Browning 1886 Carbine - Bear Defense Gun
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- A big bore lever action is the best rifle to deliver rapid-fire of heavy loads in a self-defense situation. Many folks carry bear defense handguns now in the mountain west, just like Alaskans have done for years. A precise shot with the right handgun can save your life, but a big bore lever action rifle delivers much more power and precision. When your tasks allow carrying a .45-70 carbine, it should be your first choice.
Guns are tools , and nothing wrong with having a full toolbox !
Amen!
Sorry for your full tool box. Mine never gets full !
I concur. Motion carries!
@@richardalonzo5768Would love to add more tools to mine!
My father never allowed time to play with plastic toy guns, nerf style guns, cap guns nothing, when I was young. He did this because our family has always been hunters, and his biggest speeches to me growing up was the respect to be shown to every gun knowing if its unloaded, or even not a real gun.
Superb information!
Glad to see you now have a channel Dick. Looking forward to more content. All the best. Todd C
Don't forget Sasquatch protection
@@guycalgary7800 45-70 head shot
@@guycalgary7800 You're a lot of fun.
There is almost always more than one!
@@richards.8987 I have more than one bullet as well
The 405 STOMPS ! ! !
My good friend has one
I've shot guns my whole life
And that 405 is a beast
I had a marlin cowboy, 26 inch oct. Very heavy I agree. I have killed plenty of bears with a 30-30. Always close and fast. I sold the 45-70, but would love a smaller one. I also have used my stumpy .44 winchester that thing is fast and light.
You are a great presenter and I like how you think and your reasoning on things. You have a lot of wisdom to share with us
Thanks for the kind words.
Agreed!!!! This has become my favorite CZcams channel since finding it!
@@johncoleman2495 agreed! I’d like to have a beer with this giu
Great video about a great gun that has been sensibly modified for hunting. I have a Lyman receiver sight on mine and will see if XS sights still makes the carbine front sight blade. I used to shoot heavy loads from mine carbine and the buttstock style was nasty. I load much lighter now and its still effective and much nicer the shoot.
I love the content Dick! I'm a huge fan of both the 1886 and the 45/70. It's been pretty great coming to your channel and finding we have so much in common when it comes to firearms and cartridges. I inherited my 1886 takedown with a 24" octagon barrel from my late brother. It's a beautiful and accurate rifle and the weight goes a long way towards taming the recoil of the heavy loads! But I've also found it a little big and heavy for carrying all day or quick accurate shooting. So for me my go to is still either my Marlin 1895 guide gun equiped with Ashley ghost ring sights(now XS sights) or my model 71 .348 short rifle. While neither is capable of the accuracy I get from the 86, they're both more than accurate enough and handle much better. While I respect your opinion on all things firearm related, I'm just no fan of the solid copper extreme penetrator/defender bullets. I'm a huge proponent of old school hard cast flat nose heavy for caliber bullets. (Maybe I'm stubborn or maybe it just that they've never let me down) I handload most of my 45/70, but I've been hooked on Garrett cartridges 45/70 loads since I first got my guide gun in when they were first announced. I've yet to find anything that can compare in power/accuracy/penetration or consistency.
Thank you for another great video! Wishing you a safe and enjoyable trip!
Thats a beautiful rifle and truth is theyre meant to be used. Ive cut and drilled some maybe I shouldnt have.
Man yeah… that 86 Winchester is my favorite lever gun
Excellent.
New subscriber here, I really like your show, I have a Pedersoli Sharps rifle in 45-70, am originally from Maine, retired now and live in Florida year round, my rifle has a 34" octagon barrel, I'd like to try it on a big feral hog, looking forward to more shows from you
Make sure that hog is a HOGZILLA or with that gun and the hogs down here it will be like shooting a squrrel with it !
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There's boar 🐗 hogs in Mississippi you would need thst rifle unless the hog was up close and you could put a well placed bullet behind the hogs ear. I'm not talking lil pigs I'm talking about those souped up wanpas cats, 3 1/2' to 4' foot high on the front shoulders and 2 1/2' foot high to its tail. Some big bad hogs over here in Mississippi and Louisiana.
@@craigsellier5973 Thanks for your reply, I'd really like to get a big boar like you describe with my rifle just to see how well it will do on a critter like that
Thank you for a professional and well balanced presentation on the 45-70. I own and love my Henry 45-70 yellow boy. I also own several other rifles in various calibers with the 25-06 being one of my favorites. May the New Year find you healthy and prosperous. J.Au-en
Thank you
GREAT CHANNEL, I SUBSCRIBED.
Great information. Thank you sir!
Appreciate your videos! Thank you for the knowledge!
Mine are two of my great grandfather's 1886s, one in 45/90 and the other in 50/110 also have two Sharps in 45/120 and 50/140. My bear pistol is a Ruger Alaskan in .460 S&W mag with 300 or 350 grain hardcast flat nose or truncated cone bullets going about 1200fps
You have ALL the old big ones! The 50/110 1816 would be awesome for an african trip ... it would easily kill anything there with the right loads.
I bot a Marlin SS Guide gun a while back for my 'woods' deer and bear rifle, 18", non ported so I can use cast boolitz. 300 FedRemChester HP's for deer and LC cast 430 GC at 1700 for 'more'. We only have black bears around here, but some pretty big ones. Also Pa boar hunts on a preserve. Kills at both ends... I may drop back to 400 LC's at 1600... My field and plinking load is a LC 300 at 1500. Very accurate, and pleasant to shoot. I also use the XS sights, with the large aperture rear. I also watched your vid on handguns for bear. Think I will stick with my .45 auto. I Like your chest rig holster, gotta git me one! Jerry
The Lehigh defense are EXCELLENT rounds. I would agree that it should be your bear cartridge. For a handgun, I've heard everything from 44 mag to 500 S&W. Randy Selby recommends a Ruger 480 for bear backup. The biggest surprise for me was when I found out that a whole lot of Alaskans carried a 10mm mag for bear defense. Apparently the full power loads (1250 fps) with 200 to 220 fmj's or hard cast bullets have an impressive amount of penetration - which, as you said is a very important factor for bear defense. Something to think about.
Oh, and before I forget, I haven't read the applicable law personally, but quite a few people have said that the 45-70 is "too long" to fit the new straight walled case laws for deer hunting.
The Alaska state police carry bear spray, "to slow the bear down" and 12 ga. shotguns to kill the bear.
In some states the cartridge length limit knocks out the .45-70, but in otherwise Communist Illinois, the .45-70 is legal for deer.
The most *POTENT* 45-70 rounds available, in my opinion, are Garrett ammunition. Just make sure that your rifle can accommodate these very high pressures.
The top 10mm loads are equivalent to a 4 ich .41 Magnum revolver - 220@1250 fps. I think the .45-70 is too long for some of the straight wall states, but it is specifically allowed on the DNR list in Illinois.
@@mtkoslowski The Garretts have a great track record. Marlin 1895 or Browning/Winchester 1886 actions will handle the Garretts just fine.
you need to read Imperial Cruise, I was a Roosevelt fan until it opened my eyes.. at any rate, great vid.
new sub too! good luck, looking forward to more.
Thanks for subscribing. Wasn't familiar with the book, so googled it. The reviews of a couple of historians differed seriously with the author's contentions. His last run for the presidency certainly lowered my opinion a bit. TR certainly wasn't perfect, but his leadership style and history of "getting dirty" in his adventures make him completely different from most other presidents. And I was trained to always salute anyone with a Medal of Honor.
Any gun/hunting topics of interest?
He pioneered manipulating the masses through "media." The "outdoor" pics of him were all made at Brookes Bros studio in NYC. He was part owner of a cattle ranch outwest, inwhich his "western" visits are "questionable at best." He started life as a reporter.. at anyrate, sorry, not trying to troll it just got me thinking about "Teddy"..
Gun vids, big bore, manual transmissions, woods guns, leather belts and holsters, all good ideas for yt. Seems as every subject has been done but always looking forward to new perspectives! Thx again.
I have a Henry 45/70 lever gun for bear defense…I keep it loaded with 405 grain hard cast +P+…she kicks like hell..at both ends 😮
Got a similar version of the 1886. Mine is a 1886 Winchester (Miroku) version also in 45/70 Govt. I also added the Williams peep sight. Mine is the “deluxe “ version with a 24 inch octagon barrel and fancy wood. It goes with me up north (Saskatchewan) when I head to my cabin for hunting and bear defence as well. Yep … it’s heavy but that at least helps with recoil. With my hand loads and the Remington Cor-lok 405 gr ammo it does pretty well and is pretty bang on out to 300 yards. After that …. Not so much. Lots of hold over needed. Thanks for the video.
I had the 24" inch to start with. Heavy, but shot great!
look for a peep hole when a bear is charging at 20 feet.
If you want to do damage fast those Lehigh extreme penetrators are the way to go!!! You get more penetration than a FMJ/hard cast and more devastation on tissue than any expanding bullet… Oh s d you should get an exit wound that will be devastating and aid the whole bit. Also they work anywhere from 750 to 5,000 FPS!!! There just no way to go wrong with those Lehigh bullets (assuming you choose the right one for the task).
While I agree that these bullets penetrate well beyond what we could have imagined they would when they first came on the scene....I'd bet good money they won't outpenetrate a Garrett 540gr hammerhead.....
@@johncoleman2495 not familiar with that projectile.
However generally even if it’s hardcast copper/brass will out penetrate a bullet over 30% lighter. The reason is that even hardcast lead deforms much easier and deformation sheds energy.
I’ve tried capturing 250 grain .252” Lehigh extreme penetrators out of my 14” optima V2 pistol with 110 grains of triple 7 powder. That should give about 1,500 FPS. I’ve never caught one usually they would go through 3 water bottles then 4” of wood and end up buried too deep to retrieve.
I know 400 grain brass .416 rigby can punch through many level 4 plates.
As I said I’m not familiar with the round your talking about however I feel confident a brass round with 70-80% the sectional density could match or beat it just based on all the videos and my own experience.
@@danielcurtis1434 Randy Garrett's 45-70 Hammerhead 540-grain hard-cast at 1550-fps went 55-inches into wet newspaper." "The 500 Nitro Express with a solid weighing 570-grains penetrated 48-inches into wet newspaper, followed by the 458 Winchester Magnum with a 500-grain solid traveling at a muzzle velocity of 2260-fps and 47-inches of penetration." Penetration tests conducted at the 2001 Linebaugh seminar.
- John Taffin, American Handgunner, July / August 2002
"And I should also assure you that the ballistic figures shown for Garrett's rhino-busting 540-grain load are not a misprint. Standard deviation was zero! When I looked at the printout tape from the Oehler M-35 chronograph the first time, I thought "Uh-oh, false reading." There was only 1-fps spread showing between the fastest and the slowest rounds. So I did another 5-shot string, and it came up with a mere 2-fps spread and a standard deviation of 1.0. So I listed the first reading. That's the first time I have seen that happen in over 30-years of chronographing ammunition. Garrett loads an extremely consistent cartridge."
- Dick Metcalf, Shooting Times, April 2002
@@danielcurtis1434 I shot this load into a row of 10- 5 gallon water cooler jugs. It penetrated 6 of them lodging itself in the rear side of the 6th one. Other than rifling marks and a very slight bevel on the leading edge the bullet appeared unfired. I damaged it slightly because I had to pull it out with pliers. It still weighed 568gr(which in all reality may have been it's starting weight). I have since fired it into an amazing array of mediums and have yet to recover another bullet. Their ammunition is as high in quality and engineering as anything I have ever seen or used. I don't care how well designed the new copper bullets are there is nothing on the market that in 45/70 that can outpenetrate this load. And the blow delivered on impact by this 540gr bullet dwarfs anything else in this caliber
@@johncoleman2495 that’s sectional density. However as I said brass is harder and doesn’t deform even as hardcast will. I would consider the possibility a comparable brass bullet may be more impressive?
If you read Roosevelt's story of his African adventures you will be disgusted by the slaughter of animals. Roosevelt was a terrible shot by his own admission which is why he said, "I don't shoot well but I shoot often". He took lever actions because at the time there were few bolt actions. Many are in love with their 45-70 firearms but we all must remember the cartridge almost disappeared because superior cartridges were developed and still remain to be superior.
TR had a Springfield bolt-action (.30-06) along on the safari. With modern powders and strong actions, the .45-70 is an entirely different animal than its original form. Yes, they killed LOTS of game, which was accepted at that time. Most of TR's kills ended up in museums which had no examples of that particular species.
My big medicine is my mirouko 1886 4590 in short rifle 400 gain at 2350 fps
Someone makes a pocket deringer in 45/70. I wouldn't want to shoot it but it's fun to watch others try & hold on to it.
Why was the old Sharp's " BUFFALO GUN " said to reach out 1000 yards.
I'm sure the barrel length was not " carbine". Maybe a 28 inch barrel.
I have a Marlin 1885 in 45/70. And a Marlin 30/30 comemeritive model 1870/ 1970. Gold trigger,, insignia in the right side stock and the little round flat screw driver key chain style.
Only seen 1 other like it in the 51 years I've owned it. Guess they didn't make many.
ABSOLUTLEY LOVE YOUR LEATHER BUTT STOCK COVER !!!!!!!!
The 45/70 is the very last of the " GOOD" rifles made at the Marlin factory before the sabotage happened by the imployees
For a 45-70 to reach a thousand yards you would have to aim at the moon. Then when the bullet arrives a couple minutes later the velocity remaining would just be gravitational pull.
Wait till you see “the sister” 😎. - from Heather, the wife
@@robiemac2459 toooo cooool. That make 3 😁 maybe we can get more hits on this 30 30
One of my best friends in the world made the butt cuff for me. I was executor of his estate and sorted through the effects last week in Wyoming. He left me the .44 caliber twin to the .357 Browning Carbine in my home defense video. He also left me all the tools from his leather shop. I've made some custom knives (mostly Sgian Dubhs for myself and Scottish buddies) and will use the leather shop to turn out nice scabbards for several Damascus hunting blades I have.
That 325 gr Honey Badger load at +1900 fps isn't exactly a "powder puff" load...
The pressure profile is low enough to make it safe in a 1873 Trapdoor carbine, according to Black Hills. But, you're right, with the damage caused by the bullet's design, I think it will put down almost anything you hit (assuming you hit it well).
I’m with you on not being a collector. I have guns I use. A gun put up and never used is useless. To me collecting things is pointless. What’s the point so you can say you have it? I bought a super rare Harley and a rare Dodge. I ride and drive both. I also use my old firearms and take care of them.
Mr. Fairburn. I would like to know what you will be carrying in the chest rig.
The Safariland ALS holster on it is for a 1911 pattern pistol. I carry a custom built Colt Delta Elite 10mm.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb Outstanding. Thank you sir.
What height did you go with for the XS front sight?
The XS front blade was a limited run for the Browning 1886 carbine. The sight base on a carbine is a square base with a thin slot (running parallel to the bore) for a simple, pinned blade. It was the same height as the factory blade.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb Thank you. I just picked up a Browning 1886 carbine and found a steel version of the Lyman receiver sight on Ebay.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jbJust spoke with XS and they have a few left in different sizes, but I don’t have the gun yet it’s still in transit. Do you have the measurements of the blade by chance?
@@GooseWalk3r the blade I got from XS checks out to about .285" in height. The original blade on the rifle isn't flat on top and measures from .250" to .295". The XS blade is a little thicker, so I had to open up the slot.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb Thank you for taking the time to get those numbers for me. I’m not 100% sure if I want to modify the base to fit the XS blade, but it is something worth considering. I’m going to try out the stock blade and then go from there. Thanks again and take care.
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Are you using black powder on your reloads?
Nope, but use #2400 in my light loads with cast bullets. The old flake powders like 2400 and Unique are a mite smoky.
Another excellent video. …But a .45-70 on deer??? Oh boy, I’d hate to use that and waste edible meat. I’m still not sold with those Lehigh defense “Phillips screwdriver” bullets either. I prefer hardcast lead out of a “BIG’N” rifle. That’s just me though.
With standard pressure loads I don't see much difference between 45/70 & my 54 cal flintlock carbine(24" barrel) with the Lyman plains bullets. A hole about bore size & meat damage an inch or two around the hole but very little more. I leave the hotter stuff for hogs where making sure it & its buddies don't come come see me is more important than saving meat. Besides, the hotter stuff tends to be a bit more exciting in my guide gun.
So...does this 45-70 come with a 300win mag for a back up😅?
.338 Win Mag
…so will 308. Its about shot placement
Baiting is not hunting, don't care what your opinion is. I was born and raised in Alaska and hunted many animals and never once baited, Who does that? Some lazy rich people that want to fake are hunters. Baiting is for the weak IMHO. The entire reason why hunters like my dad, who has books written about him for his hunting, are so looked up to by real men, is the fact every record animal he harvested he hunted, no baiting no tricking no fences. You go out and find your target and have to track it and get into range without giving yourself away these are real hunters. I can not stand that people bait in animals while sitting in a tree and then claim they are hunters. A person that has never hunted a day in their life can do that and get the animal every time. For me, it is just as bad as shining for deer and calling yourself a hunter. Out of all the moose, caribou, Deer, elk, Bear, goat, sheep, gator, and boar that I have hunted, I have never once been in a tree or baited an animal. When I hunt I have to know clue if it will end with me getting an animal. Don't get me wrong if you live off the land and want to shoot moose or dear out your back window that is fine. You not hunting you harvesting for food. Almost every hunting video on CZcams today not all most 90% are farm hunts they just don't tell you, What is a farm hunt, the animals are bred by humans in a large fenced-in area and bait machines are put out by the stands, then people come and film there hunt like they are out in the wilderness hunting a wild animal. Your favorite YT hunter does this I bet everything on it. Some don't have fences but they feed so much that all the animals stay on the hunted property same thing, Then so-called rich hunters go out, and pay to "hunt" with means sitting in stand-by feeders and shooting the animals that just walk up to them, but this is not mentioned in the video now do you see the feeder.
4570 isnt that hard kicking 4590 about half again more than 4570 with hot loads with cresant but plate
You took saddle ring off
Its back on to keep dirt and debris out while in the field.
45/70 is equal to a 308.
Hate to tell you but from what I have seen, grissly bear 🐻 take that 45-70 will kill him but he won't die until after he kills you. Especially y'all in a ground blind and that close when he passes. I don't believe you could stop him from 50 yards out. You realize he can be 50 yards out and reach you within 5 seconds or less. You won't stop him in time. If he sneaks up behind y'all y'all could have your pistol, your rifle and your buddy's pistol and rifle and y'all won't make it. You can blow a Grizzly bears heart ❤ out of his body and he's gonna stay alive long enough to kill you both. I'm not trying to scare y'all and y'all can laugh at me if you want to but I've seen so many people attacked and so many people killed even though they were well armed and the bear 🐻 was found dead but so were the hunters. I hear you saying you could drop a cape Buffalo 🐃 I've seen cape Buffalo 🐃 take 12 to 14 shots to kill and were hit very well. If they charge you you better pray to God that he falls dead while you working that lever. All I can say Sir, please be safe and I'll keep y'all in my thoughts and prayers 🙏. Let us know how things work out.
I'm calling BS on your "I've seen so many people attacked and so many people killed", as statistics say there were no more than 48 fatal attacks by bears in North America between 2000 and 2017. I won't bother to cite statistics on the "I've seen Cape Buffalo..." nonsense.
I'm sure you got real interesting stories to tell that are actually true. My friendly advice is, to focus on these.
Have a nice day!
I think you're drunk.
....so you are actually looking for a reason to shoot a big Grizz w/o saying you are hunting a Grizz.....hhmmm.....being a cop, I would think you would be rethinking this......if a person went to a bad neighborhood armed walking the streets & shoots an attacker, he would be convicted as a vigilante.....just say'n .... for a friend.....
My buddy will be shooting a black bear if a big one - or a neat color phase - shows up at the bait, so I'm not "looking " to shoot a grizzly. But a heavy rifle/pistol will be comfortable while walking out each evening in the dark.
@@energizerwolf5574 I think he is retired...
You'll need something bigger than 45.70 for Sasquatch hunting. I'm guessing a laser cannon.
This summer, i'm gonna take my Taylors Co. 30 in. barrel 1885 with Buffalo Bore 405 gr hardcast bullets on a T-Rex hunt !!!
Send pictures!
Head to Perfection, and hunt Earth Dragons with Bert Gummer.
It’s to slow for follow up shots)))))
Not with enough practice.