Liar In The Cockpit | Tatarstan Airlines Flight 363
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This is the story of Tatarstan airlines flight 363. On the 17th of november 2013, in russia was a 737-500. On that particular day that had to fly the plane from Kazan to the domodedovo airport in moscow and back again. The plane took off from kazan at 11:22 am. As the plane passed through 6000 feet the air got a bit choppy. But the crew made a flawless landing at domodedovo airport. Now they just had to do the same thing for the trip back. On the hop back the plane had 50 people on board. 44 passengers and 6 crew members. The plane was fueled up with 7800 kilos of fuel or 17000 lbs of fuel.
With everything done they took off as they climbed.the controller asked for their assigned flight level. The pilots told them that they were assigned FL31. But FL31 was occupied by another airplane. So they flew at FL 29. As the plane entered the Kazan area control. The crew asked the controller for permission to descend down to 7000 feet.
The Kazan radio controller greeted the crew. “Tatarstan 363, Kazan - Radar, good evening, cleared for ILS, RWY29, QFE 980, descend to 500 m”. At 3:18 pm the plane was setting themselves. For an ILS approach onto runway 29. As they turned onto the final the plane began its turn a bit too soon, so the plane was no where where it was supposed to be when it started turning. They were flying parallel to the runway but the issue was that they were displaced by about 3.5 KM or 2 miles. The plane was handed off to the tower from the approach controller. The tower controller said “ “Tatarstan 3-6-3, Kazan Tower good evening, distance 14 kilometers, right of heading”. The controller had noticed that they were off to the right.
At 3:21 pm the plane was about 5 km or 3 miles away and at 1700 feet, add to that the fact that they were well to the right of the extended centerline. The crew said “ On glide path gear down clear to land” the controller gave them their landing clearance “Tatarstan 363, wind 220 degrees at 9 meters per second gusting 12, RWY29, cleared to land”” For the rest of us 9 m/s is about 17 knots and 12 is about 24. So quite a windy day.
But as the plane breached 1 KM from the runway the pilots came to the conclusion that their landing attempt was not salvageable at all. They said “ “Tatarstan 363, going around, non-landing position”. They were going around. The plane leveled off at about 900 feet. The plane then started to climb but not in the way that youd expect the plane was climbing a bit more steeper than most go arounds and within no time it was at 2300 feet. At 2300 feet the plane started to pitch down, violently, the plane pitched down at an angle of 75 degrees and it started diving towards the ground, the plane picked up an immense amount of speed and it impacted the ground at 240 knots, destroying the plane. No one survived. In about 43 seconds a normal go around had turned catastrophic.
As with any crash the CVR and the FDR were of paramount importance. Going over the FDR data they saw something strange the FDR showed that the recorded flight path and the actual flight path did not match up. During take off the recorded flight path was about 2 km to the south of the actual flight path. Before take off the crew had the calibrate the IRS or the intertial - Věda a technologie
Having worked in Moscow you don't need to spend long in the taxis to realise most of drivers got their licences in return for an envelope stuffed with money in fact it was in the early 2000s very much an essential requirement for the driving test, so we should not be surprised that their air schools and airlines had and may be still have the same policy.
6:51 The first officer said: "It feels as if we're going the wrong way." That statement is the first indication that this is an airline you don't want to fly on.
Flight controller should have acted more ...By telling them go round of go away..
"...please fasten your seatbelts and put your tray in the upright position. Now bend over and place your head between your knees, in the appropriate position you can now kiss your ass goodbye..."
If I'm going into space, right now I would feel safest in the Soyuz.
If I'm going into the air, I would not feel at all safe in any Russian airliner.
Russia has some of the best scientists and engineers in the world, but it does not have a culture of safety, and I have grave doubts about anything that requires maintenance.
As the West begins teaching that math and science are racist, this is a situation we will soon see here.
@@christosvoskresye of I'm going into space I would prefer an space shuttle not when it's cold tho
@@christosvoskresye - Well, pretty obvious what you are. Nobody's teaching that math and science are racist, but our crazy rightwing despises both expertise and people of color. They are the faction that denigrates science. If we go back to the Dark Ages, it will be because of *them*.
Reminds me of my time flying in the DR Congo.. They gave me a local Congolese co-pilot recently employed. He had an American FAA licence, his credentials all appeared correct. His resume' showed he'd operated a variety of aircraft as a co-pilot over the past 20 years. The only problem was, he had no idea on how to fly a plane. After two months, with me having climbed and leveled out at altitude, trimmed the aircraft for straight and level flight, I would hand over the controls. He would grip the column, begin sweating and after maybe ten minutes would reach panic mode and say.. 'James.. You take now'. We never did learn from where his paperwork came from.
What.
Probably all forged.
🤣🤣
Isn’t hard to get good forges in the Congo, don’t ask how I know.
For real? Holy shit...
remember this crash well....
it was a mixture of horror at what had happened, but also surprise at how unsurprised one was that this had happened. in our hearts, we all knew there was something very wrong, both with the airline and with the regional culture of pilot training as a whole.
Breathtaking footage from Boeing.
This is a fantastic channel - I've only recently discovered it after watching a lot of Mentour Pilot and 74 Gear - I've been bingeing on this channel for days.
I understand people are sometimes known to exaggerate on their CV but the pilot took that to a whole other level.
Really sad for all who perished, and a pretty shocking indictment of the company's operating procedures.
That MISMI waypoint is aptly named.
I loved that
True
Yeah
Damm that is just to good
It's 8 miles NE of IMBAK
Well that escalated quickly. For once, they elected to go-around. It started better than other landing accidents.
Then it ended with a 737MAX type pitch-down and straight into the ground, hence the showing of the MAX in the video.
Maybe it was one of those 737 max pitch down crashes that didn't make it into the official list.
@@michaelbuckers If you read the description, this happened 2013 with a "classic" 737-500.
this is like saying Turkish 1951 was caused by the MCAS system
Let's salute the bravery of the pilot, who took the job without all the expensive training that sports figures and soldiers and actors get.
"DO NOT ATTEMPT".
Me without a 757 Jumbo Jet:: "Ahhh dammit, alright alright, I won't."
This is a 737. And a Jumbo Jet is a 747.
@@Transilvanian90 or a DC10, or a 777X or other wide body planes
@@nativeafroeurasian Nope, jumbo jet specifically refers to the B747.
@@Transilvanian90 The 'Jumbo Jet' (capitalized) generally refers to the 747 because it was the first. Lower case 'jumbo jet' has been widely used in aviation history to refer to the first generation of large wide-bodied jets (B747, L1011, DC10 specifically, you can look up countless examples of this) but has been more generically adapted as a shorthand for the larger wide-bodied aircraft even to this day.
@@pop5678eye except that neither the 757 (like he said) nor the 737 (which is the actual aircraft involved in the video) are wide-bodies, so even the widest possible definition of “Jumbo jet” is wrong here.
Just a note here: On the B757/767 The "IRS NAV ONLY" message is displayed when no valid DME or VOR signal is received to help update the aircraft's (IRS) position, this can occur when the VORs are both manually set to a station too far away to be received or when the frequencies on the VOR selectors are wrong. This applies to aircraft without GPS. As the 737-500 are quite old, it's quite possible this particular aircract was not GPS equipped, also I believe the B737-500 doesn't have automatic VOR tunning (B757/767 do) and therefore the VORs need to be constantly manually tunned to appropriate VOR and/or ILS stations.
Maintenance and accuracy checking is a problem, once the USA and England have faded from the enroute flight plan, many overseas nations (like South American) do NOT keep their VORS/RADAR. DME's serviced until they are blown up or stolen,We used to say when you've left England by 'plane,it's a matter of by Guess and By God.!!!
Love the content. Wish you could have more images and videos related to the accident. I feel like the MAX videos were distracting to be honest. Other than that, great explanation
Fantastic episode. But I can't help but agree -- was trying to understand how a 737 MAX could possibly be involved in this accident :P
Jovany L I thought that I was the only one who focused on one of the many the test flights of the Max.
Distracting, for sure. I wanted to watch the 737 Max giving an airshow like performance. Beautiful plane, too bad it’s had its problems.
Just avert your eyes if you don’t want to see the footage. Or unsubscribe and start your own channel and produce to your standards.
@@MotJ949 It's constructive criticism given with a compliment. Your snarky response isn't warranted.
This is an extremely messed up situation. The pilot's suspicious training and qualifications remind me so much of an ugly truth that came out after the Aeroflot Flight 821 tragedy, where it was discovered that the pilots of that flight submitted falsified documents about their qualifications. So horrifying.
1:05 Footage of 737 Max showing off its incredible pitch performance. Notice how the plane can barely hold itself back from pitching up even more.
What a shame!!! The HR department needed to do more research on that pilot.
Assuming they even have an HR department.
Joe Mama so true lol
Yes, perhaps they missed some of his qualifications.
Someone in HR knew EXACTLY what his qualifications were. But he enjoyed his new television, motorcycle, and gold earrings to really care.
Bribes. What else?
Note to self :
Don't fly on any airline that comes from a country ending in "stan"
As an AirTraffic Controller (Retired many years now,) I have experienced sheer wonder, when a Cambodian DC3, made the trip from Cambodia via Vietnam '( Than Son Nhut) using a School issue Geographical map and a Boy Scout's compass which was attached to the I.P with rubber bands. He landed at Changi (WSRC) and it was my turn to collect the landing fee and radar guidance and to sign his , 'OK landed' at WSRC (Arrival Cert) Trip . He only spoke French and Cambodian, The poor old Dak showed signs of a hard life, but, what the hell, he'd flown it to Singapore, and with the help of my French Speaking colleague, had carried out a smooth touchdown and actually found his 'slot' parking on an allotted Hard Standing without problems. I have experienced quite a few, (How on earth did they fly this thing' moments, Cambodia and Indonesia appear to have pilots with Charmed lives. I would never contemplate using any other than the European, USA German or French and Singapore Airlines, personally,speaking from first hand knowledge of Let downs via PAR.GCA" Visuals and AR1. African and Indian also Indonesian airlines appear to use lucky talismen to route from A to B.
But then you don't travel anyway.
@@terryofford4977 hooooly shit is that a story. I guess as long as he knows his limitations.... flying a plane with nothing but a layman’s map and random compass is one impressive feat. You sound like you’re full of mind blowing Best Of stories, can only imagine what really experiencing these must’ve felt like.
@@terryofford4977 what do you have against Qantas?
Because of military academies, pilots from developing countries can be very proficient, but they may not be up on the latest technical geegaws. That being said, since those geegaws are put in as labor-saving/dumbing-down technology to save money, do advanced countries have any better a future?
Back for another one man, making my day 10 minutes less boring
Horror😮😮😮
Cheer up mate!
"there is 1 imposter among us"
Red sus
@@limeyfox communist sus
Wow, what a fantastic video, I hadn't even heard of this crash, but so many things went wrong here.
Quality and format of vids has improved dramatically. Happy to see your growth. Congrats on the big moves
Great job, your narration delivery was much smoother than some of your earlier videos. It’s great to see your channel evolving and improving all the time.
Thank you!
Still has errors in names
@@Dushess progress, not perfection.
That Boeing test footage made me feel things lol those S turns? The pilots must be in love
I just found your channel and I had no idea i found stuff like this so interesting
While listening to your account during the flight, I was asking myself, "Why didn't he just fly the plane. Any pilot could do it. Say on the radio that the flight computer is misbehaving, and ask for vectors for a VFR landing."
The end of the video explains it.
I have heard that pilots are depending on the automated systems a lot more than actually flying. Some have said that they can just let the plane handle everything. I guess the PIC just learned that part, and didn't know enough to just fly it himself.
Did you mean "VFR"?
@@Milesco Hah, ya, a typo. Fixed.
@@JWSmythe 👍😊
by this video it got to me the understanding that... THE 737 MAX IS QUIET...
specially after everyone inside stop screaming in fear and just explode
You can see the quality improving with each upload!!! Keep it up!
I really like this channel. The verbal format is really good for me because I can listen while in the car.
hmm
This video is a great example of what happens when you are hearing one thing, but you are seeing something else. That is why all pilots should only focus on their instruments and not their senses.
Another great video. Great job and I appreciate the high production values and the research.
I love how quickly and clearly you get to the point. Thank you!
It's always the highlight of my morning when you post a new video. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!!
🛸 Nee, dit is niet de trailer voor de nieuwe Star Wars. Wat dan wel? Check 't morgenochtend!
I don't fly and don't know planes but you make these so interesting and I'm now always watching for your videos. Keep it up brother!
That was great , your videos get better each time you upload
I just keep watching that Boeing promo video of the 737 max. I would love to be a guest on that flight.
Brilliant once again, your videos rock!
Love these videos. I have the official report for JapanAir123, and it can be so overwhelming with all the info. But you make these so much easier to understand and follow.
What happens when you get your pilot training from Bob's flight school.
My instructor's name is Bob 😭
This is my wife's home city. I have been there many times, but never flew that airline.
It's why you're still alive.
"flown by Boeing test pilots do not attempt" - as if I had a passenger jet
Wonderful job on this vid 👍
I hadn’t heard of this one - very interesting and as always well told 😎
I RUN A CAT RESCUE
@@ronniewall1481 😂😂😂😂
This was the deadliest crash of 2013
The people were deader than in other crashes..?
@@MothaLuva 😂 they weren’t just minced meat. They turned to meatloaf.
@@MothaLuva it means this crash has the most fatalities than any other aviation incident that year
Similar story to the 2008 Mexico City Learjet crash where the pilot also bought a Learjet training certificate from a fake school!
It really makes me mad that people lie about something like that. They're playing Russian roulette with innocent people's lives and that's inexcusable.
Tragic tale well told
Thank you!
Observers- Hey man you fly like you got pilots license out of a crackerjack box
Captain- (chit) *runs away*
I cannot get enough of your videos, good work!
I've been a pilot for 22 years and an airline pilot for 17 and I still try to learn and grow every day
Why is your age relevant?
@@droge192
You're the second person that thought I meant my age, sorry. I should have put
'Airline pilot for 21 years' or something.
I was trying to be humble, saying that no matter how long I've been flying, I always try to learn and grow
I like the "Flown by Boeing test pilot. Do not attempt." Like I would ever get in the pilot seat on a 737....
Love this video
After watching these videos during quarantine I swear it is going to take an act of God to get me on another flight.
I really like your videos
...cockpit communication and training is EVERYTHING.
The KLM/PanAm crash in Tenerife in 1977 was caused by KLM's most senior pilot (he was featured in their advertising).
The captain started rolling TWICE without having take-off clearance. First time, his co-pilot stopped him second time he was too afraid to say anything and we know how THAT turned out. Training doesn't help much when you don't have a "team" on the flight deck.
Lots of people died that day because the pilot over-rode the co-pilot's two warnings about not having clearance to take off...in a hurry I guess.
A typical case of sheer arrogance on the Captain's part. (KLM Crash Tenarife) Until around two years after this horrendous crash caused by the crass arrogance (Typical those days) of the Captain, CMS came into being, long called for. Some races even today, display signs of 'Arrogance' and there are many which display IGNORANCE of the tasks allotted and despite CMS being in force for some time, it is not foolproof. Read of the Antonov being flown by a Captain's 10 years old kid which duly crashed killing all on board.Some races are prone to arrogance and stupidity.
@@terryofford4977 That Antonov crash was caused because the Captain didn't realize that the autopliot had "partially" disengaged and was trying to hold altitude by pulling the nose up in a steeper and steeper turn.
You have to read the manual.
@@CannonFodder873 Forget whatever you are conversant with regarding the flying of the Antonov. The fact concerning the crash was the sheer idiocy of the 'Captain' having permitted, even encouraged his kids to fly the aircraft, no-one in their right mind would do such a thing, totally lacking in common sense,costing the lives of how many innocent passengers. The man was a complete idiot. Period !.
@@terryofford4977 Agree completely. The Captain ALSO was unaware of the quirks of the Airbus autopilot system...that's a little concerning, considering he was in command of the aircraft.
Good training, huh ?
@@CannonFodder873 Yes indeed, The Airbus is a complete 'breakaway' from the regular requirments/instructive procedures normal associated with flying a Jet Airliner. In My opinion, far too much reliance is placed on electronics which, like humans, are not infallible. The so called 'automation may lead to a tendency of 'laziness and lack of attention', then there's the sheer lunacy of corporations such as BOEING, (Once builders of fine aircraft) where Automation is taken to the limit,and worse, NO information is offered requiring handling of the electronic gimmicks in the latest Boeing. unforgivable.In the airline business too, there's the' Press on regardless' pressure placed on Flying crews, and ultimately on AIrcraft engineering staff, ANYTHING to save 20 cents an hour, ALASKA AIrlines are a perfect example of the sort of cost cutting I have witnessed in my 30 plus years of Air Traffic Control and AIrcraft scheduling and flight planning.
As with so many accidents, there were a SERIES of errors that led to the final catastrophe. If any of these had been eliminated, chances are that the outcome wouldn't have been so tragic.
*dramatic music plays: duh nuh duh nuh duh nuh* Announcer: Disasters don't "just happen." They are triggered by a chain of critical events. Unlock the clues and count down those final... SECONDS FROM DISASTER! *wrooo*
Unbelievable!!! Great channel 👍
I absolutely love the 737 max footage B737 photos
A friend said, "hey, what do you watch these days" I said Mini crash investigations, he said, "WHAT! you are never going to fly again" I said, " thats right."
Listening to this while cycling thanks dude great stuff
The rest of us will watch out for you
It's one thing to sneak into the movies - and another onto a flight deck ! A disaster waiting to happen . I think I drove a golf cart - under age . That's MY limit .
I think our approach is a bit out of alignment Captain. 'What do mean by a 'bit'?' Oh a bit less than 4km.
Excellent narrative
At 0:52 Nit picking to be sure but flight level is expressed in hundreds of feet and in three digits. So 37,000 feet is fl 370.
In Russia, flight levels are in meters.
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 If flight level 31 means 3100 meters 10,000 feet which is way too low for efficient cruise.
Does ATC not issue radar vectors anymore? When I was in ATC (military) I would PTAC - position to FAF, turn to intercept the localizor, altitude to maintain until established, cleared for the approach. The pilot flew the plane, we did the navigation.
He was too far from the approach, the video says the plane automatics would be able to intercept direction and correct course, if it was not too far. But I may be wrong
I was a petrol tanker driver and one of our assessors took an eastern european driver for a test and document check. Something rankled with the paperwork but he wasn't sure what. He went to grab a coffee and had a sitdown to look again. It then dawned on him that the British Hazgoods license was fake, the authorised signature done in the continental fashion. On a similar note, a fellow driver who I knew to not have an LGV C+E license got a job collecting trailers from Wales and taking them to Essex. When I asked him how he said it was for an Irish company and they were supplying him with the (false) documents.
Too much plane for a novice. Like a friend of mine who wiped out his new motorcycle on a turn because it's acceleration startled him so he held on tighter to the accelerator handle.
Brilliant narration.
Does anyone else feel like the conditions of this crash are eerily similar to those which caused the two crashes of the MAX8?
The uncontrollable upward pitching of the nose?
Said pitching eventually causing the aircraft to fly in a sine wave pattern, while the pilots fought to regain level flight?
The whole situation ending with an uncontrolled collision with terrain, when the bottom of the sine wave became the ground?
While I realize there are major differences between the 737-500, and the MAX8, is there a chance that the 737 was already susceptible to this type of dysfunction? Did the addition of the larger, off-centre engines and MCAS merely exacerbate a weakness already present in the 737’s design?
Well aside from how you say Tatarstan the entire time, this was a good video.
Great video as per usual. I like forward to all your uploads. I'm making my way through your catalog.
Hey how are you doing in Alex recently found your channel, and I've litterly watched almost every one lol. I wanted to make a suggestion for a video, I live in west virginia and there was a bad accident in 1970 that killed the entire marshall university football team, I cannot find any real info on the accident and wonder if you would like to make a video about it, I appreciate your time, thanks
They made a Move “we are Marshall “. Excellent Story. Good idea!!!
Love the upgrade In b-roll footage
Thank you
I find your videos to be excellent. Thank you for presenting the information so clearly.
It is INS, and yes it can be updated in flight.
Even the captain credential is questionable, the plain crash still has too many similarities with the infamous MCAS crashing, which was not ruled out in this crash.
Because its a 500 series
This is a bit like saying the propeller flying off wasn't ruled out. MCAS wasn't ruled out because it wasn't on the plane.
@3:25, I got super spooked, I was like how in the heck does that happen? Thanks for the excellent explanation.
Aside from the horror of this crash... That is one fucking awesome aircraft.
Thank you so much for this informative video.
You have helped me realise that I want to be a Boeing test pilot
I don’t understand what made you to put a different video footage which is not at all related to the crash investigation. And it’s pretty distracting to understand even though I tried to Close my eyes and understand the sequence.. please work on that .
I love your vids though
Your video style is chaotic.
too many aviation abbreviations were used while you recounted this flight. For us who are not pilots it makes it difficult to understand , perhaps next video you would consider either diminishing or avoiding as much as possible the use of these aeronautical abbreviations or spell them out after you mention them in order to facilitate our understanding of your report.
9:48 *40% quieter upon crashing* great sales pitch
Who is that swiss copilot who flew for 13 years with zero training as a pilot. I think he was rumbled when they wanted to promote him to captain
737 Max depicted in the video was just cleared for flight once more today according to google. Cool coincidence.
Great vid! I briefly got distracted by the sick max flight test vids.
That's a scary idea. I remember being upset that the CEO of Radio Shack had a paper mill degree. Would never imagine a commercial pilot would lie like that.
Same guy.
The quality of your videos is improving quickly, keep up the great work. And go and find yourself some synonyms for moreover. An uncommon word which you used at least 6 times in a couple of minutes. We all have verbal ticks - that one is yours. Please take my comment as constructive from an enthusiastic subscriber. I'm happy to see you carve out a niche. You cover a lot of incidents that nobody has heard of and it's great content.
*Welcome to Borat airlines where safety is our number [garbled] priority!*
oh wow, that one took an unexpected turn at the end
"Test pilot...do not attempt." No problem given it's a 737 MAX.
Markel fultz was the basketball player who lost the form on his technical jumpshot. It's likely that the pilot could have developed a mental block that prevented him from performing
0:13 Well, it's not very important, but nevertheless it hurts the ears. Airport called domode`dovo, not domodede`vo
"but wait, there's more!"
Air crash investigation
‘In russia’
Me- oh here we fucking go
How do you only have 28k subs!?!
Because who want to watch a MAXX commercial for 10 minutes. Annoying and distracting.
@@josephjakubec3171 come back, now he uses FS 2020 recreations and it’s incredible
Just when you think a fake doctor was bad enough
whilst i assume this was the best appropriate footage available, i find it interesting how you used 737 max footage
Now that Max's are returning to service, maybe he wanted to post a reminder.
Pilot faked it until he couldn’t make it .
You should do one on Alaska 261.
Interesting
The camera angle during takeoff makes the planes look like they are on a super steep dangerous climb about to half ass backfill and land inverted.