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What was it like being in the East German army? Like how were things after communism ended, were there still people who believed in it or was everyone done with the whole Cold War thing ?
@@canadiandefenceinitiative3599 I was in the 3rd year of officer training, 1 year before graduation. There things fell apart at a breathtaking speed in 1989, starting from the expulsion of the StaSi from all military bases to marching discipline being ignored. Superiors did not dare to enforce rules anymore and every day a suddenly brave and investigative media exposed new 'skeletons in the closet' of our leaders. Most GDR citizens evrn before 89 had a quite good idea that they were being lied to by their leaders. I'm not aware about large numbers of people trying fight the change that was in the air. The main disagreement was about the speed and where it was to lead.
No, they practiced that again and again to shave the time needed to reload the launch ramp. Similar to how one or a few artillerymen would jump/hug the barrel of the towed artillery piece when they needed to lift the limber in order to speed up the limbering.
@@VersusARCH Actually the reason that operator (also the driver of the reload truck) has to pull down the load rail is to lift the rear stabilisers of the missile over the launch rail. As it happens I was "that" guy for a while back in the 90's. 😂
@@milankos7074 The S125 was used to shoot down the F117 however the S125 is "designed by Aleksei Isaev to complement the S-25 and S-75," so it's very close. Also the Serbian PVO (air defence) was using both systems during the war in Yugoslavia. At least according to some sources.. even wiki. I don't know why you are so sure it wasn't?
The variant we had in Hungary also had a powerful TV camera for visual identification and tracking. We could tell airliners coming and going at Ferihegy Airport what company they belonged to, based on their colours, from 80 km away. Under the right circumstances the optics could be used to engage a target without using the main radar.
That's what the Russian savages are doing in Ukraine with the S-300. As if they didn't have better ground to ground systems... 🤔 the day Russia is attacked by NATO Air Forces, they will regret having squandered so many.
@@alexmcaruthur6966 In our sa-2 division in estonian islands were 3 missiles with nuclear warheads, imagine youre scratched ass lol. Whole border was spiked with nuclear warheads. Yeah damn good to be alive 😊
"The first cold war" wow just hearing that is so weird to me. I remember ducking under my desk at school. The fall of the Berlin wall and the USSR are still burned in my memory. We never thought it would collapse like it did.
Dviná is the name of a Russian river. If this missile is still impressive today, imagine when it showed up in 1957! Even today it is an awesome, beautiful missile able to climb higher than any oxygen breathing aircraft.
North Vietnamese Army or NVA have numbers of these S75 Divina SA2 or SAM2 that shoot down numbers of US Airforce best fighterjet such as F4 Phatom and B52 Stratofortresse during the Vietnam war .. Now numbers of these S75 Divina SA2 or SAM2 is no longer in the service but it was display in Hanoi war muesem and it was replaced S300 and S400 Triupmh SA21 Growler
Although the sam 2 missile is no longer in service with the Vietnamese army (due to being replaced by more modern air defense systems of the Russian Federation and Israel), it will always remain a legend, the only place in the world can use Sam 2 to shoot down modern American aircraft, which is Vietnam.
@@alexmcaruthur6966 yes it is when i saw it first time i was like how the hell that is going to be air born ..then i thought is it worth to shoot a plane with such big thing hi hi but then gradually i used to it
@Laith Tariq u r part of that glorious museum history but I know nothing is wasted in Russian culture, they salvage, resuscitate reenergise anything...
The S-75 was a relatively cutting edge missile from when it was released, and performed well, whereas the t34 was a horribly un-ergonomic and incredible badly manufactured machine which was devastatingly unreliable.
Thanks for the great footage! These are Soviet systems we know from many books, games, and photos, but actual video of it in operation really helps understand what pilots faced.
Of course there's always the possibility of designing a new fire control system to modernize it. I'm sure it's barebones simple and would be relatively straightforward to rework it. I'm sure China and North Korea have done just that. Possibly Iran too.
A few months late, but would you take a look at the US HAWK missile? It seems to be a Western equivalent, but I've seen little about it. Thanks for an informative video. I grew up following the Vietnam War in the news and the 'SAM-2' was much feared and hated. One of its main effects was to force US strike forces to fly low, into range of AA guns.
@Brian Jett Anything being shot at you is hated. The M15 was supposed to be a squad-support version of the M14, which was the rifle the US first took into combat in VIetnam. I think you meant the AR15.🙂
Older people told me that this was designed against the blackbird reconnaissance aircraft. When I was a student it was obsolete and used as a museum accessory
Use to be OD on SA-2 Volhov version in 1983, Romanian air defence troops. Nice memories about this missile system. Had training real shooting in Russia Ashuluk in 1986.
the number in Linebacker 2 is just wrong according to US it was 16 B-52 shot down on spot,5 crash outside Viet Nam and 4 damage according to Vietnamese it is 34 B-52 with 16 wreckage recovered either way the number of 15 B-52 shot down and 5 damaged is just wrong also SA-75 battery in Viet Nam after were either SA-75M or SA-75B that fire B-750M,V-750VN,etc...they no longer use V-750 since the ALQ jamming system enter US service
I believe that within 100 years the number of B-52s lost in Linebacker II will still be debated. So far I'm yet to find just two publications in agreement.
The effectiveness of a missile is more than just the number of planes shot down. American aircraft had to maneuver and or dump loads, carry countermeasures, and deploy numerous aircraft in SEAD missions etc.... The opportunity costs were immense
At first, the rockets were effective tho. But at the Israeli war against the Arabs, Egypt lost many SA 2 and radars to Israeli then the Israeli send those weapons to Washington for researching
You are a joker. If 800 SA2 needed to shoot 1 American aircraft........record showed that more than 10.000 US rotary and fixed wing crafts have been blown up by SA2. So how many SA2 needed to shoot that many.
well... israelis had to fly low because of s75 and with flying low they become targets for shilaka also didnt americans lost like 3000 aircraft over vietnam? and they say only were shot down by veitnamese?
SA2 vision was quite blury when fired at formations of aircraft had a tendency to aim at the sum of the radar return. So it could be flying straight between two aircraft in formation. But against a lonely U2 had a much better chance. Because of pilot reports USA soon figured this out. Then comes the order if you do not see the SAM stay in formation. I would not like that order if I was a pilot, I would chicken and start maneuvering.
If the SAM operators recognised in time the multiple target issue they could adjust the detonators of the warhead, so it would send the fragmentation cloud in a much wider angle with lower density.
@Prestallar Paratroopers of Israeli Defense Forces were also dropped beyond sinai and they destroyed many of Air defense coming from behind. Israelis were jst decades ahead tactically and operationally. Don't forget, Soviet military advisors were also present in Egypt and syria. Arabs were unable to train their crews for newer advanced systems as quickly as they inducted it in service. There is an incident of dogfight b/w Israeli mirage pilots and Soviet Mig 21 pilots during war of attrition.
It didn’t rule....it was given safe areas to operate. But it was hit or miss! And part of an integrated system...as it needed plenty of warning. But it range was considerable...but required an almost overhead tracking. Deflection shooting is still an issue. So...multiple volleys were necessary. Not to be confused with the more pin point missle’s...rockets....of today. However....they are still considered a modern system...by other countries. Can’t remember the exact percentage that hit...but it wasn’t good. But all there was! And...could do considerable damage!
Soviet Union licensed it to China which supplied them to North Vietnam. It caused huge losses of USAF aircraft including shooting down a dozen B-52s over Hanoi during 1973 Operation Linebacker. Unfortunately in Vietnam it only had about a 10% success rate even when fired in pairs for higher kill probability.
The Republic of Cyprus aquired these missiles in the 1960's but because we "believe" that Greece will defend us (which it has never done) we had western pressure and we decided to leave them in Egypt. In 1974 Cyprus was invaded by Turkey but we had no air cover.
This is wrong, the radio guidance of the missile does not work how it is described in the video. The missile does not receive the location and vector information of the target from the guidance computers at the site. Those informations are gathered by a radar and after that the guidance computers create signals for missile correction which are then sent to the missile. Radio command guidance, that is how it works.
These would've wrecked USAF in Iraq if the operators did not consistently turn the emitter off after launch, sending the missile blind. Correct use could have seen a ten-fold increase in kills.
@@franciscody9622 when over engineered becomes a piece of junk. It had shot down more ally aircraft than the enemy's because of the guidance identification failures
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That missile shot down an F117A in Serbia in 1999
I was trained 1987 in the East-German army to operate this model. I'm amazed that this stuff is still in service in some countries.
What was it like being in the East German army? Like how were things after communism ended, were there still people who believed in it or was everyone done with the whole Cold War thing ?
@@canadiandefenceinitiative3599 I was in the 3rd year of officer training, 1 year before graduation. There things fell apart at a breathtaking speed in 1989, starting from the expulsion of the StaSi from all military bases to marching discipline being ignored. Superiors did not dare to enforce rules anymore and every day a suddenly brave and investigative media exposed new 'skeletons in the closet' of our leaders. Most GDR citizens evrn before 89 had a quite good idea that they were being lied to by their leaders. I'm not aware about large numbers of people trying fight the change that was in the air. The main disagreement was about the speed and where it was to lead.
ich war von 88-91 im bereich der 13. als uffz startrampe.
If NVA and DDR still exist now, the NVA will be operating S300 or S400 series surface to air mmissiles system!🎉😂
Its shelf life has proven its sustainability.
The soldier at the start looked like he was having wayyyyy too much fun.
As a conscript I can recognise other concripts.
No, they practiced that again and again to shave the time needed to reload the launch ramp.
Similar to how one or a few artillerymen would jump/hug the barrel of the towed artillery piece when they needed to lift the limber in order to speed up the limbering.
@@VersusARCH Actually the reason that operator (also the driver of the reload truck) has to pull down the load rail is to lift the rear stabilisers of the missile over the launch rail. As it happens I was "that" guy for a while back in the 90's. 😂
@@imrekalman9044girl pull my load last night 🎉
I was an operator in Control cabin of SA 75 . Excellent SAM of past time
Lol dont lie 😂
also F 117 dont realy like this thing
He's Serbian and he might very well have been in a SAM battery in some capacity.
Serbia was bombed by NATO in '99 and they had these weapons.
@@PrayedForYou s75 wqs not used in 1999
@@milankos7074
The S125 was used to shoot down the F117 however the S125 is "designed by Aleksei Isaev to complement the S-25 and S-75," so it's very close.
Also the Serbian PVO (air defence) was using both systems during the war in Yugoslavia.
At least according to some sources.. even wiki.
I don't know why you are so sure it wasn't?
The variant we had in Hungary also had a powerful TV camera for visual identification and tracking. We could tell airliners coming and going at Ferihegy Airport what company they belonged to, based on their colours, from 80 km away. Under the right circumstances the optics could be used to engage a target without using the main radar.
"We can still throw it at people on the ground!"
-Everyone with S-75 right now
200 kg frag warhead ain't a joke against anything
That's what the Russian savages are doing in Ukraine with the S-300. As if they didn't have better ground to ground systems... 🤔 the day Russia is attacked by NATO Air Forces, they will regret having squandered so many.
Imagine if anyone who doesn't like America has ten of these.
I can’t imagine a 2.39 ton missile hitting my ass
@@alexmcaruthur6966 In our sa-2 division in estonian islands were 3 missiles with nuclear warheads, imagine youre scratched ass lol. Whole border was spiked with nuclear warheads. Yeah damn good to be alive 😊
Always Best ...Господ да ја чува Мајка Русија❤
So glad I found your channel. Very informative stuff
"The first cold war" wow just hearing that is so weird to me. I remember ducking under my desk at school. The fall of the Berlin wall and the USSR are still burned in my memory. We never thought it would collapse like it did.
Мы знали что СССР рухнет. Власть была пропитана двуличием и ложью. ЕС идёт той же дорогой. Узнайте, как мы жили в 90-ые,вас ждут времена похуже.
Thank you. I love old Soviet weaponry.
Dviná is the name of a Russian river.
If this missile is still impressive today, imagine when it showed up in 1957! Even today it is an awesome, beautiful missile able to climb higher than any oxygen breathing aircraft.
And outdated since 1985 Sir
It clearly wasn't obsolete in 1985 since in 1999 it shot down an F117 and numerous other aircraft.
@@PrayedForYou i think it's an Sa-3 Goa that did the deed.
@@celzotertins6462yes that's right. It was S125 Neva/Pechorw
@@PrayedForYouPechora S-125 shot it down (Neva) but still awesome
North Vietnamese Army or NVA have numbers of these S75 Divina SA2 or SAM2 that shoot down numbers of US Airforce best fighterjet such as F4 Phatom and B52 Stratofortresse during the Vietnam war .. Now numbers of these S75 Divina SA2 or SAM2 is no longer in the service but it was display in Hanoi war muesem and it was replaced S300 and S400 Triupmh SA21 Growler
till now there are more than 1000 SA 2 rockets in Vietnamese storage XD they kept most of them untouch
Although the sam 2 missile is no longer in service with the Vietnamese army (due to being replaced by more modern air defense systems of the Russian Federation and Israel), it will always remain a legend, the only place in the world can use Sam 2 to shoot down modern American aircraft, which is Vietnam.
I was serving two years on this SA 2.Good memorys.
i worked on both s-75 and s-125 ..i do repair and operation of control ...but never in active duty i was a training and repair guy
@@laithtariq1667 it’s a big boy isn’t it? I mean 2 ton missile
@@alexmcaruthur6966 yes it is when i saw it first time i was like how the hell that is going to be air born ..then i thought is it worth to shoot a plane with such big thing hi hi but then gradually i used to it
@Laith Tariq u r part of that glorious museum history but I know nothing is wasted in Russian culture, they salvage, resuscitate reenergise anything...
The S-75 is the T34 of aa missiles, outdated but still deadly
The S-75 was a relatively cutting edge missile from when it was released, and performed well, whereas the t34 was a horribly un-ergonomic and incredible badly manufactured machine which was devastatingly unreliable.
And how T-34 is Deadly?
@@onelonewolf2944 which doesnt change that the t34 was quite cutting edge FOR ITS TIME.
@@TheTryingDutchman No it was not
Really? Even with its (later part of WWII) upgraded gun?!
the S75 has a perfectly scaled V2 turbo-pump! Amazing what you can learn online these days.
Thanks for such a thorough overview!
Thanks for the great footage! These are Soviet systems we know from many books, games, and photos, but actual video of it in operation really helps understand what pilots faced.
Of course there's always the possibility of designing a new fire control system to modernize it. I'm sure it's barebones simple and would be relatively straightforward to rework it. I'm sure China and North Korea have done just that. Possibly Iran too.
Nice video and sufficient explaining of anti air defences this famous system ...too nice specific channel
Well it got a u2, and just about an SR71. In fact afterward the SR71 either stayed clear of the sa2 envelope or flow above mach 3.15
Excellent video as always
A few months late, but would you take a look at the US HAWK missile? It seems to be a Western equivalent, but I've seen little about it.
Thanks for an informative video. I grew up following the Vietnam War in the news and the 'SAM-2' was much feared and hated. One of its main effects was to force US strike forces to fly low, into range of AA guns.
@Brian Jett Anything being shot at you is hated. The M15 was supposed to be a squad-support version of the M14, which was the rifle the US first took into combat in VIetnam. I think you meant the AR15.🙂
@Brian Jett NOW it is, but the original design was indeed AR (for Armalite Rifle) design #15. The military version became the M16/M4.
Very informative, and (spoken as a modeler) very good and detailed video sequences. Pleasantly sutprised. Subscribed!
Older people told me that this was designed against the blackbird reconnaissance aircraft. When I was a student it was obsolete and used as a museum accessory
Как B-52?
Very pointy missile, I like it.
The North Vietnamese Army or NVA also have numbers of these Soviet made Anti Aircraft Guns KS19 100 mm and KS30 130mm
an informative channel withgrand presentation.
Служил на этом комплексе с 1980по 1982г,г Днепропетровск.
Use to be OD on SA-2 Volhov version in 1983, Romanian air defence troops. Nice memories about this missile system. Had training real shooting in Russia Ashuluk in 1986.
Very informative video
the number in Linebacker 2 is just wrong
according to US it was 16 B-52 shot down on spot,5 crash outside Viet Nam and 4 damage
according to Vietnamese it is 34 B-52 with 16 wreckage recovered
either way the number of 15 B-52 shot down and 5 damaged is just wrong
also SA-75 battery in Viet Nam after were either SA-75M or SA-75B that fire B-750M,V-750VN,etc...they no longer use V-750 since the ALQ jamming system enter US service
I believe that within 100 years the number of B-52s lost in Linebacker II will still be debated. So far I'm yet to find just two publications in agreement.
19 Linebacker II/B-52 downed in Vietnam War Bro
"The first cold war"
wise way of saying it.
Fascinating 🧐
As a ballistic missile it is still useful since its acceleration is good.
The first stage booster accelerates the missile from the launch rail to supersonic in about 2-2.5 seconds.
@@imrekalman9044 This is quite a punch.
"Сами не летаем и другим не дадим"
My new favorite channel
Please articulate it's effectiveness in the 1973 war in the Sanai region, Egypt 🇪🇬.
Very awesome video, informative as well. Thank you for sharing
Love this channel. Please do more american missile. Harpoon ect...
You forgot to mention Indonesia (Indonesian Air Force) as one of the S-75 user back in 60’s
big ol' telephone pole flying at you, it must have been a heck of a sight to those pilots seeing those things coming at them.
One of the Eastern Blocs strongest cards in the Cold War
In the latter vietnam air war,it took north vietnamese fired average 800 plus round just to shoot down one US jet
The effectiveness of a missile is more than just the number of planes shot down. American aircraft had to maneuver and or dump loads, carry countermeasures, and deploy numerous aircraft in SEAD missions etc.... The opportunity costs were immense
And somehow, US lost about 10k airships in Vietnam war...
At first, the rockets were effective tho. But at the Israeli war against the Arabs, Egypt lost many SA 2 and radars to Israeli then the Israeli send those weapons to Washington for researching
You are a joker. If 800 SA2 needed to shoot 1 American aircraft........record showed that more than 10.000 US rotary and fixed wing crafts have been blown up by SA2. So how many SA2 needed to shoot that many.
Chiến thắng cuối cùng là quan trọng nhất, mỹ thua.
well... israelis had to fly low because of s75 and with flying low they become targets for shilaka
also didnt americans lost like 3000 aircraft over vietnam? and they say only were shot down by veitnamese?
If you include helos then over 5000 were lost
South Vietnam also lost thousands of aircraft..to enemy ground fire.
Best air defense system ever
You can see this missile un Arménian capital city Yerevan in the park of Manument
I wonder if @Weapon Detective is going to do similar videos on the SA-3 Goa, SA-5 Gammon and SA-6 Gainful?
SA-4 Ganef
@@jamesbugbee9026 I forgot about that one.
I've been working on the antennae booth
Gary Powers would vouch how effective this weapon system would be
u2 couldn't exactly maneuver with those giant wings
@@alexm566 nope I guess not
@@sapperfirefox2100 f-16 can easily outmaneuver s2, look at desert war 1 (1991) wild weasels. u2 is just a sitting duck with zero maneuverability.
@@alexm566 it’s 2021 I wonder what secret weapons systems are about both here and there
@@sapperfirefox2100 yeah, but s2 is utter useless against any fighter jet since the 1970s. it's only good now against drones and civilian planes.
“One *flying telephone pole,* coming up!”
SA2 vision was quite blury when fired at formations of aircraft had a tendency to aim at the sum of the radar return. So it could be flying straight between two aircraft in formation. But against a lonely U2 had a much better chance. Because of pilot reports USA soon figured this out. Then comes the order if you do not see the SAM stay in formation. I would not like that order if I was a pilot, I would chicken and start maneuvering.
If the SAM operators recognised in time the multiple target issue they could adjust the detonators of the warhead, so it would send the fragmentation cloud in a much wider angle with lower density.
It's still used but as a ballistic missile by yemen against saudi Arabia...old soviet weapons have outlived the nation which built them
@@mc3866 why waste payload with a human? Why not just put the same weight in explosives for more bang?
These missiles destroyed half of Israels airforce during 1973 war.
@Prestallar Because it only destroyed half of Israeli Aircrafts.. Until then all of Airforce of Egypt, syria and jordan were destroyed 🤣🤣🤣
@Prestallar Paratroopers of Israeli Defense Forces were also dropped beyond sinai and they destroyed many of Air defense coming from behind.
Israelis were jst decades ahead tactically and operationally.
Don't forget, Soviet military advisors were also present in Egypt and syria.
Arabs were unable to train their crews for newer advanced systems as quickly as they inducted it in service.
There is an incident of dogfight b/w Israeli mirage pilots and Soviet Mig 21 pilots during war of attrition.
8:03 Were they shooting a missile at a TR-3B black triangle???????
The SAM 2 is a nightmare for the American B-52 to this day. The Vietnamese have a lot of experience in finding and destroying this type of aircraft.
IIRC the majority of Israeli aircraft shutdown in the Yom Kippur war were the victims of SA-6 Gainful missiles not SA-2 Guidelines.
S-75, shot down 70 B-52s over Vietnam.
It didn’t rule....it was given safe areas to operate. But it was hit or miss! And part of an integrated system...as it needed plenty of warning. But it range was considerable...but required an almost overhead tracking. Deflection shooting is still an issue. So...multiple volleys were necessary. Not to be confused with the more pin point missle’s...rockets....of today. However....they are still considered a modern system...by other countries. Can’t remember the exact percentage that hit...but it wasn’t good. But all there was! And...could do considerable damage!
Nike missle system. That’s a
SAM! Ultra quick!
Now.......several are tour sites. Or abandon. Very cool. Some still on pads! Neat!
Better than got nothing
Indonesia also has the S75 and in the 1960s managed to shoot down the US spy plane
Soviet Union licensed it to China which supplied them to North Vietnam. It caused huge losses of USAF aircraft including shooting down a dozen B-52s over Hanoi during 1973 Operation Linebacker. Unfortunately in Vietnam it only had about a 10% success rate even when fired in pairs for higher kill probability.
This is the Wolochow system, I served on one in the army 😉
Realy I like this powerful missile
The most succcessful ground to air anti-aircraft missile. Ask the Americans and Israelis.
Important system
Please make a video on SAM lll Pechora
AURI proud user of Dvina to defeat the Dutch in Irian Jaya
The first fang song versions were also E band.
The Republic of Cyprus aquired these missiles in the 1960's but because we "believe" that Greece will defend us (which it has never done) we had western pressure and we decided to leave them in Egypt. In 1974 Cyprus was invaded by Turkey but we had no air cover.
Is the SA2 if fired at ground targets capable of causing serious damage or even disabling a Tank?
No
Make a video on S 125
Thanks for your interest. The S-125 is on our list. We will make a video about it as soon as possible.
And S200 and S400
9:34 there were two guidance channels
Binkov made a video a while back. Nothing like knowledge.
In a beauty pageant of SAMs she would stand w/ the Nikes
Indonesia also has this weapon from the old order
That way Knife always exist in soldier weapon.... Weapon is weapon in right condition its usefull....
Откуда ВВС США взял лучших пилотов? Из Голливуда? Как были задротами так ими и остались.
only 16 countries still use it? ONLY? lol
It is still being used and is being upgraded.
Vietnam was upgraded them And still use now
Món này đưa cho người vietnam 🇻🇳 chúng tôi mới hiệu quả
The rocket has 0.75 chans to hit the target. So 75% is not bad accuracy for thet time.
China shot down 5 Taiwanese U-2s in the 1960s using S-75. Serbian forces in Bosnia in 1995 shot down 1 Mirage and 1F-16, using Kub system.
loading the rocket on the ramp in 1.10 min DHS Time..
This is wrong, the radio guidance of the missile does not work how it is described in the video. The missile does not receive the location and vector information of the target from the guidance computers at the site. Those informations are gathered by a radar and after that the guidance computers create signals for missile correction which are then sent to the missile. Radio command guidance, that is how it works.
We need it in persion languages or translation
The ford truck of SAMs
One reason sr72 never when into the USSR even today any western plane would never out run this beast
古いけど使える
Vietnam using very good in 1972
These would've wrecked USAF in Iraq if the operators did not consistently turn the emitter off after launch, sending the missile blind. Correct use could have seen a ten-fold increase in kills.
This video surprise me how far google trans have gone
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Pest control measure over Vietnam sky
You forgot the Serbian S-75 that shot down an F-117
Maybe because it was an S-125 Neva?
S-125
It doesn't matter how old the technology. Zelensky will take them all!
Egyptian use this better than Russian him self shot down many many Isreal fighter jet
Fucking cool.
Still better kill rate than the modern US Patriot .
Patriot can't even hit a barn door.
Patroit is over-engineered so the maker can charge a fortune fot it. But this also made it too complex with many points of failure.
F 117 agree with you
@@franciscody9622 when over engineered becomes a piece of junk. It had shot down more ally aircraft than the enemy's because of the guidance identification failures
The flying telephone pole
The missile was obsolete in the early 70s
This is cheep and good weapon against warplanes!?Too bad doesn t carry IR guided head !?
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