Euler's number as a limit - How to compute it

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  • čas přidán 12. 02. 2023
  • Hi! I'm Mateo Patiño, and I record math and physics videos. Most of my content is based on problem walkthroughs and mini-lectures where I discuss a particular concept. Feel free to subscribe if you like the content or give me any feedback on things you'd like me to improve! 🍎
    In this video, I will show you how to compute Euler's number as a limit of an exponential function. This limit is pretty common to see in calculus, and there are many ways to compute it. The method I use in this video is re-writing the exponential function as the derivative of natural logarithm evaluated at x = 1.
    Don't hesitate to ask me any questions 😃

Komentáře • 52

  • @derekjones4039
    @derekjones4039 Před 7 měsíci +29

    I like the video but isn't this circular reasoning? You cannot say that the limit (the one where delta x approaches zero) is the derivative of ln(x) if the value of the limit is needed to prove the derivative of ln(x) at x=1.

    • @adventoabdielnababan1952
      @adventoabdielnababan1952 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Absolutely, i thought he was trying to calculate the value of “e”.😂

    • @jamesharmon4994
      @jamesharmon4994 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@adventoabdielnababan1952me too

    • @Hobbitangle
      @Hobbitangle Před 6 měsíci +7

      Definitely it's a kind of circular proof.
      Or even a trivial proof like this:
      "Suppose that γ is equal to 'e'. So because the limit of the expression (1+1/n)^n is equal to γ and γ is equal to 'e', then the limit is also equal to 'e'.
      The author of the video is genius!

    • @phscience797
      @phscience797 Před 6 měsíci

      While the author of this video certainly didn‘t elaborate that far, one can avoid circularity. For instance, you could define ln(x) as the antiderivative of 1/x.

    • @Hobbitangle
      @Hobbitangle Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@phscience797
      @phscience797
      "you could define ln(x) as the antiderivative of 1/x"
      No, you couldn't. You may not use any derivatives of exp(x) or ln(x) till you prove the Second Wonderful limit.

  • @guliyevshahriyar
    @guliyevshahriyar Před 7 měsíci

    Teaching many concepts in 1 video. Thank you very much!

  • @samueldeandrade8535
    @samueldeandrade8535 Před 2 měsíci +2

    This is NOT just a way to define e. This is the ORIGINAL way.

  • @victormaxwellpeters9771
    @victormaxwellpeters9771 Před 8 měsíci

    Really liked your explanation✌️please do more videos on how natural logarithmic table was first made

  • @ishrakmujibift4269
    @ishrakmujibift4269 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Not to sound harsh, but you haven’t really shown anything in this video. You have shown that the limit of (1+1/n)^n as n approaches infinity is the number e. BUT THAT IS THE DEFINITION of e! How can you prove a definition? At the same time, you did not compute e, which you said you would do.

    • @Memories_broken_
      @Memories_broken_ Před 6 měsíci

      He showed us how to compute the limit in the standard way rather than using the usual form which is exp(Limit x tends to (..) f(x)/g(x)) for the 1^infinity form

  • @billprovince8759
    @billprovince8759 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Nicely explained, but it doesn't match the description of the video! The video stated how to calculate e, which of course immediately conjures the Taylor series expansion for e^x evaluated at 1. Nevertheless, I appreciated your proof that this limit approaches e. .... Here's a related question you might want to consider: how well does this formula approximate e when n is some value like 10 or 100 or 1000. How would you characterize the convergence?

  • @charlespaxson2679
    @charlespaxson2679 Před 3 měsíci +1

    An easy way to see that something is amiss is to use a logarithm to another base. Say use log base 10, then you’d prove that the limit equals 10, not e.

  • @uggupuggu
    @uggupuggu Před 21 dnem +1

    nga how do you fine ln(x) without knowing e

  • @surajdey2877
    @surajdey2877 Před rokem +2

    Your explanation is dammm good....teach me also in some video😅😅plz plz

  • @samueldeandrade8535
    @samueldeandrade8535 Před 2 měsíci

    Some people already commented, but it is good to make it clear:
    this proof is invalid.
    But it is also common. So this youtuber shouldn't feel bad at all.

  • @lovishnahar1807
    @lovishnahar1807 Před 4 měsíci

    i have doubt in my mind on this way of proving that this involves lo hopitals rule and taking log abe e itself , actually think there musty be algeraic way to arrive here which is based on more rigour, hope u helpme with this

  • @solcarzemog5232
    @solcarzemog5232 Před 27 dny

    Circular reasoning. You cannot use ln (log base e) trying to define e itself.

  • @mehrdadmohajer3847
    @mehrdadmohajer3847 Před 8 měsíci

    👍

  • @fredsalter1915
    @fredsalter1915 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Future MIT professor here

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 Před 2 měsíci

      Well, he is young, so he can be whatever he wants to if he works hard for it.

  • @Grim_Reaper_from_Hell
    @Grim_Reaper_from_Hell Před 6 měsíci +2

    There is only one way to define e -- e=limit (1+1/x)^x. Euler defined e as a Continuous Compounding of interest rates which is limit (1+i/x)^(tx)which iis equal e^(it). If you set i and t to 1 you get e. e is not an abstract concept but has real physical meaning. And he is trying to show that e = e

    • @Memories_broken_
      @Memories_broken_ Před 6 měsíci

      Didn't Bernoulli do that?

    • @Grim_Reaper_from_Hell
      @Grim_Reaper_from_Hell Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@Memories_broken_ There are a lot of pretenders on the throne of been 1st. Euler is not one of them. But Euler was the one who named the constant in his own honour.😄😄😄😄
      Even more interesting is that we are using the ln (base e) to prove that e equal to e

    • @Memories_broken_
      @Memories_broken_ Před 6 měsíci

      @@Grim_Reaper_from_Hell oh no Bernoulli wasn't a pretender. He did notice the number appearing while working with interests and compounded sums, he just didn't dwell into it.

    • @Grim_Reaper_from_Hell
      @Grim_Reaper_from_Hell Před 6 měsíci

      @@Memories_broken_ Bernoulli is not the only one. If you look through the various books on the topic you will find a number of different names. Compounding was a popular topic back then and it is not surprising that a number of people derived the number before Euler and Bernoulli was one of them but was the Bernoulli 1st is not clear.

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 Před 2 měsíci

      You are just 4wful. Have some decency.

  • @trnfncb11
    @trnfncb11 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Wait a minute. How do you know that the derivative of ln x is 1/x without knowing that the limit you started with is equal to e??

    • @TheCalcSeries
      @TheCalcSeries  Před 6 měsíci

      Indeed, the proof that shows that the derivative of lnx is one over x already assumes the limit equals e. I didn't know this when I recorded this video, but as others say, this feels like circular reasoning!

    • @samueldeandrade8535
      @samueldeandrade8535 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@TheCalcSeries ​this doesn't "feel like" circular reasoning. This IS circular reasoning. But that's ok. Pretty common in proofs involving e.
      Usually people make circular reasoning to prove the continuity or differentiability of e^x. Your video is NOT about those. You just make a little honest understandable confusion.
      The limit in the video is the ORIGINAL definition of e. It gives the expression
      e = 1/0! + 1/1! + 1/2! + ...
      To see that, notice that for fixed n,
      (1+1/n)^n
      = sum_k C(n,k) (1/n)^k
      = sum_k n!/(k!(n-k)!) (1/n)^k
      = sum_k n(n-1)...(n-(k-1))/k! 1/n^k
      = sum_k 1/k! n/n (n-1)/n ... (n-(k-1))/n
      = sum_k 1/k! 1 (1-1/n) ... (1-(k-1)/n)
      of course, k goes from 0 to n. For n big, each term 1-k/n approximates 1 and products of those terms also approxinate 1, so each term of the sum will be approximately 1/k!, which means
      lim (1+1/n)ⁿ = sum_k 1/k!
      Some particular examples:
      n=1
      (1+1/1)¹ = 1+1
      n=2
      (1+1/2)²
      = 1+2(1/2)+(1/2)²
      = 1+1+1/4
      = 2.25
      n=3
      (1+1/3)³
      = 1+3(1/3)+3(1/3)²+(1/3)³
      = 1+1+1/3+1/27
      = 2.370370...
      n=4
      (1+1/4)⁴
      = 1+4(1/4)+6(1/4)²
      +4(1/4)³+(1/4)⁴
      = 1+1+3/8+1/16+1/256
      = 2.44140625
      n=5
      (1+1/5)⁵
      = 1+5(1/5)+
      10(1/5)²+10(1/5)³
      +5(1/5)⁴+(1/5)⁵
      = 1+1+2/5+2/25+1/125+1/3,125
      = 2.48832
      n=6
      (1+1/6)⁶
      = 1+6(1/6)+
      15(1/6)²+20(1/6)³+15(1/6)⁴
      +6(1/6)⁵+(1/6)⁶
      = 1+1+5/12+5/54+5/1296+1/1296+1/6⁶
      ≈ 2.5108239...
      It goes to e, but slowly. The obtained expression
      e = 1/0! + 1/1! + 1/2! + 1/3! + 1/4! + ...
      goes faster! Indeed,
      n=2
      sum_k 1/k! = 2.5 already
      n=3
      sum_k 1/k! = 2.6666...
      n=4
      sum_k 1/k! = 2.7083333...
      n=5
      sum_k 1/k! = 2.716666...
      n=6
      sum_k 1/k! = 2.718055555...
      n=7
      sum_k 1/k! ≈ 2.7182539...

  • @secretsecret1713
    @secretsecret1713 Před 2 měsíci +2

    This is ridiculous. It is the definition of e.

  • @edwardlitrenta5730
    @edwardlitrenta5730 Před 7 měsíci

    How can a limit be a number?

    • @fylthl
      @fylthl Před 7 měsíci

      e isn't a number?

    • @billprovince8759
      @billprovince8759 Před 7 měsíci +1

      If there was no limit (such as growing without bounds or simply never getting closer and closer to a single value), only then would you have to worry about a limit not being a number.

    • @abhilashpradhan7671
      @abhilashpradhan7671 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@fylthle is a constant. We need more reasoning for why we get e.

  • @eedestifan8047
    @eedestifan8047 Před 7 měsíci

    lhpotial make it way too easy

  • @TimoYlhainen
    @TimoYlhainen Před 7 měsíci +3

    Amazingly useless.

  • @wonkyu1qlee66
    @wonkyu1qlee66 Před rokem +2

    Learn to how to write letters and numbers

    • @TheCalcSeries
      @TheCalcSeries  Před rokem +3

      Ik my handwriting is not exactly great on the board. I've been improving it lately; I apologize if it caused any trouble.

  • @marceloflores4870
    @marceloflores4870 Před 7 měsíci

    wonderful years KEVIN ARNOLD!!!!!!!

  • @noodle7788
    @noodle7788 Před 8 měsíci

    yo bruh \left(
    ight) your parenthesis, that shit in the thumbnail looks diabolical

    • @TheCalcSeries
      @TheCalcSeries  Před 6 měsíci

      Lmao yes I had started using LaTeX recently when I recorded the video, so I didn't know there were better parenthesis. will definitely use left right parenthesis next time :)