No I am not the best, just sharing knowledge I wish I had when I first started. Want to help everyone in the sport care and make preparations for their birds as properly and as best as possible to increase the chances of their own birds returning home.
YB season here starts in Sept - Nov . When do you start to clip YB’s 9/10 flights . After that do you use a light system to help birds molt faster . And be ready to train …
I actually use extended lights for the full body under plumage molt prior to trimming. So my birds light time is normal from now until season. I have them on 1 hour extra simply because I work later. I make sure my ybs feathers tail and tips are done by Memorial Day (today) .. some wait until the 4th of July to pull. Too late for my opinion but to each their own. I’ve been beat by every system. Natural is most common and I’ve had natural molting birds woop mines butts plenty of times.. other times we see the benefits.
Thanks for the video. Our young bird season starts in end of July here in Ireland. My young birds are born in the end of December when do you suggest clipping the feathers so they don’t mild and I get the full season out of them. Thank you.
Can the pigeons still be flown daily after cliping 9 and 10 because only half of my first round are up and we start racing in mid Sept. Also I have them on lights so when is a good time to shut them down in relation to cliping flights. Thanks
Yes you can still fly them daily. I’ve flown daily back then, and sometimes I had to trim the 9-10th flight on some of the pigeons if they’re 9-10th was too long. But it is best to cut them while they are still settling. I cut and pull, then let them out, especially on older birds. So they can settle and not be too strong on the wing.
As to shutting the birds in, it’s up to you. Inside my loft is dark, but the aviary has full sunlight. And it almost didn’t matter as most my birds molted early spring and some molt in mid summer.
Appreciate it, last year the ones I didn’t put on the dark system were mostly molting towards the end of the race season and they didn’t do well. In fact they were three or four that I couldn’t send to the final race. Funny how people do things so differently and have good luck with their system. I know some people that are very successful and they do nothing at all. But I don’t think that would be my luck. Thanks for the info
I have tipplers time flying. and I cut all the feathers on both wings and tail. In mid April and in May first. I pluck them since they get dry. So they have fully grown fully moulted feathers on June 15th maximum. I only do this with adult pigeons. So I can enjoy the whole summer. I know it's a different breed of birds but just thought of sharing it. Is there any racing fanciers that do practice the same thing.?
No, idk anyone who cuts and plucks all feathers out. It’s not good for racing Pigeons as the ones that need to race need their wings to exercise as much as they can daily and weekly
lol idk. That’s a bit early, most birds are still going thru body molt so idk of any clubs flying that early. Young bird races are usually for after the molting season
How hard do you need to pull or tug. I have cut at least the same length as you show here. It's been 3 weeks since I cut and the feathers don't feel like they want to come out.
You can cut way more than two flights with your late bred babies to ensure they have a full wing of grown out flights by the time you must start loft training if neccesary. A good time to cut the flights is approx 10 weeks before you plan to start excercising. I would suggest cutting the flights you intend cutting much lower than you have done. Just above the small secondary cover feathers is about right to allow the cut flights to dry out sooner. Then pull one flight on each side every week till you have pulled them all. Birds can and will still excercise really well if you cut only two flights but then only 2 inches down but the cut flights will then take a bit longer to dry out sufficiantly to be able to loosen in the sheaths and to then be pulled without problems. All shrewd pigeon fanciers that race young birds will follow this practise.!😅
I usually clip them right when all the flights have grown in completely or after I have loft flown them for a month or two. They will grow right back with in a month, and during that month, you gotta let them rest and take it easy. And then you want to make sure you have plenty of time to loft fly them again and train before racing days arrive.
@@xiongguysloft9560 thanks for the tips, FYI all my birds are YBs, I have them a month now, should I cut the 9th and 10th wings or should i wait, some of them still molting. there's just started flying around my loft. thanks again
@@jovaniemoralde9624 let them loft fly for a week, and then cut just 1 or 2 inches off the top. That way they can still fly, In two weeks those feathers will be dried to the bone, and just pull them out. Let them out if you want, but they are vulnerable to hawks during this time, they won’t be as strong. So just let them relax until there feathers have grown back almost fully and start loft flying again.
Hello ! Can I cut the 9th and 10th pigeons in 1 year old pigeons? I'm going to fly a long distance with them. I will train you for short and medium distances and then I will go long distances.
Birds feathers are hollow and dry inside once they stop growing. Cutting an old feather is like cutting your hair, it doesn't change the attachment of the feather to the body. Just a perpetual antidotal thing people do.
If you pull them feathers out now without cutting and letting the feathers dry out, you’ll see blood at the tips, and the new feathers growing out will have a chance of growing out deformed. If you cut and let them dry out they’ll usually just fall right off and the new feathers would grow in straight and naturally.
@@xiongguysloft9560 willing to guess your just going by what others have told you and not pulled a full feather yourself to see what happens. Lots of old wives tales/traditional things get passed down without real proof.
@@Metrzan nope, I’ve raised and ate pigeons since I was 8 yrs old. Started out with feral pigeons and such. Yeah I used to pull the feathers and they still grew out nicely. But cutting them and letting them dry off at this early age makes them fall off so much easier.
I've racing pigeons al for over 50 years. And cutting them 2 flight fetters .will make life for them pigeons 80 times harder. .you don't no nothing about the molting payred of pigeons. And that just dam croul
Thank you. I’m a pre beginner. I don’t even have any loft or birds. But I plan on getting in to the hobby. That’s very good to know. Thank you Xiong
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I was searching for a tips video like this one from 2 years.
It was really helpful.
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Great tip to know for beginners specially. Thanks for sharing
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You're the best thanks for this information all season I have this problem with younger
No I am not the best, just sharing knowledge I wish I had when I first started. Want to help everyone in the sport care and make preparations for their birds as properly and as best as possible to increase the chances of their own birds returning home.
YB season here starts in Sept - Nov . When do you start to clip YB’s 9/10 flights . After that do you use a light system to help birds molt faster . And be ready to train …
If racing season is in September, i would clip now and pull, the young ones born early will begin to molt soon.
I actually use extended lights for the full body under plumage molt prior to trimming. So my birds light time is normal from now until season. I have them on 1 hour extra simply because I work later. I make sure my ybs feathers tail and tips are done by Memorial Day (today) .. some wait until the 4th of July to pull. Too late for my opinion but to each their own. I’ve been beat by every system. Natural is most common and I’ve had natural molting birds woop mines butts plenty of times.. other times we see the benefits.
Thanks for sharing. Very detailed
Thanks
really good info ❤
Thanks for the video. Our young bird season starts in end of July here in Ireland. My young birds are born in the end of December when do you suggest clipping the feathers so they don’t mild and I get the full season out of them. Thank you.
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If they were born in December it is best to cut them at two months of age
Can the pigeons still be flown daily after cliping 9 and 10 because only half of my first round are up and we start racing in mid Sept. Also I have them on lights so when is a good time to shut them down in relation to cliping flights. Thanks
Yes you can still fly them daily. I’ve flown daily back then, and sometimes I had to trim the 9-10th flight on some of the pigeons if they’re 9-10th was too long. But it is best to cut them while they are still settling. I cut and pull, then let them out, especially on older birds. So they can settle and not be too strong on the wing.
As to shutting the birds in, it’s up to you. Inside my loft is dark, but the aviary has full sunlight. And it almost didn’t matter as most my birds molted early spring and some molt in mid summer.
Appreciate it, last year the ones I didn’t put on the dark system were mostly molting towards the end of the race season and they didn’t do well. In fact they were three or four that I couldn’t send to the final race. Funny how people do things so differently and have good luck with their system. I know some people that are very successful and they do nothing at all. But I don’t think that would be my luck. Thanks for the info
Does that effect training and muscle development?
So when do u actually cut it?
I have tipplers time flying.
and I cut all the feathers on both wings and tail. In mid April and in May first. I pluck them since they get dry. So they have fully grown fully moulted feathers on June 15th maximum. I only do this with adult pigeons. So I can enjoy the whole summer. I know it's a different breed of birds but just thought of sharing it. Is there any racing fanciers that do practice the same thing.?
No, idk anyone who cuts and plucks all feathers out. It’s not good for racing Pigeons as the ones that need to race need their wings to exercise as much as they can daily and weekly
Thanks. How long before race we should pull 9th and 10th feather? And we should pull it during moult or before start of moulting?
At 2-3 months old
What mouth would you say is best to cut young bird feathers if racing starts about 24 of July
lol idk. That’s a bit early, most birds are still going thru body molt so idk of any clubs flying that early. Young bird races are usually for after the molting season
Hello Xiong, I"m enjoying your videos, but I"m not on Facebook. How can I contact you with a question about a past video? Thank you.
Wow intersting. Any scientific studies behind this approach?
lol, idk ask the scientists
Thnx for teaching us all now wich feathers are the ones if you want them to be located at ur loft for breeding so they can't fly off
6th-10th flight usually keeps them from flying off, but if they catch wind they can still use their secondary flight feathers and take off.
How hard do you need to pull or tug.
I have cut at least the same length as you show here. It's been 3 weeks since I cut and the feathers don't feel like they want to come out.
They should just fall out easily if you pluck them, the feathers should be dried and no blood
If a bird have 11 flights do you clip, 9, 10, and 11th flight?
Idk I haven’t gotten that far yet lol
@@xiongguysloft9560 hahahaha I've been wondering since a lot of one loft races say they will pull the 9th and 10th flight
I had a bird with the 11 tip we cut 11,10,and 9
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Good info man. I just clipped my birds flights a couple days ago. They’re still sulking at the moment. 😂
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The 9th and 10th flights should be cut lower
( like to 1”above the to wing ) this allow air to dry out those feathers less pain and no fret marks.
Cool
Thanks
You can cut way more than two flights with your late bred babies to ensure they have a full wing of grown out flights by the time you must start loft training if neccesary.
A good time to cut the flights is approx 10 weeks before you plan to start excercising.
I would suggest cutting the flights you intend cutting much lower than you have done.
Just above the small secondary cover feathers is about right to allow the cut flights to dry out sooner.
Then pull one flight on each side every week till you have pulled them all.
Birds can and will still excercise really well if you cut only two flights but then only 2 inches down but the cut flights will then take a bit longer to dry out sufficiantly to be able to loosen in the sheaths and to then be pulled without problems.
All shrewd pigeon fanciers that race young birds will follow this practise.!😅
When/age do you cut the 9th and 10th fight? thanks
I usually clip them right when all the flights have grown in completely or after I have loft flown them for a month or two. They will grow right back with in a month, and during that month, you gotta let them rest and take it easy. And then you want to make sure you have plenty of time to loft fly them again and train before racing days arrive.
@@xiongguysloft9560 thanks for the tips, FYI all my birds are YBs, I have them a month now, should I cut the 9th and 10th wings or should i wait, some of them still molting. there's just started flying around my loft. thanks again
@@jovaniemoralde9624 let them loft fly for a week, and then cut just 1 or 2 inches off the top. That way they can still fly, In two weeks those feathers will be dried to the bone, and just pull them out. Let them out if you want, but they are vulnerable to hawks during this time, they won’t be as strong. So just let them relax until there feathers have grown back almost fully and start loft flying again.
@@xiongguysloft9560 thank you
Hello ! Can I cut the 9th and 10th pigeons in 1 year old pigeons? I'm going to fly a long distance with them. I will train you for short and medium distances and then I will go long distances.
Yes, you can cut and clip the 9th and 10th flight on older pigeons in the winter time before training and racing season starts
@@xiongguysloft9560, ok .thank you !
Me and my brother been doing the same for years
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What lines are your whites from
Burak’s and Baker’s Line
Maybe in future we can work something out and maybe get you to raise me a few
@@49ersfaninmo49 my white breeders are on eggs now. I can send you the babies for $100 a pair. Plus shipping
@@49ersfaninmo49 the hen from Burak’s loft have flown 500 miles. The cock from Baker’s Loft have flown 300miles.
Give me a few days have to talk to wife
Is it true the pigeon must drop there first flight before cut 9& 10
No, people usually cut and pull when all flights have matured
Have you not heard if the darkening system you darken the loft brings the birds to moult quicker no need to clip wings then birds can still train
We stick to natural instead
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Birds feathers are hollow and dry inside once they stop growing. Cutting an old feather is like cutting your hair, it doesn't change the attachment of the feather to the body. Just a perpetual antidotal thing people do.
If you pull them feathers out now without cutting and letting the feathers dry out, you’ll see blood at the tips, and the new feathers growing out will have a chance of growing out deformed. If you cut and let them dry out they’ll usually just fall right off and the new feathers would grow in straight and naturally.
@@xiongguysloft9560 willing to guess your just going by what others have told you and not pulled a full feather yourself to see what happens. Lots of old wives tales/traditional things get passed down without real proof.
@@Metrzan nope, I’ve raised and ate pigeons since I was 8 yrs old. Started out with feral pigeons and such. Yeah I used to pull the feathers and they still grew out nicely. But cutting them and letting them dry off at this early age makes them fall off so much easier.
I've racing pigeons al for over 50 years. And cutting them 2 flight fetters .will make life for them pigeons 80 times harder. .you don't no nothing about the molting payred of pigeons. And that just dam croul
To each his own