Patti Smith On New York's Cultural Decline - NME Interview
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- Patti Smith On New York's Cultural Decline - NME Interview
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Patti Smith responds to concerns that New York's creative community is struggling due to the prosperity of the city and suggests an alternative.
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So glad to hear her say this. I've tried to tell people the same thing and I just get "that look".
"NY doesn't create artists. Artists help creates NY to be a center, just like they did in Paris."
Agreed.
Even if someone doesn't agree with Patti Smith how could they not find her an articulate, compelling and challenging speaker? What she said about New York not creating artists but artist creating New York reminds me a memoir John Lahr wrote in the New Yorker. The memoir was mainly about his mother Millie, who I believe had been a Zeigeld dancer, who married Bert Lahr the actor. I hope I have this verbatim: John Lahr wrote about "...the legend of Manhattan they were creating".
Patti's daughter is stunningly beautiful and crazy talented, in a just world, she would be a superstar now, but she chose not to sell out, same with her brother, who plays guitar like you can't imagine
I agree, I have seen them both play with their mom on several occasions, what a family for talent AND looks! Jesse's band Belle Ghoul is fabulous :)
Patti Smith asks one of the most important questions nowadays: what can we do about it? We can become the wealthiest country on earth but without the thriving of the arts and culture, what are we?
This is happening right now in even here in Toronto. We're experiencing an extensive densification of middle class income real-estate that is seeping into low income areas a long with new businesses and making them too hard to live in for the low-income families. It's too much!
I live 40 miles north of Detroit, the city has some amazing artists.
This is so true and the same thing is happening in Melbourne, Australia.. which is why I plan to leave this area and busk in exactly the same environment as what Patti has said.
great insight
The Patti Smith Poem:
She writes on papyrus/with a quill dipped/
In Rimbaud's French-African blood /
She channels lightning bolt words from Times Square's fallen leather angels// straps these lyrics to 3 chord crucifix/ barks out monstrous claims and demands from the guts of the earth & the garage of her brain/ that in time /we come to see as Beautiful.................................
Chicago used to be the same way. Marianne Faithfull sang here a lot. Mama Cass walked around in Old Town. Bonnie Koloc sang at The Earl of Old Town Pub. Now if your a struggling young singer, songwriter, artist or poet, you're lucky to get a foot in anywhere. Nowadays, you have to be connected to power or have an outrageously expensive PR or manager.
The lack of humility, stewardship, and planning for future generations is killing America. The "good old days" are gone... we turned out not to be so "cool" afterall.
www.pushthefilm.com/about/
Patti Smith might find some muses in her thoughts here about the great cities that were made by artists chasing their muses until Market Forces chased them to less expensive cities with more jobs for generalists. NYC hasn't been the city of Patti's and my own youth in decades and I've not been able to afford to return even for a visit in going on a decade. However, the city that the California company I worked for in the late 90's moved me to was the PoTown, Ore area. It was then way more affordable than the rent-controlled Berkeley I eventually got priced out of after the gutting of rent control and ravages of Wage Stag-Nation. As an aspiring alternative journalist in the early aughts I began following the money to see why so many cities that were once havens and sanctuaries for folks with creative interests and aspirations were filling up with Hoovervilles of Homeless on the streets, while the cranes filled the sky building high end condos that remained unsold for so long that the developers converted to leases which also remained beyond the Wage Stag-Nation markets.
For decades these once new buildings remained mostly vacant as the Homeless piled up outside and after the Cold War ended homeless Americans on city streets coast to coast became normalized. No more utility in winning hearts and minds of those choosing a Third Way between Social Safety Nets and so-called FREE MARKETS (which are never fair markets) as the bi-polar world all surrendered to Neo-Liberal E-CON pushed for over 40 years by Washington's MIGHTY WURLITZER and its Congress on Cultural Freedom to display our low-income housing and subsidization of home ownership.
Our politics shifted from can-do after WW II ended to SHRINK BIG GOVERNMENT and PRIVATIZE anything not nailed down as the Neo-Liberal E-CON Revolution was never televised, following bardic prophet Gil Scott-Heron's sonic scenario. All we kept hearing about was SUPPLY and DEMAND and how Market Forces will either force up wages or force down rents. Neither has happened. Milton Friedman and his U. of Chicago federally funded cohort led by his E-CONomist wife Rose Director Friedman (a Portland, Ore Reed College grad) of subsidized Cold War propagandists have been proven wrong administration after administration whether Democratic or Republican and we've yet to face up to the Blowback from Washington's Cold War weaponization of the Neo-Liberal E-CON doctrines of GREED IS GOOD so easily converted to cyber meme and birthing a nation of trolls. We now have a President who was the heir to a low-income federally funded housing boom construction and property ownership fortune, who rose in politics not as his father was a cog in the corrupt Democratic Party NYC political machine, but as a SHRINK BIG GOVERNMENT corrupt Republican. Who then went on to steal all the issues the successful professional class of Democrats abandoned when Reagan-Bush melted into the House of Clinton and Neo-Liberal E-CON memes ruled not only the land but increasingly anti-competitive and anti-trust High Tech cyber monopoly-space as well.
The documentary film PUSH being made from its base in Sweden, where Public Interest broadcasting still exists insulated from the corporate-captured broadcasting of North American imprint, is linked above while it is still in the Kickstarter phase. The film will feature comparative views of the EVICTION, FORECLOSURE and UNFETTERED GLOBAL FEUDAL CAPITAL schemes that have created a market for oligarchs looking to park their capital wealth in something safer than Panama Papered banks or on Treasure Islands like the Caymans, now prone to storm surges and other forms of what Naomi Klein has termed DISASTER CAPITALISM with its SHOCK DOCTRINES.
Some of those following the unfettered capital flows and money who've made their lives' work studying the contradictions in these fallacies our corporate-captured mass media perpetuates about Supply and Demand and Market Forces while learning how to explain these "Innovations of Financialization". I find among these most curious academics doing journalistic work in 'following the money' and new places for the oligarchs to park their capital when banks no longer seem so safe for hoarding idle wealth, one former Queens College City University of NY where I started my undergrad education in a commuter school before I left home and moved to California eventually doing 3 years at U.C.-Berkeley.
That then very young post-doc sociologist teaching inter-disciplinary courses in migrant labor and housing patterns back in the mid-70's at Queens College who immigrated to NYC from Argentina, but I'd later learn was the daughter of a Nazi Rat Line Biggie in Argentina was now studying the inequities of labor and housing patterns in country after country where the old Cold War E-CON doctrines were rife with contradictions. Well that early formative inter-disciplinary educator who has now spent decades showing how she should not be held captive by a Nazi father's life and genocidal mission by delving deeper and deeper into why and how the rich keep getting richer and hoarding rather than investing their wealth and how these vacant high rises of the recent construction boom has remained an affordable housing bust in city after city with little in the way of mass media discussion about the failure of market forces to spread the ever concentrating wealth.
Meanwhile the same dynamic actually has been spreading pauperization and unsustainable urban gentrification as a hedge against the very inflationary trends that the rentier class has contributed to while secretly VERY BIG GOVERNMENT has been loading the CORPORATE CALIPHATE up with WELFARE in the form of SNAP Food Stamps to prevent deflationary spirals among the factory farmers and commodities markets. Way back then this formative commuter college immigrant post-doc instructor at Queens College was going by her married name of Saskia Sassen Koob. She has been publishing and teaching as a full professor at the finer universities like Columbia U. as Saskia Sassen and we'd do well to help force her academic work into our local corporate-captured mass media and be brave enough to look reality in the ugly face. Especially as that unregulated face of market forces mocks US and our Cold War weaponized E-CON BLOWBACK. Obama never did get his infrastructure shovels ready when he and Status Quo Joe Biden with their cabinet of Wall Street Alpha Predators campaigned on breaking some ground on affordable housing by making markets work for US rather than the other way around. Remember Obama's snake oil con in AUDACITY OF HOPE? I sure didn't know in 2008 when I worked on his campaign to oust the oily Iraqi War Criminals of Bush-Cheney-Baker-Paulson-Greenspan-Rummy-Powell and Condi that our already dire E-CON would become UBER-ized by David Ploufe, that dapper half-African American young community organizer from Chicago's electronic campaign manager!
Like the Swedish PUSH documentary film team says in the link to their Kickstarter page above, unless we want to be pushed out of whatever city we are in now, we will have to start pushing back!
Mitch Ritter\Paradigm Sifters & Shifters
Lay-Low Studios, Ore-Wa
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well said, woman
Who the hell would choose to go to Detroit or Newark
if all the young creative moved to Detroit it would be such a cool place!
that's the way its been looking
she kind of predicted that in an interview in 97
Yes! Get out of my city..GET out of my home BROOKLYN
@@DDios-ih9de Young creatives? Your asking the wrong people to leave, and unfortunately the "hedge fund Hipsters" aren't going anywhere.
Sad to see their influence fading out. Scares me like that Yates poem, "The Second Coming."
Yeats
It isnt only new York. The cost of living has risen everywhere and all our traditional cultural centers are being gentrified for safe scum yuppy shopping centers. From Arkansas even here in poor rural areas. There are small pockets left i hear tho
There aren't any visionaries like Hilly Kristal any more.
Roof Culture' create community meeting spaces' Bo Ho scenes' rap' poetry' art shows' theater" all above the apple up in the steel tree houses! What do you think?
Sure.. as if living in the filth and squalor of the Chelsea Hotel back in the 60's and 70's was the height of culture and something to aspire to.
Yes I agree the arts and artist freedom of expression in extinct because guilliani made NYS (New York suburbia) most all the clubs that made famous by less known that wound up being well known are gone (R.I.P. CBGBS WETLANDS RED ZONE, PARADISE GARAGE THE ROXY ) now you've got loungue clubs no more raw space no more cheap lofts (R.I.P. DAVID MANCUSO 647 THE LOFT THE GALLERY)
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Ok well, I'd just like to say that in no era whatsoever has New York City been easy to live in, in different ways at different eras. It may have been cheaper to live there when Patti Smith was young and therefore more accessible to artists but it was also crumbling and much much more dangerous. Artists and musicians also did not make a living from their art back then unless they became extremely known and that has to do with the fact that there are too many musicians in New York willing to play for free. Patti Smith herself had to work a day job for much of her time here. That's not to say that the problems happening in New York right now are not real just that in a way its really nothing new, just an expression of the same problem...a city with too many people living in it and a lot of corruption. When I hear Patti Smith talking about this subject I don't doubt that she is being genuine, but it also sounds like the same stuff repeated by every past generation: "This generation is doomed, this generation sucks, the scene isn't what it used to be, music today sucks" all the way to "New York isn't what it used to be"....its not. Its always changing. New York is a city that never stays the same. It wasn't so amazing before either, its just been romanticized by hindsight bias and nostaligia.
You don't go to a city to make it big anymore. You go to the internet to make it big. Artists make it online, not a place.
pop ugh.....