Lego Black Knights Retrospective: Tavern Talk
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2023
- The 4th faction in Lego Castle was the Black Knights which was the first dragon Faction. Their Battles with the Forestmen, Black Falcons, Lion Knights, Wolfpack and Dragon Masters are legendary. Learn about the full history and lore behind what some would Lego's greatest Castle Faction.
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I've been anticipating this episode for a bit now! The black knights are the best of the classic era imo
Hopefully I did them justice!
Hey wait a minute... I watch you as well. Awesome!
They are 2 of my favorite castle content creators! @@afancylegoskeleton9625
What do ya mean ‘in your opinion’ this is simply fact
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The mixture of colours and armour prints is by far the most realistic appearance for a faction, it’s my favourite part of them
I will agree they are one of the most realistic looking factions Lego put out!
You know it’s gonna be a good day when you get a 16 minute tavern talk episode
I may be partial but I 100 percent agree! Best kind of day’
Amazing, Brad!
I’m twice your age and lived this stuff when it came out and I still learn something in every Tavern Talk. Thanks!
You don’t know how big of a compliment that is! My goal always is that everyone will learn at least one thing from my tavern talks!
That was cool! So interesting to learn about classic castle themes that were released even before I was born. Facinating! And I really like "Sea Serpent" and "Knigths Challenge" sets.
But I'm waiting for Royal Knights! The Royal Knights was my first Lego castle theme, I was completly facinated by their poster, portrayed the great march against Dragon Masters, and the king in golden crown, bearing the shield with roaring lion. We need more Royal Knights! Long live Brad the Lego Story Teller!
Royal knights I highly requested! I will probably end up doing them in November because I’m going to do dragon masters in November to due to the majisto gwp!
But next tavern talk should be Vikings in October due to the new Vikings set and also fright knights in October because I think it would be great to do them on Halloween!
But I should be doing royal knights by the end of the year!
In my personal Lego Castle lore, all of the Dragon Masters with the large shields are Black Knight defectors who joined Majisto.
Maybe that’s true we shall never know
Probably the black knights and dragon knights were a schism within the same royal house. Maybe when the black monarch died his kingdom was divided between his sons who kept the same charge on their shields but changed the colour of the heraldry. Later peace was restored and both branches of the family reunited, leading to knights loyal to both lords using the same shields.
Bro, it's called heater shield and kite shield, and they were actual designs from middle ages. Heater shields were primarily used by armored knights who didn't need as much protection, they were smaller and lighter, easier to move. Kite shield was mostly used by infantry, it was long enough to protect your foot.
I know there is a real name for them but I was using brick link names so people could find them easier if they wanted to look them up to buy them or something!
Fantastic! As a kid I was soooo in love with Black Knights faction (unfortunately my parents can't afford for big lego sets at that time) that after 30 years I bought all of their castles and meny figures just to put them behind glass and stare at them with cup of coffee. It brigs me so many good memories....
I had the same situation growing up but with Lego Kingdoms! Had the smallest set when I was a kid and when I grew up I bought all of them for my self😂
Maybe the blazon depicts a cockatrice - a winged basilisk - explaining the beak and the four claws per feet;
plus it might explain the wasteland since they had a very toxic influence on nature as they could kill by either mere sight, touch or breath...
That’s a solid theory!
My personal opinion as to why the Black Knights and Dragon Masters have the same long shield with swapped colors and why there are the 2 instances of the Dragon Masters using Black Knight shields is that the Dragon Masters are a splinter group which broke off from the Black Knights. Why could be many reasons, but I tend to think it involves the factional view of using magic and dragons as weapons. It would also explain why the Dragon Master torsos have a blue and red color scheme matching the Black Knights more than their own shields.
I could definitely see that. Something like majisto coming to recruit the black knights and a small army of them braking off to join him.
@@BrickingUpBrad as a kid I always used to think that Majisto was using his magic on Black knights, making them become Dragon Masters. Also the same thing with Fright knights - the witch turned green dragon to black dragon for fighting against the Lion knights. My theory explained why few sets (6037,6087) had green dragons with red wings instead of black/orange wings - those weren't tamed by magic yet. Something like this been used in Warcraft game in early 90th (first or second part, can't remember) when sorcerer could turn army of opponents into allies
It's interesting to to how the wolfpack seemed to team up with the black knights for a while, as well as the wolfpack's rivalry with the forest men. And your videos just seem to be getting longer and longer. Love it!
Brad went so deep he pulled out lego racers.
Absolutely fantastic video, 16 minutes!?!? Having the honor of being the end to the vintage era, and the beginning of classic makes them such an important part of Castle. I really hope we see them again some day, as their small shield and flag design are by far my favorite among all castle.
Look any time I can reference Lego racers I will😂😂
Glad you enjoyed it though! That quote I used at the very one I got from you! When you said it to me it was way to good not to use at the end!
And agreed! I’m hoping in the next few years we will get a black knights set!
@@BrickingUpBrad I know you just finished a massive video, but like.... already excited for the Royal Knights one lol.
I honestly think this is your best vid so far. The little cuts / jokes worked really well, which I know is hard to do. I'm always going to be confused by that cart in Dark Forest Fortress. Royal Knight flag colors, 2 different faction shields, odd torso/helmet combinations. Just.. what?
@@DragonMasterSubo 😂😂 at some point soon I hope to do royal knights! Need that package to get here first though😂. Planning on doing all the royalty in Lego castle next then power miners, then space police 1! Then probably dragon masters!
Honestly that cart reminds me of a salad you get from a pizza shop they just dump everything in😂😂 I definitely agree though it’s super bazaar!
In spite of the Black Knights Fortress being Iconic, I never had that one. I did happen to get the Sea Serpent, along with the little kit of the Black Knight and the Black Monarch's Ghost. And, that ship and the horsemen made that faction for me, as well as endeared me to the Falcons.
A lot of any set purchases I got with my meager Highschool earnings were geared toward that ship exploring new shores. Western? I didn't get a couple sets for the cowboys, I got them for the Natives. Same with some of the Ninja and Ninjago sets. I missed out on the fantasy lines, but I would have picked up some trolls and skeleton warriors for their ongoing adventures.
I still have those sets decent condition, and I will never part with them. I will also never let them into the hands of anyone under the age of 10.
That is really cool! Definitely some fantastic sets to have picked up there!
@@BrickingUpBrad They were. The Black Knight was my first, honest Lego Knight. I liked the dragon Iconography. Between him and that ship, they were the ones that made the Black Knights my favorite faction.
The following Dragon Masters might have been my first honest Castle set with the Fire Breathing Fortress, but that was after long hours of play carting the ship an Knight around.
The work you've put in is impressive, the research on the lore adds so much! And it's so cool to watch these old ads: Lego is amazing now, but those sets had, have, a special magic, nostalgia factor, I think. Keep going and thank you a lot!
Thank you so much! 🙏 glad you enjoyed it!
I was born in 1990 and still have some of my castle sets displayed today. Love your channel!
very cool, i have a lot of classic lego castle stuff but never looked into the lore that deeply (since i was a child at the time).
so in my headcanon the dragonmasters were just a continuation/off-shoot of the black knights faction.
Classic Lego castle was amazing!
Definitely can see why people think that!
New tavern talk episode, man I love tavern talk and harbor master
Very great video, Black knights are my favorite faction.
My own piece of lore: a merchant ship carrying dragon plumes and shields to the Dark Knight was raided by some pirates. Pirates were defeated and plundered by Dragon Masters, who turned the Dark Knights stuff for their own use (notably re-painting the shields). It angered the Dark Knights who went on war with the Dragon Masters.
Plus, Dark Knights started patrolling the seas with their Black Falcon friends (with who they also train on siege tactics).
Nice!
While not my #1 favorite faction, imo they were the strongest and coolest portrayed by LEGO. I always imagined the dragon masters as a breakoff faction of the Black Knights, which is what led to their demise. Still, the Black Knights were iconic and one of my all time top 5 factions
Oh yeah they we’re definitely a very throng faction! Definitely iconic!
I'm not a logger guy but I respect the hustle. You know your Lego stuff and you make it entertaining.
Appreciate it! Even if some one isn’t a big Lego fan I just want to educate and entertain!
DARK MODE DRAGONS!!!
Right I heard that and was like that is the best😂😂
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I saw it as the black knights turning into a knightly order after the death of thier monarch. With the large amounts of ships assumed they were located by the coast. That thier kingdom fell into decline after the many wars, and the effect of the chaos resulted in the rise of a new king from the royal knights house hold. That there were a religious split in the black knights where the majority sailed away, but a small core created the dragon knights. With one of those knights one day uniting the kingdom under the royal lion. Only for him to face a rebellion from a vassal in the rocky mountins…
That’s some great head cannon!
@@BrickingUpBrad was playing with lego castle at the tail end of the black knights run. so as i was playing with them, disney was on in the back ground. watched way to much gummi bears. Might sound silly, but one of the part of the lore of the show is that the majority of the gummis sailed west to escape the humans. leaving thier cities and inventions half-complete. think west rome 1-2 hundred years after the fall of rome. Black knights having the biggest fleet, it was only natrual for my child brain to assume they traveld west for glory/adventure or somthing other. The lack of siege weapons in the royal knights, dragon knights and freight nights line, could be a result of the sudden lack of sieges. The hugh black knight army was simply not there. So some castles fell into disrepair, with only a few big once standing. Basil, for example, is a vassal to the royals, in my world, but he doesn't seem to have that large of an army. even his keep is almost deserted. fast forward a generation or two, and Cedric's gang of bull knights is only 3 men strong. Far from the huge armies from the late 80s. The kingdom, has simply been depopulated.
Given the Black Knight, who led the Black Falcons in the Knight's Castle, is the exact same figure (cas175 on Bricklink) who appears in both the 1988 joust and the Black Monarch's Castle, but not the Black Falcon's Fortress, plus the note of "he went mad," it can be presumed that the Black Knights are a splinter faction of the Black Falcons following this madness.
This likely weakened the Black Falcons, who began to appear less and less, until we finally see their last appearance as two soldiers (who, notably, have grey legs, while all other Black Falcons consistently have black) who have defected to join the Black Knights (now under a different ruler since the death of the Black Knight/Monarch).
This is my lore:
Considering Royal Knights castle looks kinda similar to the Black Knights one - my guess is that Royal Knights had conquered Black Knights. The castle was damaged during the siedge and was rebuilt. So some Black Knights joined the King's army (as thir lan now belongs to the King), others may have joind the Dragon Masters.
Also Royal Knights could conquer the Wolf Hideout and rebuild it into the Draw bridge. Some Royal Knight guards have that black moustache faces that Wolfmen had, so maybe even Wolfmen were hired by the King...
Then the Royal Knights defeated the Dragon Masters and during the final sidge Majest casted some powerful spell that wen out of controll and destroyed the Dragon castle together with the rock it was build on.
Later the Fright Knights arrived in the Dragon Masters area. Their army was consisted of the suviving Dragon Masters, and that's why they have similar looking helmets and some similar faces.
When I was a kid I always thought the black knights oval shield and dragon knights oval shield were the same faction, like how crusaders have 2 different colored shields and also falcons have 2 different colored shields.
Honestly I can easily see how some one would think that!
for me the blue crusaders shields were foot soldiers and the yellow ones were the knights or mounted troops
My theory on the Dragon Masters is actually that they were the progenitors of the Black Knights but the Black Knights kind of got civilized and became part of the kingdom, then their older cousins showed up outta the mountains later to cause some trouble
So in my head they all had Dragon Masters shields originally but the Black Knights adopted the blue from the Crusaders or their kingdom in general
Love the bits of lore you find for these videos. I remember seeing a livestream or video you made talking about how you want to do other lego themes and it makes me wonder if your aware some if not all lego themes may be more connected then you think. For example in lego club magazine theirs a comic that shows the themes atlantis, Alien conquest, Dino, and pharaohs quest are all in the same universe. Theirs much lore to discover with those comics also apparently in the new 90th anniversary Galaxy explorer set theirs a 2x2 print of the spacemen discovering a bionicle canister on a beach setting which of course corresponds with the lore of bionicle
I have heard of many different connections. My goal is to do every theme then find out how they are all connected😂. But I do know about those connections in Lego club! I remember reading them when they first came out! But I’m very excited to talk about all those themes and how they are connected!
@@BrickingUpBradAwesome! I use to read those lego club comics too. Definitely look forward to any of your possible future videos on those subjects. I also have a goal of trying to theorize and connect all the different lego themes. I even like to think of how the licensed stuff could be canon cause lego Star Wars could literally be in a galaxy far far away😂
I would pay to see a movie based around this lore
7:38 the thing with the Black Knights and the Dragon Masters could be like with the two Fossoway houses on GOT, where they originally were the same family, but a big fight made them part ways and become two separate factions. Maybe?
Finally it came! And i can tell you, it’s amazing!
LETS GOOOO!!!! Glad you enjoyed it!
I think Crusaders had a splinter faction that became Black Knights then another splinter faction from that became Dragon Knights. Also I wondered about ForestMen and WolfPack , saw a few CMFs that were Dark Green Forest Men but had a Wolfpack Insignia. Also glad to see a Wolfpack member is back in the new Castle town set
This was my favorite faction as a kid. It was also the last faction to be introduced before Lego went crazy with all of the fantasy stuff. Eventually I plan to build a new Black Knights castle on the scale of the Lion Knight's Castle from last year.
Tavern Talk and Harbor Master ate always informative and interesting, awesome job
7:37 In my head canon dragon masters originally were a part of black knights but then for some reason they rebelled and became a separate faction.
Personally the Black Knights and Crusaders are the only Lego Castle factions I've ever liked as much as the Wolfpack and Forestmen/Dark Forestmen. I didn't see the Black Knights, Crusaders, and Royal Knights as separate factions, but more like a realistic medieval military where you've got a mix of salaried soldiers, mercenaries, and proper noble knights. I like the old breastplate and scale armor prints, how simple they were and how universal they were to these various factions with their lack of insignia, I see that as just "That's how armor looks on a Lego minifigure" not "this is the uniform of a specific military" the way the lion and crossed axe crests were for the Crusaders, the dragon crest for the Black Knights, the falcon for the Black Falcons, and so on.
As for "never getting a king minifigure", I'd say it's more than likely that the most elaborately bedecked knight of the big castle is in fact the king of the Black Knights, the Black Monarch himself, wearing his full battle harness rather than his ceremonial garb for attending feasts, tournaments, and parades.
I didn't have any lore for my Lego castles back in 1989-1998 (around the time I subscribed to Lego Magazine and Fright Knights and Knights Kingdom started coming out) so I made up my own. I had a Black Falcon archer with the short brown hair of a Townsperson, the young Sir David who was a junior member of the order of Knights of Cuckawhack. The Ghost of Castle Cuckawhack cursed all its residents to say _"Cuckawhack Cuckawhack Cucka-Whack-Whack-Whack"_ , which can be staved off by drinking water.
Their most evil nemeses were the Dark Lord, simply named Dark Lord (an all-black minifigure with a black head from a ghost and a black bullet helm) and the Dark Druid (a Wolfpack torso, black ghost head, and princess hat). As well as, of course, fighting ghosts, skeletons, pirates, dragons, and any action figures or stuffed animals I had at hand at the time.
Hey Brad excellent video but only the reason for the change set number was the piece count 1584 1988 - 132pieces 6066 1989 - 168pieces
Good to know! I legit was looking everywhere but couldn’t find a thing!
I always imagined they allied with the crusaders/royals against the falcons and halfway throught the dragon knights war before turning on them
YES TAVERN TALK!!!
TAVERN TALK!!!
I've personally always thought the ghost was the Black Monarch as well. I like the idea of a powerful faction led by a revenant king.
Definitely!
Um, actually... the original Knight's Castle 6073 had a small dungeon. That was my first Lego set as a kid. It didn't have the grated door like the later sets, but it indeed had a dungeon.
Honestly never saw that set in person and didn’t even realize it had one. It blends in so much.
Beautiful video! And an interesting thing to mention in 12:02 actually... You can see some Black Falcon soldiers standing around the black knight!
That begs the question of whether that was a mistake from Lego, or a hint that maybe the black falcons joined (or got conquered by) the black knights.
I always liked the Black Knights, but I agree with you about how sad it is that they never got unique torso prints!
I agree with your top point I noticed that to!
The real reason is they came with the sea serpent and when Lego does a video about some sets they use all the figs in them to advertise it better.
But it does back up my point!
love the tavern talks
Thank you!
Great job Brad, loved it
Appreciate it!
FINALLY! BEEN WAITING FOR EVA
Great castle knowledge video. 👍👍. Love these factions more after watching your video ⚔️⚔️⚔️
Right! After going into these factions and themes as deep as I do I always have a better appreciation for them!
I am 58 and love the this stuff. maybe one day I grove up.
Nah there is no need for that!!!
Great video! Loved it… just subscribed
Welcome to the channel!
I always found the black knights strange as to why they used dragons as their insignia. I think they should have used a different bird or forest creature that wasn’t a falcon
I heard that the Dark Forest sets were an America-only release, and the sets had that ramshackle hodge-podge assembly from whatever bits they had on hand to them. So, maybe that explains those sets. They think we Americans are dumb.
But, that doesn't explain the Royal Knights.
Dark forest sold in Europe in some stores. But wasn’t in the magazines over there. Lego was trying something new in Lego castle, With all those factions.
@@BrickingUpBrad Regardless, I had picked up the smallest set, and looking at the collection, small as it was, didn't impress my high-school sensibilities at the time.
The Black Knights and the Dragon Masters, could bes the same faction, but be in a Civil war.
Always a possibility!
This is the nerdiest, most amazing deep dive ever!!! Wow thank you @BrickingUpBrad for what you do!!!
That’s what I do😎😂 glad you enjoyed it! Did a dragon masters one you might be interested if you enjoyed this!
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THR DAY HATH COME
I know you have been anticipating this one😂😂 hope I did them justice!
@@BrickingUpBradyou most certainly did!
Dragon Masters helmets and armor are clearly of Asian inspiration.
The Lion King knights are clearly a successor to the Crusaders.
Also, it echoes History. The Royal Knights are from stabilized Western Royal dominions, after the crusades and colonization of the Middle East (the desertic landscapes of some of the magazine scenes) and came into contact with the Chinese Empire expansion to the West (from the Mongols but with wizards added to it)
The Black Knights were the most stylish knights in LEGO verse, their castle was amongst my all time favorite sets with its 13th Century architecture. (note that the Dragon Masters aka, Asians came just after and the Mongol hordes came from the 14th Century on, so that fits with my theory). The earlier medieval collections must have depicted 11th and 12th centuries all right, times of the first crusades, Richard the Lion Heart and Robin Hood...
The sew-on patch was to be ordered if you were a member of the LEGO-club.
Source: I own 4 of them haha :)
Well that solves that mystery 😂😂
maybe the dragon masters were once apart off the black knights but didn't like their rules and ideals so they seperated and aided majisto in his quests and became the dragon masters, and an enemy off the black knights
Great video! Patiently awaiting Dragon Masters 🤤
Soon hopefully soon🤞
I'm just curious what the names of all the magazine you referenced because I would really love to read them myself
I still have that complete black knight castle and knights, I confirm, one of the best Lego castle
That’s awesome!
I think I have more of these than any other knights as I have a castle for them
Yesssss
Really appreciate all the research! Great job!
Is there any official lore surrounding the original Crown faction from the Yellow castle or any of the three visiting knights? I remember the CMF Series 13 Classic King's description says he has "fourteen brave and loyal knights", and "they have constructed a fine golden castle", but sadly have to build their own horses. Do they appear anywhere else? I know the Chevron shield and Shamrock shield show up in the new castle. I bought TWO, but have no place at all to build it right now. 😱
Of course, prior to the '90 helmet visor you mentioned, we had the original '78 Yellow Castle visor. As you know, that only appeared in 4 sets, the castle, the tournament, and 2 minifig packs. The white visor and grey visor were only ever available in the Yellow Castle, making them relatively rare! I always thought they discontinued them because they were so fragile, which seems to be the reason they redesigned the helmet.
How does everyone feel about the old visors? I think the new ones actually look more robust, but the older ones seem more elegant. I usually imagine they are more expensive and only the wealthy or noble might have them. I've seen them listed for anywhere from $5 to $50 on BL, so I guess that checks out!
GREAT VIDEO! Really enjoy the longer format. Hope the comments help the algorithm!
Appreciate the love for the video!
So yes in the lion knights castle (amazing set highly recommend building it!) does contain some lore for the yellow castle. I talk about it in my Easter egg video for that set!
You are right about the visors I should have mentioned that but completely slipped my mind. I had a lot of information for this one😅😂
But I do agree there is positives to both!
At some point I plan on doing a video about the era of yellow castle to fright knights and how the lore goes I just want to do the 4 factions I haven’t done yet!
@@BrickingUpBrad I'll go back and watch again! Thanks!
@@BrickingUpBrad No rush at all! I appreciate all the effort that goes into these, and this feels like a good release pace. I'll be glad to see it though!
iamgine if a new CMF castle series was launched and the secret character (kind of like the highwayman was a "secret") was the white plumed knight remade and even came with a horse and new barding! ugh. my wallet just fell out of my pocket thinking about it.
😂😂😂 honestly I would rather them make a new set with that figure but way more detailed
@@BrickingUpBrad you’re right they should just do both ;)
is it possible that the falcon knight from kingdoms joust is the black knight because he did get his own unique black armor peice and horse barding
I mean could be but I don’t think so just from what I know!
Will you ever make a video as to why The Crusaders/Crown Knights/Lion Knights are always up againts the Black Knights/Dragon Knights?
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Thank you!
You make amazing videos
Thank you!
In 2022 many classic factions received an updated logo. including the Black Knights.
I guess Lego is preparing for a reuse.
I got white dragon plumes in a knights weapon and armour parts poly bag, around 93
That’s amazing!
Acording to my reaserch the black knights are a brake away faction from the black Falcons after the black falcon leader Sir richerd black or the black Knight died
Can you do a tavern talk video about 2013 castle theme lore and history video please 😢😢😢.
Its on the list and a very requested on!
I swapped all the arms to black for my black Knight army
Any possible to tell evil wizard and his skeleton army in the next episode?
They are on the list but I got some other factions first!
Maybe the Black Knight defected and founded the Black Knights? And the Dragon Masters sre a branch noble house from that descended from Black Knight
Honestly I thought of that for the black knight. I don’t know for sure but there is definitely some things that connect there.
One working theory I had was the black knight became the black monarch. But didn’t have a lot of proof to back it up when making this vid!
where do you find the old lego stopmotions
CZcams!
@@BrickingUpBrad thanks
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Listening to this as I'm going through the perhaps most annoying process, cleaning off the dust off lego pieces 😅 God the black knights castle does look quite ugly and out of place nowadays, especially next to the newly released castle for the 90s anniversary, considered selling it on several occasions. But it sure is iconic!
I miss the old TT intro music. Just my opinion.
Lego bring back the green dragons 🐉
True!!!
My sister hade black knights she is older than me i hade the green dragon sets
That’s cool!
LEGO bring us back knights in black! :)))) 2 yeras ago in BLDP Polish Lego fan name Sleepless Night created a fantastic project of new Black Knight's Castle. What a shame that Lego didn't go for it :(