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Cromwell's Revenge On Ireland And The Aftermath
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2024
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This video is part of a series of videos designed for a classroom flip based approach to teaching. It is designed for Secondary School/High School History.
I’m an ignorant American humbly seeking knowledge. Thank you, your presentation was very well done.
I am from Clonmel I was just in the museum on Friday last and shot this Video about Cromwell and the Siege of Clonmel I live about 5 Min walk away czcams.com/video/0_UKsYaHhEs/video.html
One way or another. When Cromwell was asked how he was going to take Waterford, he stated, by Hook or by Crooke, land fall on either side of the Waterford Estuary. My wife is from Wexford Town. A well present history.
I was never taught the Siege of Derry in school back in the 1990's. That's mainly because it was Protestant story and reflecting back, Irish history was shockingly biased in the curriculum back then (Basically, we got bullied and beaten up by the Brits for 800 years!). But as I learn more about Irish history from a very objective point of view, I must say that it has to be one of the greatest stories of resilience and determination in the history of our Island.
It's not the Brits . It's the Normans you need to point fingers at.
@@markadams738 Indeed, starting with the Dermot MacMorrow's (Diarmait MacMurchada) alliance with Norman Richard de Clare known as Strongbow, inviting his support to fight off neighboring chieftains to hold onto Leinster. De Clare married Aoife MacMorrow's daughter to seal the deal.
Thank you.
I think it's shocking how British esp English history in schools avoids colonialism & subjugation by the Britons. Covering more of our real relationship with Ireland would be a good place to start!
It's like you guys are invisible in the British curriculum, even today. It's weird as the country is RIGHT THERE, share language, not to mention the history.
Hear more often about France. It's really a bias. Even when I was becoming more woke about 15 years ago about colonialism empire etc, still Ireland has barely featured... I heard a good introspective recording of a white south African talking recently about how they sort of turn a blind eye and turned away from certain pieces of history and I think that is how the British are a lot.
@@wkt2506 Thanks for reply. First of all, I think you may have misinterpreted my reply. I was talking about how in ROI, we also got a very Anti-British 'The Union was Bad' education. The Siege of Derry was a story of Ulster Protestants who against all the odds held out against a Siege which was a follow on from a civil war in England that made its way across the Irish Sea. Had they surrendered, it could have potentially been the end of Protestant Ulster. But they held out and today's Ulster Unionist owes those people everything. No matter what anyone's political persuasion is today, nobody can possibly dispute the bravery of the people who refused to surrender. Hence, you often heard Ulster Unionists using 'No Surrender' as a rallying cry when they felt threatened by Dublin interference or wanted interference in the right of the Union to exist. Separately to all that, I think Ireland as an Island got a hell of a raw deal off The Empire throughout time. But at some stage we have to see it for what it was - complicated history where all the villains of the story are long dead. At least we are alive and can try to move forward.
@@JSL2000 I can't dispute your anecdote but we most certainly studied the 9 Year's War, with particular emphasis on the The Williamite War in Ireland, in the early 2000s. Perhaps I was lucky to have a Northern Ireland history teacher who was labelled a fenian in Belfast during the troubles yet had a protestant wife.
After 1066 there was no English nobility it was Norman French nobility that invaded both Wales and Ireland then later it was a Scottish King James 6th of Scotland that again invaded Ireland mostly due to religion IE presbytery Scots and Anglican planters.😂
You could do with enlightning yourself about middle and modern english concepts.
Where do you think the 'original' English people came from?
In Scotland Cromwells General Monk, besieged Dundee and massacred the population. At the Restoration Charles II declined compensation to what was Scotlands second largest town.
Most people have never heard of George Carew. To me, he was just as evil. He strangled men by hand and had 300 people thrown from the cliffs of Dursey island, mostly elderly people, the sick, little children and pregnant women. They were tied together in twos and threes. I think there was a rectangular fort right next to where where Dursey island tower now stands. That was where the people had taken refuge. There were fifty men guarding them but they surrendered with a promise of amnesty from Carew who had a much larger army. Carew lied and they were all slaughtered.
That's horrible. But thanks for sharing in a very human way.
Thank you. I have often wondered why my ancestors left during this period to eventually settle in Duplin County (No. Cal.) back in the mid-17th century, I believe. A long time ago, but explains some reasons why they may have left as the family history has been lost to time. I'm sure many others as well left and don't even realize why would you pick up and leave a place never to return.
so much covered so concisely in 8 minutes. What a ruthless effective man Cromwell was. The most effective military leader in Europe, and woe betide anyone who resisted
Cromwell inspired the "Insurrectionists" who leveraged the American Revolution. Cromwell's DNA is all over a democratized England, and the United States of America
Yes but remembered as a cold puritanical cruel man not a great epitaph
@@user-yb6sn5ri5lHe only lasted 9 yrs. He was basically a Puritan nut case.
What's planned for Irish people in 2023 will leave Cromwell and his antics in the ha'penny place unless Irish people realise what they're voting for and don't let the referendum go through.
what referendum?
Okay seriously? A referendum will kill more Irish than Cromwell?
Demographic Replacement
Yes, the Irish were given the choice to join the 21st century and predictably enough chose to remain in the 15th.
Interesting the difference in perspective between Europe and America. Ask Americans what happened in America 4 centuries ago. Irish talk about Cromwell as though he still walks among us.
Cromwell decendants are cursed for the rest of his miserable family tree
He's our version of hitler
We need modern day Cromwell
Cromwell was the Father of the Empire by cutting off the head of absolute monarchy, by creating the disciplined Red Coat Grenadiers, and by creating "Generals of the Sea" (which created the British war machine at sea.)
Cromwell banned the Catholic Church today's Irish would be All in favour Guess old Oliver was a bit before his time
So it's OK for an outsider to ban another nations religion?
I think its fair to say Ireland found itself on the wrong side (the side of the Royals) in the English Civil War and met the same fait as say the people of the Vendee after the French Revolution i.e. Civil War is usually a very bloody business
great work, thanks!
We might forgive (someties 😂). We never never forget.
and there's the problem
@@jaynekirsopp7123 No it`s not. It is precisely because we don`t forget that we came to the aid of the native Americans during the covid pandemic in gratitude to them for sending us food aid during the famine.
Real Irish or black Jacobites, exported to Jamaica and the Americas . All you have to do is look at the description ,of the exported soldiers.
Irish chieftains like Diarmait Mac Murchada didn't have any problems with those big bad Brits when he approached them to help him reclaim his kingdom which he lost at the hands of other chieftains in 1167. And, dont forget. The FIRST standing English army came to Ireland by invitation NOT invasion.
Just like Ukraine. We didn't invade, we were invited in.
So what , mercenaries went everywhere , brits trying to justify their obscenities
Normans
The Irish forget that the pope supported King Henry II so that he could subjugate the native Irish church and replace it with Romanism
When Cromwell returned to Britain the Roundheads were heavily outnumbered. They enticed many Irish clans to fight for the Roundheads. The war became Irish v Irish. The Tories were routed.
No they didn't, Cromwell already had control of Britain by the time of the conquest of Ireland was done.
@@fyrdman2185 Scotland rebelled & backed Charles II. He had to return to defeat the Scots.
@@paulrimmer391 He defeated the Scots while there was still fighting in Ireland. He did not use irish troops, there's not evidence of that
Papists f'd around and found out.
Two sides to every story 😊
Except the bogtrotter side doesnt matter. They were too lazy and drunk to write it 🤣
You forgot to say why Cromwell invaded in the first place and so what if he punished those that stupidly resisted in a seige. I am Irish English and Scott and I just wish you could be more even in your history.
So why do you think he invaded
@@paddyo3841 There were 6 armies in Ireland at the time. One was English in Dublin all the others were at war with England (Parliament) and could at anytime unite and invade England. I am trying to make a long story short cause there is more.
England itself has always been an occupied country. Even in 1900 just 5000 people owned 80% of English land
Cromwells soldiers were actually fighting in the Civil War to get the English land back from the Norman landowners
They were turning communist, and Churchill said that Cromwell had to attack Ireland to prevent his army dispossessing the landowners by force
Irish Catholics and Cromwells soldiers were actually fighting the same battle, had they known it, but were actually acting under what Marx called false consciousness
Are there any Irish left in Ireland?
No
Should not starve people to death
I now see why some of my relatives dislike England. I understand that when the USSR collapsed, some IRA agents desired nuclear weapons to punish England for Ireland's previous oppression. I'm pleased it never happened, but England is today a nation in serious social and national decline, as some argue that it is paying for its past misdeeds. However, I hope this is not the case, as England continues to contribute much to the western world. However, as Douglas Murry now suggests, their migration policies of embracing barbarians are bringing the nation to an end.
1690 the battle of the boyne …1st july (old calendar)
Ireland backed the wrong horse they had no problem sending troops to the England to fight for Charles or the fact they constantly raided English ports of course theirs a consequence involved.
So that justifies killing innocents, by your own lodging it was ok for the catholics to slaughter the inhabitants of Magdeburg
@@chriscaedmon1525 don't get me wrong my Dad fought in North Africa against the Nazis but are you saying that the Irish should have done anything to help Churchill the butcher of Ireland Bengal Wales and all other lands over the earth?
The sides were based on religion not nationality which is subsequently evident by the penal laws.
@@chriscaedmon1525 offering shelter and resupplying u boats? Ireland was a neutral country, and was bombed by the Germans for our aide to the allies.
Stop fucking whinging if you’re going to purposefully neglect to remember that Ireland did more for the Allies than they ever did for Nazi Germany
Rubbish analogy,England invaded Ireland first and England today is known worldwide as a bloody ethnic cleanser of the irish people ,no matter what rubbish you bleat,everyone hates the english worldwide!
My mother was an American descendant of Rory O'Moore
Was she, aye?
I think the current government should watch this video
Cromwell was hardly alone in behaving like this....there was no quaternary given to garrisons that refused to surrender.
Worked for Alexander the Great. Guess Cromwell thought it was good enough for him.
No "quarter" given.
Aye but the Irish have to play the victim
Was supported by many in ireland
Nope
Just not true , at that particular point
What rubbish.
Great is Rory Óg O Moore at sending Loons to Hades.
England used to be the most Viking nation outside of Scandinavia. This explains Cromwell's harrying of Ireland. What would William the Conquer do?
No Sir. Cromwell had to repress the Irish to stop them helping the French. It was always this way.
A great great man , he just needed to chill a bit , have a pint and a good shag sort of thing
If he did that he would not be a great great man, he would be a common low class, low impulse control council estate trash.
CROMWELL was a gobshite bit like yourself😂
@@lesleyjohnsonn6846 You're irish so opinion discarded
Its a video on ire
We have the only opinion
Hes is scum and every protestant that o neill got was the paycheck
30 thousand last time it was counted with 50 thousand british soldiers sent to hell
English interference in Ireland can be traced back to the arrival of the Normans. Unlike the Norman Conquest of England, many of the Normans who settled in Ireland assimilated with the local population, intermarried, adopted Gaelic culture etc. But is was their presence in Ireland, condoned by the English crown to which they still owed allegiance, that gave the Tudors their pretext to lay claim to the country.
@bastiat Read properly, you halfwit. I’m talking about English interference (when the English first got involved in Ireland’s affairs,) I’m not talking about a major campaign that came later.
The native Irish people didn't exactly celebrate when Normans arrived & stole their lands and then built castles to show the native Irish who the new bosses are , making them pay taxes for working land that used to belong to them .
@@kevwhufc8640 Correct, fighting continued between the Irish and the Normans who had seized territory, although it also has to be said that the first Normans were originally invited as mercenaries by Dermot MacMurrough to help him regain the lost kingship of Leinster from his native enemies. As well as seizing territory (and being “granted” territory by Henry II who had assumed kingship over Ireland as a whole with the support of the Pope,) the Normans also became embroiled in the local politics and strategic alliances between native dynasties.) Eventually the English crown sought the fealty of all Norman lords and Irish chieftains, to recognise the English king as their overlord, and in the case of the native Irish chieftains, to surrender their lands to the crown and have it regranted to them, making them Earls alongside the existing Norman Earls in Ireland (and England.) It was the Irish mistrust and rejection of this decree that led to the “Flight of the Earls” in which prominent Irish chieftains departed Ireland to settle in Europe, where they and their followers gave their allegiance to European powers (particularly Spain) and from where they continued to coordinate and participate in insurrection and rebellion on the island, notably the O’Neills who raised armies and fought in the Confederate Wars, and one of whom achieved a notable success against Cromwell during the siege of Clonmel. But I digress… yes, there was undoubtedly great local resentment against the invasions and seizure of territories by the Normans.
@@justinneill5003 a lot of interesting info 👍 that's the thing about Irish history, it's so complex and intertwined with individual stories between clan leaders and then medieval as you say since Henry 2 ' , some Norman lords did eventually see themselves as Irish , many with names beginning with Fitz , Fitzpatrick Fitzgerald, etc decend from Normans.
I think Arthur wellesley ( duke of Wellington) was Anglo irish .
Its impossible to know it all, my direct ancestor Myles O'rielly was killed in 1646, he Died defending a bridge near Finea against the English and Scottish protestant soldiers ( I can't remember who commanded them) Myles was apparently fighting a huge scotsman who plunged his sword through his cheek, but he killed the scot splitting his head from top to chin & they died together on the bridge ( so the story goes) , massively outnumbered by the British army Myles died & lost most of his men but the Irish did enough to hold the bridge until reinforcements arrived..
The O'Reilly's were close to the O'Neills, although there more to those families over the centuries, its been a long time since I last read about my Irish side of the family.
I'm descended from kings lol , the Oriellys ruled what is today part of Ulster, it was known as Breifne.
I've been to cavan, where our family had a castle the stone 'seat' on the hillside where ancient Oriellys were crowned is still there ,
Its fascinating, just reading about the Oriellys, individual heroes etc .
..sorry it's easy to get carried away with the stories, I love Ireland, a beautiful country and great fishing in the lochs.
Dermot MacMurray, king of Leinster begged HenryIII to invaded Ireland. The King said No. Dermot then offered rich rewards to Strongbow. The Normans were enticed into the Irish quagmire.
The Irish have never been slow to do to others what they bleat so loudly about when it's done to them. What happened at Drogheda has been standard practice all over the world since time began. The Americans used flame throwers in WW II. I don't see anyone complaining about it.
The Irish have never apologised for the Ulster massacres of 1000's of Protestants.
Exactly, these TradCats always exaggerating over Cromwell’s just actions. They have all this hatred for English Protestants but they don’t carry that same energy for ROMAN CATHOLICS such as the Frankish/English king Henry II who forced the Irish to convert to Papism with the blessing of English pope Adrian IV. Simping for the Pope when it was the Papacy that set up that island for failure.
When was that ?
Good
@@Shay-bp7yt They didn't need an apology probably.
They just took revenge on the rebels and their supporters.
Sorry
Not
he slaughtered the garrison because he gave them 3 chances to surrender and they refused. under the laws of siege warfare what he did was pretty standard. if you make us assault the breach we will kill you. pretty standard. except in Irish grievance culture.
Who are the hidden Edomite enemy within you can't mention, who opened up the floodgates ?
Wake up !
"So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him." (Isaiah 59:19). . ,,, , .
In 1794 the Thermidor conjurors named Robespierre " a second Cromwell" and were successfill, for his cruelty was well known still
Erland???
Cromwell was a geezer man
Iro-Angle me and still wondering what the hell all the mayhem has really been about. We just emigrated and got the hell away...( into someone elses chaos of course but here we can, as newcomers, sit on the sidelines and say " Nothing to do with us.")
Irish people were actually slaves not indentured.
I’m English and I hate Cromwell for his brutality in Ireland AND England. Horrible tyrant…who then had his son succeed him…so republican, NOT!
Cromwell is well respected in Unionism. But they lose their shit when I tell them that he was a Republican
No wonder the Irish have a empathy for the Palestinians
British justice 😊
FOC
Imperfect, as all things are, but among the best in the world.
monster dogheda wexford
Munster.
I'm Scotch-Irish in America and my family history begins in 1690 in America. For what ever reason, my family has always hated the English. We considered ourselves ethnically Scots. DNA tests prove that my family most likely came from London... yikes!
Scots and English are almost identical.
@@malcolmstead272 Not when my descendants left for America in the 1600s.
@@victorydaydeepstateHow could you know that?
@malcolmstead272 It's called history. You can do this old school thing called read a book
@@victorydaydeepstate You come across as rather sardonic, my son teaches genetics in Scotland, I thought you may know something interesting, apparently not.
Based or no
biased
Cromwell? Definitely based.
He banned Christmas. He was very based.