P12S Phase 1 Prog Tips - JP Lazy Lazers (Updated)
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- čas přidán 17. 07. 2023
- This is just a quick mini-guide showing off 3 tips I found made life a little bit easier in phase 1 of P12S.
A massive thank you to Bedrill64 for pointing out the error in my original upload!
This guide showcases 3 tips
-The 'JP Lazy Lazers' strat, which lets you avoid hypermitigating the first auto after Para 1
-How to use the debuff images to work out sides in Superchain 1
-How to use the add runes in LC to know when lazers are coming up - Hry
The parties on JP servers also do something I call 'accidental lazy lasers' where a beam shoots through the big group by accident probably because someone wasn't standing around correctly. Unfortunately since the tanks already use their cooldowns this doesn't result in any meaningful advantage lol.
PF looooooves this strat : )
Honestly, thank you for your guides, Hector. They are great and are a huge help for people! I apprechiate all the work you put in. :D
Your guides have improved the experience of people doing Savage so much this raid tier, and it really can't be understated how much the raiding community as a whole has benefitted from all the hard work you put into these videos. God bless you, Hector.
Thank you to commenters on my main video for this fight who helped me to discover these tips (and fix them)!
Phase 2 guide is still a work in progress. Let me know if you have any particular strats you think are the best to showcase.
Heya! Thanks so much for all your guides! I know it can sometimes be a bit daunting to make one since there's a lot of entitled or angry people, but the vast majority of us really really appreciate it! With respect to phase 2 strats, I would say the ones describe below in this comment are "meta" for PF. Hope it helps!! And if I'm wrong in my perception, hopefully someone else can correct me, but these are by far the most/only strats I see in PF.
**Initital TB**
Tank on W, party E. Either tankswap or invuln. Mostly see invuln in PF.
**Gaiaochos**
Add Relative with DPS going right of odd add and Supps going left of odd add seems to be the norm. Maybe mention fixed as well with Supps NW->E, DPS SE->W
**Classical 1**
BPOG strat with two variations of the safe spots for baits maybe? 1. Alpha prio North, Beta prio South with Blue baiting towards West, Purple towards N/S, Orange/red baiting towards N/S and Green baiting again towards E). 2. The same bait spots as during Classical 2, just with the changed starting spots.
**Caloric 1**
Only ever seen one strat. Fixed positions around middle with the common markers. Phys Range / Barrier Heal usually float and adjust. For outer Wind = CW Prio. If CW has another wind, go CCW. Winds inside wait, and then fill up outer Fires with DPS prio N -> CW, Supps prio NW CCW. "New" fires after explosions look CW to find an "old" fire. If another "new" fire is CW, look CCW. Meeting spots either a) on marker if there is an empty marker between "new" and "old" fire, b) in mid if two markers are in between, c) outside and on blue interesection line between the two groups if New and Old fire are next to each other. Let "new" fires move first, "old" fires join them after a second or two to avoid confusion and wrong movements - there's lots of time.
**Ekyprosis**
Simple stuff, just LP E/W or Supps/DPS for N/S. with TMHR (N/S spreads) and R1H1H2R2 or MTM1M2OT (E/W spreads)
**Pange 1**
Would showcase 2+0 and 2+1. PF now seems to lean towards 2+0. Forgot to mention it at first, but rather than rescuing, there is a pretty simple way of having one tether go N, the other either W or E and resolve the mechanic without needing to rescue. Someone else explains it well below in a comment!
**Classical 2**
Would show the macro that lets you easily identify where new safe spot is as well as mention that you can look through the two shapes in the middle of the entire setup in a straight line and see where you technically end up. But macro makes it pretty clear.
**Caloric 2 and onwards**
Haven't really gotten to it yet, but afaik it's just how Rinon suggests it?
Regarding Pangenesis: there is a non-rescue strat which works if the tank taking the tankbuster is lining up on the western edge in the conga line (in case tank gets 0 DNA they will end up on the west side after for blob soak and the following TB). If a not tank has 0 DNA the person taking the west blobs can go to the north of the arena, center and very slightly east just to be across the centerline. The 0 DNA person on the east goes to the east edge and slightly south of the boss hitbox. That way you can have both 0 DNA players on the right half, don't need to rescue and the TB will always be left. Players need to be aware of that, however, as the safe zone to stand in decreases. Regardless, there is no downtime to it either way.
Regarding Caloric 2: Just do it the way Rinon suggests it. Spread around the center with person with red marker in the middle, positions are the same as Caloric 1, except the phys ranged is southeast of H1 (H1 is south) as an "appendage" to the hexagon it forms. Wait for AOE drop under you, move to next person to pass on the fire marker, move out diagonally out of the next AOE under you. If fire starts south go CCW, if fire starts anywhere else, go CW.
Past Caloric 2 is just UAV2 which is simple: do add relative movement - stay center, watch for the tentacles - then stretch tether (don't worry about the AOE markers on the floor yet). Once stretched, tanks and melees spread out along the safe line as indicated by the tentacle. Who spreads doesn't really matter, the personal spread AOE is not very large.
Next, we get tethers, MTOTH1H2 pair up with M1M2R1R2 respectively to soak the stretched tethers. Now there are two options:
1. Everyone goes mid for healing and then the next set of tethers is stretched and soaked with partner
2. The people who stretched the tether just stay at their positions where they ended up and only the others stretch their new tethers. I've seen it rarely, but it always works out if every one of the first tether people does that and doesn't suddenly start to move.
For Classic 1 I would suggest practicing positioning like the Classic 2 spread: go north and south between the 4 shapes dead center, wait for the shape AOE, then spread left/right into the position of the existing shapes to bait the proteans, then evade back into middle. As this is the same thing as is used in Classic 2 to safely evade the protean + shape AOE (simply different timings: in Classic 1 it's shape AOE first, then protean) it can already prepare you for positioning. In Classic 2 it's protean + shape AOE at the same time, so you want to evade into southern 4 and northern 4 shapes, 1 person each, then evade into mid between the left two and right two shapes to avoid the AOE and protean bait at the same time.
Edit: I noticed it was already suggested as is by @arjandegroot4367 so yeah
Phase 2 hype!! Looks confusing :(
Can I ask, do you play in EU? These strats seem to lineup with what I've seen on Chaos/Light but are very different from the pastebin that seems to be the most common PF strats in NA.
Namely, Pastebin does
-Gaiochos fixed (Supports W->NE, DPS E->SW)
-Papan Caloric (Very different from the hex version Rinon uses)
-Ekpyrosis uses same spreads as Gaiochos
-No rescue Pangenesis
-Caloric 2 All CW (like Rinon, but no final pass to mid, as it's unnecessary)
Love how you remade your video because there was an error! Thank yooouuuu :)
would really appreciate if he put in the description or something of whats the error tho.. i watched both videos but dont remember what changed lmao
I was unaware that the first 4 angels are always the inverse of the second 4 angels in LC. My original video showed some patterns that aren't possible in game.
I'm late to the party! Hector you know it but you're a pillar of the ffxiv community, you should be proud of yourself! :)
We actually have kinda been doing this with my grp? Except the melee moves in for the 2nd set instead to avoid any further accidents since the mech is over
So I have a stupid questions for lazy lasers. Any reason one tank can't take all 4 lasers with an invuln then the other tank just provoke after? or is it just not possible to stand in a way to bait all 4? I am a DPS so was just curious rather than asking for myself.
Each angel shoots two lasers, one at each of the two closest players. That means you need a minimum of two players to bait the lazers.
You can dodge generally the same way for every pattern EXCEPT the doubled patter where 1st and 2nd beams are consecutive and 3rd and 4th beams are consecutive. 1/2 can be dodged the same way. 3/4 however, one person has to basically be almost in front of the puddle they’re chasing while the other is sitting a little bit behind the other person so as to keep both of the beams close but not get hit by both.
I'd love to see chapters here.
For the angels during limit cut, their AoE is small enough that you can stand where you need to as if you're baiting lasers so you don't really need to know if it's laser or AoE. Just stand as if you're baiting until you get hit.
Thank you for the guide! But... "in case we're still working our way through this fight"? :')
Yeah? Some people are still progging and not even up to this fight? What's the issue here
@@Roksva That i myself am still progging through the fight, no need to rub it in though :')
Was… was NA not doing this?? Wtf were they doing before? -sincerely a JP player
Just having both tanks take all the lasers, then taking a very strong auto attack afterward
PF standard in NA and EU seems to be the standard lazy lazers. It works fine, but it requires you to put a lot of faith in your healers and co-tank.
@@The9813 that sounds like hell LOL wtf
@@iSailorBoat It's not. MT just pops Vengeance/their low-CD mit, healers throw a Benison/Aquaveil and you can even have your magic DPS Addle it or something and the tank's fine.
I still think I'd prefer having everyone clustered on the correct side and the two tanks stacking together than worrying about a line of 3 people through the middle of the boss and two invulns popped at different times.
Then again, I was raised on NA Lazy Lasers so the JP one, while it doesn't seem BONKERS to pull off, does seem like more personal responsibility and thus a worse strat.
To each their own though!
@@AwefulWaffle88 yea, if you're a PLD or WAR especially, NA/EU Lazy Lazers really aren't a big deal. As long as tanks use big and small mits and healers aren't asleep and there's maybe even a feint/addle, it's fine. Those resources will all come up when needed and, as you said, just takes away personal responsibility. But JP strat is also fine, AND doing Para 1 normla is also totally okay xD
Where's our P2 guide Hector?! HUH?! I had to wrap my head around Caloric 1 without you and that sucked.
Cause rinon guide exists and pf just uses that
no more
Lazy jp laser accomplishes nothing … other details are about limitcut and SC1 are good
DPS player spotted
Cleared the tier on all the roles. You press invuln with this strat regardless… this benefits noone. Maybe a third eye samurai thats about it
@@andreascoca2523 The benefit is that it's basically using a dps in place of mitigation on the first auto when the mt still has magic vuln. Yes, the MT is still using their invuln, but their invuln will last for the duration of the debuff. In practice this is mostly useful if your MT is a paladin or maybe gunbreaker so that they don't take any dmg from that auto (whereas a drk or war will still take the big auto so extra mit is still good to reduce the healing needed after)
@@phiefer3 you have more than enough single target mitigation between the supports to stack on one person and mitigate that auto attack. Noone loses any dps doing so either.
@@andreascoca2523 Nobody loses dps in either strat. You seem to be under the impression that this was suggested as a superior method, when it was simply added as an alternative strat. Both are equally viable, there's no distinct advantage to using one over the other aside from personal preference or familiarity.
You claim that the jp lasers accomplishes nothing, but someone one the jp servers that's only seen that being suggested the regular lazy lasers would likely ask why would you do it that way when it requires a bunch of unnecessary mitigation when a dps can simply take one of the lasers instead. They would claim that lazy lasers accomplishes nothing and benefits nobody. Different strokes for different folks.
Thanks for ruining my p12s try, cause it's better to heal 3 people instead of 1 with a bene free heal. What's the point, cd is free on tank and they are no many tb on this fight, heal cost mana and cast time ! If you want to do special thing on your group, feel free to don't share this for everyone mostly when you only raid on roster and not on pu !
1. Ask melee to use bloodbath
2. Do everything else exactly the same, except now you don’t have to top up MT before the auto.
This strat requires a competent melee willing to do mid. Otherwise, it’s fairly free and is objectively easier on healers.
@@HectorHectorson no it's not easier
@@HectorHectorson "this strat requires a competent melee" that's where you missed the mark, back to the drawing board.
so: with a scholar on the party, the passive embrace from eos/carby/... is enough to fully heal up the dps or healer (usually just my own ass cuz no dps wants to bait) who took the laser. Jp lazy lazers is straight up superior.
I prefer old lazy lazer, if a melee need to bait then fuck it and do normal. And regarding lc is just easier to watch middle for beams and wait your turn, i always count them, 1-3 as soon got the last puddle move fast and if laser 2 is already went off move directly to the bait spot and keep rotating a bit if need to dont clip 5-7. Is easier than remember all the damn patterns. Just remember low number left, high number right with low number need to move/rotate a bit cw for the high number to dont clip puddle ppl. Also need lot of healing, despite using second wind and arcane crest with like 87k hp is not enough to sustain both puddles (also because only me as reaper have both them, so if partner die... matane).
The advantage of this over normal is that you won't be forcing any of your casters/healers to move and the melee only has to move from middle to max melee. This would be really good for groups with inexperienced healers, as you're completely taking the responsibility off them for the mechanic.
The point on the healing and mit during LC is important, as hugging the wall makes it hard to hit everyone with heals. A well-timed tank mit after the 4th dash can really improve the chance of everyone surviving.
One extra person doing half of Para 1 is equal to all 8 people having to do the whole mechanic? Right.