Why did the Republic BARELY Use these Insanely OP Clone Wars Dreadnaughts?
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🎬Video Credits:
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Editor - Giorgi
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0:00 Intro
0:57 Lightsaber-Measuring Contest
3:20 The Battleships
7:00 The Dreadnaughts
9:15 Outro - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I would have loved to see the Pride of the Core in Star Wars The Clone Wars, as the Republics response to the Subjugater class dreadnoughts, maybe another C.I.S. one out in the open, and the two vessels face off against one another.
Giant ship Vs Giant Ship (So a dreadnought duel) would been a great thing to get to see. Sadly, I feel like most warship engagements in SW are either from the point of view of fighter pilots (protagonists), background/set up elements, or quick engagements. Would be great to actually see an official budget animated battle scene where they go all out showing just how devastating it is when two dreadnoughts are slugging it out, pulling no punches, blasting away until one is history. Sure, the screen might be completely full of turbolaser fire, but hey, it's what you get when you put thousand gunned behemoths against each other.
@@videocrowsnest5251 given the space-magic nature of jedis it could be executed simularly to Maelstrom battle in POTC-3. Two battleships duking out with guns blazing, while the fighters and boarding parties clash inbetween
If we got a proper season 7 and the promised season 8 then maybe we would have.
@@teleportedbreadfor3days U......maybe, but I always felt that the show was taking longer then the The Clone wars did.
@@madisonatteberry9720 Three years is a long time.
“We should build these more”
“Nah fam let’s make a moon with a giant cool laser lol”
Bruh facts
And far bigger pizza ships... and another giant uberweapon gun thing called the Tarkin (though its canonicity even in Legends is still dubious)... and an asteroid battlestation called the Eye of Palpatine... and an OP tiny Sun Crusher... and another way bigger pizza ship or two called the Eclipse.
Any plans for a Nostril of Palpatine, good sirs?
@@michaelandreipalon359 Just two giant linked flying laserswords firing like the Zann Consortium ships. Blowing Out those huge ass Laser and Ion rounds making the Nostrils of Palpatine the ultimate Artillery Ship. Spreading death and misery like sneezes do corona
Alrighty then, Jan.
the deathstars were created to defend against the yuuzhan vong. That's why Palpatine took over the galaxy to begin with, to unite it and buildup a military power strong enough to defeat the larger threat. But then the rebels camein and destroyed all that. So the galaxy had to fight them with whatever was left and it was so costly that the main characters despite their plot armour were killed. I think chewbacca was among them, alongside some of solos and skywalkers.
Republic Dreadnaughts: *Accidentally kills a planet*
Galactic Empire: “There are no accidents.”
Praetor class ship makes a hyperdrive jump directly into Permant.
A young Amilyn Holdo furiously scribbles notes during her history class
You think that Palpatine would used these super weapons during the Clone Wars to show the strength of these larger vessels, but it could also be that these massive warships were practically insufficient for the war, and they could cripple the war efforts and morale could be severely affected if destroyed.
Also Palp might have held them in reserve to keep the war going so the jedi would be weaker as it wore on
I think the explanation was that ships like Pretor or Mandator were designed without hyperdrives, to go around Ruusan regulations. Until they were refitted into warp capable variants, war basically ended. And after it, there was no need for such large ships outside original role of planetary defense. Empire focus on mass producing Imperials and designing purposefully build Executors.
@@TheRezro hyperdrive
@@TheRezro as I understood it, they had very limited navicomputers, with only a few routes being programmed, and were deliberately slow and relatively short ranged to classify them as 'system defence vessels'
Insufficient? How? This could blow away the pesky Providence Class the CIS had, as well as Luckerhulks.
And how would it "cripple war efforts"?
Agreed. Pride of the Core was sadly underused
I forgot that actually existed.
Because no battle over Kuat happen. I still think it was missed opportunity to not show Victory and Tector, during end of battle of Coruscant, in Clone Wars finale.
I've always found the advent of carrier based navies and their effect on naval strategy to be fascinating. Given how much Star Wars draws on the Second World War it's not surprising to see the Venator taking a leading role in the conflict.
Fun fact: Praetor and Quaestor are the names of two ranks in the Roman Republican and Imperial governments :D
Yo that’s pretty cool! Thanks for sharing
Nice!
As was imperator .
@@shanenolan8252 dictator was also a title in the Roman Repubkic. It was someone given extraordinary powers by the Senate in order to handle some emergency. It didn't really mean what its come to mean and the position was only supposed to last for the duration of the crisis
ya except more often then not the poor Venators got used as the only availeble "battleship' available and got slaughtered by proper line warships.
FYI, it is pronounced "Exec-u-tor", not "Exe-cutor". This is because it is not derived from executioner, but rather from executor, someone who presides over the distribution of an estate. So it is pronounced more like "executive" and not like "executioner."
Don’t forget that the Mandator II was a beast in the Fall of the Republic mod for EAW as well as TheXPGamers clearly showed in his playthrough.
A maelstrom together with a group of venators and victory star destroyers would be a sight to see
It is a shame that the Rebel Alliance and/or the New Republic never got their hands on these Clone Wars Dreadnaughts in order to even the odds against their enemies in the battlefield.
Eh, way too resource and personnel heavy, even when they became the New Republic.
@@michaelandreipalon359 It is often speculated that the SSD Megador, from some of the last Legends novels, was a Mandator of some sort, however - that ended up seeing NR/Galactic Alliance service.
Despite having sixteen engines, it is otherwise implied to be a much smaller vessel than an Executor, with less armament.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Don't forget the Lusankya, sister ship to the Executor.
@@phillipgouthier5525 And the bunch of Bulwark III s they got their hands on
The Rebels got their hands on some Providences and a few Lucrehulks, so it’s not like they didn’t have Clone Wars tech lying around in their fleets.
GAR had the most potential for different types of cruisers we never got to see
it's always nice to see examples of why there are hyper space lanes for a reason cause without them you end up in stars/planets
I mean you can ignore hyperlanes. Or create new ones. But hyperlanes are most of the time the safest path
Republic Navy: "Look everyone. We built some super star destroyers. They will definitely help turn the tide of the war!"
Jedi Order: "They're against the Jedi way!"
Fun facts for you non-Latin speaking Star Wars nerds:
Venator: hunter
Praetor: Two subordinate magistrates to the Roman consuls in the days of the Roman republic
Mandator/Procurator: take a wild guess
Mandator just means it mandates I guess, like an enforcer
Assorted fan art is used here, including the famous 'Pride of the Core' design for the Mandator.
In official Legends tie in material, the Mandator II inspired the design of the Bellator-class dreadnought later (see 7:58) which in some way carried over the 'humpbacked' design of part of the Mandator, apparently.
The Procurator is also by FractalSponge, though some may make it akin to 'Tagge's battlecruiser' from old Legends comics.
Size matters not? Maybe, but I'd like to see how Yoda handles something as big and with that much firepower as the Mmantator Second Class. It's big, it's bad, it's unstoppable, or is stoppable but requires so much effort to take down that it would be less costly just to surrender.
Just send in a spec ops team, especially one with skillsets equal to Kyle "Forcedamned" Katarn, Mara Jade, and Jaden Korr.
I think I should call them Katarn commandoes, after their main basis, the Kashyyyk creature, and the clone commando armor (not to be confused with that similarly named Muggle spec ops group).
Id just send in a suncrusher. Obliterate the entire star system as a "my little fighter size ship could wipe out a 1000 of those things",, thanks for dumping trillions of credits into that ship though.
Holy shit I'm just imagining Yoda just in one of those things
Battleships and Dreadnaughts would be eaten alive by the swarms of droid fighters that reigned during the Clone Wars. Even with a good support fleet around It, I don't see something as big as the Mandators and Praetors surviving a confrontation against such an immense number of smaller craft, WWII's Battleships proved that.
Maybe if they were used as according to the Tarkin Doctrine, but the GAR was never hurting when it came to starfighters, like Torrents or ARC-170s. Plus you never deploy something that big with out a sizable escort.
@@phillipgouthier5525 the clone wars really didnt make much sense when it came to starfighter combat as the torrents were horid fighters, they were slow, bulky and alkward to fly, as well as having no shields they would have been chewed up by the much larger swarms of droid fighters. and in the battle of ryloth you see just that. teh CIS should have never lost any early war. which would have made the republic not want to deploy any of their battle crusiers out in that early conflict at risk of loosing them
@@nitebones1 Let's be honest, the CIS just lost because Dooku was a moron that could not understand that he didn't needed Sidious at all and could have destroyed both him and the Republic. Without the sabotages that he did to his own war effort under Palpatine's command, like leaking the location of the Cortosis B2 Super Battle Droid production line and the Morgukai Clones breeding grounds, the CIS would have stomped the Republic. Imagine just for a second If he just betrayed and killed Sidious on board the Invisible Hand? Palpatine had centralized so much of the Senate on himself (jokes aside) that the entire thing would crumble into infighting, and the morale would be so low that entire systems would surrender imediatelly.
@@bigbangrafa8435 i always hated the whole palp sabotaged the cis story, as it just makes no sense, as for it to work all the generals and admirals would have to be on the same page which would have made keeping it a secret really diffcult. someone like trench why would he delibretly fight for a coruse that he knows is fake, as well as follow orders that would end in failer. same with the tactical droids they were programed to win and as effechently as posable, if given a order that they know would fail they would recaculate and come up with a solution to win
That is true, however with venators backing them up and screening for them they'd be very effective in providing a ship able to fight enemy capital ships directly without being horrible trade cost wise
favorite ship so far is the Praetor 2.
first time i saw it was several years ago, in the mod "Thrawn's Revenge" for Star Wars Empire at War: Forces of Corruption.
scenario: i see it, read its description, built it, and send it to a lightly defended planet with a few Corvette escorts to test it out. it goes up against a level one station, two Golan I defense platforms, and a small New Republic fleet with some light dreadnoughts in it. i send in a Corvette to scout around, find out where the platforms are, and get rid of some fighter squadrons. after about a minute or so, the map cleared up and i could see everything.
when i called in the Praetor 2, i *did not* expect it to look like a Doritos chip with a bulge in the back. i also *did not* expect it to be able to snipe targets from across the map, have the amount of firepower it did, and have such tanky shields.
this thing just casually made its way to the NR space station and started shooting at the defense platforms beside it. the a.i sent fighters, i called in a few more Corvettes to deal with them while the Praetor obliterated the platform in under a minute. the NR fleet moves away from the station and belines it right towards the Praetor, it is now targeting the other defense platform, and two of the NR dreadnoughts at the same time. at this point i'm laughing myself silly, just watching this thing go to town on everything bigger than a fighter, dropping shields in a few seconds and destroying multiple hardpoints in the same salvo. it destroys the NR dreadnoughts and starts firing at the station. along comes the last NR dreadnought, parking itself between the Praetor and the station. the shield drops and all of its hardpoints go from green to yellow to red at the same time, some kind of glitch i think. the dreadnought exploded and the station soon followed. what is left of the NR forces retreat into hyperspace. i build three more Praetors, send them to join the first one, and attack the NR held world of Fondor. this time around, the planet is defended by two level 3 platforms, two level 2 platforms, with a few MC80s guarding the level 3 station.
i called the fleet of four Praetor 2s and Corvettes the "Nacho Sweet and Spicy Chess Doritos" because the NR defenses couldn't repel flavor of that magnitude!
Wasn't the Pride of The Core also the flagship of the Republic?
Man, the warships we see in the Galactic Civil War and after that in both Canon and Legends sure were rare during the Clone Wars. Though it’s safe to say they were more common before the Ruusaan Reformations. If there’s one thing the people behind those reformations could be proud of is that the next galactic scale war taking place after the wars against the Sith didn’t have too many of these giant super warships, though the Empire of course officially ended the era of no super warships. And after that the giant ships began to become as common as they were over a thousand years ago. Makes me wonder if giant warships were more expensive during the Clone Wars and the Old Republic era than they were before and after that.
The Maelstrom makes sense though because there isn't a lot of need for turbo lasers when you are only facing droids....ion cannons will be more destructive.
Even though the Venator was a great ship, they struggled when taking on the Lucrehulks that the CIS used. I like to think that the Praetor was a perfect counter. Even if they might not have carried much in starfighters, they made up for it in raw firepower to pound a Lucrehulk into submission. With Venators to provide starfighters and escort, the Praetor would have been a wonderful ship to see in battle.
Why did the Republic BARELY use these insanely OP Clone Wars Dreadnaughts? They weren't the Empire...yet.
Exactly for that, or the Jedi
Corruption, planters forces weren't gonna give away there military forces for nothing if they could help it, the gungangs helping to supplement scooba troopers when they were low was the exception not the norm
Legends has A LOT of strengths but it also has its fair share of weaknesses. One of the biggest, in my opinion, is the ridiculous size of some of the capital ships/dreadnoughts. Some of the sizes are so colossal that it wouldn’t make any sense for them to exist in The Clone Wars. Honestly some ships are too big to even make sense in the Empire. Love the video by the way man. Very interesting, as always.
"How big do you want your flagship to be?"
"Yes!"
There have been quite a few at redesigning the Mandator-II, but I love the one used in this video. It’s distinct from all other star destroyers and star dreadnoughts with its smoother profile, but retains the elements that heavily imply it as the predecessor of the Executor-class. It’s just a shame the model has not been updated graphically.
Happened to me too couple of times but then I learnt to halve my yield by using lead layers instead of uranium ones
I mean, with the Luckerhulk and Providence Class Starships the CIS had, as well as the Munificent itself, you'd think the ships like the Praetor/Maelstrom Classes or the "Pride of the Core" would've seen more action in those massive "crucial" Space Battles of the War.
Interesting sidenote: mandator line dreadnoughts from the II onward were actually surprisingly easy to modify, and the costs were actually lower than that of the praetor, The issue was as the retrofit went in they started to become a maintenance nightmare. The best example of these retrofits is the Bellator class. Which is a mandator 3 Outfeed with a second reactor, an up-rated HyperDrive, slightly more weapon systems, and (most notably) extremely advanced engines, that allowed it to be faster than some Corellian freighters, (with the engines at full power I have seen them out run a CR90…for about 90 seconds).
Speaking of EaW: Forces of Corruption, care to try talking about the otherwise OP Zann Consortium and its wreaking havoc of the galaxy during and shortly after the primary years of the Galactic Civil War?
I wish there was more on some of their ships. Three of their best and biggest ships only exist because of that game, and have received little to no further explanation or lore, the Aggressor, the Keldabe, and the Vengeance.
A common trait of westwood games. I have been a long time fan of westwood and petroglyph games, but one thing i noticed, is that "the third faction" is always overpowered.
C&C Red alert 2 Yuri's revenge. Yuri was so OP people forbade others from playing them online. C&C generals & zero hour= GLA. Way to many units could handle everything. Wich ment you needed little tactics and just spam units and win. Quad cannon spam, Scorpion tank.
One trait all these examples have, is that the skill level is FAR lower than the other factions. Mediocre players can cheese themself way easier trough things with Yuri or GLA than the other factions
EAW FOC is another example. Rebels/empire require far more skill to be on an equal level of a Zann player.
Heh, I was actually referring to their in-universe lore and possible influences to the galaxy as a whole, but thanks for the metagaming advice.
@@michaelandreipalon359 oh sorry...
No, really, it's OK.
Pitch meeting guy: whoops
Other Pitch Meeting guy: whoopsie
I think in the novel catalyst. Their is a line about dreadnauts being built in a year .by the first year of the empire.
From a government perspective, 158 million credits sounds like a steal for a capital ship as big and formidable as the maelstrom. I would expect massive ships like that to be in the billions, otherwise the economy of Star Wars just doesn't make sense.
we dont know what the credit to dollars exchange rate is 158 million credits could be earths GDP many times over
I agree we don't know the conversion rate of republic credit to earth currency could be insane, also I think that was just the cost build it that doesn't cover maintenance repairs paying the crew supplying the crew and the Eventual retrofits to keep it modern and it would take much longer to build,not mention the risk of losing such a huge investment much easier and less risky to build Ventnors and Acclamators
@@isimiel3405 We dont know for sure, but we can guess a very rough estimate. Most sources usually list a blaster's cost for around a few hundred credits. Compare this to your average modern day handgun, also ranging form a few hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars, this suggest that credits are worth somewhere in the ballpark of about 1 - 20 dollars. Also with ships being nearly as ubiquitous and as affordable as higher end cars in star wars, we know a very cheap ship can cost a little more than ten thousand credits, which is the equivalent of a 20,000 to 100,000 dollar car, roughly. Or it can be compared with the cheaper end of aircraft which usually go for a few hundred thousand.
So if you really want to be generous on the exchange rate and go for a 1 to 20 ratio, that 158 million credits would equate to 3.16 billion USD, or under half the cost of a modern ford class aircraft carrier.
Bless Empire at War modders for letting us play with this ships
The republic after blowing up a planet: “Oopsie daisies”
Me: Reading the title.
Also me: Palpatine
One thing I've always wanted to see was a venator with SPHA in its hanger with a basic superlaser built into the hanger space, and modified to shoot through to the front of the vessel
If you want to have experience commanding these, and other lesser known ships might I suggest the empire or war mod, thrawn’s revenge
Quad concussion missile launchers that’s one of the most insane weapon emplacements I’ve heard of and I watch Star Wars ships breakdown every day
Ah the pride of the core is the flagship to be.
Yo thanks for a cracked op star destroyer review for my birthday, keep on making good content, you're a great one!
Can you talk about more Outter-rim horror stories, Cannon and Legends (like Death troopers, not the crappy Disney death troopers) please.
Love that some mods for Empire At War added some of these behemoths. And they look really good even for the game engine it's running in. That and I love these ships, thank you for the vid!
Given the similarities between the OR's star destroyers and the old Sith's style of starships, I've always wondered why nobody, y'know, brought that up.
I want to see a victory-class star destroyer in the bad batch season 2 or in the andor series.
Awesome video these videos about past star wars ships are my favorite
What
So your telling me the republic navy was just like: “Oopsie doodles, we just ended all life on the planet.”
????
Highly recommend fall of the Republic over Republic at war, it's much more modern and you can build all 4 of the ships he mentioned in this.
My favorite is the Dread-Nut. Reason: Palpatine has a Nut allergy…
Maybe the CIS weaponized space Icebergs?
Too soon? (Ps; There was room on the door!)
Well, there are space asteroid battlestations like the Eye of Palpatine.
They use them a lot in fanfics on SpaceBattles, such as Spear Of Hope and Sublight Drive.
Top Hat Mercenary Confederation has a Praetor Mark II-class Battle Cruiser, and it’s name is The Raider.
I always thought these ships had too many crew.
A ship with 100,000 crew seems like, even with crew rotation and the like, that you'd have a bunch of people watching energy conversation conduits and power relay systems. Pressing buttons sometimes to prevent power surges or redirecting power through back up systems as required.
A few hundred million credits doesn't sound like that much to me. A single aircraft carrier costs 13.3 BILLION dollars to make for comparison. That sounds like a steal for something so powerful
Most the time when you see a money amount it was added last second by someone who has no idea how much modern ships cost, let alone a ship the size of some cities
Eckhartsladder and CoreyLoses are good sources for ships. Corey through gameplay of Empire at War and Eck through lore of ships
I honestly would’ve just assumed why they didn’t make anything substantially bigger is because of a few reasons the mimics IRL
One. Massively expensive to make and maintain
Two massive fucking targets
Because those ships did not exist when the original movies came out
Everyone that has played EaW: Fall of the Republic, and is a fellow separatist Commander, has probably still nightmares from the Praetor. On it's own it is no threat for my fleet. But it's terrifying as part of a larger republic fleet. Why? It's offensive capability may be weak compared to it's size, but it's firepower shouldn't be underestimated either. The main threat however comes from it's capabilities as a flying fortress. The Praetor's shields and armor are beyond sanity and you'll lose many ships if you make the mistake of fighting this behemoth at close range.
The best tactic against a fleet supported by a Praetor, as far as I know, is a coordinated starfighter strike. Attack the Battleship with all fighters and bombers you can spare and take out it's shields and engine. Then send the majority of your starfighters against other targets, but still bombard the Dreadnought. This should weaken the enemy fleet enough to destroy it without heavy casualties. Never engage a Praetor fleet at close range, because it will force you to choose between bad and worse. If you focus on the Praetor, your ships will be destroyed by the other republic warships. If you decide to focus on the other ships, your fleet will be bombarded by the Praetor and you'll lose many ships as well. And if you decide to attack both you have already lost, because you don't have enough firepower.
I’d love to see these ships in clone war spin off l’s like bad batch or other projects
The cost of Maelstrom's were prohibitive at 158m but ISDs at 150m is fine. You could have one of these instead of 3 Venators at that price. That seems like a typo in sources if a Praetor-II cost 700m to build. Maybe it's supposed to be 1.8B instead?
I love this video! :)
Pride of the core is awesome
Lmao I was so confused while listening to the video since i've been no lifing swtor and I was thinking of the old republic halfway lol
Thank you so much for pronouncing Executor Class the way you did, this is easily my favorite Star Wars channel and your consistent output of high quality videos is remarkable(and the Clone Wars era is my fav so I like that this channel mostly focuses on that even more), keep it up!
Wait wait wait, no no no. It’s the pronounced X-eck-u-tor , right ?
The pronounciation in the vido is wrong though, its executor not execute-or (that would be executioner)
@@jBread28 ok I don’t care, his pronunciation is way cooler.
Accidentally killed a planet huh,
I thought this was star wars, not Metroid.
In thrawns revenge you can build the mandator 2 and i think 3
@4:40 Does this not validate Holdos MC85 hyperspace ram then...?
So at what point dose it become more cost effective to just build a mainline kamikaze dart to lob at a planet vs power projection, invasion forces, and super weapons 🤔
What Star Wars comic had the preator battle cruiser destroy that planet?
The Front but Star Wars, very cool
Not sure if you've covered it before. but what would a Republic Credit be worth in Modern Euros?
Easy to get it wrong with it being a rarely-used word, but Quaestor is actually pronounced as quest-er, rather than quay-stor like it's spelled.
Based on the thumbnail I thought you were going to talk about the Secutor and I was ready to tear you a new one for calling the worst Republic design OP.
btw 2500 meters is approx. 1.75 miles. From bow to stern a mile and a half to a mile and 3/4. Good god.
Palpatine knew what he was doing testing power early on to prepare for the change over of the fleet after order 66
Good Video
Those are some big Doritos
None of these ships would stand a chance against the sheer power of s GONK droid equipped with thrusters and a blaster.
Emperor Palpatine: I should let the Jedi dies first,.. Before deploying these Ass Kickers.....
I'd question how someone accidentally destroys a planet, but it's best not to question that. XD
Is it sad... I killed most of these with just a handful of CIS Providence class carriers.... And one Lucraholk battleship?
I'm kinda surprised that there were not 2 likely scenarios involving these super heavy warships given the way the Clone Wars were fought and who was actually behind them.
#1: Palpatine sends a secretly built fleet of these super heavy destroyers deep into Separatist space to wreak havoc on the Separatist core worlds; and #2: Palpatine uses these super heavies in false flags against Republic worlds as a means of gaining support for the war and increasing funding. I understand the Palpatine used the war as a means of generating fear and unrest across the galaxy for the purpose of overwhelming the ability of the Jedi to use the Force. Ships like these would have been a major force multiplier, even if all they did was show up over a planet, fire off a single volley, then jump out to the next world.
0:42 hey gestly, not trying to sound mean here but that ship is not a clone wars vessel that is one of the new republics nebula star destroyers.
The pride of the corp is super op.
Cheers
Can we get lego kits for these? They can use the other star wars kits for scale.
What did the empire do with those ships
I don’t know if Death Star cannon dreadnoughts were added by Disney but if they were then it was a major fail
Using the emp ship shown in clone wars season 1 use by grievous in trials before being destroyed the return of the ship would’ve made sense and would be less like a bad plot ploy
Ignoring the bombers the scene was still dumb and was just to get the viewer some early action and to get a cheap wow over a plot moving device
The rebels could be trying to get the big ships packed before the emp fires and then after the large cargo ships take off the emp ship could peruse them before they could jump to hyperspace and from the start there could be a great dogfight battle in space and bombing all to buy more time
The ship is just as if not more op, but it is also familiar to Star Wars and it would make sense that they would try a different technology after the Death Star failed because it was too clumsy because it couldn’t take out an attacking fleet
The emp ship while not destroying a planet would certainly cripple the civilization
aren't the larger star destroyers in the original trilogy for about 10 seconds?
the ones without the towers that crash into each other?
Completly OP for anything ^^
Agreed
The Senate wanted fair play.
Shout out to Empire at War !
0:17 The ship kinda look like Jar Jar....
All the republic needed was Anakin and some AT ET’s sitting on some asteroids and they could take on any ship lol
8:00 isn’t that a bellator, not a mandator 1?
Such a shame for a ship that took a thousand Confederacy ships just to take it down then years later it got destroyed by an X Wing and One Bomber
The first one in Empire at war: the fall of the republic is a pain in the butt……
Can you imagine if countries like the U.S. pulled the Republic BS? "Hey states, you are going to protect yourself, raise and fund your own military, but you are not allowed to raise and fund them except how 'we the federal government wants' even if you need to. States, you will also enforce FEDERAL laws with only extreme cases that have spiraled out of control being considered to be reinforced by Judicial forces. Some states will also provide representation in the Senate for neighboring smaller states who won't get to be actually represented at all technically. That said, you all have to pay federal taxes still anyways.
I am surprised something like the clone wars didn't occur sooner in the 1000 years of the stupid post ruusan reformation time period. Seriously, taxation with no representation, protection, or true autonomy somehow equated to 1000 years of peace, growth and paradise? A mystical force like the force existing is more believable than that fairy tale garbage.
Remember that the rich people in charge of those worlds got to benefit from the system, so when a rebellion popped up they sent in something to kill them, dwarf spider droids were literally designed to fight and kill Miners trying to unionize or strike, small enough to fit in the tunnels, and can blow up anything close to it to destabilize tunnels