Bad News for 343 Industries - Forgers Aren't Happy.
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Forgers have even gone as far as to ask 343 to remove the maps they have created from matchmaking.
Something I don't think thats happened in Halos History.
Forge is definetly buggy, I used to have trouble in halo infinite simply placing little cones and breakable dynamic props on top of crates and getting them to respawn consistently/property with physics to make a shooting range, something I've done in every forge since halo 3 in 2007.
they should have a path to generate revenue and they should be compensated like contractors until completion and then base it on performance after how many games get played on it and how the community likes it.
WHERE THE F IS THE GAUSS HOG? - FLORIDA THUG305
Problem is it's 343's property.
Forge will never be like Halo 3. Infinite has so many more possibilities but not enough creative minds making fun maps or modes. I mean sumo, duck hunt, and all the other modes from halo 3 just copy and pasted! Come on there's so much more than that to be made
I mean, they’re absolutely right. Forgers are carrying infinite. 343 is just raising prices on over priced skins. Forgers should be rewarded and compensated.
Here is the unfortunate reality. You don't own the maps you make, because 343 owns them already. Which means unless you somehow get them to cough up dough, they won't pay a penny.
You would have to go to the barricades and do a united community strike, to even get the tiniest chance of that ever happening.
It's more likely that 343 spits out some Master Chief royalty V-bucks which will be everything, because half the protestors get bored or say "ah, good enough" and nothing really changed.
You would be surprised as to how some people would disagree with you on that. No really, some ppl don't agree that forgers should get paid
Considering they make 75-90% of the maps that are in infinites playlists they should be paid for their work since they’re doing the effin’ map design for a AAA studio. 343 has been incredibly lazy in term of making dev made maps
remember back in season 1 (a whopping like 4 total maps) when you had to pay like $10 to play as the color blue? lol
I did some trio games with my brothers and realized some of the normal playlist maps are insane and so good and then go to ranked and its same boring maps OVER AND OVER @@DeadEyes63
At this point, the players should be compensated for playing Halo Infinite.
FR this game is nothing like I've seen before.
Fax, lawsuits for false advertising! 🤑
What a brain dead comment
Please don't put yourselves on the same level as those actually making maps simply because you boot up the game
@@Americanbadashh spending countless of hours in a game that hardly gives you anything to play it, no new weapons, hardly any rewards now, no new vehicles, hardly any dev made maps. I don’t think it should give a base player money but when you don’t get any real value from playing the game it really feels like you should sometimes. Although I’m not deluded tho that will never happen lol. Feeling that way is more about being rewarded from playing the game overall in content, but when it’s lacking and you still play it feels like you need some sort of compensation. I definitely agree with what you mean as an artist, the consumer and the map maker aren’t the same. It’s like going into an art gallery and asking for funds since you had to go out of your way to look at the art.
We've 'needed to talk' since 2012
No, since 2011 after CEA came out, it was garbage then and is garbage now. 😂
@@SunnyMittencea was amazing
@@Ukfairgrounds It was made as a port of the Gearbox PC port with reusing reach assets and having no care to keep collision for anniversary consistent with classic, there's even a whole room they covered up in library with no effort.
Also sure the Kinect scan and see feature was cool but that was a gimmick.
Other than Anniversary reach maps, HALO CEA AS A GAME IS OBJECTIVELY A DISGRACE.
@@SunnyMitten it’s amazing still is today people don’t like it because 343 made it
@@Ukfairgroundsno people dont like it because its a cheap poorly made remaster that ruins the art direction and atmosphere of the original game. It looks like a fanmade mod. 2 anniversary is a great but CE anniversary is a joke
This will be a hot take but I’m just going to say it. The forgers are doing this voluntarily and are not forced to make these maps. They are not employed or contracted by 343 to do so either. They’re willing to take time out of their day to voluntarily to do what 343 won’t and make new maps for the community. If they want a paycheck, they should at least send in an application before whining about not getting paid. With that being said, 343 would be stupid not to hire some of these guys as you said, they’re carrying the game right now.
Mate that isn't a hot take, that's the most sensible and realistic opinion on this you could have.
That's objectively true on every fundamental level, anyone who wants to argue against your comment is only proving it right 🤷🏽♂️
This is the only reasonable response
I think most people agree with your opinion. Hiring them would be a wise move.
if a game is relying on community made content, they can be sued for it. This wouldn't be the first game in which that happens. This has been a big deal before
343 would rather hire some random company and pay them to do decent but mediocre looking forges, and then keep taking community forage maps not crediting the developers with any type of real compensation
343 seems to hate the community as compared to other studios. however, the execs have been fired, so maybe it will get better.
not to mention hiring other companies to make the "dev-made" maps too
@@jpineapple9495the community seems to hate itself. Why would 343 change of the lot of u zombies keep playing and spending money. (Halo infinite is insanely profitable to this very moment)
@@ChiefVince117 change of the lot of u zombies? i have no idea what this means.
What’s wild is they contract companies to make the maps but somehow they choose companies that never played halo.
343 dont want to pay forgers, they want us to pay them
They don't need to pay them just give them rewards xclusive coatings in the game and they would spend their life forging just saying people like the flex and they would spend months forging just to get it and spend much more for a new ones😅
@@mikemikey2372Yep
@@mikemikey2372they already do that
@@goobot1 yes but once they attend the reward there's no new reward with it if they get featured again
I've been playing Halo Infinite since launch and I've never bought Campaign or any Battle Pass, and still enjoy it 😂
They should be fairly compensated for their time and labor, as many of them are probably doing this in whatever free time they have.
Why compensate someone who is willingly choosing to work for you for free
If forgers want to get paid… They need to stop working for free first
The ball is in their court, not 34 threes
@@jarde1989i cannot wrap my head around this logic..what?
Because the situation changed, so now we are pushing for compensation as a community. Just because the situation is a certain way now, doesn't mean it can't change in the future. This is malpractice and very well deserves calling out, and 343 would be doing well to listen to this because it can go to court very quickly, as it has in other games before. This isn't community made content anymore like it used to. Those forgers work not only with 343, but it is easily provable that they are the ones keeping the game alive. This will likely be an easier case than in other games.
And lastly: "why would 343 pay for something people willingly do for free"
they wouldn't. The same thing as actual employeesin a work environment are getting taken advantage of. That's why people should be/are banding together to draw consequences for 343. The same reason actual employees should ALWAYS join unions. your entire comment just boils down to "why should 343 stop taking advantage of people if they are in no direct need to change it"
and that is such a confusing thing to comment that i barely know where to start with it. What do you think community pushback (and at a later stage, a lawsuit) are for? People have power, and you are seeing that in action, hopefully people go all the way.
Your idea of "pushback", as in, "just dont work for free duhh" isn't a viable option if there is a market of forgers replacing those who drop out. Theres always someone else to do it. Thats why ORGANISING pushback is alot more effective than just "do nothing" You are also well advised to do that in a contractual job environment. Just "doing nothing" or "doing less work" gets you fired and replaced. Organising gives you safety, as they can't just fire the entire company or a potential lawsuit if it goes to higher instances.
It wouldn't be the first game and it absolutely wont be the last where people get money for their community work through a lawsuit
@@jarde1989your viewpoint would make more sense if 343 weren't literally relying on these forge maps for content, for THEIR live service game. Sure,the forge creators don't need to do this,but you would be getting practically no new maps to play on if they didnt🤷♂️
@@jarde1989100% agree but they should get some exclusive ingame content for their effort fr.
@@MrMegaMetroidWhat games are you referring if you could provide an example please, I agree they should be compensated in some way (mostly in game content wise not money) but I don't think this is as open and shut as you make it out to sound like.
Forgers are totally carrying the game right now but how would a compensation policy even be enforced. Do all forgers get free money or only the ones that have their map put into matchmaking?
What about people who create custom game modes, should they too be paid even though its no where near as time consuming as forge itself.
These are questions that need to be answered before demanding 343 to implement a monetary compensation policy for its creation users.
Imagine 343 would actually contract people that loves halo and they work on making maps, testing them, making weapons, etc. To ACTUALLY JOIN THEIR COMMUNITY
Common sense is now rare sense... unfortunately.
techincally they did and that's how all the issues started
They've been doing this for years, plus only people who enjoy halo would've taken the absolutely terrible contracts they put out. There would've been no other reason besides just wanting to work on halo.
Fletch from Ultimate Halo doesn't count i guess
Oh and on their job listings 343 specifically state that they want people who are "passionate about Halo" to fill out some really important positions.
Modern Forge is borderline a map development tool similar to other dev tools. They deserve compensation.
They knowingly do it for free. So no.
@@AtomicShadow64 braindead take, stop drooling on your phone
@@AtomicShadow64 braindead take, stop drooling on your phone
@@AtomicShadow64 smooth brain take
@@ratmilk9260 Only smooth brain is doing things for free.
Forgers are literally doing 343s job for them. Imo, it’s a 2 part deal:
- find a way to compensate forgers, since they’re carrying the game
- implement forge maps into MP faster. There could even be a playlist dedicated to testing new maps, where we play the new maps, 343 collects data and works with the forgers to refine
YES! Please 343 make a “forge test” playlist!
@@isaacfrand3824 Workshop: Maps like they did for Squad Battles Networking. Then it'll be live on the new networking model, and likely a diverse pool of rigs be it old Xboxs to the newer ones to the spectrum of PCs and laptops. That playlist should also have the QR code every other week as they rotate like we did with the Workshop: Squad Battles Networking for the Feedback Survey.
i was under the impression that 343 would have just taken the map file and made the tweaks themselves for the ones that rolled out to matchmaking.
to ask a fan to adjust their map for stuff like framerate and weapon placements is nuts.
As a forger, it's important that we have some insight and control over what's coming in the future to forge, so that we can prepare and brace for changes or additions.
One way they can incentivise this is by giving us a feedback forum where we can recommend new things and make suggestions - that perhaps could be ranked based off votes.
This is especially needed for scripting and nodes, since we're still missing the ability to do even the simplest of tasks, because we're confined to only what's available.
I also feel like the discussion surrounding Infinite in general is a lot less professional and formal. I either have to take to twitter or discord to get an answer, when there should be and outlet provided by 343. Feedback feels much less reliable because how do 343 properly gather that information. The best I can do for forge is report issues with screenshots or recordings
I can't express my creative aspirations or recommendations because they don't provide an outlet for that. If they want the community to thrive, they can't malnourish us.
Why doesn’t the map name show at the start of the match? The least they could do to give more recognition to forge maps is to show the map name and creator name at start
There's only one problem, they are doing it voluntarily. Should they be getting paid? Sure, but unfortunately, 343 isn't obligated to pay them
If that's the case, then the forgers need to make a point by not making 343 any maps until they're compensated for whatever upcoming maps they have in store for release
@montague7204 that's exactly what they need to do. Unfortunately with the way 343 is going, they are liable to just cut their losses and just focus on the next game
Funny, I don't feel obligated to support 343 either.
If 343 don't pay them, 343 is gonna be in a heap of trouble. I will defend Infinite because I love the game, but it's moments like this is when you have to call out 343 to not have them do dumb decisions
It has NO content. 😂
@@SunnyMittenHalo Infinite has no content?
@@SunnyMitten yee uhm...it's this type of comment where I have to say is boatloads of nonsense. Like, are you joking?
@@Samuel_Loegan it took them like what two years to get roughly the same number of maps that previous Halos released on day one???
It takes them forever to add new maps especially to Arena regardless how many Maps forgers make 🤷🏽♂️
I started playing Apex for the first time ever and I've been having a lot more fun on that game than infinite
@@EastlakeRasta7 yet 343 is the one that green lit the maps from forgers and still arrived nonetheless. If you like Apex, go ahead, no one's stopping you. Battle Royale ain't for me anyway
they really should be paying them. my wife works at a large game company and they're aware of how user generated content is such a big thing now. give forgers the tools and the compensation. heck. the next major game could ltierally be a sandbox and toolkit for forgers to build stuff and that would probably do better than infinite at launch
If Forgers want to be paid, they should ask before having maps added to matchmaking because at this point I doubt it will happen. The discussion should have happened beforehand, but this seems to be a situation Microsoft will have to be involved in considering they probably have last say in 343’s financial decisions and throw a fit that money is being paid to non-contract workers well over a year after Forge and fan maps in matchmaking have been out. All in all, this will likely be another outrage that has no affect on the outcome because the discussion has taken too long to come about for the big money people at the top of the chain to care about or consider.
Dam, I guess workers have to ask to be paid now?
@@Ghent_Halcyon yeah it's called reading and signing an actual contract 💀
@@fkdaybreak3626 Yeah, 343 should read the fucking room and give them some dam money at minimum. They are making so much anyway since you fucks buy shit constantly.
If they want to be paid they should get a job at 343
Hcs gets store bundles to fund hcs. Why not do it for forgers?
Pretty sure 343 stopped allowing the HCS teams to get money from those bundles back in season 3 or 4
I don't even bother watching any pro video game League, if you're not my friend or family member I'm not watching anyone play games
I'm the forger behind Daimyo, Insolence and Obituary. I really appreciate the video bringing attention to some of the issues the forge community have been facing. Also reading through these comments and seeing the support for forgers from the community means a lot. Many of us have been feeling underappreciated lately.
Feels like 343 already switched to the skeleton crew
It's been like that a for while probably. Cut development costs on a game with a low playerbase, throw them at the next title instead
Pretty sure they did that before the game even released. Seems that way at least.
This is kind of a theme with Halo.
Halo needs to innovate now while keeping the classic feel. Next Halo needs to add cool modes, zombies flood version, trials of Osiris like mode, warzone, add open world pve bounties that reward us reqs or armor pieces.
They won't need to try and milk us with mircrotransactions if they knew how to properly innovate Halo.
Keep the classic gameplay but add new activities that are more than just bare bones. Make the game full of content and charge for the game itself.
“Feels like it’s in a rough spot” Halo since 2011
As a forger, I can confirm all the points being said here; it takes absurdly long to make a map, especially if you’re going for a non-human style; I’m trying to make a firefight map inspired by Sunion, and HOLY. I’ve barely managed to get the platforms to look right, and I have been trying for about a month now. I haven’t even gotten the layout of the map started, and considering how the architecture needs to be alien, I’m doubtful that I’ll ever get the map done, never mind get it into matchmaking. There is another idea, though, and I want community input so I know what to focus on first; “Sunion” with a lot of open space, pitfalls, and unorthodox movement paths; or “Permafrost” (ice caves) with tight corridors and restrictive mobility?
Hopefully Microsoft sees this as a pattern from 343i and steps in. I really hope they have a contingency plan for Halo and their fans.
they wouldn't care, Microsoft is not a superhero they have shot down a whole bunch of ideas for spin-off games that 343 wanted to make. also the overpriced skins are what Microsoft wants.
I think that senses the price were raised in the shop that forgers should get 5% or more of the profits. This would justify the raised prices and more people would want to buy the items in the shop because it is supporting the forgers.
5 percent would be criminal considering forgers have made more content for this game than 343 have.
at BARE MINIMUM, they should award a forger who gets a map published (finishes the 343 map review process and gets it put into any matchmaking playlist) at least 2000 store credits
At this point, since they are essentially developers and keeping this game fresh, yes they should be compensated or even contracted for it. Can you imagine the maps we'd have if some of them went into this full time as a job? We'd have so much variety.
Not to mention it’d get us out of menial day jobs and let us focus more on making maps and having fun
Yes, they should be compensated. Give them access to developer like tools so they can get the maps into matchmaking faster.
Forge mappers aren't getting paid? That's absolutely ridiculous. They're making stuff for 343 to keep the live service going, they absolutely should get paid. If I was a forger and 343 wanted to take my work and promote it for their own benefit without paying me, I'd tell them to get fucked.
A few years back I made a custom map for the indie game Brigador, for a community contest. The game's developers saw our maps and thought so highly of them that they put them in the game officially via an update... but they *also* paid us pretty handsomely for our work! If indie studios can pay fans for their work, why can't 343?
Congrats on getting your map in Brigador
At this point, I think it's time to get these Forgers a contract for 343
I honestly think that the community as a whole should be so much more involved with the series. We should be the ones testing for bugs and providing direct feedback for everything. We should be the ones who have access to the tools used to refine maps if they're struggling (and people who go on to make those maps should be compensated for their time and work!). It's ridiculous that everyone BUT the community is being contracted, paid, etc to put time into this game, and hardly anything gets done. I know the guy who is in charge is doing his best, but when you start to fall off this much and you need a helping hand, why pay tens of thousands of dollars to people who are probably going to do the bare minimum, when you can pay that same amount (give or take) and get people who will give it their all to put some shine on the series?
If they're going to contract an outside company to make maps, they need to give them access to the dev tools. If their contractors are just going to use the same systems we all have access to, send that money towards the passionate members of the forge community who aren't just in it for the paycheck. Not only will the results be better, but they'll have the added incentive to keep working on new maps.
I have more fun building maps in Forge than playing the actual game lol
Yeah I do think Forgers should get paid money for carrying this game content wise.
Forgers unionizing lite
100% I’m by no means a huge forger, but I speak from experience when I say forge is super buggy. Spawning prefabs especially can be a roll of the dice as to whether or not it will crash the game. Add in the complete lack of a reliable auto save function and I find myself saving after each change I make so I can be sure that I don’t lose progress when it does crash. The features are extensive, but sometimes I wonder if it’s all being held together by string, duct tape, and glue. 4:21
Has anyone been happy with 343 ever?
Lot of times actually. Halo 5 multiplayer as a good example.
This is becoming the norm. 343 is just a part of it. Lot of companies focus on exploiting old titles with same or similar features rather than creating new ones. It’s about maximising profits without putting the work.
We can 343 as much as we want but everyone doing it now or going to do it.
So let’s just hold the executives accountable only they can cause this not the devs.
@@patrickiamonfire965It's 100% the devs, drama sparking from MCC Halo 3's hit detection is proof that the entire company culture is toxic. 😂
@@SunnyMitten who do you think created the work culture and who do you think it is the job to mediate it? The HR. Executives put the devs in intense working long hours unpaid overtime. Who do you think decided bring more micro transactions? The devs who created the game or the executives who ordered it. The executives is the management branch. The marketing team or financial team decides on the price and how much micro transactions it can do and how to do it.
You can blame the devs all you want and it won’t solve a single thing rather make it worse. The executives however that can create a solution.
@@patrickiamonfire965 If it's the HR then devs should protest the toxic work culture like Activision yet you don't hear about that do you?
@@SunnyMitten what do you think they do? They have no voice. They’re replaceable and are replaced if they have slight louder voice. Than they have sign unfair contracts with little no alternatives. Due to lack of regulation companies can exploit and they do it in strides. Unionisation are often prevented by the management or the executives.
It’s far more complicated and complex. If we want to stop this we have to actually spread awareness of it and protest it as a group.
This is a great video. Props to you for sticking up for the halo community. At the end of the day that’s what keeps this game going
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That’s all I needed to hear.
Energy barriers and light objects for some reason have the pitch and yaw adjusted on multiple of my maps when placing them. I’ve tried so many different fixes and it just doesn’t work. Also had issues baking the lighting and reverting to old versions of the map. Wasted easily 10-20 hours on this. I had another finished published map with scripted doors and player blockers and a 343 update destroyed the doors, super annoying.
I believe it would be fair compensating the forgers, but only a few of them, as for example the forge falcons.
While the work forgers are doing is amazing, I find it unfair to give something back to many when they aren't forced to do this work and are doing by their own will. I fell it would be a much better and fair thing to take the forgers that are standing out for their creations, as an example the forge falcons as I wrote before, for showing a so profound knowlodge of forge that they pass the level of many dev made modes and maps (I even heard they are trying to even make a helldivers like mode). As for how 343 could pay them back for their service, it variates for giving credits and armor, to turning into full out employes for Halo Infinite development and have greater support coming directly to them.
People are also upset about not having playable Elites as well.
Helldivers 2 has completely take over any interest in halo the only reason I still have halo for my friend and when I hear about halo it’s always bad news it’s like watching a old man get run over by a car, recovers then his family completely leaves him
well. They could build a whole ecosystem around forge maps and creators with some ingame currency that players can earn ingame and maybe even buy in the shop and with that they could donate to specific maps/creator of the maps, when they have a specific amount they can get cash those out. The big problem i see with paying them directly is that forgers probably arent exclusive to the US and that could create some trouble depending on how they pay out. 343 could even do competitions for forgers to create the best map with a ranking system and in the end the best/most liked/played map guarantees a big payout or even a contractwith 343. It could be an EASY WIN WIN situation for 343 but i guess they dont think about such stuff
Wtf, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY BOY?!
I still play Far Cry 5 for its map editor. I've spent hundreds of hours building and publishing maps because it is something I am truly passionate about. I love publishing a map and watching it get high ratings due to it being enjoyable.
I think the forgers of Halo Infinite deserve more recognition and mich more compensation for what they do. They aren't in it for a paycheck or some armor coating. They have a vivid imagination that is made reality via Forge.
I think they deserve a lot more than a coating or a visor.
My two cents: need the basic structures like Reach had. It's hard for the casual forgers to create because it's just a bunch of blank boxes. Some people don't have that kind of time to make a building from scratch.
As it’s a live service, yes pay them
Since when has Infinite been a live service game????
If 343 puts a community forge map in rotation, they should "buy" the map from the creators. However, I don't think they should contract community members to make the maps, but buy what is already made. Passion vs "It's my job now" is a world of difference in quality.
343 should at least in the minimum, make new canvas maps. The void canvases are nice and barebones, but one that would be awesome to have is a gas giant with it's torrential atmospherics in the skybox. Perhaps another water-based canvas where half of the map is under water, half is above. Perhaps a foggy canvas with half the map fogged, and no fog above it.
This would allow us to build better remakes of some of the original maps, but 343 doesn't want to pay for level designers. I'm betting they've let go all of their level designers by now.
Everyone should be compensated for their labor! As someone who's a freelancer I can say that paying them a flat fee or hiring them under a contract is the way to go about this honestly.
If they're being used in the playlists, those forgers should be compensated solely because 343 should be doing that. However, that gets hard with forge groups
Just pay them a small commission for every 100 games played on that map. Works for both parties.
For as good as the maps are, NOBODY PLAYS INFINITE, so they won't.
@@SunnyMitten 30,000 average concurrent players is nobody?
@@Perspicabl Compared to other games, you bet. (Also that's the highest ever count, not the current player count.) 🤣
@@SunnyMitten Not the highest, no.
@@SunnyMitten Bro, everyone plays halo on Xbox, not steam. Infinite is the first true pc release in the series
I’ve really enjoyed the Sperasoft maps. Elevation is my favorite map so far and that was made by Sperasoft.
Forge needs custom strings. Why cant we make our own sentences for objectives?
We could create our own missions with detailed objectives.
Forge also needs to add the ability to label map zones.
They absolutely should, but will they? If Pros are going to get some of their funding for Tourney's cut from the store, it's hard to see how they will give forgers will any sort of reasonable compensation other than a cheaper/complimentary armour piece and a thank you for their contribution to the community.
Would be great to see 343i contract some of the most prevalent community forgers to create maps for the game, forgers that have maps in matchmaking should 100% be paid for their time and passion. At the very least, I thing they should receive more "in game" benefits such as 343i nameplates and access to the "Eternal" blue flame armor ability. They've definitely earned that by carrying this game big time.
Unfortunately, I don't think Microsoft would even give 343i the resources for something like that. Seems like Halo is on life support anymore. They definitely don't treat it like the flagship game of the platform anymore.
100% support compensation for any map that makes it into standard map rotation.
It's always been wrong that 343 relies on volunteer labor to support their game, rather than putting in proper dev time. 343 should financially compensate people who make maps that they then put into rotation. Or at LEAST give those people a permanent 100% discount on all in-game store items.
Microsoft seems to ALWAYS be behind the times.
I agree they should get some form of payment.
And if the payment is good, This would allow forgets to build maps full time allowing more maps and better maps in matches.
Also frees up 343 time to build maps and can concentrate on the next game.
Also they need all maps from infinite to be easily portable to the next game. Which would allow the next game on day one to have lots of great maps.
Have not touched Halo Infinite since Helldivers 2 came out.
As a forger, I spend most my downtime in forge. It’s relaxing and a way to take away stress. It challenges me to be creative and play Halo at the same time! I love forge and yes it would be a dream to get paid but honestly it’s something I do for fun and if one of my maps ever get into matchmaking (probably won’t though) I’d wear the coating with honor.
I think if the map gets into official matchmaking then Forgers should be compensated.
343 could easily do a 10k forge contest for whatever maps they are looking for instead of paying probably over 50k for a dev studio to create one mediocre map.
The contest could put the top 3 winners in matchmaking and they split the 10k prize amount. They could do this multiple times a year to and still be cheaper than paying a dev studio and get much more high quality maps.
Now 343 would need to wait and do this with a new game though.
Play stupid games 343 win stupid prizes
Easy way to do it, make the "Master Builder" stuff an employee gift. Make that bs amount of testing for 6 months worth it by making that first map a freaking INTERVIEW. If the map gets put on public playlists, give them employee tools and compensate them for making maps. If they're gonna be that strict, 343 should be paying them for the maps
Thank you for talking about this issue. I hope with some wider community collaboration, we can improve this situation.
as a person who has made 115 maps on halo reach mcc, i think this has to happen at some point if they don't want their talent to leave them for another game, those forgers on infinite are build different.
Hopefully the new managerial at 343 will see these videos and take steps to do this or perhaps make a partnership program for the future main Halo titles. Because studios that allow partnership programs like that are always going to draw in more people to the community. Like Warframe does with its skin makers as whenever someone purchases that specific skin, the creator gets a 70% cut I believe.
No point in even having a forge if its not supported. Its literally a dead option otherwise
i always went in just with the goal of having fun and making something in hopes that others would enjoy it in forge..don't think that they need to be paid personally but if 343 wanted, they could do something similar in the shop where money spent on certain bundles went to the forge teams.
You mentioned getting compensated for number of times maps are played; issue with that is I can see 343i/microsoft just making those awesome forged maps less played to like a 1% chance, so that was a mistake to put that in their heads.
The Forge community definitely deserves to be on the books.
There's some annoying legal stuff that makes it difficult to offer proper compensation to randos from all over the planet, but putting their name in the credits and giving them a couple sets of armor worth of store credits seems like a no-brainer.
Along with contracting forgers, 343 could set a donation system allowing players to give tips as a reward for a good map. the forgers get let's say 90% from the amount donated and 343 gets another source of income with the remaining 10%. Could be one way to sensibly monetize forge creations
It’s an alright idea, but tipping is a hot topic in any in business, and I’m not sure what kind of precedent it would set.
The community knows halo better than 343. Sadly that’s always been the case.
Fax, day 1 of MCC modding and devs added enough variety to protest adding mods to xbox all for MCC to get canceled over microtransactions. 😢
Halo is getting the Mario maker treatment “you don’t like our maps?Make your own then”
Forgers should get something, money, or sweet forerunner themed cosmetics if they want to be cheap.
With the last real season Halo infinite did I was really optimistic about the game, now it seems like the last few months have been all about burning down all the good will they had worked so hard to get.
Infinite was 100% THE WORST independent halo game's launch in history and you know it, for as bad as Halo 5 Launched at least it was playable, now was it good or ever will be? HELL NO, but at least it works better. 🤣
It’s because of forgers I’ve had the most fun in halo since halo 3 days. It’s a staple to the franchise and they should be compensated
That's like paying a mechanic to fix your car but you're being paid to drive it afterwards.
I think the creator of a forge map should get some kind of compensation once a map is included in an official update.
I mean this is what many people called out when Forge was first released, that the community would be the ones making content for this game while 343 just does small bugs fixes while also adding more stupid items to the in game store. Forgers have been the ones carrying this game and why most people still play it, hell the community has been carrying this franchise for the last decade. Whenever 343 releases something that is very divisive to the lore or the games the community releases stuff the reminds people of the good old days of Halo, Forge Maps, game modes, mods for MCC, fan films both animated and live action, videos explaining and trying to make sense of retconned lore and making it still fit within the current lore etc. Instead of 343/Microsoft hiring more contractors and people who never really gave a shit about this franchise, hire people from the community, they have clearly shown they have the talent, merit and passion for this franchise to push it forward to greater heights. So yes, Forgers should be compensated because they are putting in the work to keep the shitty product that 343 released alive.
I would love to see Forgers be compensated for their great work, but I do worry that this could have an MCC, MTX like situation where we tell 343 don't add MTX to MCC so Microsoft responds by killing the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft tells 343 to not include community made maps or brings back paid map pack DLC to compensate forgers
They should 100% pay the forgers. if you supply a service or product and take a lot of time from your life to make said product then you should and need to be payed.
We could compensate them…gofundme
I think this could apply for MCC and its modding community as well, as well as ease of access.
They ended support for MCC over microtransactions. 😂
Why is everyone saying we should pay forgers for thier creations but these same people have problems paying for 343 cosmetics aka their creations
War Thunder has a revenue sharing program too for modders who make plane/tank skins or even new vehicle models that Gaijin then adds fully to the game. Granted, they pay you with unique Gaijin currency but you CAN cash that out for real money after a time. I think even paying them in Halo Bucks or credits whatever, is better than nothing. If they are gonna add real content to the game, give them back real content too.
Really need 343 to make an official response to this video
If the maps get into matchmaking and if the store prices are this high. Yes they should get some money. Just look at the Skyrim creation club. There are many things to not like about that programm, but at least they respect the modders and give them a chance to earn money.
Let me not forget to mention we deal with forge crashing every twenty minutes.
They should be offered compensation from the point where a map is being processed by 343 to be added to match making, and depending on how well liked a map is potentially offer a position with 343 either as an employee or consultant. Especially when it’s a forger or forger collective that has made multiple maps that have been added to match making.
With how much 343 is relying on them and how other companies do compensate their creators like fortnite, minecraft, and roblox yes i think they should be compensated
I held on when the news of incomplete game was released
I held on when features were missing
I held on when my friends stopped playing
But since 343 is turning their back on this 10 year live service. Well. The wind in my sails just died
Maybe a portion of the microtransactions could go towards paying the forgers. I would feel a bit better dropping cash on cosmetics if I knew it was going towards future maps. (The prices still gotta come down overall though)
Nobody plays infinite so no, it won't work. 😂
Yeah I agree that forgers should get paid for for making good maps, hell I've played some of them and they were actually really good.
Forge is so good now that it’s essentially Roblox but for Infinite. Therefore the business model should be closer to that, then what 343 is doing today. Every forger could essentially be their own studio.
Seeing player count on Steam drop to 1,500 or so at times lately is really sad to see
Im just gonna say it. Less is more. I miss pre-set blocks because the barrier to entry for forging was low.
Ya know, I’m honestly feel sorta bad I didn’t even think of that as something they should have been doing. 343 pay those dudes!
If forgers are gonna put in all the work and 343 keep increasing prices everywhere for what seems like no reason, they deserve all the compensation. Especially since 343 really seems to not give a shit.