Which point on the curve has the biggest slope?

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  • Which point on the curve has the biggest slope? This is a calculus 1 optimization problem.
    This problem is from Single Variable Calculus by James Stewart,
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  • @nimmira
    @nimmira Před 5 lety +24

    I appreciate all of these videos, easy and hard. Been long time since I've graduated and it's good to get some knowledge back.
    Not sure how some people think, but please keep in mind that he is doing math videos for all, on various levels. He is not doing these videos just to show off his skills with hard problems. I don't think these videos are for fun (well, they are at some point) but majorly educational. This type of problems which some call "boring" are really some critical basics in analysis, and one cannot read or spell words if one cannot sing or know the ABC.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Před 5 lety +2

      nimmira thank you!!!

    • @bulldawg4498
      @bulldawg4498 Před 5 lety

      I feel math and watching math videos can be both fun and instructional ... I'm a math mouse and likely the oldest dude watching Black Pen, and watching with relish, too ... After a long, grueling career in software development, it's good to get my brain back and return to my first love, math ...

  • @neilgerace355
    @neilgerace355 Před 5 lety +15

    A curve is steeper when the slope is -5 than when the slope is 2, but -5 < 2 ... Should the slope be the absolute value of the gradient?

    • @AayushVarma18
      @AayushVarma18 Před 5 lety

      Using this method, you should be getting the maximum value that can possibly be attained by S(x). So you will get 2 as the biggest slope.

    • @MrConverse
      @MrConverse Před 5 lety +4

      I agree with Neil. The question asks for the largest slope so the answer should be whatever value is largest regardless of sign. The simple solution is to ask which point(s) have the greatest slope. Then the answers are the ones in the video.

    • @Silver_G
      @Silver_G Před 5 lety +8

      Nope, it seems that you two mix up the 'slope' in mathematics and that in daily usage.
      A slope, in mathematics, at point A is just a number that indicates how steep the tangent at A is.
      Larger ( > 0) slope indicates that the tangent is steeper and going up. Smaller negative slope indicates that the tangent is steeper and going down.
      As this video is about finding the 'largest slope', we are finding the slope of the tangent (y = mx + c) that m is the largest positive real number, not the 'steepest tangent', thus what you mentioned is meaningless in this question.
      In fact, even if this question is modified to find the steepest tangent, -5 is not an answer since as x → ±∞, the slope of tangent → - ∞, which means there are no such thing as the steepest tangent in this question.

    • @neilgerace355
      @neilgerace355 Před 5 lety +3

      @@Silver_G You have explained it well, thanks. However I found that steepness, as defined in mathematics, is not the same as the slope or gradient, m, but is |m|. So, where the slope of a given curve is -5 the graph is steeper than where the slope is 2.

    • @Silver_G
      @Silver_G Před 5 lety +4

      @@neilgerace355 Yes, steepness itself is defined as |m| because the sign of m only represents whether the tangent is going upward or downward.
      So your statement "curve with slope -5 is steeper than curve with slope 2" is indeed, true, but it's kind of irrelevant to this question since the question only cares about the largest slope, not the steepest tangent, as I mentioned.
      One more example, observe this set of slopes, {-5, 2, 4} we know that the 4 > 2 > -5 so 4 is the "largest slope" but |2| < |4| < |-5| so even the tangent with slope 4 has the *largest slope* , this doesn't mean that it is the *steepest tangent* .

  • @Myquerencia
    @Myquerencia Před 5 lety +8

    Solve all the values of x and y such that 16^(x^2+y)+16^(y^2+x)=1

    • @NoNameAtAll2
      @NoNameAtAll2 Před 5 lety +1

      There are none?

    • @Myquerencia
      @Myquerencia Před 5 lety +3

      -1/2,-1/2 is one of the solution

    • @sheppsu7353
      @sheppsu7353 Před 4 lety

      Technically, you can choose any value for y or x, and then just solve for the other value because you didn't specify that they had to be real solutions.

  • @adude6568
    @adude6568 Před 4 lety +1

    I've never taken calculus but I know a bit about derivatives. I knew that I had to differentiate y and I did. But then all I did was write
    - 15x^4 + 120x^2 = -15(x^4 - 8x^2)
    And then complete the square
    -15(x^4 - 8x^2 + 16 - 16) = -15((x^2 - 4)^2 - 16)
    For maximum -t we need minimum t, which in this case was equivalent to minimum (x^2 - 4)^2, which is 0. Solving (x^2 - 4)^2 = 0 obviously gives x = +-2, and the slope was also 240. Here you saw a solution from a soon-to-be 10th grader

  • @omopsingh3992
    @omopsingh3992 Před 5 lety +5

    From burger King to a mathematician .I salute Ur spirit (wish I knew ur name)

  • @aidorice6328
    @aidorice6328 Před 2 lety

    Jacket so hard thank you for the help :)

  • @jonasaxelleporteza8217
    @jonasaxelleporteza8217 Před 3 lety +1

    What if the question was asking for the tangent line with the steepest slope to an ellipse?

  • @sowmyag5142
    @sowmyag5142 Před 5 lety +6

    😇😇😇 I am blessed now

  • @alihojeij2739
    @alihojeij2739 Před 3 měsíci

    thank you!

  • @guilhermefreire8093
    @guilhermefreire8093 Před 5 lety +2

    Well this is quite easy. I mean after the headache that were those crazy IIT JEE integrals.

  • @JanekDarki
    @JanekDarki Před 5 lety

    I had this example on my exams, and I'm not quite sure if i did it well:
    What are
    monotonicity of functions:
    f(x)= x+3/x+9/x^3+27/x^5...
    I figure out, that this function if sum of: (3^n)*(x^(1-2n) but wasn't sure what to do next.

  • @thetooginator153
    @thetooginator153 Před 3 lety

    Nicely done! Thank you!

  • @SlimThrull
    @SlimThrull Před 5 lety +1

    *scratches head* But points don't have a slope.

  • @abhavishwakarma5035
    @abhavishwakarma5035 Před 5 lety +3

    Please make more videos with that Helium voice😂 I am replaying it over and over again🤣

  • @atmonatmon2947
    @atmonatmon2947 Před 5 lety

    Shoot a video about what is t: a ^ b = b ^ a * t

  • @angelmendez-rivera351
    @angelmendez-rivera351 Před 5 lety +3

    Just to be clear, a positive slope is by definition bigger than a negative slope. Negative numbers are by definition smaller than positive numbers. I fail to see why people think a negative slope can be considered larger than a positive slope here.

    • @LettuceStop
      @LettuceStop Před 5 lety +2

      Larger in magnitude, not in terms of a number line. Larger can be interpreted as "more massive", which would mean the abs(s(x)). But you are correct. Positive will always be greater than negative.

    • @Joe-cz1tt
      @Joe-cz1tt Před 5 lety

      They mean the absolute value

  • @venuss.7218
    @venuss.7218 Před 2 lety

    Thank you so much for the explanation. What is your native language? Curious.

  • @granhermon2
    @granhermon2 Před 5 lety +1

    You should check the limits at infinity too, right?

    • @neilgerace355
      @neilgerace355 Před 5 lety

      The slope tends to -inf at both ends of the number line thus technically the slope is smallest (most negative) there ...?

  • @pachi06
    @pachi06 Před 5 lety

    S(x)=120x^2-15x^4=-15(x^2-4)^2+240 max S(x)=240 at x=±2

  • @AnonimityAssured
    @AnonimityAssured Před 5 lety

    It is interesting that "the largest slope" or "the biggest slope" does not mean the steepest slope, which might also be the most negative. By the way, the plural of "point of inflection/inflexion" is "points of inflection/inflexion".

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 Před 5 lety

      Julian Locke Not particularly. It makes sense, and it just follows directly from the definition of "greatest". I don't care if |-5| > |2|, because regardless of this, -5 will forever always be less than 2.

    • @AnonimityAssured
      @AnonimityAssured Před 5 lety +1

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 Really I was commenting on the use of language. If I asked you "Which is greater: my $5 debt or your $2 credit?", you might have to think about what I mean by "greater". I suspect that, in a normal conversation, you would probably ask "What do you mean by 'greater'?"

  • @user-ro9mc7oe9u
    @user-ro9mc7oe9u Před 5 lety +3

    Out of curiosity, what is the percentage of women watching this stuff? I say 75 % men 25 % women

  • @prasaddash5139
    @prasaddash5139 Před 5 lety

    Integrate::((sec^2x)-7)/(sin^7x)

  • @CubemasterXD
    @CubemasterXD Před 5 lety +1

    Dont we have to check the x => infinity?

    • @salwanshathar6753
      @salwanshathar6753 Před 5 lety +1

      You do, but in this case it goes to negative infinity, which means that it cannot have a greater slope.

    • @neilgerace355
      @neilgerace355 Před 5 lety +1

      @@salwanshathar6753 Yes, and the same as x -> -inf

    • @CubemasterXD
      @CubemasterXD Před 5 lety

      ignore me, im an idiot, its -3x^5, so it goes form +infinity to -inf, we usualy had the stuff the other way around (with highest exponent first) so i thought it goes from - to + making + infinity the highest slope

    • @salwanshathar6753
      @salwanshathar6753 Před 5 lety

      @@CubemasterXD yes, that is totally correct because it's a polynomial

  • @watermelon2783
    @watermelon2783 Před 5 lety

    This is the biggest slope going up from the left to the right, but not going down.

    • @Silver_G
      @Silver_G Před 5 lety

      The 'slope' (a number) here is not the daily 'slope' (a noun, though a number is also a noun lol) we heard.
      The slope of a point A is a number that indicates how steep the tangent at A is. Larger slope indicates steeper tangent going up, negative slope indicates steeper tangent going down.
      In this video, he just wants to find the points which have a tangent with largest slope.
      Therefore, the original statement does not need to mention "going up from left to right" or "going dowb from right to left".
      As long as he is finding the points that attain the largest slope, we do not care about whether the tangent is increasing or decreasing.

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 Před 5 lety

      "biggest slope going up from left to right, but not going down"
      you must not understand the definition of biggest. A positive slope is BY DEFINITION bigger than a negative slope.

  • @Sasquatch4lifeX
    @Sasquatch4lifeX Před 5 lety

    So I understand why we did the second derivative and found local max and min, but just by looking at the function, it would seem that the slope gets even larger at both negative and positive infinity. This graph is like the function x^3, it gets larger at both ends. Which would make the slope (tangent line) steeper.
    Are those just local max values?

    • @JensenPlaysMC
      @JensenPlaysMC Před 5 lety

      when you put infinity into he cubic ,the graph is really negative aka the gradient is concaving down ie the gradient is steep in the negative so is the least slope. however plugging in neg infinity you get a really positive number aka the gradient is concaving up. Now.... this could mean many things, it could mean that the gradient of the original function is positive and is increasing( indicating a max slope), or is really negative and is increasing (not what were looking for) . plug in neg inf into the first derivative and it will be negative indicating it is a really neg gradient getting more positive( not what were looking for)

    • @JensenPlaysMC
      @JensenPlaysMC Před 5 lety

      summary - plug inf and neg inf into 1st derivative of original function. they are both negative so cannot be largest slope

  • @stevemonkey6666
    @stevemonkey6666 Před 5 lety

    Does this not just solve for the greatest positive slope? Not the greatest absolute value slope?

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 Před 5 lety

      stevemonkey6666 The problem is not asking for the slope with the greatest absolute value, it is asking for the greatest slope. Big diffrence.

  • @mehrdadmohajer3847
    @mehrdadmohajer3847 Před 5 lety

    Let's do it with e _ funktion & use of Assymptopics. Highest degree potenz in a Function is =5 & event. 3x^5 . Costant = 1 therefor ..... 3x^5 @ 1( hire i use symbole ".. @..." to show Assymptopic ------> x=0.803
    Now y= e^x & vlue 0.803 for y ------> x= inv ln o.803 -----> X = 2.232 . Now dig this this is the meaning of coordinate ( 2, 2) & also 4 more x values( because of x^ 5 ). Therefor the most probeble POINTS are :
    P1=(2,2)..p2= ( 2, 23)....p3=( 2, 232) ....p4= (2, 2322).... p5= (2, 23222).
    Now which POINT is the answer. The one in the mittel because A = 1/2 ( a+ b ). Therefor the POINT 3( 2 , 232 ).

  • @Foxxey
    @Foxxey Před 5 lety +2

    What is i! and !i

  • @PraneshPyaraShrestha
    @PraneshPyaraShrestha Před 5 lety +1

    Black Pen Red Pen BayBay

  • @supercard9418
    @supercard9418 Před 3 lety

    godsend

  • @tamarahchilds2730
    @tamarahchilds2730 Před 4 lety

    do u tutor tho. my exam is in two days.

  • @Patapom3
    @Patapom3 Před 5 lety

    Great!

  • @iabervon
    @iabervon Před 5 lety

    You forgot to check whether the slope gets bigger than the local maxima at infinity or negative infinity. It was kind of obvious, because the left and right critical points are both maxima, but you didn't mention it.

    • @VeritasEtAequitas
      @VeritasEtAequitas Před 3 lety

      No, look at a graph. Necessarily the slope tends to +/- infinity as you approach those points, and what would you call them? How would you find those points? Any point you choose always has another further away with a greater slope.

  • @jojojorisjhjosef
    @jojojorisjhjosef Před 5 lety

    Why is it when I graph this I see no slope at x=0 ?

    • @Theraot
      @Theraot Před 5 lety +2

      In the video we see that 2, -2 are the inputs for maximun slope. However, 0 is minimun slope. You can check with S(x) that S(0) = 0. So, yeah, you should not see slope at x=0.

    • @StarNova9
      @StarNova9 Před 5 lety +2

      jojojorisjhjosef that's because that is a particular case in which something else than normal happens: you can see in your graph that left to 0, the slope is increasing (a positive slope). To the right of 0, you can see that the slope is also positive. Now, what you mean is that the value of the first derivative, which represents the slope, is 0. But that also means that the second derivative will be 0 at x=0. This is because the *rate at which the slope changes* at x=0 is also 0.

  • @sardarbekomurbekov1030

    Great

  • @averageengineeer
    @averageengineeer Před 5 lety +2

    Get this guy a proper *Microphone* ...

  • @hashirbashir
    @hashirbashir Před 5 lety

    Can you post the graph of the equation with both points marked. Just curious to see

  • @gaurangagrawal6251
    @gaurangagrawal6251 Před 5 lety

    I came to know your name is 1/1-x

  • @Gaark
    @Gaark Před 5 lety

    I thought that the second derivative gave the turning points where the slope = 0, eh? I need to re-read my notes before I go back lol

    • @HornyKangaroo314
      @HornyKangaroo314 Před 5 lety

      If im not mistaken, second derivative gives concavity and for f"(x)=0 is inflection point if there is change of concavity

    • @StarNova9
      @StarNova9 Před 5 lety +1

      Jeff if you want to know where the slope = 0, you just set the value of the first derivative to 0. If you want to know how fast the slope changes, you use the second derivative. The "turning points" about which you're talking are the points at which the change of the slope, computed by the second derivative, go from negative to positive or reversed. That's when you set the second derivative of the slope to 0.

    • @bleppss2769
      @bleppss2769 Před 5 lety

      That's true for the original function but he was trying to find the max of the slope so all the work got shifted up one derivative if it asked for the points of inflection of the slope he would need to go to the third derivative

  • @sumansharmabiswas1902
    @sumansharmabiswas1902 Před 5 lety

    "Faaassitive" 😀😀

  • @thebloxxer22
    @thebloxxer22 Před 5 lety +1

    Uhhh, the 5th degree polynomial is NOT in standard form, reverse the order of the terms please.

  • @Kumar-oe9jm
    @Kumar-oe9jm Před 5 lety +5

    Yes second

  • @jangjerdum6523
    @jangjerdum6523 Před 5 lety +3

    Please step up the difficulty. These problems are so boring.

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 Před 5 lety

      Jan Gjerdum Then don't watch. We don't need ungrateful watchers like you. The videos are aimed for his students above all else. And they are meant to educational rather than entertaining. If you want to have fun, go gambling or something.

  • @nootums
    @nootums Před 5 lety

    2=1+1

    • @nootums
      @nootums Před 5 lety

      Dr.Peyam and bprp ftw!!😂😂😂

  • @jimallysonnevado3973
    @jimallysonnevado3973 Před 5 lety

    5th comment

  • @iseewhatyoudid2944
    @iseewhatyoudid2944 Před 5 lety +1

    Sorry but Too easy
    Get some hard problems for us please
    BTW thanks for all these videos