open so the trigger can still move. I bought the lazer glock clone years ago when bdu first came around.The sirt was cool for the time being but I wouldn’t spend the money on it again.
At 1:29, when doing that exercise, I hold the muzzle 1/8 of an inch from a wall for a better view at muzzle "nonmovement"
I bought Bens dry fire book. For anyone wondering its 100% worth it but videos showing examples like this are nice too.
Love the “clips” comment, love to annoy people!! THATs a keeper!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
I just estimate my holdover (4x fixed optic) and send it. Bonus points for confidence
Great video! I especially liked the part about clips vs mags. My father started me hunting and shooting over 50 years ago and I think he called them clips, and I sometimes revert back. Hopefully my friends won’t disown me! Keep pumping out the videos, I’m learning a lot.
I think people say clips because the M1 Garand used clips and it is a carryover.
@@shumardi1 I agree, especially the older folks.
The other thing I don’t understand is why people get so upset when I slip and call them clips.
That generation, esp those a bit older who had served in WWII, commonly said "clip". I still run into older people who say "clip".
@@Jonathan906 yeah, my father grew up during WWII. After the war he said you could buy all kinds of surplus. Planes in a crate for around $500. I think he picked up a Lee Enfield around this time. So I’m pretty sure he called mags clips and so I say it every so often. People get quite upset.
I have a cheap Chinese rail mount laser that I use for dryfire. I can't always tell if my sights are moving with a trigger pull, but the dot across the room on the wall is easier to see if it's moving.
having a red dot is also nice for that specific reason. They are great for shooting and they give you alot of feedback both on the range and in dryfire
This is why I like having a laser/light combo as well since at least when I do outlaw matches and film with my go pro I can literally see where my aim is, they won't let you use it in uspsa, the problem is most holsters won't support it even if it's something like surefire x400 which is literally just an x300 with a small laser dingus at the bottom. I wish more people were open minded about lasers instead of looking down in you like some kind of mall ninja so that companies actually made holsters for them
I've put a paster at the end of the muzzle when using the mantis on the carbine and on the sirt when I want to get feedback off the sights and still want to manipulate the trigger.
That magazine has a lot of clips 😂
Hello dear Ben. First thank you for all useful information you give us every single day, I think we all appreciate it.
I have a question tho. So regarding both dry and Live fire, can you give us some taughts on what amount is good enough for which level of shooting. As I dont think every advice should be same for everyone as there are ipsc shooters shooting 10k rounds every month, then there are also good shooters shooting around 700rounds/month. So I would love to hear some rounds calculations and management/planing advice from you. Maybe even some weekly drills plan with live fire for economic and also not so economic variants. Thank you and stay well.
"The answers are in the books but nobody reads them"
Me who has one of his books loaned from a friend for a year now that i still havent touched
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definitely thought that chair slide was a shit 1:23
I had to rewatch it because I thought he turned his pants into a kilt until I saw him physically scoot back
😂 I was like dude just shit his pants and kept going
For the trigger reset on a Glock you can slip a piece of paper between the slide and top of the barrel in the ejection port to put the gun slightly out of battery. I like it a little more than just pressing air but that's just me. Costs $0 and you're using your own gun
I don’t like the feel of that as much but different strokes.
I read both books and PSTG. All the answers you seek are within my children.
VR for dry-fire?
Seems like there are now several VR training sims, such as ACE. Any experience with those? What do you think, Ben?
For me i’m really only interested in your thoughts on the coolfire trainer that tries to mimic actual recoil since that’s the one thing you can’t train during dry fire.
Hey Ben. Regarding trigger resets.
What I do is I jam a piece of paper, or a rubber band into the ejection windows of my Glock, so that the gun does not go fully into battery. This will leave the trigger alive through my entire stage.
I’ll have to give that a try.
enjoying your videos what are thoughts when dry firing with a revolver and have you by any chance shot any of them feed back would be greatly appreciated as everyone is predominantly shooting semi autos
Hi Ben good afternoon - what is the "cone of error" from South Africa the term is not familiar?
As somebody just coming from being a concealed carrier who makes 1 or 2 range trips a year, trying to transitioning into a more frequest/better shooter, what dryfire drills/live fire drills do you think make the biggest impact. I currently dryfire 100 times an evening or so, just pointing at a spot on the way, getting the dot on it, and pulling the trigger. Anything different you would recommend to really hammer in fundmentals?
Do you think the weight of the gun makes a difference? Like you dry fire empty then you live fire full mag
I'd love to see Ben's opinion on the GHK Glock that's a real Glock type mechanism
I've found even the coolfire system to be gimmicky at best.
I do like using a TV/projector showing targets though that pop in and out at random locations on certain intervals, even if I am not using a laser to show hits.
Which system did you have? The one in the barrel or the mag based one?
What range simulation do you use?
@@onpsxmember I have a good handful of dryfire toys. From the mantis X10, Coofile barrel, random laser guns, C02 / HPA pistol, etc.
The range simulation I use is Dryfire online. I find it does almost everything I want it to do. And it's the cheapest to get into, free or paid.
For just practicing draw and transitions, you can do everything you want with the free version. I have a "map" that has like a dozen or two targets at varying "distances" and they all pop up at once and then the "game" resets after 2-10 seconds (depending on what I want for that day). You can easily get dozens of reps in painlessly.
Have you ever tried a Coolfire trainer and what do you think about that for CO2 dry fire?
Hey Ben, if I already have the Practical Shooting Training book should I also get the Dry Fire Reloaded book or is most of the info rolled over into PST?
How do people feel about shooting a 22LR pistol as kind of a compromise between dry fire and 9mm?
when you ran berettas did you just dryfire all your shots double action?
Have you tried that gas based cool fire stuff? The slide of the regular pistol reciprocates. One is in the barrel and the other more pro system is in mags but need a dedicated pistol based on wear.
I use the LASR Classic dryfire program on a PC together with a Coolfire for my Sig and CZ. This is the most realistic and fun system for home dryfire practice with your own firearm. The LASR Classic system uses a high speed IR Camera to see (invisible) IR Laser hits on target. The PC based software shows your hits on target along with all of your times... draw, splits transitions reloads etc. It can also do time+ scoring as well as HIT FACTOR scoring. I set up reduced sized targets on an 8 x 4 board... to run drills and stages. The system takes a little time to leand and get dialed in... but you get decent recoil and can pull your trigger as fast as you can in live fire.
@@jeff31061 sounds like itd be pricey
Ben, snap caps in 1911/2011 for dry fire?
Hi Ben,
Thanks for the insight. Can you address how long you dry fire for in a training session? Is there an optimum time or rep range? Thanks.
Back in the days of Practical Shooting After Dark (or was it Practical Shooting Podcast?) the crew said they'd rather do a lot of short sessions than one big one because they can more easily stay focused on task, processes, sensations, etc.
Coolfire trainer? Its EXPENSIVE however i think it would be useful. Your thoughts?
Please teach a class in hawaii
Ben I live I’m coming to your Fundamentals class in November. Given that’s a long way away and I want to be able to shoot at least in B class by then, would my money be better spent on upgrading from Glock 19 to 34 (or even a CZ), or on a shitload of 9mm and purposeful practice? Serious question.
Hi Ben - if someone was limited in the amount of rounds they were able to shoot per week, would you suggest they have one big live fire session per week + a lot of dry fire, or several shorter live fire sessions with a few days of dry fire mixed in?
Just in case you don't get an answer:
The latter will be more beneficial. You won't fatique, you have the stimuli more often throughout the week building better muscle memory. If you go to the range 2 times a week 25 rounds and dry fire daily is way better than once a month but 300 rounds.
Lots of good low round count stuff. Have a clear idea what you want to do at the range and have a playbook. What you work on, results, thoughts on how things felt, what you saw etc. If you change something, give it a few range trips to evaluate, not just once.
@@onpsxmember thank you for taking the time to post this answer, great insight
Hey Ben how about when dryfire a DA and pressing the trigger? I usually pull the hammer back and flip the saftey and tap the trigger pretty hard that way. Is that ok?
Ben I do most of my dry fire occluded ( I only take the occlusion off the day of a match). I never shoot matches or live fire occluded. Is doing 95% of my dry fire occluded a crutch? I also had pasters on all my dry fire targets but I have recently removed them all as I think they were definitely not useful as I have to train to look for a small spot on a matte brown target rather than looking for a paster.
On a previous video he did mention people tend to adapt to the occluded sight and develop the same "staring" bad habits after a couple months.
Id alternate to so you are conscious if you are doing it.
Whats your take on using airsoft for dry fire practice?
What were the downsides that made you drop this alternative?
Probably cleaning out the projectiles, gas, breakage, more stuff to carry with him.
Ben how often do you negligently discharge during dry practice? I am down to about 1 ND per week now and my legal defense fund is starting to get drained. How much do you budget per year for legal defense related to firearms training? Also, if I become a convicted felon what can I do to train for USPSA without a firearm? Thanks in advance.
What problems have you found with Airsoft? I hate the trigger of my airsoft gun because it's long and awkward and heavy, but I find that If I can make that work I can confirm my grip and vision.
Had one in hand at IWA and lots had bad triggers like you said, especially anything DA/SA is horrible but it gets better on the market. Had one from ICS airsoft called the BLE-ICP in hand, but just that model was way above the others of the same company and all other airsoft booths. I shelved the idea myself for the moment.
Without me going through every video. Where does Ben put his trigger finger as mentioned at the end of the video?
First knuckle.
Ben, I feel like I've hit a wall with dryfire. What are some specific things you work on when you dryfire and just how you diagnose yourself when dryfiring?
Been trying to get better on my distance targets like 30-45yds (with my pistol) and also wondering if I should be letting the sight just land and float on the target with very little movement or should it crash on it and get that flash of a sight is that too much overconfirmation of the sights? Just wondering how you train for this (dont know if any of that makes sense)
@@cmtptr how do you mean?
When you said you were hitting a wall I wondered if you had a live round in the chamber.
@@graysonjeffords7110It’s a joke. He is implying your are hitting the wall with the muzzle of your gun because you are standing too close to it.
hahahahah “like.. wha?? “
Just put a masking tape on one of the sirt lasers 🤷🏻♂️
How about creating your books into audio books?
He can do an attached pdf for diagrams. I’ve experienced that a few times on audible.
I will be saying clips a lot myself to the right people😂🇧🇻
Thoughts on dry fire king?