Also some mood tips to make it easy for buyers: Indie: for comedy drama and the Wes Anderson types of films Noir: for the 1940's vibe and crime investigation video games such as LA Noir Largo: for romantic and family films that filled with life and hope Capriccio/Grosso: for the big Williams and Silvestri hollywoodish scores Maximo: for the Zimmerish epic action scores Sotto: for mystery and discovery scores Espressivo: for horror and action crime scores Minimal: Not sure yet but I think can be used with all the above as extra orchestral patterns and FX
@@SecondTierSound Thanks man. I personally struggled to know the difference between them until I watched this vid and other separate vids on each lib and paid too much attention to grab the difference. And finally, I now know which ones to go for according to the styles I write for sync publishers.
Just started watching and crossing my fingers this will finally teach me how to use these blasted libraries I bought. Other people get fantastic stuff out of them, but I'm mostly scratching my head..
Thank you. But largo doesn't mean slow. The word for slow is lento. Wide, broad or large is the translation. In music the tempo means slower, yes, but not the literate meaning. Presto is another example.
@@SecondTierSound even if you look this up in a dictionary one of the connotations is slowly. The word often used is broadly which is interpreted by musicians as slowly. Certainly don’t wanna get into an argument about something this small but ask your musician friends and I think they will agree we all interpreted as slower. Which you actually make the point of when mentioning the BPM used for this patch.
18:23 As long as you hold down at least one note, the current phrase will continue to play. This makes changing phrases smoothly easy without using the pedal. You don't even have to hold down a note in the current chord, as long as _any_ note is held down it will continue to play. For example, you can hold a D major chord, then release everything except for the A, then hold down a G along with the A, then the G by itself, and through all of that, the D major phrase will continue to play. It won't change chords until you have a different major or minor triad held down.
Yes, this is true, but the sustain pedal is much easier. Remembering to lift all fingers but one, and to do this smoothly and overlapping correctly, is actually quite tricky, and requires more retakes that the sustain technique does.
As someone who owns most of these libraries, I wholeheartedly agree with your pros and cons --- especially the tweaking. Additionally, I always hit the F key that was hidden by your head because, in almost every instance, you want the phrase to end when you lift your hand off the keyboard. Not sure why that isn't the default setting. Two questions: 1) How did you know the BPM of each library. 2) in your workflow tips, you had all four instrument groups on one track, I'm guessing for the sake of expediency. Ideally, I think you'd want each instrument group on its own track so you could EQ and volume automate, etc. them independently and for the sake of stems. Your reviews are top-notch.
Thank you very much! 1. I checked out the manuals, and the info on their site. 2. Depends on the library and what I need to do with it. There is definitely more control in separating the instruments, but not always necessary. I usually keep the sections together, and mix as I would on a grouptrack. Cheers!
I'm glad I watched your presentation all the way through to Indie: I can see that its interface is quite similar to Sonokinetics' 80 Retro Symphonics--playing multiple patterns by way of holding continuous keys
Indie, Noir, and 80 all use the same engine, which is a bit different than the ones used by earlier libraries (Largo and everything below it in the list on their website, which is in reverse chronological order). According to Sonokinetic, they are working on a new engine that will be pushed as an update to their entire range of phrase libraries. It likely will be a tweaked version of what Indie, Noir, and 80 have.
I am a big fan of Sonuscore "The Orchestra 3" and Sonuscore "The Score". Both are phrase based but significantly more powerful (and for electronic synth stuff, think Bladerunner, Sonuscore Elysium 2). They each have "scenes" which are predesigned complex scenes that are triggered in much the same way sonokinetic is, but much more flexible in that it does not require a major or minor chord to trigger. There are several hundred "scenes" included with The orchestra 3, these are thematic musical ideas (think enchanted forest, building army, death march, foggy bank, decisions). However, it is much more powerful than this as multiple hundreds of rythmic arpeggios are available for different sections, which makes it easy to write complex rhythms, for example, need a pattern similar to that found in Indiana Jones? What about Robin Hood Prince of Thieves? Well, chances are, you can find an arp that already has this rhythm created, but if not, you can use the built-in arp creator to make your own and either trigger them or import the midi via drag and drop into your DAW. Oh, and need dynamics? You can pre-program that as well. The orchestra 3 has 5 parts that can play simultaneously while the score has 10 parts (Elysium 2, 5 parts). This might seem limiting, but you can just open additional instances for more. Oh, and a bonus feature? The Orchestra 3 comes in at under $500 and has the ability to play individual notes and articulations, so it can double as your orchestral library. The sound quality is very good, especially considering it is a full string, percussion, brass, and woodwind library at 20 gb and if I didnt already have a full orchestral library from Vienna Symphonic Library, I would be very content with just using the orchestra 3 for my orchestral needs.
Thanks a lot for the interesting overview. I'm still at the very beginning of creating my own music using these kind of programs. What I don't understand: How did you create your own melodies, which you inserted separately? Do you use a different programm to compose and record those? What do you need to do that? Thanks!
These instruments have patterns of music, and not individual notes that you can create your own melodies with. So, I used other instruments that can do that to create melodic lines, matching the patterns of the sonokinetic libraries.
I don't remember on this one. I usually do a super light EQ and compression, but very transparent. But it does sound very good out of the box for sure. Cheers!
@@SecondTierSound you mean Sessions guitarist is not recorded?Then why it sounds so realistic?This is only posibility if its pre recorded.Bit Noir is another category.Sonokinetic sound can easily compare to Spitfire and Orchestral Tools sound quality.This is my opinion
Sounds great. Sounds canned. As well as computerized. The human feel is lost. Don't like being locked into a given BPM. My pieces range from 27 BPM to a 182 BPM. At 11:00 the music sounded very stiff. At 12:20 the timing was a messy. Woodwinds sound computerized and anything but warm. The bit rate might also be an issue. In any case, I can clearly hear this is computer generated music. I've been using music soft since the 80s. STAY AWAY FROM QUANTIZE. Thank you nevertheless. But no thank you.
Well, here's my take, as you are free to yours: I do mention in the video to not quantize these instruments, and how the samples are human. I also mention that you can change BPM. I also talk about how to avoid the repetitive nature of the instruments and how to bake the sound in, and also mentioning the samples aren't a good idea on their own. The samples are not computer generated, nor locked. The bitrate comment is just plain lying, you can't hear that on CZcams. Maybe your speakers/room/cans suck? "Warm" is a catch-all phrase that means nothing more than individual taste in EQ. STAY AWAY FROM COMMENTING BEFORE GRASPING THE CONTENT 😉 Cheers! I'm totally fine with you not liking the instrument at all, but your comment is arrogant rather than helpful
Hi from Italy. Two question. I use Cubase, if I record a track for example with Largo... and in the same track I change harmonies 10 times, then when I listen back... does the last harmony remain or do I hear how I actually recorded in sequence? then what are those acronyms like B05 C11 etc...? Thank you
This review is absolutely fantastic, it's calm, it's clear and precise, everything I like. Thank you very much.
Great to hear. Thank you
Geat explaining again and Incredible demo , thanks a lot
Thanks for watching
Hands down best Sono-tutorial so far on CZcams - great work!
Thank you very much!
Mix & match and they sound even better!
You explained it so well, professional and sympathetic. Thank you and greetings to Sverige!
Tack så mycket!
Also some mood tips to make it easy for buyers:
Indie: for comedy drama and the Wes Anderson types of films
Noir: for the 1940's vibe and crime investigation video games such as LA Noir
Largo: for romantic and family films that filled with life and hope
Capriccio/Grosso: for the big Williams and Silvestri hollywoodish scores
Maximo: for the Zimmerish epic action scores
Sotto: for mystery and discovery scores
Espressivo: for horror and action crime scores
Minimal: Not sure yet but I think can be used with all the above as extra orchestral patterns and FX
Great!
@@SecondTierSound Thanks man. I personally struggled to know the difference between them until I watched this vid and other separate vids on each lib and paid too much attention to grab the difference. And finally, I now know which ones to go for according to the styles I write for sync publishers.
Minimal is a filler, but also great for postmodern music.
Just started watching and crossing my fingers this will finally teach me how to use these blasted libraries I bought. Other people get fantastic stuff out of them, but I'm mostly scratching my head..
Feel free to ask more
Incredible demo tracks as always!
Thank you! But i also have to give some thanks to the instruments, as they are easy to use and quite inspiring.
Thanks. Your skills are made wonderfully clear with these examples. Well done. Largo, by the way, means slow.
Thank you. But largo doesn't mean slow. The word for slow is lento. Wide, broad or large is the translation. In music the tempo means slower, yes, but not the literate meaning. Presto is another example.
@@SecondTierSound even if you look this up in a dictionary one of the connotations is slowly. The word often used is broadly which is interpreted by musicians as slowly. Certainly don’t wanna get into an argument about something this small but ask your musician friends and I think they will agree we all interpreted as slower. Which you actually make the point of when mentioning the BPM used for this patch.
It is a musical term yes
18:23 As long as you hold down at least one note, the current phrase will continue to play. This makes changing phrases smoothly easy without using the pedal. You don't even have to hold down a note in the current chord, as long as _any_ note is held down it will continue to play. For example, you can hold a D major chord, then release everything except for the A, then hold down a G along with the A, then the G by itself, and through all of that, the D major phrase will continue to play. It won't change chords until you have a different major or minor triad held down.
Yes, this is true, but the sustain pedal is much easier. Remembering to lift all fingers but one, and to do this smoothly and overlapping correctly, is actually quite tricky, and requires more retakes that the sustain technique does.
As someone who owns most of these libraries, I wholeheartedly agree with your pros and cons --- especially the tweaking.
Additionally, I always hit the F key that was hidden by your head because, in almost every instance, you want the phrase to end when you lift your hand off the keyboard. Not sure why that isn't the default setting.
Two questions:
1) How did you know the BPM of each library.
2) in your workflow tips, you had all four instrument groups on one track, I'm guessing for the sake of expediency.
Ideally, I think you'd want each instrument group on its own track so you could EQ and volume automate, etc. them independently and for the sake of stems.
Your reviews are top-notch.
Thank you very much!
1. I checked out the manuals, and the info on their site.
2. Depends on the library and what I need to do with it. There is definitely more control in separating the instruments, but not always necessary. I usually keep the sections together, and mix as I would on a grouptrack.
Cheers!
THANK YOU VERY EASY TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH YOU I BOUGHT NOIR AND HAVENT USED IT YET BUT IM ABOUT TO, I GOT IT TO MAKE JAZZY HIP HOP EXPERIMENTAL JAMS.
Great! Yes, it should work great for that. Get ozone vinyl (free) and out on top..
I have the all the Ostinato libraries ..they are simple to use and are super useful 🙏🙏🏿✨
Nicely presented. Alas, these libraries are limiting when venturing beyond common time.
I'm glad I watched your presentation all the way through to Indie: I can see that its interface is quite similar to Sonokinetics' 80 Retro Symphonics--playing multiple patterns by way of holding continuous keys
Indie, Noir, and 80 all use the same engine, which is a bit different than the ones used by earlier libraries (Largo and everything below it in the list on their website, which is in reverse chronological order). According to Sonokinetic, they are working on a new engine that will be pushed as an update to their entire range of phrase libraries. It likely will be a tweaked version of what Indie, Noir, and 80 have.
@@Justin.Franks Very cool, I will look forward to that update
Thanks for the heads-up
Great run through of one of my favorite Library devs. I'm curious to know what were the other libraries you used, for example the Choir and 6FH etc.
Thank you. The choir is insolidus, by 8dio, most other instruments are from Hollywood orchestra by EW.
@@SecondTierSound ah yes. Insolidus has been on my wish list for a while. Great mockup work with the libraries
Cheers! It is quite often on sale.
I am a big fan of Sonuscore "The Orchestra 3" and Sonuscore "The Score". Both are phrase based but significantly more powerful (and for electronic synth stuff, think Bladerunner, Sonuscore Elysium 2). They each have "scenes" which are predesigned complex scenes that are triggered in much the same way sonokinetic is, but much more flexible in that it does not require a major or minor chord to trigger. There are several hundred "scenes" included with The orchestra 3, these are thematic musical ideas (think enchanted forest, building army, death march, foggy bank, decisions). However, it is much more powerful than this as multiple hundreds of rythmic arpeggios are available for different sections, which makes it easy to write complex rhythms, for example, need a pattern similar to that found in Indiana Jones? What about Robin Hood Prince of Thieves? Well, chances are, you can find an arp that already has this rhythm created, but if not, you can use the built-in arp creator to make your own and either trigger them or import the midi via drag and drop into your DAW. Oh, and need dynamics? You can pre-program that as well. The orchestra 3 has 5 parts that can play simultaneously while the score has 10 parts (Elysium 2, 5 parts). This might seem limiting, but you can just open additional instances for more.
Oh, and a bonus feature? The Orchestra 3 comes in at under $500 and has the ability to play individual notes and articulations, so it can double as your orchestral library. The sound quality is very good, especially considering it is a full string, percussion, brass, and woodwind library at 20 gb and if I didnt already have a full orchestral library from Vienna Symphonic Library, I would be very content with just using the orchestra 3 for my orchestral needs.
This reminds me of Magix Music Maker back in the day. Tons of limitations but the snippets sound alright.
5 star video for a great tool
Cheers!
At 17.50 you mixed up round robin vs. release sample, otherwise a great video! Thanks!
Hey, can you share which choir you used at the end of the amazing video ?
No choir at the end of the video, but there is one in the grosso example. A choir is included in that library
Thanks a lot for the interesting overview. I'm still at the very beginning of creating my own music using these kind of programs. What I don't understand: How did you create your own melodies, which you inserted separately? Do you use a different programm to compose and record those? What do you need to do that? Thanks!
These instruments have patterns of music, and not individual notes that you can create your own melodies with. So, I used other instruments that can do that to create melodic lines, matching the patterns of the sonokinetic libraries.
@@SecondTierSound Thanks for the quick answer. I see, so those instruments you used to create the melodic lines are also part of the program?
No, different libraries entirely. Sonokinetic has those libraries too, but I was just showing off the pattern libraries.
@@SecondTierSound Ah perfect, now I got it. 🙂
Good job mate. I really appreciate you explaining stuff, that's really helpful. I'd have the same approach on my videos too😉
Ok, cool I have to check them out then.
It sounds amazing, did you do any mixing or is this the sound out of the box?
I don't remember on this one. I usually do a super light EQ and compression, but very transparent. But it does sound very good out of the box for sure. Cheers!
@@SecondTierSound I see thank you very much
i don;t know why, but the sonokinetic orchestral strings is a bit CPU hog on my cpu
Hmmm, Try the light version maybe?
Okay your work is absolutely stunning but when previewing these libraries mixing with your work you can't tell which is which sorry
Thank you. What do you mean? Can I help?
So Noir doesn't allow you to use presets or are all phrases?
It's all phrases. You decide which ones you want to use
@@SecondTierSound like session guitarist of NI.But both sound really awesome.For what they recorded it sounds excellent
Yes, quite similar, but the samples are performed rather than made by an engine, so they sound better
Yes, quite similar, but the samples are performed rather than made by an engine, so they sound better
@@SecondTierSound you mean Sessions guitarist is not recorded?Then why it sounds so realistic?This is only posibility if its pre recorded.Bit Noir is another category.Sonokinetic sound can easily compare to Spitfire and Orchestral Tools sound quality.This is my opinion
French please but very good
Mais je ne parle pas francais... You should be able to translate with the text option
@@SecondTierSound you don't speak but write it very well... 😊 thank you for the tips...
Sounds great. Sounds canned. As well as computerized. The human feel is lost. Don't like being locked into a given BPM. My pieces range from 27 BPM to a 182 BPM. At 11:00 the music sounded very stiff. At 12:20 the timing was a messy. Woodwinds sound computerized and anything but warm. The bit rate might also be an issue. In any case, I can clearly hear this is computer generated music. I've been using music soft since the 80s. STAY AWAY FROM QUANTIZE.
Thank you nevertheless. But no thank you.
Well, here's my take, as you are free to yours: I do mention in the video to not quantize these instruments, and how the samples are human. I also mention that you can change BPM. I also talk about how to avoid the repetitive nature of the instruments and how to bake the sound in, and also mentioning the samples aren't a good idea on their own. The samples are not computer generated, nor locked. The bitrate comment is just plain lying, you can't hear that on CZcams. Maybe your speakers/room/cans suck? "Warm" is a catch-all phrase that means nothing more than individual taste in EQ. STAY AWAY FROM COMMENTING BEFORE GRASPING THE CONTENT 😉
Cheers!
I'm totally fine with you not liking the instrument at all, but your comment is arrogant rather than helpful
Hi from Italy. Two question. I use Cubase, if I record a track for example with Largo... and in the same track I change harmonies 10 times, then when I listen back... does the last harmony remain or do I hear how I actually recorded in sequence? then what are those acronyms like B05 C11 etc...? Thank you
You will hear what you have recorded